Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Hi everyone-- I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried this several times in different ways, with different items, with my dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal with that stress and risk. I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneyphoto.com (replace AT with @). Thanks very much! Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Laurie, My butcher will grind, to any consistancy I ask, all my raw meats (with bones and livers) for my cats and there is no charge for this. He also can get meats I cannot find locally (rabbit) and makes sure that they are all hormone and anitbiotic free. ini las_lala <laurie rawfood Monday, September 25, 2006 10:13:32 PM [Raw Food] OT: Raw pets/Vitamix to grind raw bones Hi everyone-- I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried this several times in different ways, with different items, with my dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal with that stress and risk. I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneypho to.com (replace AT with @). Thanks very much! Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Laurie, We have fed raw to our dog for several years. Try to find a breed-specific " bones and raw food " or natural feeding list. Some natural lists are not friendly to grinders but I have seen good conversations on others that are friendly on which grinders will handle which types of bones. Some dogs will need ground due to age or health problems, and some owners need to grind for their own comfort level. I've never seen vitamix mentioned. I assume you know never to feed cooked bone which goes brittle aside from destroying the nutrition! I have seen talk on training a dog or pup gradually to not gulp, by holding the piece in your hand - say, a chicken wing for a smaller dog or a large turkey neck for a larger dog - and letting the dog tug at it piece by piece. Removing perceived competition can solve some dogs' gulping. Feeding larger pieces that are breed appropriate so that the dog can't just gulp them down and has to do the natural tugging and pulling is also very important. I probably have some emails in my archives about grinders. I see mention of grinderguy.com ... wait, one does mention VitaMix in passing so the info must be out there on the net. I suggest you search the archives of some of the rawfeeding lists and perhaps you'll find plenty of posts on grinders. You might also search on " gulp " for ideas on training for a better eating technique? HTH, Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Ok...um...ew! I honestly thought this was a prank post at first. I know its for the dog and all but but considering this is specifically a raw vegan site -lol- if you must post a question like this here of all places, would you mind leaving the meat and bonecrushing details out as much as possible? Thank you! las_lala <laurie wrote: Hi everyone-- I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried this several times in different ways, with different items, with my dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal with that stress and risk. I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneyphoto.com (replace AT with @). Thanks very much! Laurie Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 http://www.omaspride.com/ Hi Laurie: I feed my cat a primarily raw diet. I purchase the above product. My cat has a preference for the beef and turkery varieties. She will not eat chicken. It is a complete diet with meats, bones and organs included and you don't have to deal with grinding it yourself. Since I am vegetarian transition to vegan/raw, I really hate to handle the meat so this is easier for me to deal with. Hope this helps or gives yo usome ideas. Later. Kimberlie rawfood , " las_lala " <laurie wrote: > > Hi everyone-- > > I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small > chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND > BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but > I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but > would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if > anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you > tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger > than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called > the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid > reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer > against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I > tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many > people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried > this several times in different ways, with different items, with my > dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of > trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if > we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal > with that stress and risk. > > I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion > groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know > anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me > know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneyphoto.com > (replace AT with @). > > Thanks very much! > > Laurie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Unless you have a special needs dog (no/few teeth, etc.) there is no need to grind. Kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Thanks, Shari. I thought those wouldn't do bones. It has been difficult to even find an electric one that isn't industrial that can handle bones. But I'll see if there's something I don't know-- that would be great if that worked. Laurie rawfood , " SV " <shavig wrote: > > What about one of those old types that my grams and mom used to use to make hamburger? It's the type that attaches with a screw to the countertop or breadboard and you just turn the arm while feeding the meat down from the top. They were always silver with a wooden part on the handle. Meat grinders is what they called them! > > Mom used to grind bologna and dill pickles to mix with mayo and make sandwich spread. You can find these machines in most any second hand store. They are manual, ohmygosh, you would have to do the turning of the handle yourself, but they work. > > Shari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Thanks so much for the tips and links, Shari, ini, Kimberlie, Kristi, and Susan. Very helpful. And sorry to gross you out, Murratu! Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 This was on the rawfeeding list several years ago (2003) so I don't know if the group is still there: > Please take any more discussions about grinding and/or grinders over to > the rawgrind list. > > RawGrind > > rawgrind- > > Gerry Brierley-moderator team If not, ask the owners there for a list. HTH, Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Well, now that you mention it, I do not know if it will do bones. Probably chicken and turkey bones, but I'm not too sure about larger beef bones. I have a Welsh Corgi who has been raw since 7 weeks old when we got him. I feed him Raw Advantage http://www.rawadvantagepetfood.com/ plus he gets a raw chicken neck every morning, whole. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 I buy the Raw Advantage turkey for my cat plus several other products and flavors from Only Natural Pets in Denver. http://snipurl.com/xe5z I've had very good experience with their raw pet food. My cat HATES the chicken, though, and would gladly starve before she'd eat it. And I won't eat it for her. :-) Tommie http://reallyrawfood.com rawfood , " SV " <shavig wrote: > > Well, now that you mention it, I do not know if it will do bones. Probably chicken and turkey bones, but I'm not too sure about larger beef bones. > > I have a Welsh Corgi who has been raw since 7 weeks old when we got him. I feed him Raw Advantage http://www.rawadvantagepetfood.com/ plus he gets a raw chicken neck every morning, whole. > > Shari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 A lot of people with cats use chicken " frames " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Thanks, Tommie! Laurie rawfood , " Tommie " <jerushy wrote: > > I buy the Raw Advantage turkey for my cat plus several other products > and flavors from Only Natural Pets in Denver. http://snipurl.com/xe5z > I've had very good experience with their raw pet food. My cat HATES > the chicken, though, and would gladly starve before she'd eat it. And > I won't eat it for her. :-) > > Tommie > http://reallyrawfood.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Thanks, Susan. Laurie rawfood , Susan M <slmccain wrote: > > A lot of people with cats use chicken " frames " . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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