Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Tom said: " Hope my experience helps. " Actually your experience made me very depressed. I eat young coconuts quite often, I use them in my recipes, I teach people how to open them and what to use them for and now you've dropped a horror story on me. Not all of us can afford to come to Costa Rica or wherever you may be. Not all of us can afford to leave our jobs and our families to enjoy fresh fruit from the trees. I'm not sure what your object was with this message, but it did not come across to me very well. It caused a very emotional surge in my heart and I am so sad that my being raw and using coconuts that are avaiable to me is once again, not good enough. Some of us just have to do with what we have and make the best of it. I've lived most of my life being out of step with everyone and I'm still out of step with the raw world because I live, teach, and enjoy living in a cold climate. Enjoy each and every one of your young coconuts. I hope you are successful with the Wigmore Foundation and I hope you live a long happy life. Good bye - Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hi Shari, I'm sorry that my message caused you any pain or sadness. I think that we all want to help others find the better alternatives that fill our own lives with joy and energy. I love the living baby cocos. I am constantly planting new trees anywhere I can so that there will always be new babies: public beaches, roadside traffic medians, . and what is marketed in the states as " baby coconuts " upsets me and depresses me. I really want you to experience how great it can be. I have not sent any coconuts up north but I want to. I have checked with the USDA and its legal to ship organic, unfumigated, non-irradiated baby coconuts to the states. If you send me your address, I want to send you one of my babies from the farm for free. Because of the weight, the shipping will be expensive, but I won't know til I do it. I want to do a test run but I want to do with someone who will really appreciate the effort that I put into it. I want to you taste what I taste and I am willing to pay for it. I want you to experience my joy of great living baby cocos, not just my sadness as to what is sold in the stores. When we have that shared joy, maybe we can find a way to make things better for everyone. All the best, Tom _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of SV Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:40 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Thai Coconuts ?!?! Tom said: " Hope my experience helps. " Actually your experience made me very depressed. I eat young coconuts quite often, I use them in my recipes, I teach people how to open them and what to use them for and now you've dropped a horror story on me. Not all of us can afford to come to Costa Rica or wherever you may be. Not all of us can afford to leave our jobs and our families to enjoy fresh fruit from the trees. I'm not sure what your object was with this message, but it did not come across to me very well. It caused a very emotional surge in my heart and I am so sad that my being raw and using coconuts that are avaiable to me is once again, not good enough. Some of us just have to do with what we have and make the best of it. I've lived most of my life being out of step with everyone and I'm still out of step with the raw world because I live, teach, and enjoy living in a cold climate. Enjoy each and every one of your young coconuts. I hope you are successful with the Wigmore Foundation and I hope you live a long happy life. Good bye - Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Shari, If it makes you feel any better, I have lived in Thailand, and experienced young Thai coconuts while staying on the beach - and they tasted and looked exactly like what is sold in the stores here in the states- delicious!!! So, from my experience, you're not missing out But, who knows, maybe down in Puerto Rico they are special... you'll have to let us know when you receive Tom's generous gift! Kassia -- Kassia Fiedor 510.882.4703 miessence World's First Certified Organic Skin, Hair, Body, Cosmetic, Oral, and Nutritional Products www.GreenLifeOrganics.com " Food for your skin, literally! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Just to let the group know, I responded to a private e-mail from Tom. I am having an extremely difficult time in my life at this moment and I lashed out at the first person I " saw " this morning. Please accept my amends. I was out of line and very rude and I will practice restraint of tongue and pen from here on out. Peace - Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 rawfood , " wigmoreoutreach " <outreach wrote: > > A baby coco fresh from the tree has a sweet intoxicating nectar that > screams life and vitality. If you have not tasted that, you will not > how bad the store ones compare. I am telling you, if you are not > getting baby cocos less than a week from the tree, you are in > trouble. That's sad to hear, but a fact of life. I've had fresh dates in Israel and never found anything comparable anywhere I've lived in the US. I thought I didn't like apples until I tried the apples from the local New England orchards. Apple Trivia: Johnny " Appleseed " Chapman was born near here, in Leominster, Mass. I think staples of popular raw diets, young coconuts or raw almonds are on the upswing in the market. Stores that have traditionally only carried them as an expensive exotic food might eventually find it's worth stocking as regular produce. My local Hannafords carries raw almonds in the bulk foods for more than $15 a pound. If I take a drive up to Trader Joe's I can get one pound bags for a bit more than $4 each. They sell a lot of almonds! I hope that, with time, we can get young coconuts that are at least as fresh as the imported oranges or pineapples. David King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Kassia wrote: " If it makes you feel any better, I have lived in Thailand, and experienced young Thai coconuts while staying on the beach - and they tasted and looked exactly like what is sold in the stores here in the states- delicious!!! " That's interesting. You are the first person I have ever heard say this. You said that they looked " exactly " the same. Were the ones you had in Thailand also husked with a sharp point on one end and circular on the other? I hate to say this but you might not have been getting FRESH cocos. I know that down here there are many roadside coco stands that sell baby cocos to tourists and they have that same stale dead taste because they have been sitting in some refrigerator or truck for weeks, old stale dead. The locals always keep a machete in their