Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 *********************************************************** Tom Spontelli Instructor Ann Wigmore Natural Health Institute Aguada PR 00602 USA www.AnnWigmore.org Two week Living Foods Lifestyle Certification Program on tropical beach at one of the world's most respected Lifing Foods Institutes. *********************************************************** One of my students informs me that selling trays of wheatgrass or trays of sunflower greens for human consumption is illegal in Texas, because the trays contain soil and the soil may have bacteria. Also that some forms of untreated sprouts are illegal to sell for similar concerns about bacteria. If they were being sold to be cooked, its okay. The state authorities are taking a very hard stance against raw untreated produce. It seems completely bizarre to me that selling plants with soil to be eaten is illegal just because the plants are sold to be eaten raw. How about if we put a label that said, " Don't eat the dirt. " ? Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know of the status of this attack on raw foods in Texas? 2. Why is Texas so weird? I thought that they were supposed to be a bunch of gun-toting libertarians. Why won't they let raw foodist buy and sell trays of sunflower greens amongst themselves? I don't get this world sometimes. *********************************************************** Tom Spontelli Instructor Ann Wigmore Natural Health Institute Aguada PR 00602 USA www.AnnWigmore.org Two week Living Foods Lifestyle Certification Program on tropical beach at one of the world's most respected Lifing Foods Institutes. *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Tom, You've got to put this in context. Texas is the epicenter of the meat-eating true believers. This is the state that has laws against badmouthing beef. They're the ones who filed suit against Oprah and others for talking about mad cow disease on TV. You ought to read Mad Cowboy by Howard Lyman. He was one of the defendants in the case. He went from growing up on a ranch, to owning a feedlot to becoming the president of the International Vegetarian Union. Funny, but true. Mary Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 In response to: " Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know of the status of this attack on raw foods in Texas? 2. Why is Texas so weird? I thought that they were supposed to be a bunch of gun-toting libertarians. Why won't they let raw foodist buy and sell trays of sunflower greens amongst themselves? I don't get this world sometimes. " Ummmm...Texas = cows and oil, therefore also a breeding-ground for greedy politicians carrying out the legacies of their ancestors that played the same games 100 years ago. It's also home to some very righteous Christians. Considering all of this, it seems pretty obvious to me why Texas lawmakers would be anti-raw food. Imagine what might happen if more people became less dependent on oil and a lifestyle that supports meat consumption and cooked foods? Look at the showdown with Oprah and the cattlemen a few years back. Having been a resident, there are many wonderful things about Texas, but in regard to raw food, many (not all) Texans would look at it as if we might as well be worshipping the devil. On a more positive note, Austin is the most liberal town in the Lonestar state. I don't know if they have Central Market in other parts of Texas but this store is the BEST!!! I'm from California where we have all kinds of wonderful produce year round. However, Central Market had the most glorious display of fresh produce I've ever seen. I never knew how many chilis and mushrooms existed before seeing them there. They also have lots of healthy products and imported goods, raw nuts in bulk, a fabulous homeopathic pharmacy, and a great cafe. I would say that there are many Texans making healthier choices for themselves and for the planet, but I suspect they aren't necessarily the lawmakers, nor the majority of the public. Noelle:) Tom Spontelli <outreach wrote: *********************************************************** Tom Spontelli Instructor Ann Wigmore Natural Health Institute Aguada PR 00602 USA www.AnnWigmore.org Two week Living Foods Lifestyle Certification Program on tropical beach at one of the world's most respected Lifing Foods Institutes. *********************************************************** One of my students informs me that selling trays of wheatgrass or trays of sunflower greens for human consumption is illegal in Texas, because the trays contain soil and the soil may have bacteria. Also that some forms of untreated sprouts are illegal to sell for similar concerns about bacteria. If they were being sold to be cooked, its okay. The state authorities are taking a very hard stance against raw untreated produce. It seems completely bizarre to me that selling plants with soil to be eaten is illegal just because the plants are sold to be eaten raw. How about if we put a label that said, " Don't eat the dirt. " ? Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know of the status of this attack on raw foods in Texas? 2. Why is Texas so weird? I thought that they were supposed to be a bunch of gun-toting libertarians. Why won't they let raw foodist buy and sell trays of sunflower greens amongst themselves? I don't get this world sometimes. *********************************************************** Tom Spontelli Instructor Ann Wigmore Natural Health Institute Aguada PR 00602 USA www.AnnWigmore.org Two week Living Foods Lifestyle Certification Program on tropical beach at one of the world's most respected Lifing Foods Institutes. *********************************************************** How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Not sure if this went through the first time, please forgive me if it turns out to be a repeat. In response to: " Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know of the status of this attack on raw foods in Texas? 