Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 I've been mostly raw for 9 days. Im not 100% because I cant seem to let go of coffee, tea and canned beans and peas. I do make my own raw foods though from RP brownies to my own fruit and nut biscotti's. I have my own journal: http://g2bthin.blogspot.com/ and I frequent these two message boards: http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/ and http://www.rawfoodtalk.com I am happy to be appart of this group. I wanted to say Hello =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 You may need very specific direction and cleansing program FIRST. Then transition is much easier. Perhaps we should talk? Best, Annie Anne Kaspar Health and Wellness Consultant BodyByBliss.com 505.690.0169 On 12/17/06, trinity <trinity082482 wrote: > > > I've been mostly raw for 9 days. Im not 100% because I cant seem to > let go of coffee, tea and canned beans and peas. I do make my own raw > foods though from RP brownies to my own fruit and nut biscotti's. > > I have my own journal: http://g2bthin.blogspot.com/ > > and I frequent these two message boards: > > http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/ > > and > > http://www.rawfoodtalk.com > > I am happy to be appart of this group. I wanted to say Hello =) > > > -- Anne Kaspar Health and Wellness Consultant BodyByBliss 19 Grasslands Trail Santa Fe, NM 87508 O 505.474.9699 C 505.690.0169 www.bodybybliss.com bodybybliss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 I'm scared to do a cleanse. I dont want to not eat for fear of organ problems. I dont have health issues but I dont want kidney failure or anything Anne Kaspar <bodybybliss wrote: You may need very specific direction and cleansing program FIRST. Then transition is much easier. Perhaps we should talk? Best, Annie Anne Kaspar Health and Wellness Consultant BodyByBliss.com 505.690.0169 On 12/17/06, trinity <trinity082482 wrote: > > > I've been mostly raw for 9 days. Im not 100% because I cant seem to > let go of coffee, tea and canned beans and peas. I do make my own raw > foods though from RP brownies to my own fruit and nut biscotti's. > > I have my own journal: http://g2bthin.blogspot.com/ > > and I frequent these two message boards: > > http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/ > > and > > http://www.rawfoodtalk.com > > I am happy to be appart of this group. I wanted to say Hello =) > > > -- Anne Kaspar Health and Wellness Consultant BodyByBliss 19 Grasslands Trail Santa Fe, NM 87508 O 505.474.9699 C 505.690.0169 www.bodybybliss.com bodybybliss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 If you do THE RIGHT CLEANSE you will not experience anything but detox and organ rejuvination. Check out my website and you will see what I mean. Best, Annie On 12/17/06, Blondy <trinity082482 wrote: > > I'm scared to do a cleanse. I dont want to not eat for fear of organ > problems. I dont have health issues but I dont want kidney failure or > anything > > Anne Kaspar <bodybybliss <bodybybliss%40gmail.com>> wrote: You > may need very specific direction and cleansing program FIRST. Then > transition is much easier. Perhaps we should talk? Best, Annie > > Anne Kaspar > Health and Wellness Consultant > BodyByBliss.com > 505.690.0169 > > On 12/17/06, trinity <trinity082482 <trinity082482%40.ca>> > wrote: > > > > > > I've been mostly raw for 9 days. Im not 100% because I cant seem to > > let go of coffee, tea and canned beans and peas. I do make my own raw > > foods though from RP brownies to my own fruit and nut biscotti's. > > > > I have my own journal: http://g2bthin.blogspot.com/ > > > > and I frequent these two message boards: > > > > http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/ > > > > and > > > > http://www.rawfoodtalk.com > > > > I am happy to be appart of this group. I wanted to say Hello =) > > > > > > > > -- > Anne Kaspar > Health and Wellness Consultant > > BodyByBliss > 19 Grasslands Trail > Santa Fe, NM 87508 > O 505.474.9699 > C 505.690.0169 > www.bodybybliss.com > bodybybliss <bodybybliss%40gmail.com> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Hi there, You are doing great, you do not need to " do a cleanse " . The human organism is designed to monitor and cleanse itself -- as are all living organisms. Were this not the case, most species would have gone extinct long ago. If you continue to live healthfully, learn what and how and when to eat, learn about activity ( " exercise " ), sunshine, fresh air, rest, and other factors that contribute to our health. you'll do fine! Trust Nature first and concoctions of the human forebrain a distant second. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Blondy Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:55 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I'm scared to do a cleanse. I dont want to not eat for fear of organ problems. I dont have health issues but I dont want kidney failure or anything <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId =26559/stime=1166448807/nc1=3848443/nc2=4025377/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Who say that you could get kidney failure? I have never heard it from anyone when you do a cleans. Theresa \o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie On 12/18/06, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > > Hi there, > You are doing great, you do not need to " do a cleanse " . The human organism > is designed to monitor and cleanse itself -- as are all living organisms. > Were this not the case, most species would have gone extinct long ago. > > If you continue to live healthfully, learn what and how and when to eat, > learn about activity ( " exercise " ), sunshine, fresh air, rest, and other > factors that contribute to our health. you'll do fine! Trust