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I've been warned not to over do it on fruit consumption. Well, how do

I know when it's enough, or too much??? My kids would eat fruit all

day. How do I know when to stop them?? What would be the guidelines on

this?? Thanks so much!

 

Micele in So CA

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Hi Micele,

 

Warned by whom and what reasons did they give you?? It is very unfortunate

that part of the raw movement has turned against and become afraid of the

very food that we are meant to eat: fruit! They are very, very mistaken.

Don't be afraid to eat fruit. Eat as much as you want and encourage your

children to eat as much as they want. Nothing could be better for them or

for you.

 

All the best,

 

Audrey

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>[Raw Food] How much fruit is too much???

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>I've been warned not to over do it on fruit consumption. Well, how do

>I know when it's enough, or too much??? My kids would eat fruit all

>day. How do I know when to stop them?? What would be the guidelines on

>this?? Thanks so much!

>

>Micele in So CA

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If you read any of the articles on www.rawschool.com you will find there is no

such thing as " too much fruit " . I have lived on nothing but watermelon for

weeks at a time. I have eaten only mangos all day long. Yesterday all I ate

was blackberries I picked off the bush and a number of bananas. Is that too

much? I think not, it's what I wanted to feel energized and wonderful in the

sunshine and for a nice long swim in the salt water of Hood Canal, Washington.

 

Shari

 

 

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" SV " <shavig wrote:

> If you read any of the articles on www.rawschool.com you will find

there is no such thing as " too much fruit " .

>

 

That is still such a hard one to get over. Most people I know agree

that you certainly can have too much fruit. But of course, this is

always from people that just believe it, without doing any research!

Too funny!

 

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It was explained on a cd by Dr. Doug Graham, raw 25+ years, he said look at your

hand. It's designed to hold fruit, it's not designed to dig up vegetables or

track down and kill an animal. Plus we stand upright to reach up and pluck the

fruit.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Shari

 

 

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I'm sorry Shari but do you really believe that??? How can he possibly say

something like that, " ...the hand is designed to hold fruit and not dig up

vegetables " !!!!!!! That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. Why

couldn't we dig with our hands, what are the limitations? We have opposable

thumbs that allow us to do a myriad of things including digging up a potato or,

in modern times, hold a shovel. Not only do we stand upright to pluck fruit but

we also have knees, hips, pelvis and a flexible low back to squat down and

pickup strawberries and dig up corn from the earth.

 

I'm mostly raw like everyone here but this blind believing in everything Graham,

et al. say and write really confuses the hell out of me. Have we all lost our

minds and lost the ability to think for ourselves? The thing that cracks me is

that you never hear/read about a raw foodie that has been 100% raw for a long

time and not have any problems. Note that I said 100%. I'm also not advocating

eating meat, or cooking or anything whatsoever, it's just that raw foodists

adhere to a dogma and listen to what these quacks say without listening to the

absolute, most authoritative figure, bar none, on what is the perfect diet for

us...our own body!! Some people can do fine a properly balanced raw diet

whereas others (e.g. an elite endurance athlete) may suffer horribly. Now

before anyone gets upset and starts to name drop famous athletes that are raw

and doing fine, remember I'm talking about the majority of people. Sometimes we

become enamored with the ideal of eating raw

that we totally disregard what is really important, our health.

 

(Shari, I'm not picking on you it's just that this email provided the right

opportunity for a long needed diatribe)

 

SV <shavig wrote: It was explained

on a cd by Dr. Doug Graham, raw 25+ years, he said look at your hand. It's

designed to hold fruit, it's not designed to dig up vegetables or track down and

kill an animal. Plus we stand upright to reach up and pluck the fruit.

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Shari

 

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Sorry you feel that way Todd and sorry you are in such a quandry that you need a

diatribe to feel better.

 

Have you looked at www.rawschool.com at all? I keep going back to that because

I believe in Natural Hygiene and I believe I can live happy, joyous, and free

with only fruit and greens. Don't forget an avocado is a fruit, tomato, there

are things out there we have been raised to think of as vegetables, when in fact

they are fruit.

