Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 I just have to say that I think it is so sad that Child " protective " services intervene when anything is against the mainstream, but the kid next door can eat 100% processed, cooked, JUNK foods and get sick a lot more and they leave that family alone! It's just not right. Let families do what they want as long as they are not endangering the child! I'm all for protecting children, but I'm just saying that MANY times the state gets involved where they shouldn't and they don't get invovled where they should. I've seen both sides so many times. It's just sad. Cindy Argh!!!!!! What I'm trying to get across is that I DO NOT restrict their calorie intake!!! They eat as much as they want, whenever they want and whatever they want! All I'm saying is that it just doesn't add up as fast as SAD because it is mostly raw fruits and veggies!!!!! Come on, people. I'm sure you mean well, but I've been doing this for a while now! I'm still learning, but I feel *very good* with how things are going right now. In a message dated 4/8/2006 7:32:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tgerman1029 writes: Sorry............but I am a raw foods person with a strong background in child abuse protocol. PLEASE make sure that when they are hungry, so do they get variety enough to provide full nutritional value to their diet. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release 3/24/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 So what is mainstream? Beatings, sexual molestation, domestic violence, alcohol abuse. That's what most intervention is involved in. I don't think that a SAD diet is consided in the same league as child sexual assault. Let's be reasonable. 99 percent of Olympic athletes grew up on cooked food. The fastest man in the world grew up on cooked food. The strongest swimmer in the world grew up on cooked food. Alberta Einstein and Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. grew up on cooked food. Adolf Hitler was a strict vegetarian. Lets be careful who we are painting as the devil. Denise On 4/8/06, pruegert <pruegert wrote: > > I just have to say that I think it is so sad that Child " protective " > services intervene when anything is against the mainstream, but the kid > next > door can eat 100% processed, cooked, JUNK foods and get sick a lot more > and > they leave that family alone! It's just not right. Let families do what > they > want as long as they are not endangering the child! I'm all for protecting > children, but I'm just saying that MANY times the state gets involved > where > they shouldn't and they don't get invovled where they should. I've seen > both > sides so many times. It's just sad. > > Cindy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 No, he was not. He went through short " spells " of vegetarianism. Most of the time, he was a meat-eater. Kristi On Apr 9, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Miss Denise wrote: > Adolf Hitler was a strict vegetarian. > > Lets be careful who we are painting as the devil. > > Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Good grief, NO! I'm talking about " mainstream parenting " , such as making the kids sleep in their own beds as opposed to letting them sleep in your bed when they are young......bottle feeding them as opposed to breastfeeding.......spanking, time-outs, grounding as opposed to child-led learning and self-discipline (where the parents are very involved in their lives, but they let the kids make their own mistakes and face the *natural* consequences). Other anti-mainstream parenting choices would be birthing at home with a midwife or <gasp> unassisted birth as opposed to birthing at the hospital.....not circumsizing, not vaccinating, using cloth diapers (or even elimination communication.....google it), homeschooling, natural health care, etc. This is what I mean when I use the term " mainstream " . Surely you don't think for a minute I (or any sensible person) would think it's okay or even normal to physically, emotionally or sexually abuse kids! And I think that's what the state *thinks* they're getting involved in, but from the cases I've seen here in my state, when it involves removing the child(ren) from the home, it's usually backwards. And I have nothing against cooked food, but isn't this a raw group? And wasn't I the one who was attacked in the first place? All I am doing is defending my choices. Let's get back on topic now. If anyone has anything else hateful to say to me, please email me off list! Cindy rawfood [rawfood ]On Behalf Of Miss Denise Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:37 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Child protective services So what is mainstream? Beatings, sexual molestation, domestic violence, alcohol abuse. That's what most intervention is involved in. I don't think that a SAD diet is consided in the same league as child sexual assault. Let's be reasonable. 99 percent of Olympic athletes grew up on cooked food. The fastest man in the world grew up on cooked food. The strongest swimmer in the world grew up on cooked food. Alberta Einstein and Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. grew up on cooked food. Adolf Hitler was a strict vegetarian. Lets be careful who we are painting as the devil. Denise On 4/8/06, pruegert <pruegert wrote: > > I just have to say that I think it is so sad that Child " protective " > services intervene when anything is against the mainstream, but the kid > next > door can eat 100% processed, cooked, JUNK foods and get sick a lot more > and > they leave that family alone! It's just not right. Let families do what > they > want as long as they are not endangering the child! I'm all for protecting > children, but I'm just saying that MANY times the state gets involved > where > they shouldn't and they don't get invovled where they should. I've seen > both > sides so many times. It's just sad. > > Cindy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 I cant believe some of the things I have read on here tonight. There are parents ACROSS this country from one end to the other that DON'T GIVE A DAMN what they feed their kids, what their kids eat after school, and how often they scarf down burgers and fries at mickey d's. To give this woman a hard time for not only feeding their kids NUTRITIOUS food, and teaching them good eating habits, some of you have the audacity to say she is doing something wrong. I had step kids in my last marriage, and they