trucks and when they want a baby coconut they just stop on the side of the road, pluck one off a tree and chop it open. Many think its silly to " buy " a roadside coconut.) I am really not trying to offend anyone, but those roadside cocos do have the same consistency and quality of Thai cocos on the shelf. I was talking with some friends down here about this thread and the strong emotions that it has elicited, and my friend Jodi said that she found that " the difference between the Thai coconuts bought from health foods stores in the states and the live coconuts fresh from the tree, is like tasting the difference between factory bottled juice and squeezing your own. If you have never had access to fresh fruit and all you could ever get is the factory bottled juice, you are going to be thrilled getting bottled juice but once you have tasted LIVE juice you want to tell the whole world to buy a juicer. " Seriously, I send this with much to love and respect to everyone. I wish everyone on this list could come visit my farm and each pick your own coco, chop it open, and stand in the sunshine with your feet in the dirt and drink down the delicious nectar and then use a piece of the husk as your spoon to scoop out the soft delicious meat, just as I am sure that you would love to give a LIVING juice to every person who has only ever had bottled. ALL THE BEST TO EVERYONE, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Since I know you can't send a coconut to each of us who read your post with sadness and longing, I'll just ask you to share how to sprout a mature coconut. If that's the next best thing, then let me know. Will it work with the already cracked ones that are sold in the stores now? Tommie http://reallyrawfood.com rawfood , " wigmoreoutreach " <outreach wrote: > > Baby coconuts (not mature enough to be able to sprout) are very > fragile and die rather quickly. Mature coconuts have reached a state > by natural design that when they are ready to fall from the tree, > the gigantic seed pod can spend several months in a suspended state > on the ground or floating across the ocean ready for the right > conditions for sprouting. > > The baby coconuts, because of their fragile state and interrupted > life cycle, spoil and die very quickly. They are not designed to be > detached from the tree at that stage of their life cycle and be > viable. > > At the Institute, as we prepared for our seasonal opening in > October, someone bought a truckload of baby coconuts. We delayed our > opening by two weeks and one of the major casualties of this > decision is that we lost over 90% (about 400) of our baby coconuts > to spoilage. > > In general, I personally do not use baby coconuts more than one week > off the tree, otherwise they taste dead to me. Even when they are > put in cold storage I can taste the difference. When I am in the > states I have bought Thai cocos and they taste dead and horribly > chemical to me, even the organic ones from the Organic Food > supermarkets. > > First of all, let me tell you from experience with cutting and using > hundreds to thousands of normal cocos myself (I have ten coco trees > on my farm), that those skinned yellow husks do NOT stay yellow for > weeks without preservatives. The yellow husk on cocos in the stores > IS NOT NATURAL, no matter how well refrigerated and packaged. You > have to ask yourself, how are they kept like that? Just like you > should ask yourself, why does a McDonalds or airline salad never get > brown even around the edges? > > A baby coco fresh from the tree has a sweet intoxicating nectar that > screams life and vitality. If you have not tasted that, you will not > how bad the store ones compare. I am telling you, if you are not > getting baby cocos less than a week from the tree, you are in > trouble. > > If you are unable to get the TRULY FRESH baby cocos shipped to you > or you do not live in the tropics and you still want to get the > amazing power of the coconut; do what we do with other seeds: SPROUT > MATURE COCONUTS! It takes a really long time, but it is so worth it. > The " water " area fills with a delicious sweet coconut cake. The area > (on the inside) around where the sprout tail comes out forms a torus > of amazing pure coconut oil, that is unlike any other live coconut > oil that you have ever used. In the " Living Foods Lifestyle " we only > use fresh cut baby coconut water and meat, or sprouted coconut cake > and oil, which is abundantly alive with tangible energy and vitality! > > Fresh baby coconuts can be 2nd day aired from Puerto Rico (US > territory) or Hawaii. Why waste natural resources shipping coconuts > over a couple of months by cargo container from Thailand for food > that will be DOA (dead on arrival)? > > Hope my experience helps. > > All the best, > Tom > > > > *********************************************************** > > Tom Spontelli > Instructor > Ann Wigmore Natural Health Institute > > Aguada PR 00602 USA > > www.AnnWigmore.org > > Two week Living Foods Lifestyle Certification Program on tropical > beach at one of the world's most respected Living Foods Institutes. > > *********************************************************** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 In a message dated 11/15/2006 7:13:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, whipmaker writes: I hope that, with time, we can get young coconuts that are at least as fresh as the imported oranges or pineapples. David King I sure hope you're right, David! It's daunting to think about how few of the world's many varieties of fruits we ever get to experience because they just aren't sold in our markets. Judy (who thought there would be a much larger variety of produce here in Florida than there was in NYC, where I lived for many years, only to find that NYC had much more) Judy Pokras vegwriter editor/founder/publisher The Little e-Book of Raw Thanksgiving Recipes Raw Foods News Magazine _www.rawfoodsnewsmagazine.com_ (http://www.rawfoodsnewsmagazine.com) An online magazine celebrating raw vegan cuisine since March 2001, and featuring authoritative info, breaking news, and fun interactive features on the raw vegan lifestyle. Chosen as a 2005 Hot List Item by SRQ Magazine. Recommended by best-selling author Harvey Diamond, Writer's Digest, EnergyTimes, The Vegan Guide to NYC, the Japanese magazine Engine, breathing.com, and the national radio program Carolyn Craft's Inner Wisdom. Sign up for our free e-newsletter! When you advertise with us you reach a targeted market. Did you know that switching to a vegan diet helps prevent global warming more than switching to a hybrid car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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