 

I feel best when I eat fruit and greens only. And I will continue to defend it.

If that bothers you and you think it's a load of crap, then I will take my

leave. This isn't my list so I could really care less what sort of

misinformation you would like to spread in your snit.

 

Shari

and this message was meant for you, Todd

 

 

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I don't see why people have to be so aggressive to

each other about this. We're all different people,

from different ancestors who've lead different lives

and have different needs. That's something to be

celebrated.

 

I agree with that it's dangerous to accept

anyone's recommendations blindly, and much better to

do what feels best for you. And if fruit and greens

only suits Shari best, that's wonderful! And it

doesn't necessarily follow that solely eating fruit

and greens will be good for everyone else.

 

Something that is frequently overlooked when people

say we are designed to be vegans, is the number of

insects we would natually injest if we just ate fruit

and vegetables in the wild. This small addition to the

diet provides B12 and other 'animal' nutrients.

 

Some people will miss these more than others

(depending on their body chemistry), but few of us

will want to eat raw bugs to fill the void! So some

of us will need to try other things to replace them -

small amounts of animal products (i.e. raw dairy or

fish), or supplements (esp. B12), or superfoods, etc.

 

It's wonderful if the diet that you choose ethically

also suits you perfectly physiologically. If it

doesn't though and you suffer constant cravings or

ill-health, that doesn't mean there's something wrong

with you. It's much better to find perfect health

than try to force yourself to fit into someone else's

perfect diet or the diet you believe you should eat.

 

Anyway, we're all united by our quest to find our

ideal diet despite the problems we face in modern

society in doing so, let's not allow minor differences

in opinion to divide us.

 

Just my 2c!

 

 

--- SV <shavig wrote:

 

> Sorry you feel that way Todd and sorry you are in

> such a quandry that you need a diatribe to feel

> better.

>

> Have you looked at www.rawschool.com at all? I keep

> going back to that because I believe in Natural

> Hygiene and I believe I can live happy, joyous, and

> free with only fruit and greens. Don't forget an

> avocado is a fruit, tomato, there are things out

> there we have been raised to think of as vegetables,

> when in fact they are fruit.

>

> I feel best when I eat fruit and greens only. And I

> will continue to defend it. If that bothers you and

> you think it's a load of crap, then I will take my

> leave. This isn't my list so I could really care

> less what sort of misinformation you would like to

> spread in your snit.

>

> Shari

> and this message was meant for you, Todd

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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I am not a disciple of Doug Graham or any other raw guru. I do,

however, believe that the statement which Shari quoted is essentially

correct. If you look at animals which eat root vegetables, you will

find that they have claws for digging which we do not. They are also

able to smell them through the dirt which we cannot. It doesn't mean

that we can't dig these up and eat them. It is just a strong indicator

that they are not a natural source of food for us.

 

-Mike

 

--- Todd German <tgerman1029 wrote:

 

> I'm sorry Shari but do you really believe that??? How can he

> possibly say something like that, " ...the hand is designed to hold

> fruit and not dig up vegetables " !!!!!!! That's the biggest load of

> crap I've ever heard. Why couldn't we dig with our hands, what are

> the limitations? We have opposable thumbs that allow us to do a

> myriad of things including digging up a potato or, in modern times,

> hold a shovel. Not only do we stand upright to pluck fruit but we

> also have knees, hips, pelvis and a flexible low back to squat down

> and pickup strawberries and dig up corn from the earth.

>

> I'm mostly raw like everyone here but this blind believing in

> everything Graham, et al. say and write really confuses the hell out

> of me. Have we all lost our minds and lost the ability to think for

> ourselves? The thing that cracks me is that you never hear/read

> about a raw foodie that has been 100% raw for a long time and not

> have any problems. Note that I said 100%. I'm also not advocating

> eating meat, or cooking or anything whatsoever, it's just that raw

> foodists adhere to a dogma and listen to what these quacks say

> without listening to the absolute, most authoritative figure, bar

> none, on what is the perfect diet for us...our own body!! Some

> people can do fine a properly balanced raw diet whereas others (e.g.