Nature first > and concoctions of the human forebrain a distant second. > > Best, > Elchanan > > _____ > > rawfood <rawfood%40> [ > rawfood <rawfood%40>] On Behalf Of > Blondy > Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:55 PM > rawfood <rawfood%40> > Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. > > I'm scared to do a cleanse. I dont want to not eat for fear of organ > problems. I dont have health issues but I dont want kidney failure or > anything > > < > http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId > =26559/stime=1166448807/nc1=3848443/nc2=4025377/nc3=3> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Hi Annie, I appreciate your point of view. You are surely correct, people have been doing such things for eons. But I wonder just one thing: if all these cleanses work so well, then why are people repeating them again and again, typically? There is a fundamental paradigm shift available here, to those who would open themselves to it. We can appreciate Nature's design, and live in accordance with that design, or we can continue to remain enamored of our own creations, instead. All cleanses represent a use of force upon and therefore against oneself. Although the specifics vary widely, the underlying premise is always the same: just put this or that substance into this or that orifice, and voila, watch the stuff come out. And this does indeed happen ... for the body interprets the " cleanse " material as foreign matter and begins at once to remove it as quickly and safely as it can, given its own then-present resources. If anyone really needed any of this stuff, we'd not have as a species survived into recent times. That we have indeed survived serves as its own testament to the innate capacity of our species -- by design. What people seem not to comprehend is that the body -- every organism -- cleanses and restores itself immediately, the moment it perceives a drop in the load placed upon it. I call this drop " relative rest " , and all backward cleansing (cleansing of whatever may have accumulated from the past) occurs ONLY AND ALWAYS during such a condition of relative rest. This is why fasting on water alone works so beautifully. We give up control, rather than attempting to take control. We create a state of deep rest, letting the entire digestive system rest completely, and in addition reducing other forms of activity and stimulation, particularly by closing our eyes as much as possible. We let our system assert its own, innate intelligence, setting its own priorities and pace, selectively breaking down stored trash, eliminating some and recapturing and recycling the rest. In effect, we get out of our own way. In contrast, a so-called cleanse actually increases the load/burden upon the system, forcing the system to focus upon cleansing the cleanse itself. In other words, the " cleanse " dirties the system and must be cleansed. This is not unlike washing with most soaps ... hence the term, soap scum. The key to cleansing and restoration is rest, not eating more stuff, and this is so not only for our own species, but for all life, all the time. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anne Kaspar Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Pardon me if this has been previously talked about, but is it safe to fast on water alone for 5-6 days? I tend to get " gut rott " and maybe it might help clean me out. Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Hi Annie, I appreciate your point of view. You are surely correct, people have been doing such things for eons. But I wonder just one thing: if all these cleanses work so well, then why are people repeating them again and again, typically? There is a fundamental paradigm shift available here, to those who would open themselves to it. We can appreciate Nature's design, and live in accordance with that design, or we can continue to remain enamored of our own creations, instead. All cleanses represent a use of force upon and therefore against oneself. Although the specifics vary widely, the underlying premise is always the same: just put this or that substance into this or that orifice, and voila, watch the stuff come out. And this does indeed happen ... for the body interprets the " cleanse " material as foreign matter and begins at once to remove it as quickly and safely as it can, given its own then-present resources. If anyone really needed any of this stuff, we'd not have as a species survived into recent times. That we have indeed survived serves as its own testament to the innate capacity of our species -- by design. What people seem not to comprehend is that the body -- every organism -- cleanses and restores itself immediately, the moment it perceives a drop in the load placed upon it. I call this drop " relative rest " , and all backward cleansing (cleansing of whatever may have accumulated from the past) occurs ONLY AND ALWAYS during such a condition of relative rest. This is why fasting on water alone works so beautifully. We give up control, rather than attempting to take control. We create a state of deep rest, letting the entire digestive system rest completely, and in addition reducing other forms of activity and stimulation, particularly by closing our eyes as much as possible. We let our system assert its own, innate intelligence, setting its own priorities and pace, selectively breaking down stored trash, eliminating some and recapturing and recycling the rest. In effect, we get out of our own way. In contrast, a so-called cleanse actually increases the load/burden upon the system, forcing the system to focus upon cleansing the cleanse itself. In other words, the " cleanse " dirties the system and must be cleansed. This is not unlike washing with most soaps ... hence the term, soap scum. The key to cleansing and restoration is rest, not eating more stuff, and this is so not only for our own species, but for all life, all the time. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anne Kaspar Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 There are varioius concepts. One of the best forms a cleanse, used both medically and spitirually is sweating. It cleans the body from the inside out. People have been using various muds to draw toxins through the skins. I've been at the dead sea, and felt what the mud and the salt have done for me. They market that salt mud for huge amounts of money. We know roughage itself is very valuable. Other substances have been tested for thousands of years. I'm a fan of pure water and sweat myself. Elchanan <Elchanan rawfood Monday, December 18, 2006 3:59:52 PM RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. Hi Annie, I appreciate your point of view. You are surely correct, people have been doing such things for eons. But I wonder just one thing: if all these cleanses work so well, then why are people repeating them again and again, typically? There is a fundamental paradigm shift available here, to those who would open themselves to it. We can appreciate Nature's design, and live in accordance with that design, or we can continue to remain enamored of our own creations, instead. All cleanses represent a use of force upon and therefore against oneself. Although the specifics vary widely, the underlying premise is always the same: just put this or that substance into this or that orifice, and voila, watch the stuff come out. And this does indeed happen ... for the body interprets the " cleanse " material as foreign matter and begins at once to remove it as quickly and safely as it can, given its own then-present resources. If anyone really needed any of this stuff, we'd not have as a species survived into recent times. That we have indeed survived serves as its own testament to the innate capacity of our species -- by design. What people seem not to comprehend is that the body -- every organism -- cleanses and restores itself immediately, the moment it perceives a drop in the load placed upon it. I call this drop " relative rest " , and all backward cleansing (cleansing of whatever may have accumulated from the past) occurs ONLY AND ALWAYS during such a condition of relative rest. This is why fasting on water alone works so beautifully. We give up control, rather than attempting to take control. We create a state of deep rest, letting the entire digestive system rest completely, and in addition reducing other forms of activity and stimulation, particularly by closing our eyes as much as possible. We let our system assert its own, innate intelligence, setting its own priorities and pace, selectively breaking down stored trash, eliminating some and recapturing and recycling the rest. In effect, we get out of our own way. In contrast, a so-called cleanse actually increases the load/burden upon the system, forcing the system to focus upon cleansing the cleanse itself. In other words, the " cleanse " dirties the system and must be cleansed. This is not unlike washing with most soaps ... hence the term, soap scum. The key to cleansing and restoration is rest, not eating more stuff, and this is so not only for our own species, but for all life, all the time. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anne Kaspar Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Hi All, I like the posts about cleanses, I have never heard about people being hurt by a cleans.I do know that you can find a site that talks bad about Dr. Day and it is bad that barley green and all raw is bad for you and the only way to go is with a MD and on and on it went I read it. My son heard me talking to one of my daughters about what she had to say on her site about sickness, aids and other disease. He said that is all is a lie. O well I can expect it from him and even from my girls to some extent. Have any one else read her site and what do you think? Theresa \o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Hi Theresa, There is at least one site for and one site against almost every conceivable approach to every aspect of " health " . I prefer to focus where: - The approach is comprehensive, focusing not only on diet, but on health in a broad sense. - The approach relies upon understanding Nature and living in harmony with Nature. - The approach rests upon the belief that we choose how to live, with health being simply an outcome of our choices. - No products (other than publications or gatherings) are being sold. Hope this is a bit helpful, without becoming at all parochial. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of potato Monday, December 18, 2006 4:35 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. Hi All, I like the posts about cleanses, I have never heard about people being hurt by a cleans.I do know that you can find a site that talks bad about Dr. Day and it is bad that barley green and all raw is bad for you and the only way to go is with a MD and on and on it went I read it. My son heard me talking to one of my daughters about what she had to say on her site about sickness, aids and other disease. He said that is all is a lie. O well I can expect it from him and even from my girls to some extent. Have any one else read her site and what do you think? Theresa \o/ <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId =26574/stime=1166488609/nc1=3848429/nc2=4025338/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 It is sometimes hard to know what the truth is but I have found that somethings work and some don't. The raw diet does work for I'm starting to feel better. So this is what is making me better so I say it is the truth. Theresa \o/ Quoting Elchanan <Elchanan: > Hi Theresa, > There is at least one site for and one site against almost every conceivable > approach to every aspect of " health " . I prefer to focus where: > > - The approach is comprehensive, focusing not only on diet, but on health in > a broad sense. > > - The approach relies upon understanding Nature and living in harmony with > Nature. > > - The approach rests upon the belief that we choose how to live, with health > being simply an outcome of our choices. > > - No products (other than publications or gatherings) are being sold. > > Hope this is a bit helpful, without becoming at all parochial. > > Best, > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > potato > Monday, December 18, 2006 4:35 PM > rawfood > RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. > > > Hi All, I like the posts about cleanses, I have never heard about > people being hurt by a cleans.I do know that you can find a site that > talks bad about Dr. Day and it is bad that barley green and all raw is > bad for you and the only way to go is with a MD and on and on it went > I read it. My son heard me talking to one of my daughters about what > she had to say on her site about sickness, aids and other disease. He > said that is all is a lie. O well I can expect it from him and even > from my girls to some extent. Have any one else read her site and what > do you think? > > Theresa \o/ > > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId > =26574/stime=1166488609/nc1=3848429/nc2=4025338/nc3=3> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Blondy Monday, December 18, 2006 4:10 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. Pardon me if this has been previously talked about, but is it safe to fast on water alone for 5-6 days? I tend to get " gut rott " and maybe it might help clean me out. You might want to read Paul Bragg's books on fasting, but that is exactly what he supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Yes, generally speaking, but without knowing more about your individual circumstances, one cannot provide an individualized answer for you. There is much to learn about fasting. One good place to begin is with any of Herbert Shelton's books on the topic. And books or no books, you'll learn most from conversation with someone who knows a great deal about fasting (NOT someone whose primary fasting experience is his/her own). Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Blondy Monday, December 18, 2006 4:10 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. Pardon me if this has been previously talked about, but is it safe to fast on water alone for 5-6 days? I tend to get " gut rott " and maybe it might help clean me out. Elchanan <Elchanan@PathOfHeal <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org> th.org> wrote: Hi Annie, I appreciate your point of view. You are surely correct, people have been doing such things for eons. But I wonder just one thing: if all these cleanses work so well, then why are people repeating them again and again, typically? There is a fundamental paradigm shift available here, to those who would open themselves to it. We can appreciate Nature's design, and live in accordance with that design, or we can continue to remain enamored of our own creations, instead. All cleanses represent a use of force upon and therefore against oneself. Although the specifics vary widely, the underlying premise is always the same: just put this or that substance into this or that orifice, and voila, watch the stuff come out. And this does indeed happen ... for the body interprets the " cleanse " material as foreign matter and begins at once to remove it as quickly and safely as it can, given its own then-present resources. If anyone really needed any of this stuff, we'd not have as a species survived into recent times. That we have indeed survived serves as its own testament to the innate capacity of our species -- by design. What people seem not to comprehend is that the body -- every organism -- cleanses and restores itself immediately, the moment it perceives a drop in the load placed upon it. I call this drop " relative rest " , and all backward cleansing (cleansing of whatever may have accumulated from the past) occurs ONLY AND ALWAYS during such a condition of relative rest. This is why fasting on water alone works so beautifully. We give up control, rather than attempting to take control. We create a state of deep rest, letting the entire digestive system rest completely, and in addition reducing other forms of activity and stimulation, particularly by closing our eyes as much as possible. We let our system assert its own, innate intelligence, setting its own priorities and pace, selectively breaking down stored trash, eliminating some and recapturing and recycling the rest. In effect, we get out of our own way. In contrast, a so-called cleanse actually increases the load/burden upon the system, forcing the system to focus upon cleansing the cleanse itself. In other words, the " cleanse " dirties the system and must be cleansed. This is not unlike washing with most soaps ... hence the term, soap scum. The key to cleansing and restoration is rest, not eating more stuff, and this is so not only for our own species, but for all life, all the time. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On Behalf Of Anne Kaspar Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Not to be contrary but, I " would love to see where you have done your research " , Annie. I am a long time student of anthropology and I have nowhere seen anything on cleansing with anything but water fasting until recent times. Teas and such have been used medicinally for about 6,000 years, but not during fasting as far as I have found. Juices were extremely hard to extract in the amounts necessary for a cleanse of the caliber I read about today, especially vegetable juices. In most historical accounts I have studied, teas have been the only thing that has been used for medicinal purposes and that has not been for 10,000 years. there is just no evidence that early on. The best we can do is 6,000 years ago and that is shaky at best. It is my opinion, based on my own research, that the human being is a natural being and prehistoric humans were " forced " into cleansing by nature. That form of cleansing was water fasting because it was done during times they could not find food. Long term water fasts were Nature's way of helping the body cleanse itself. Also, if we are like other animals, we would not eat when sick, which is again a water fast. Humans seem to be very unique in their ability to ignore Nature at the detriment of themselves and others. Another opinion of mine is that just because something has been done for 10,000 years does not mean it is the best thing to do. Humans have been cooking food and eating meat for 10,000 years and that I have seen evidence for. I am of the opinion that this was a mistake and that cooked food was first consumed out of desperation. Possibly when there was a forest fire and it was either eat the cooked food or die of starvation. Like many of our modern discoveries are jumped on without caution, the prehistoric peoples found some benefits in cooking (like longer preservation time) and did not explore or understand the draw back to consuming vast amounts of cooked foods. So again, length of time does not necessarily mean correctness in action. Now, I am fully willing to admit that I could be wrong. I am new to this study on raw food healing and health. but I am most certainly not new to anthropology and natural history. I am basing my decisions about my health and my chosen raw food diet on my own logical interpretation of natural history. If you could tell me where I could find the evidence documenting a 10,000 year history of cleansing with something other than water fasting, I would be most interested (truly, I am not being sarcastic). I would love to include this knowledge into my repertoire. Ya never know, it might even change my mind. :-) Athene rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anne Kaspar Monday, December 18, 2006 6:03 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie On 12/18/06, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote: > > Hi there, > You are doing great, you do not need to " do a cleanse " . The human organism > is designed to monitor and cleanse itself -- as are all living organisms. > Were this not the case, most species would have gone extinct long ago. > > If you continue to live healthfully, learn what and how and when to eat, > learn about activity ( " exercise " ), sunshine, fresh air, rest, and other > factors that contribute to our health. you'll do fine! Trust Nature first > and concoctions of the human forebrain a distant second. > > Best, > Elchanan > > _____ > > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com <rawfood%40> [ > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com <rawfood%40>] On Behalf Of > Blondy > Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:55 PM > rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com <rawfood%40> > Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. > > I'm scared to do a cleanse. I dont want to not eat for fear of organ > problems. I dont have health issues but I dont want kidney failure or > anything > > < > http://geo.. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/m sgId> com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId > =26559/stime=1166448807/nc1=3848443/nc2=4025377/nc3=3> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Thanks Elchanan Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Yes, generally speaking, but without knowing more about your individual circumstances, one cannot provide an individualized answer for you. There is much to learn about fasting. One good place to begin is with any of Herbert Shelton's books on the topic. And books or no books, you'll learn most from conversation with someone who knows a great deal about fasting (NOT someone whose primary fasting experience is his/her own). Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Blondy Monday, December 18, 2006 4:10 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. Pardon me if this has been previously talked about, but is it safe to fast on water alone for 5-6 days? I tend to get " gut rott " and maybe it might help clean me out. Elchanan <Elchanan@PathOfHeal <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org> th.org> wrote: Hi Annie, I appreciate your point of view. You are surely correct, people have been doing such things for eons. But I wonder just one thing: if all these cleanses work so well, then why are people repeating them again and again, typically? There is a fundamental paradigm shift available here, to those who would open themselves to it. We can appreciate Nature's design, and live in accordance with that design, or we can continue to remain enamored of our own creations, instead. All cleanses represent a use of force upon and therefore against oneself. Although the specifics vary widely, the underlying premise is always the same: just put this or that substance into this or that orifice, and voila, watch the stuff come out. And this does indeed happen ... for the body interprets the " cleanse " material as foreign matter and begins at once to remove it as quickly and safely as it can, given its own then-present resources. If anyone really needed any of this stuff, we'd not have as a species survived into recent times. That we have indeed survived serves as