Whole Foods vs. Juicing (WAS: Sibu juice--pasteurized?)

December 20, 2006

what if you juiced the entire fruit other than pits? Wouldnt that be the same as

eating the fruit its self? No one eats the skin or pit anyway. I love juicing. I

dont do it that often because I like to drink water and have whole fruit on the

side.

Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Hi

Beth,

I really appreciate your curiosity and genuine desire to understand. There

are indeed SO many different voices. I can only suggest listening with great

care to the ones that have products for sale.

When you juice, you remove the fiber (and many other nutrients stuck in the

fiber). If you remove the fiber, you no longer have a whole food. There is

no human-made juice that is a whole food.

Yes, many who are selling things tell us how wonderful are the things they

are selling. This does not, however, create any requirement that we buy

these things, nor does a message become more " valid " or " correct " just

because it is repeated. We tend to believe what we hear repeatedly ... I

suggest otherwise.

Now, if you do choose to drink juices, then in every case of which I am

aware, fresh (immediately after pressing or ripping) is best. Pressed is

better than ripped. Raw is better than cooked (pasteurized). Flash

pasteurized is better than standard pasteurized. But always remember that

ALL these processes constitute steps along a continuum away from whole foods

and toward refined foods. The output is never a whole food. Some may be more

removed than others, but they are all refined foods.

Now about that chocolate ... There is one marketer on Earth, of whom I am

aware, that claims this stuff is actually a health food. And he has to

refine it from the beans and sweeten it, at the VERY least, before he can

even begin to eat it.

Up to you!

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Tom & Beth Mouser

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:27 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Sibu juice--pasteurized?

Elchanan, I thought this Sibu juice product was a whole food. It is from

the Seabuckthorn berry and is supposedly really high in anti-oxidants.

Aren't there a lot of raw foodists who tout certain healing properties of

various whole foods?.like David Wolfe saying how great chocolate is. Many

of us are juicing to get all the vitamins from whole foods. I was thinking

this would be another healthy juice option if it wasn't pasteurized.

Thanks,

Beth

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December 20, 2006

Hi again Beth,

Yes, this would be the same approach as making orange " juice " from a whole

orange, less the peel and the seeds. But here we have a terminology problem.

You may call this " juice " because it consists largely of water. I call it a

smoothie, because, well, that's how we make smoothies, from the whole foods.

Now, having touched on that ... this approach is much better, of course, but

you still have something other than a whole food. For whenever we break open

Nature's package, certain processes begin immediately. Among these is

oxidation; the whipping process pulls considerable air into the brew,

accelerating the process of oxidation.

Now you simply have to decide what will work for you at any moment in time.

There is no " right " or " wrong " here. There is only a food in its pristine

form, and then refined versions of that food in various forms. The ultimate

refinement, I suppose, would be to extract the sugar and lose everything

else; that would be totally " empty calories " .

What you suggest here is done commonly, I do this at times (make smoothies

of various foods). But I don't depend upon them as a crucial part of my

diet; rather, I treat them more as treats and/or conveniences. Of course,

you (and anyone) may perceive and treat them differently :) These are just

my own choices, arrived at over the years.

And one last point: the whole notion of superfoods really doesn't work. So

if you genuinely enjoy these berries, or a beverage (now, that terms works

regardless of " juice " or " smoothie " made from them, then wonderful. But

if you find yourself eating this food because " it's good for you " or you

" should " , then I suggest abandoning it at that point (if you ever reach that

point).

Hope this is helpful!

Elchanan

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Blondy

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:41 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Whole Foods vs. Juicing (WAS: Sibu

juice--pasteurized?)

what if you juiced the entire fruit other than pits? Wouldnt that be the

same as eating the fruit its self? No one eats the skin or pit anyway. I

love juicing. I dont do it that often because I like to drink water and have

whole fruit on the side.

December 20, 2006

I find smoothies are more filling too Perhaps in the long run it will be

healthier for you because it will help you to consume less cals by filling up

better.

Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Hi

again Beth,