> an elite endurance athlete) may suffer horribly. Now before anyone

> gets upset and starts to name drop famous athletes that are raw and

> doing fine, remember I'm talking about the majority of people.

> Sometimes we become enamored with the ideal of eating raw

> that we totally disregard what is really important, our health.

>

 

>

> (Shari, I'm not picking on you it's just that this email provided the

> right opportunity for a long needed diatribe)

>

> SV <shavig wrote: It

> was explained on a cd by Dr. Doug Graham, raw 25+ years, he said look

> at your hand. It's designed to hold fruit, it's not designed to dig

> up vegetables or track down and kill an animal. Plus we stand

> upright to reach up and pluck the fruit.

>

> Makes sense to me.

>

> Shari

>

>

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Here's more misinformation about b12. And I ask again, has anyone dared go to

www.rawschool.com and read up on b12?

 

If we are searching for answers why is there such closed mindedness on this

list? I am on every raw list I can find and this one takes the cake for not

wanting to seek new answers to old questions. Or old answers to new questions.

 

So do you want to be raw or sort of raw some of the time? Victoria Boutenko

says the difference between 99% and 100% is a 1000% better. And I can attest to

this. I was 80 - 90% for many years and after going 100% there is a very

noticable difference.

 

Shari

 

 

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Mike,

 

Sorry to disagree with you but you are forgetting one thing...we're not animals

but humans with millions of years of evolution that has allowed us to adapt to

eating an omnivorous diet, that includes digging up root vegetables and tubers.

If claws and astute sense of smell are a determinant then explain a koala who

sits in a tree all day eating leaves, or a tiger with some pretty impressive

claws and a wicked sense of smell eats nothing but meat. What I am saying is

that I do not think we can compare ourselves to animals, they are not of our

species, Homo Sapien, had Neaderthal Man survived then we would have something

to compare against. We are unique in the world. The closest could be

chimpanzees and they eat meat!

 

Shari,

 

What kind of misinformation am I spreading?

 

If I sound like I'm being aggressive I apologize, it's not my intention at all.

 

Mike Elliot <mmelliot wrote:

 

 

I am not a disciple of Doug Graham or any other raw guru. I do,

however, believe that the statement which Shari quoted is essentially

correct. If you look at animals which eat root vegetables, you will

find that they have claws for digging which we do not. They are also

able to smell them through the dirt which we cannot. It doesn't mean

that we can't dig these up and eat them. It is just a strong indicator

that they are not a natural source of food for us.

 

-Mike

 

--- Todd German <tgerman1029 wrote:

 

> I'm sorry Shari but do you really believe that??? How can he

> possibly say something like that, " ...the hand is designed to hold

> fruit and not dig up vegetables " !!!!!!! That's the biggest load of

> crap I've ever heard. Why couldn't we dig with our hands, what are

> the limitations? We have opposable thumbs that allow us to do a

> myriad of things including digging up a potato or, in modern times,

> hold a shovel. Not only do we stand upright to pluck fruit but we

> also have knees, hips, pelvis and a flexible low back to squat down

> and pickup strawberries and dig up corn from the earth.

>

> I'm mostly raw like everyone here but this blind believing in

> everything Graham, et al. say and write really confuses the hell out

> of me. Have we all lost our minds and lost the ability to think for

> ourselves? The thing that cracks me is that you never hear/read

> about a raw foodie that has been 100% raw for a long time and not

> have any problems. Note that I said 100%. I'm also not advocating

> eating meat, or cooking or anything whatsoever, it's just that raw

> foodists adhere to a dogma and listen to what these quacks say

> without listening to the absolute, most authoritative figure, bar

> none, on what is the perfect diet for us...our own body!! Some

> people can do fine a properly balanced raw diet whereas others (e.g.

> an elite endurance athlete) may suffer horribly. Now before anyone

> gets upset and starts to name drop famous athletes that are raw and

> doing fine, remember I'm talking about the majority of people.

> Sometimes we become enamored with the ideal of eating raw

> that we totally disregard what is really important, our health.