2. Why is Texas so weird? I thought that they were supposed to be a bunch of gun-toting libertarians. Why won't they let raw foodist buy and sell trays of sunflower greens amongst themselves? I don't get this world sometimes. " Ummmm...Texas = cows and oil, therefore also a breeding-ground for greedy politicians carrying out the legacies of their ancestors that played the same games 100 years ago. It's also home to some very righteous Christians. Considering all of this, it seems pretty obvious to me why Texas lawmakers would be anti-raw food. Imagine what might happen if more people became less dependent on oil and a lifestyle that supports meat consumption and cooked foods? Look at the showdown with Oprah and the cattlemen a few years back. Having been a resident, there are many wonderful things about Texas, but in regard to raw food, many (not all) Texans would look at it as if we might as well be worshipping the devil. On a more positive note, Austin is the most liberal town in the Lonestar state. I don't know if they have Central Market in other parts of Texas but this store is the BEST!!! I'm from California where we have all kinds of wonderful produce year round. However, Central Market had the most glorious display of fresh produce I've ever seen. I never knew how many chilis and mushrooms existed before seeing them there. They also have lots of healthy products and imported goods, raw nuts in bulk, a fabulous homeopathic pharmacy, and a great cafe. I would say that there are many Texans making healthier choices for themselves and for the planet, but I suspect they aren't necessarily the lawmakers, nor the majority of the public. Noelle:) Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 rawfood , Tom Spontelli <outreach wrote: >>It seems completely bizarre to me that selling plants with soil to be eaten is illegal just because the plants are sold to be eaten raw. How about if we put a label that said, " Don't eat the dirt. " ?<< Hi Tom, The consensus reality accepted by most Americans (who are just poor brainwashed souls, thanks to the extraordinary efforts of the FDA, AMA and USDA to have us think, eat and drug ourselves with slave-like adherence to their junk-nutritional agenda) seems to be rampant in most of the 52 states of the Union. (Well, it's hardly a Union anymore, but hopefully it'll continue to hold together.) I had an experience just yesterday that was a little bit in the same vein (I live in Massachusetts, where politics is liberal but in matters of food and nutrition, people are still pretty conservative): I put a really nice sign up on the bulletin board at my co-op (the sign had a color copy of my artwork and a carefully crafted typed message) offering free services as a 'mentor' to people who want want with their raw food diet. I went back a couple days later and it was gone, and in its place a certified nutritionist from NEEPA, a nutritional organization, had put up a big pocket sign with cooked recipe handouts in it. I was so mad that this person had obviously thrown my sign out! (In her mind undoubtedly my little effort is 'illegal' and therefore she's morally correct.) Luckily I have more copies of my signs, and I'm going to keep putting them up, as one person has already called me to request some help. So many good things are illegal in this country that shouldn't be, and there seems to be a concerted effort to make our food as inedible as possible (so that we'll spend a lot of time in the hospital and at the pharmacy picking up our drug cocktails?). ;-) Who ever thought they'd demand that fruit be cooked on the outside if it's imported from other countries? (Mangoes turn brown inside as a result.) Who ever thought we'd have nuked strawberries that are white, hard and tasteless inside? Who ever thought GM foods would make the inroads they already have? Who ever thought there would still be so many lethal pesticides and chemicals on and/or in our foods, given what we know about their effects? Stay the course! Sharrhan > > > > *********************************************************** > > Tom Spontelli > Instructor > Ann Wigmore Natural Health Institute > > Aguada PR 00602 USA > > www.AnnWigmore.org > > Two week Living Foods Lifestyle Certification Program on tropical beach at > one of the world's most respected Lifing Foods Institutes. > > *********************************************************** > One of my students informs me that selling trays of wheatgrass or trays of > sunflower greens for human consumption is illegal in Texas, because the > trays contain soil and the soil may have bacteria. Also that some forms of > untreated sprouts are illegal to sell for similar concerns about bacteria. > If they were being sold to be cooked, its okay. The state authorities are > taking a very hard stance against raw untreated produce. > > It seems completely bizarre to me that selling plants with soil to be eaten > is illegal just because the plants are sold to be eaten raw. How about if we > put a label that said, " Don't eat the dirt. " ? > > Two Questions: > > 1. Does anyone know of the status of this attack on raw foods in Texas? > > 2. Why is Texas so weird? I thought that they were supposed to be a bunch of > gun-toting libertarians. Why won't they let raw foodist buy and sell trays > of sunflower greens amongst themselves? > > I don't get this world sometimes. > > *********************************************************** > > Tom Spontelli > Instructor > Ann Wigmore Natural Health Institute > > Aguada PR 00602 USA > > www.AnnWigmore.org > > Two week Living Foods Lifestyle Certification Program on tropical beach at > one of the world's most respected Lifing Foods Institutes. > > *********************************************************** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Please do not use use Christianity as the reason for the problems in Texas. Change is difficult for all people. We have had some rather strong disagreements on this board alone over what make someone truly raw. LIZ Noelle Forestal <divadolce_rocks wrote: Not sure if this went through the first time, please forgive me if it turns out to be a repeat. In response to: " Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know of the status of this attack on raw foods in Texas? 