always choose healthy items over poor cooked, sugar coated, fat laden crap. I let them eat carrots and celery with ranch dip till they were full. They ran around like nuts, my step son was/is a great football player who never had a problem keeping up. My step daughter was into ballet and gymnastics, and never missed a practice and did very well at all her meets and won first place in several events on several occasions. To say this is child abuse in any way is absurd. They were taught from a young age not to eat CRAP. But when we took them to the zoo, or the circus or other child oriented activity, what do all the vender's sell, nothing but SUGAR LADEN, fat doused, and calorie filled junk. And ya know what....THEY DIDN'T WANT IT! I would always have some healthy snacks in my purse and they would ask for them. They were only 9 and 10 at the time, and they by no means felt deprived. They were not too thin, and they were by no means fat and they never went HUNGRY. I spoke to their doctor when we got them their physicals for their sports. And asked him if they were getting everything growing kids needed for healthy teeth and bones etc...and the doctor said they were some of the healthiest kids he had seen come through for their physicals. Most of the kids on my step sons football team, couldn't even fit into the uniforms, they had such fat bellies and thighs and butts from sitting around playing video games. If the lady feeding her children a healthy raw diet doesn't see a problem with her kids, then why do all of you. She is by NO means restricting these kids, I am sure. I am seriously overweight due to having graves disease and 3 years ago the doctors destroyed my thyroid and in the process gained over 100 pounds. I used to feel starved if I didn't eat 2000+ calories a day. Ever since I went raw, I have lost almost 30 pounds (since January) I eat plenty, but I only average about 1200 calories a day, and that's in just 3 months or so. Every week I seem less hungry, but I am getting so much healthier. I was just at the doctor yesterday and my blood pressure, which was high last November 189/102...is now down to 101/84 as of Friday, I NEVER took one blood pressure pill.....my blood pressure came down, because I CLEANED up the way I was eating. I don't eat the bad fat--my cholesterol came down 38 pts so far, and I feel better than I have in years. Feeding her kids healthy is not evil, nor is she depriving them. She is being a damn good mother who cares about her kids and is teaching them to take care of their bodies. As long as they are not HUNGRY, and are growing right on schedule, who are you people to say she is doing something wrong. She sounds like a mother who loves her children and is GIVING THEM A WONDERFUL GIFT, the gift of LIFE. How many of you fed your newborns Twix and Baked chicken?....we start out feeding our babies only the healthiest things available, why should we ever stop???? Ok....I will get off my soap box, I am not personally trying to attack anyone, I welcome all opinions and will listen with interest in anything anyone has to say about any of this, I just hope this stays a two way street of open communication for EVERYONE! Kudos to the GOOD MOMMY....Happy Mothers Day early...! Ok...Peace all! pruegert <pruegert wrote: Good grief, NO! I'm talking about " mainstream parenting " , such as making the kids slee New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Cindy, Just wanted to send you a warm fuzzy with the assurance that you are doing the right thing for your kids. And, I will repeat, it is not necessarily the number of calories we eat that is important to sustain our energy, it is the nutrients that we get from the food we eat. Everyone on here knows that we get more nutrients from raw and that our adult bodies are satisfied and thrive on few calories when we eat a balanced raw diet. So, why would anyone think it would be different for kids. With the problems with childhood obesity and juvenile diabetes that are being experienced in this country I think it is pitiful that you are being challenged for feeding your kids raw which means they are taking in lower amounts of calories, etc. You are to be admired for your dedication to your children. We all know that it would be a lot easier to buy prepackaged food and slap it on the table or drive through McDonald's several times a week and buy a " Happy Meal " . UGH!! Stay with what you know is right and don't waste anymore energy trying to convince those who don't understand the principles of raw foodism. Just let that wonderful energy flow into the food you are making. Namaste, Tammy On Apr 9, 2006, at 1:50 AM, pruegert wrote: > Good grief, NO! I'm talking about " mainstream parenting " , such as > making the > kids sleep in their own beds as opposed to letting them sleep in your > bed > when they are young......bottle feeding them as opposed to > breastfeeding.......spanking, time-outs, grounding as opposed to > child-led > learning and self-discipline (where the parents are very involved in > their > lives, but they let the kids make their own mistakes and face the > *natural* > consequences). Other anti-mainstream parenting choices would be > birthing at > home with a midwife or <gasp> unassisted birth as opposed to birthing > at the > hospital.....not circumsizing, not vaccinating, using cloth diapers > (or even > elimination communication.....google it), homeschooling, natural health > care, etc. This is what I mean when I use the term " mainstream " . > Surely you > don't think for a minute I (or any sensible person) would think it's > okay or > even normal to physically, emotionally or sexually abuse kids! And I > think > that's what the state *thinks* they're getting involved in, but from > the > cases I've seen here in my state, when it involves removing the > child(ren) > from the home, it's usually backwards. > > And I have nothing against cooked food, but isn't this a raw group? > > And wasn't I the one who was attacked in the first place? All I am > doing is > defending my choices. Let's get back on topic now. If anyone has > anything > else hateful to say to me, please email me off list! > > Cindy > > > rawfood [rawfood ]On > Behalf Of > Miss Denise > Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:37 AM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Child protective services > > > So what is mainstream? Beatings, sexual molestation, domestic violence, > alcohol abuse. That's what most intervention is involved in. I don't > think > that a