>

>

> (Shari, I'm not picking on you it's just that this email provided the

> right opportunity for a long needed diatribe)

>

> SV <shavig wrote: It

> was explained on a cd by Dr. Doug Graham, raw 25+ years, he said look

> at your hand. It's designed to hold fruit, it's not designed to dig

> up vegetables or track down and kill an animal. Plus we stand

> upright to reach up and pluck the fruit.

>

> Makes sense to me.

>

> Shari

>

>

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Shari,

 

Yes, I have been to rawschool.com many, many times and I am well versed on B12,

plus I visit many raw sites as well.

 

I have been 70%, 80%, 90% and 100% raw at various times, and currently I am

around 90%, I know what works for me. I am most defiantely NOT closed minded

about anything as I do a ton of research from VARIOUS (not just one or two)

sources and experiment with what works for MY body. I never tell anyone what to

eat and not to eat unless they ask me for suggestions. What works for me does

not necessarily work someone else. The thing that I suggest is to do your

homework and don't adhere to a dogma because someone says that this is the only

way. Have you ever wondered how there are people who are in superb health and

are not raw? According to some authors out there this could not be possible.

It's because they stick to whole foods (and not even necessarily organic), stay

away from junk food, GET PLENTY OF EXERCISE and try to limit stress in their

lives. Is it not possible to be the epitome of health and fitness without being

100% raw? And back to the original post about

being built to pick fruit and not dig vegetables, using your own mind, do you

honestly believe this to be true?

 

SV <shavig wrote: Here's more

misinformation about b12. And I ask again, has anyone dared go to

www.rawschool.com and read up on b12?

 

If we are searching for answers why is there such closed mindedness on this

list? I am on every raw list I can find and this one takes the cake for not

wanting to seek new answers to old questions. Or old answers to new questions.

 

So do you want to be raw or sort of raw some of the time? Victoria Boutenko

says the difference between 99% and 100% is a 1000% better. And I can attest to

this. I was 80 - 90% for many years and after going 100% there is a very

noticable difference.

 

Shari

 

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While we are not primarily flesh eaters, if you look at our nearest

cousins, you will see that most primates get 5 to 10% of their calories

from animal products (mainly in the form of insects and scavenged

flesh).

 

However, knowing that I do not needs these things in my diet, I have

made the conscious choice of not consuming them. As with most thing in

life, there is always a choice...

 

-Mike

 

--- SV <shavig wrote:

 

> Thanks Mike. And to add to that, we are not made to chase and take

> down prey after which we rip the flesh from the bones and eat raw.

>

> Shari

>

>

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Shari,

 

While we are all on the same journey, we are all on different parts of

the path. Judging others for their personal choices, is seldom useful.

Also, it is my belief, that for every " expert " with " proof " that

someone can come up with, another " expert " with " proof " of the opposite

can be found.

 

For myself, I take a look at what is out there, see what makes the most

sense to me at that moment and move on. I may not always make the

optimal choice and that is ok with me.

 

-Mike

 

--- SV <shavig wrote:

 

> Here's more misinformation about b12. And I ask again, has anyone

> dared go to www.rawschool.com and read up on b12?

>

> If we are searching for answers why is there such closed mindedness

> on this list? I am on every raw list I can find and this one takes

> the cake for not wanting to seek new answers to old questions. Or

> old answers to new questions.

>

> So do you want to be raw or sort of raw some of the time? Victoria

> Boutenko says the difference between 99% and 100% is a 1000% better.

> And I can attest to this. I was 80 - 90% for many years and after

> going 100% there is a very noticable difference.

>

> Shari

>

>

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Hi

 

I would hope you could be nicer to your fellow human beings. We are

here to learn. What Shari brings up is logical, and what you bring

up is *also* logical. But, it leaves a pit in my stomach to see how

you deliver this information to the masses. And that pit is not a

fruit pit, but a pit of disappointment. Please, be nice.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Todd German <tgerman1029 wrote:

>

> I'm sorry Shari but do you really believe that??? How can he

possibly say something like that, " ...the hand is designed to hold

fruit and not dig up vegetables " !!!!!!! That's the biggest load of

crap I've ever heard. Why couldn't we dig with our hands, what are

the limitations? We have opposable thumbs that allow us to do a

myriad of things including digging up a potato or, in modern times,

hold a shovel. Not only do we stand upright to pluck fruit but we

also have knees, hips, pelvis and a flexible low back to squat down

and pickup strawberries and dig up corn from the earth.