2. Why is Texas so weird? I thought that they were supposed to be a bunch of gun-toting libertarians. Why won't they let raw foodist buy and sell trays of sunflower greens amongst themselves? I don't get this world sometimes. " Ummmm...Texas = cows and oil, therefore also a breeding-ground for greedy politicians carrying out the legacies of their ancestors that played the same games 100 years ago. It's also home to some very righteous Christians. Considering all of this, it seems pretty obvious to me why Texas lawmakers would be anti-raw food. Imagine what might happen if more people became less dependent on oil and a lifestyle that supports meat consumption and cooked foods? Look at the showdown with Oprah and the cattlemen a few years back. Having been a resident, there are many wonderful things about Texas, but in regard to raw food, many (not all) Texans would look at it as if we might as well be worshipping the devil. On a more positive note, Austin is the most liberal town in the Lonestar state. I don't know if they have Central Market in other parts of Texas but this store is the BEST!!! I'm from California where we have all kinds of wonderful produce year round. However, Central Market had the most glorious display of fresh produce I've ever seen. I never knew how many chilis and mushrooms existed before seeing them there. They also have lots of healthy products and imported goods, raw nuts in bulk, a fabulous homeopathic pharmacy, and a great cafe. I would say that there are many Texans making healthier choices for themselves and for the planet, but I suspect they aren't necessarily the lawmakers, nor the majority of the public. Noelle:) Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 My words were very specific, so please don't twist them with generalizations because that is exactly what leads to strong disagreements. I DID NOT say Christianity is the reason for the problems in Texas. However un-PC it may be, the simple fact is that there ARE many righteous Christians living in Texas (as well as other states and also other religious beliefs) that can be extremely combative and resistant to new ideas that challenge the traditional American way of life, especially when it involves family or children or basic needs like food. That's not even counting the economic impact on cattle-raising states like Texas if (heaven forbid) there was a significant shift to more people embracing vegetarianism and raw foods. To point out that American patriotism, Christian beliefs, politicians, the meat & dairy industry, oil dependency, our government, and specifically lawmakers in Texas are all interwoven is hardly a secret. I'm not going to act like those things don't interact with each other just so someone somewhere isn't offended, nor am I blaming anyone. I offer my apologies to anyone who felt offended by my words even though I did my best to choose my words carefully so as NOT to offend anyone. I disagree with the generalization that change is difficult for ALL people. Some people have an easy time with change and are very open to new things while some others are far less adaptable. AND since it isn't a competition, there should be no need for disagreements here regarding the judgement or evaluation of a person's rawness. That's like arguing with someone about how truly Buddhist you are or how American you are or how much of a real artist you are. No one else has the right to judge your path this way. We're all here at different levels, yet making healthier choices in the same right direction. Moving forward... " malave713 " <malave713 wrote: Please do not use use Christianity as the reason for the problems in Texas. Change is difficult for all people. We have had some rather strong disagreements on this board alone over what make someone truly raw. LIZ Noelle Forestal <divadolce_rocks wrote: Not sure if this went through the first time, please forgive me if it turns out to be a repeat. In response to: " Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know of the status of this attack on raw foods in Texas? 2. Why is Texas so weird? I thought that they were supposed to be a bunch of gun-toting libertarians. Why won't they let raw foodist buy and sell trays of sunflower greens amongst themselves? I don't get this world sometimes. " Ummmm...Texas = cows and oil, therefore also a breeding-ground for greedy politicians carrying out the legacies of their ancestors that played the same games 100 years ago. It's also home to some very righteous Christians. Considering all of this, it seems pretty obvious to me why Texas lawmakers would be anti-raw food. Imagine what might happen if more people became less dependent on oil and a lifestyle that supports meat consumption and cooked foods? Look at the showdown with Oprah and the cattlemen a few years back. Having been a resident, there are many wonderful things about Texas, but in regard to raw food, many (not all) Texans would look at it as if we might as well be worshipping the devil. On a more positive note, Austin is the most liberal town in the Lonestar state. I don't know if they have Central Market in other parts of Texas but this store is the BEST!!! I'm from California where we have all kinds of wonderful produce year round. However, Central Market had the most glorious display of fresh produce I've ever seen. I never knew how many chilis and mushrooms existed before seeing them there. They also have lots of healthy products and imported goods, raw nuts in bulk, a fabulous homeopathic pharmacy, and a great cafe. I would say that there are many Texans making healthier choices for themselves and for the planet, but I suspect they aren't necessarily the lawmakers, nor the majority of the public. Noelle:) Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 there are many ironies in life like this. but these people make some of the best supporters because they have been to the other side. Madeline Murray O'Hare-the famous atheist had a son who grew up to be a Christian! chicwriter wrote: Tom, You've got to put this in context. Texas is the epicenter of the meat-eating true believers. This is the state that has laws against badmouthing beef. They're the ones who filed suit against Oprah and others for talking about mad cow disease on TV. You ought to read Mad Cowboy by Howard Lyman. He was one of the defendants in the case. He went from growing up on a ranch, to owning a feedlot to becoming the president of the International Vegetarian Union. Funny, but true. Mary Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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