its own testament to the innate capacity of our species -- by design. What people seem not to comprehend is that the body -- every organism -- cleanses and restores itself immediately, the moment it perceives a drop in the load placed upon it. I call this drop " relative rest " , and all backward cleansing (cleansing of whatever may have accumulated from the past) occurs ONLY AND ALWAYS during such a condition of relative rest. This is why fasting on water alone works so beautifully. We give up control, rather than attempting to take control. We create a state of deep rest, letting the entire digestive system rest completely, and in addition reducing other forms of activity and stimulation, particularly by closing our eyes as much as possible. We let our system assert its own, innate intelligence, setting its own priorities and pace, selectively breaking down stored trash, eliminating some and recapturing and recycling the rest. In effect, we get out of our own way. In contrast, a so-called cleanse actually increases the load/burden upon the system, forcing the system to focus upon cleansing the cleanse itself. In other words, the " cleanse " dirties the system and must be cleansed. This is not unlike washing with most soaps ... hence the term, soap scum. The key to cleansing and restoration is rest, not eating more stuff, and this is so not only for our own species, but for all life, all the time. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On Behalf Of Anne Kaspar Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 You are welcome. Feel free to write privately if you wish, Elchanan. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Blondy Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:28 AM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. Thanks Elchanan Elchanan <Elchanan@PathOfHeal <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org> th.org> wrote: Yes, generally speaking, but without knowing more about your individual circumstances, one cannot provide an individualized answer for you. There is much to learn about fasting. One good place to begin is with any of Herbert Shelton's books on the topic. And books or no books, you'll learn most from conversation with someone who knows a great deal about fasting (NOT someone whose primary fasting experience is his/her own). Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On Behalf Of Blondy Monday, December 18, 2006 4:10 PM rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com RE: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. Pardon me if this has been previously talked about, but is it safe to fast on water alone for 5-6 days? I tend to get " gut rott " and maybe it might help clean me out. Elchanan <Elchanan@PathOfHeal <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org> th.org> wrote: Hi Annie, I appreciate your point of view. You are surely correct, people have been doing such things for eons. But I wonder just one thing: if all these cleanses work so well, then why are people repeating them again and again, typically? There is a fundamental paradigm shift available here, to those who would open themselves to it. We can appreciate Nature's design, and live in accordance with that design, or we can continue to remain enamored of our own creations, instead. All cleanses represent a use of force upon and therefore against oneself. Although the specifics vary widely, the underlying premise is always the same: just put this or that substance into this or that orifice, and voila, watch the stuff come out. And this does indeed happen ... for the body interprets the " cleanse " material as foreign matter and begins at once to remove it as quickly and safely as it can, given its own then-present resources. If anyone really needed any of this stuff, we'd not have as a species survived into recent times. That we have indeed survived serves as its own testament to the innate capacity of our species -- by design. What people seem not to comprehend is that the body -- every organism -- cleanses and restores itself immediately, the moment it perceives a drop in the load placed upon it. I call this drop " relative rest " , and all backward cleansing (cleansing of whatever may have accumulated from the past) occurs ONLY AND ALWAYS during such a condition of relative rest. This is why fasting on water alone works so beautifully. We give up control, rather than attempting to take control. We create a state of deep rest, letting the entire digestive system rest completely, and in addition reducing other forms of activity and stimulation, particularly by closing our eyes as much as possible. We let our system assert its own, innate intelligence, setting its own priorities and pace, selectively breaking down stored trash, eliminating some and recapturing and recycling the rest. In effect, we get out of our own way. In contrast, a so-called cleanse actually increases the load/burden upon the system, forcing the system to focus upon cleansing the cleanse itself. In other words, the " cleanse " dirties the system and must be cleansed. This is not unlike washing with most soaps ... hence the term, soap scum. The key to cleansing and restoration is rest, not eating more stuff, and this is so not only for our own species, but for all life, all the time. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com [rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com] On Behalf Of Anne Kaspar Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com Re: [Raw Food] 9 days raw. I beg to differ. Millions of people cleanse - have for 10,000 years - and benefit GREATLY FROM IT. Would love to see where you've done your research Elchanan. Best, Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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