>

> I'm mostly raw like everyone here but this blind believing in

everything Graham, et al. say and write really confuses the hell out

of me. Have we all lost our minds and lost the ability to think for

ourselves? The thing that cracks me is that you never hear/read

about a raw foodie that has been 100% raw for a long time and not

have any problems. Note that I said 100%. I'm also not advocating

eating meat, or cooking or anything whatsoever, it's just that raw

foodists adhere to a dogma and listen to what these quacks say

without listening to the absolute, most authoritative figure, bar

none, on what is the perfect diet for us...our own body!! Some

people can do fine a properly balanced raw diet whereas others (e.g.

an elite endurance athlete) may suffer horribly. Now before anyone

gets upset and starts to name drop famous athletes that are raw and

doing fine, remember I'm talking about the majority of people.

Sometimes we become enamored with the ideal of eating raw

> that we totally disregard what is really important, our health.

>

 

>

> (Shari, I'm not picking on you it's just that this email provided

the right opportunity for a long needed diatribe)

>

> SV <shavig wrote: It was

explained on a cd by Dr. Doug Graham, raw 25+ years, he said look at

your hand. It's designed to hold fruit, it's not designed to dig up

vegetables or track down and kill an animal. Plus we stand upright

to reach up and pluck the fruit.

>

> Makes sense to me.

>

> Shari

>

>

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Janet,

 

I apologize if I came across harsh, I truly didn't mean to at all, sometimes the

written word betrays your emotions. Sorry if I offended anyone with my tone.

 

Janet FitzGerald <planetwax wrote:

Hi

 

I would hope you could be nicer to your fellow human beings. We are

here to learn. What Shari brings up is logical, and what you bring

up is *also* logical. But, it leaves a pit in my stomach to see how

you deliver this information to the masses. And that pit is not a

fruit pit, but a pit of disappointment. Please, be nice.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , Todd German <tgerman1029 wrote:

>

> I'm sorry Shari but do you really believe that??? How can he

possibly say something like that, " ...the hand is designed to hold

fruit and not dig up vegetables " !!!!!!! That's the biggest load of

crap I've ever heard. Why couldn't we dig with our hands, what are

the limitations? We have opposable thumbs that allow us to do a

myriad of things including digging up a potato or, in modern times,

hold a shovel. Not only do we stand upright to pluck fruit but we

also have knees, hips, pelvis and a flexible low back to squat down

and pickup strawberries and dig up corn from the earth.

>

> I'm mostly raw like everyone here but this blind believing in

everything Graham, et al. say and write really confuses the hell out

of me. Have we all lost our minds and lost the ability to think for

ourselves? The thing that cracks me is that you never hear/read

about a raw foodie that has been 100% raw for a long time and not

have any problems. Note that I said 100%. I'm also not advocating

eating meat, or cooking or anything whatsoever, it's just that raw

foodists adhere to a dogma and listen to what these quacks say

without listening to the absolute, most authoritative figure, bar

none, on what is the perfect diet for us...our own body!! Some

people can do fine a properly balanced raw diet whereas others (e.g.

an elite endurance athlete) may suffer horribly. Now before anyone

gets upset and starts to name drop famous athletes that are raw and

doing fine, remember I'm talking about the majority of people.

Sometimes we become enamored with the ideal of eating raw

> that we totally disregard what is really important, our health.

>

>

> (Shari, I'm not picking on you it's just that this email provided

the right opportunity for a long needed diatribe)

>

> SV <shavig wrote: It was

explained on a cd by Dr. Doug Graham, raw 25+ years, he said look at

your hand. It's designed to hold fruit, it's not designed to dig up

vegetables or track down and kill an animal. Plus we stand upright

to reach up and pluck the fruit.