SAD diet is consided in the same league as child sexual assault. > Let's be reasonable. > > 99 percent of Olympic athletes grew up on cooked food. The fastest man > in > the world grew up on cooked food. The strongest swimmer in the world > grew up > on cooked food. Alberta Einstein and Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. grew > up on > cooked food. > > Adolf Hitler was a strict vegetarian. > > Lets be careful who we are painting as the devil. > > Denise > > > On 4/8/06, pruegert <pruegert wrote: >> >> I just have to say that I think it is so sad that Child " protective " >> services intervene when anything is against the mainstream, but the >> kid >> next >> door can eat 100% processed, cooked, JUNK foods and get sick a lot >> more >> and >> they leave that family alone! It's just not right. Let families do >> what >> they >> want as long as they are not endangering the child! I'm all for >> protecting >> children, but I'm just saying that MANY times the state gets involved >> where >> they shouldn't and they don't get invovled where they should. I've >> seen >> both >> sides so many times. It's just sad. >> >> Cindy >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Thank you, Tammy! I really appreciate waking up to *support* this morning. It's good to know that there are some people who do understand! Cindy, Just wanted to send you a warm fuzzy with the assurance that you are doing the right thing for your kids. And, I will repeat, it is not necessarily the number of calories we eat that is important to sustain our energy, it is the nutrients that we get from the food we eat. Everyone on here knows that we get more nutrients from raw and that our adult bodies are satisfied and thrive on few calories when we eat a balanced raw diet. So, why would anyone think it would be different for kids. With the problems with childhood obesity and juvenile diabetes that are being experienced in this country I think it is pitiful that you are being challenged for feeding your kids raw which means they are taking in lower amounts of calories, etc. You are to be admired for your dedication to your children. We all know that it would be a lot easier to buy prepackaged food and slap it on the table or drive through McDonald's several times a week and buy a " Happy Meal " . UGH!! Stay with what you know is right and don't waste anymore energy trying to convince those who don't understand the principles of raw foodism. Just let that wonderful energy flow into the food you are making. Namaste, Tammy -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release 3/24/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Cindy, Good morning. I have been following the thread since your first post about calorie restriction and think that your comment and questions were completely miss understood and then lost in the discussion. I understood what you meant about eating less total calories since going raw, and it completely makes sense that the same would apply to children. My 11 year old has always preferred fruits and veggies over cooked food, even before I was eating raw. He is a VERY active person and in great health. Most of our relatives comment about how amazing it is that he is rarely sick........ The body knows what is right, and I believe children do too. I echo the comments of paddlerwoman about children who eat healthy choose fruits or veggies over sodas, cakes, and chips. We have certain family members who feel the over whelming need to offer my son candy bars, as if they think I don't allow them.... the disappointment on their faces is so funny when he says no thank you, or asks for peppers instead. (he loves raw sliced red, yellow, or orange bell peppers.) I am sorry that the tread turned to a discussion on child protective services.... Enjoy your Sunday! Leah New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 I'm a mother of two children. The boy is 23 and the girl 21. They were both raised vegan and have NEVER had an antibiotic either. When they were about 4 & 6 a woman threatened to call CPS because we didn't feed them meat. I don't know if she called and was not taken seriously, but I never heard from CPS. In her defense, however, she was from Greece, married to a man in the same business as we. Fortunately we never saw them again, but I've often wondered what would have happened in that circumstance. Here is an article about a raw family in Florida who lost custody of their children. However, you must know the baby died. It's up to you to draw your own conclusions as to what happened....... http://www.brindlestyle.com/raw%20food.htm Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Cindy - I forgot to say in my last post, I do support you as well. Children are much more intuitive than adults when it comes to a lot of things and food is one. The kids naturopath told me once there are only three things a child can control: 1. potty training; 2. thumb sucking; 3. eating. There is no way on this earth we can get them to do or not do any one of those three. They are the ones in charge of those activities and they will do what they please, when they please in those areas and we need to respect that. My two kids ran cross country and played soccer, the boy wrestled and the girl was a manager and they both raw long distance during spring track. They were 80 - 90% raw and always vegan. They kept up with all the other kids and the boy excelled to the state level of competition. The girl just turned out for the social aspect! However, at a cross country camp my son was devestated to hear his favorite coach from an Oregon college tell him he would never recruit a vegetarian! Jacques never ran for a college. It was a crime on the coaches part to say that, IMO. All in all I think my husband and I have raised some pretty healthy kids, physically, mentally and emotionally. My father died at 66 of colon cancer (meat, meat & more meat man). My mother died of liver failure at 72 (dr. told her to stop eating meat and drinking milk - she didn't - she died). The kids knew this and have chosen to stay at least, vegetarian. They are both living at home, again, so they really have no choice. But both have said it's nice to be able to eat unlimited fruit and have a salad any time. So, given the choice, even adult children will gravitate to the " good " stuff! Rainy Sunday, so I guess I'll do some experimenting in the kitchen! Later - Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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