>

> Makes sense to me.

>

> Shari

>

>

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I completely agree with this.

 

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, particularly Shari. I

have no intention of forcing my opinions on B12 or

anything else on others. I have researched a great

deal, including at the rawschool website, and I was

just putting forward my opinion based on this, not

trying to spread misinformation.

 

There's so much to learn in this 'new' way of eating,

and I find the collective wisdom of the group very

helpful. We may not agree on everything, but it's good

to be stimulated by different views!

 

 

--- Mike Elliot <mmelliot wrote:

 

> Shari,

>

> While we are all on the same journey, we are all on

> different parts of

> the path. Judging others for their personal choices,

> is seldom useful.

> Also, it is my belief, that for every " expert " with

> " proof " that

> someone can come up with, another " expert " with

> " proof " of the opposite

> can be found.

>

> For myself, I take a look at what is out there, see

> what makes the most

> sense to me at that moment and move on. I may not

> always make the

> optimal choice and that is ok with me.

>

> -Mike

>

> --- SV <shavig wrote:

>

> > Here's more misinformation about b12. And I ask

> again, has anyone

> > dared go to www.rawschool.com and read up on b12?

> >

> > If we are searching for answers why is there such

> closed mindedness

> > on this list? I am on every raw list I can find

> and this one takes

> > the cake for not wanting to seek new answers to

> old questions. Or

> > old answers to new questions.

> >

> > So do you want to be raw or sort of raw some of

> the time? Victoria

> > Boutenko says the difference between 99% and 100%

> is a 1000% better.

> > And I can attest to this. I was 80 - 90% for many

> years and after

> > going 100% there is a very noticable difference.

> >

> > Shari

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Ok. I respect your opinion.

 

SV <shavig wrote: " being built to

pick fruit and not dig vegetables, using your own mind, do you honestly believe

this to be true? "

 

Yes.

 

Shari

 

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I never said humans couldn't eat that stuff. I was merely pointing out

that is not that type of food we would naturally gravitate toward. As

for the millions of years of evolution, it is my understanding that

evolution is not the slow gradual change, but big jumps as a species

suddenly experiences a big change in its environment and suddenly needs

to adapt in order to survive.

 

-Mike

 

--- Todd German <tgerman1029 wrote:

 

> Mike,

>

> Sorry to disagree with you but you are forgetting one thing...we're

> not animals but humans with millions of years of evolution that has

> allowed us to adapt to eating an omnivorous diet, that includes

> digging up root vegetables and tubers. If claws and astute sense of

> smell are a determinant then explain a koala who sits in a tree all

> day eating leaves, or a tiger with some pretty impressive claws and a

> wicked sense of smell eats nothing but meat. What I am saying is

> that I do not think we can compare ourselves to animals, they are not

> of our species, Homo Sapien, had Neaderthal Man survived then we

> would have something to compare against. We are unique in the world.

> The closest could be chimpanzees and they eat meat!

>

> Shari,

>

> What kind of misinformation am I spreading?

>

> If I sound like I'm being aggressive I apologize, it's not my

> intention at all.

>

 

>

> Mike Elliot <mmelliot wrote:

>

>

> I am not a disciple of Doug Graham or any other raw guru. I do,

> however, believe that the statement which Shari quoted is

> essentially

> correct. If you look at animals which eat root vegetables, you will

> find that they have claws for digging which we do not. They are also

> able to smell them through the dirt which we cannot. It doesn't mean

> that we can't dig these up and eat them. It is just a strong

> indicator

> that they are not a natural source of food for us.

>

> -Mike

>

> --- Todd German <tgerman1029 wrote:

>

> > I'm sorry Shari but do you really believe that??? How can he

> > possibly say something like that, " ...the hand is designed to hold

> > fruit and not dig up vegetables " !!!!!!! That's the biggest load

> of

> > crap I've ever heard. Why couldn't we dig with our hands, what

> are

> > the limitations? We have opposable thumbs that allow us to do a

> > myriad of things including digging up a potato or, in modern

> times,

> > hold a shovel. Not only do we stand upright to pluck fruit but we

> > also have knees, hips, pelvis and a flexible low back to squat

> down

> > and pickup strawberries and dig up corn from the earth.

> >

> > I'm mostly raw like everyone here but this blind believing in

> > everything Graham, et al. say and write really confuses the hell

> out

> > of me. Have we all lost our minds and lost the ability to think

> for

> > ourselves? The thing that cracks me is that you never hear/read

> > about a raw foodie that has been 100% raw for a long time and not

> > have any problems. Note that I said 100%. I'm also not

> advocating

> > eating meat, or cooking or anything whatsoever, it's just that raw

> > foodists adhere to a dogma and listen to what these quacks say

> > without listening to the absolute, most authoritative figure, bar

> > none, on what is the perfect diet for us...our own body!! Some

> > people can do fine a properly balanced raw diet whereas others

> (e.g.

> > an elite endurance athlete) may suffer horribly. Now before

> anyone

> > gets upset and starts to name drop famous athletes that are raw

> and

> > doing fine, remember I'm talking about the majority of people.

> > Sometimes we become enamored with the ideal of eating raw

> > that we totally disregard what is really important, our health.

> >

>

> >

> > (Shari, I'm not picking on you it's just that this email provided

> the

> > right opportunity for a long needed diatribe)

> >

> > SV <shavig wrote: It

> > was explained on a cd by Dr. Doug Graham, raw 25+ years, he said

> look

> > at your hand. It's designed to hold fruit, it's not designed to

> dig

> > up vegetables or track down and kill an animal. Plus we stand

> > upright to reach up and pluck the fruit.

> >

> > Makes sense to me.

> >

> > Shari

> >

> >

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I read you as a bit harsh, too... but, you're so right that the

written word leaves out expression, intonation, etc., and so we are often

left with simply the cold words in black-and-white and they are often quite

harsh in comparison to the way we meant them to be.

 

That said, I was thinking about this discussion and one thing that came to

mind is that even *if *our ancestors ate the perfect raw diet -- i.e. they

ate only perfect, organic veggies and fruits (whether they dug them up, as

bush people in Africa still do, living as they have for thousands of years)

or plucked them from trees; they lived in a tropical climate allowing for

access to food all year; they ate only the bacteria that was beneficial to

them (unlikely, but bear with me); they never ingested chemicals in the

forms of artificial additives; they drank only the purest water (also

unlikely, because animals used it to, but -again- bear with me - and, yes...

obviously much more pure than today by any measure)... even with all of

this, they still only lived to the ripe old age of 30-something.

 

As a species, we have adapted and changed into a far different animal... for

many and various reasons -- some good and some not so good, but certainly

useful or none of us would be here today.

 

While I think raw, whole, organic foods are the best we can possibly do in

terms of food... in today's age of soil depletion, careful hygiene, and

petroleum-based chemicals in our air, food and water, it's not a wonder we

aren't all living to be 150, right? I certainly don't live in a perfect

environment, as much as I wish I did.

 

I think there are many things we must consider... nothing is ever as black

and white as it seems on the surface.

 

 

 

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Hey Suzy,

 

I couldn't agree with you more, I imagine that we could live much longer if we

lived in a Utopian bubble but, unfortunately, this isn't the case. I read a few

articles stating that, with the exception of emergency rescue medicine and

pharmaceuticals (let's not even get into the conversation of drugs, I'm sure we

all agree on it), we are living to the same age, even a few years younger, than

we did 125 years ago. Despite our best diets we're not doing much better and in

a lot of cases worse.

 

Suzy <sgsikora wrote: I read

you as a bit harsh, too... but, you're so right that the

written word leaves out expression, intonation, etc., and so we are often

left with simply the cold words in black-and-white and they are often quite

harsh in comparison to the way we meant them to be.

 

That said, I was thinking about this discussion and one thing that came to

mind is that even *if *our ancestors ate the perfect raw diet -- i.e. they

ate only perfect, organic veggies and fruits (whether they dug them up, as

bush people in Africa still do, living as they have for thousands of years)

or plucked them from trees; they lived in a tropical climate allowing for

access to food all year; they ate only the bacteria that was beneficial to

them (unlikely, but bear with me); they never ingested chemicals in the

forms of artificial additives; they drank only the purest water (also

unlikely, because animals used it to, but -again- bear with me - and, yes...

obviously much more pure than today by any measure)... even with all of

this, they still only lived to the ripe old age of 30-something.

 

As a species, we have adapted and changed into a far different animal... for

many and various reasons -- some good and some not so good, but certainly

useful or none of us would be here today.

 

While I think raw, whole, organic foods are the best we can possibly do in

terms of food... in today's age of soil depletion, careful hygiene, and

petroleum-based chemicals in our air, food and water, it's not a wonder we

aren't all living to be 150, right? I certainly don't live in a perfect

environment, as much as I wish I did.

 

I think there are many things we must consider... nothing is ever as black

and white as it seems on the surface.

 

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Please know that these words, " I'm sorry Shari but do you really

believe that??? How can he possibly say something like that, " ...the

hand is designed to hold fruit and not dig up vegetables " !!!!!!!

That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. " , will never be

construed as polite, in my book. Apology accepted. However, I might

feel differently had those same words been directed toward me.

 

Let us remember why we are here and give the listowner no reasons to

moderate messages.

 

Janet

 

 

rawfood , Todd German <tgerman1029 wrote:

>

> Janet,

>

> I apologize if I came across harsh, I truly didn't mean to at all,

sometimes the written word betrays your emotions. Sorry if I

offended anyone with my tone.

>

 

>

> Janet FitzGerald <planetwax

wrote: Hi

>

> I would hope you could be nicer to your fellow human beings. We

are

> here to learn. What Shari brings up is logical, and what you

bring

> up is *also* logical. But, it leaves a pit in my stomach to see

how

> you deliver this information to the masses. And that pit is not a

> fruit pit, but a pit of disappointment. Please, be nice.

>

> Janet

>

> rawfood , Todd German <tgerman1029@> wrote:

> >

> > I'm sorry Shari but do you really believe that??? How can he

> possibly say something like that, " ...the hand is designed to hold

> fruit and not dig up vegetables " !!!!!!! That's the biggest load

of

> crap I've ever heard. Why couldn't we dig with our hands, what

are

> the limitations? We have opposable thumbs that allow us to do a

> myriad of things including digging up a potato or, in modern

times,

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There are some old texts that say " man " has lived for hundreds of

years. I believe that to be true. Of course it was thousands of

years ago.

 

Louise

 

rawfood , Suzy <sgsikora wrote:

>

> I read you as a bit harsh, too... but, you're so right that

the

> written word leaves out expression, intonation, etc., and so we are

often

> left with simply the cold words in black-and-white and they are

often quite

> harsh in comparison to the way we meant them to be.

>

> That said, I was thinking about this discussion and one thing that

came to

> mind is that even *if *our ancestors ate the perfect raw diet --

i.e. they

> ate only perfect, organic veggies and fruits (whether they dug them

up, as

> bush people in Africa still do, living as they have for thousands

of years)

> or plucked them from trees; they lived in a tropical climate

allowing for

> access to food all year; they ate only the bacteria that was

beneficial to

> them (unlikely, but bear with me); they never ingested chemicals in

the

> forms of artificial additives; they drank only the purest water

(also

> unlikely, because animals used it to, but -again- bear with me -

and, yes...

> obviously much more pure than today by any measure)... even with

all of

> this, they still only lived to the ripe old age of 30-something.

>

> As a species, we have adapted and changed into a far different

animal... for

> many and various reasons -- some good and some not so good, but

certainly

> useful or none of us would be here today.

>

> While I think raw, whole, organic foods are the best we can

possibly do in

> terms of food... in today's age of soil depletion, careful hygiene,

and

> petroleum-based chemicals in our air, food and water, it's not a

wonder we

> aren't all living to be 150, right? I certainly don't live in a

perfect

> environment, as much as I wish I did.

>

> I think there are many things we must consider... nothing is ever

as black

> and white as it seems on the surface.

>

>

>

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