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I don't smoke either and never did, so now that is 2 of us.

 

Theresa \o/

 

 

Quoting Blondy <trinity082482:

 

> I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw. just

> wondering. i dont smoke my self.

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Blondy wrote:

 

> I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw.

just

> wondering. i dont smoke my self.

 

You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

worried about what other people do?

 

Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been that

way? Do you ever backslide?

 

As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING to

do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me vis a

vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

 

I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what other

people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

 

I have much more interest in my personal raw life style management,

my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

 

What someone else does is their own life.

 

I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you eat

raw do you smoke?

 

I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

people and condone mass murder?

 

Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over and

look at mine or anyone else's.

 

It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

really old book.

 

Margaret

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It will be okay

 

Margaret Gamez <mgamez wrote:

Blondy wrote:

 

> I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw.

just

> wondering. i dont smoke my self.

 

You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

worried about what other people do?

 

Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been that

way? Do you ever backslide?

 

As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING to

do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me vis a

vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

 

I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what other

people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

 

I have much more interest in my personal raw life style management,

my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

 

What someone else does is their own life.

 

I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you eat

raw do you smoke?

 

I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

people and condone mass murder?

 

Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over and

look at mine or anyone else's.

 

It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

really old book.

 

Margaret

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Blondy wrote:

> It will be okay

 

Blondy, this is the world's coolest answer ever.

It will be okay.

What a neat idea.

It will be okay.

 

Let's hope so.

 

Like I said before... make sure your own house is clean and smells

good before you go looking at someone else's....

 

Like the Book says: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

Sorry, Blondy, you started it...

I am sure you did it innocently, but lots of others don't.

 

On this list we are all humans. Yeah.

Humans are interesting creatures.

If you believe in God, then you believe that you were given free

will

Free will is a cool thing. You can do what you please.

Oops! You do what you please and you have to face the consequences.

 

What's really cool is that this concept ties into a lot of very

fundamental American ideas about freedom. (yeah, it's a free

country, but you will have to deal with what happens if you violate

my freedom-- have you noticed how your freedom to control your own

body is now being legislated once again-- check carefully, ladies...)

 

Never mind. What I eat should be my choice, shouldn't it? OOPS!! Not

according to the politicians in New York City! Those FAT (sorry, I

mean PORCINE, oh no, I mean OBESE, no, I mean POMPOUS... yes, that

word will do in this case) YO YOs (sorry, I don't have another word)

believe that they can legislate what is in the food that restaurants

serve. How STUPID is that?

People are going to eat what they want to eat.

If you won't let me eat fried food in a restaurant, I can make it at

home, can't I? I mean, are they going to come into my house? Well,

maybe that is on the way. Isn't that the way the pogroms in Europe

started? Slow abrogations of personal rights?

 

Everyone loves smashing Bush and Homeland Security, and maybe, just

maybe (forgive me for being very VERY cynical... oh! and I've just

learned to use this word after having it in my passive vocabulary

for eons), smashing Bush and Homeland Security is a cover for

sliding in worse controls. I mean... how dare you control what I can

buy to eat?

 

Ladies, let's think about what is next!!! (okay, boys, you can join

in too)... If they can tell us what we can and cannot eat in a

restaurant, it is a very short step to telling us what we can and

cannot ingest legally (do you take vitamins? where do you buy them?

Do you ingest/use " nutritional supplements " ? Do you realize that

these items are under fire by US government agencies which would

prefer to control them or even eliminate them?

Okay, so you don't use nutritional supplements... but ... would you

not want the freedom to do so should you choose to do so?

 

This all gets very interesting when we even start, at the most basic

level, to limit, or even criticize, the freedoms that others have

always been able to enjoy.

 

Just because you quit, or you never did doesn't mean that everyone

else has to.

 

Would you have half as much fun if all the people in the world were

diehard raw vegans? Of course not. There would be no fun in being a

raw vegan. It would be the way to go.

What if the Japanes suddenly decided to stop killing whales and

dolphins? Gee... no more fun... nothing to protest.

If someone *forced* you to be raw vegan, would you be as happy with

you lifestyle choice?

 

Okay... let's go to something we all (supposedly) believe in here:

raw food.

What if I don't belive in 80-10-10? Should I go out and shoot

myself? Should I quit the list? Should I feel FORCED to eat the

way you do?

 

What is the list climate suddenly swayed to 40-30-30? Should Tommie

become despondent adn find that her life no longer had meaning?

 

One of the fun things about living in the USA is that we pretty much

still have freedom over what we eat (freedom over what we do with

our bodies, as women, is being eroded even as I write)

 

If I have the freedom to eat as I do, that means that someone else

has the freedom to eat as she or he does. I do not get to be a food

nazi.

If I choose to call myself a raw foodist, you do not have the

freedom to come and say that I wear leather shoes and so I cannot be

a raw foodist...

This stuff is personal choice, and it should remain personal choice.

On this list, we should not be bashing people or discriminating

against those people who might be working their way toward nirvana.

 

*You* *are* working *your* own way toward nirvana, aren't you?

 

Why, in America, can I not have the same freedom people who are

*condemned* to the wheel of karma, and whose only out is nirvana

have?

 

I mean... who died and made a new god while I wasn't looking?

 

People who smoke are working on their own time table, as arepeople

who eat meat, and people who eat cooked food. People who are black

are working on their own timetable. Sure, why not? It's about the

same level, if you are working on political correctness.

 

Let's be politically correct ACROSS THE BOARD, folks.

 

Too many people seem to forget that, just because *they* think

something is ideal, that should be *enforced* across the board.

 

The scary thing is that such thinking grows, takes root, establishes

priority, and then begins to invade areas of life we never meant to

see it in.

 

60S and 70s people... be alert.. the freedoms we fought for are

being abrogated left and right by the PC police.

 

Those born in or after the 60s, ... be alert... freedoms we oldsters

fought for are being abrogated by your new and wonderful ideas about

political correctness. Freedoms you grew up *expecting* are

disappearing, not because of the government, but because of your own

apathy and *closed-mindedness* (yes, it is closed-minded to not

allow others to eat what they want to!!!)

 

Okay.

Got that off my chest.

Eat sugar if you want to... You have a right not to lie about it.

Margaret

 

> Margaret Gamez <mgamez

wrote: Blondy wrote:

>

> > I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw.

> just

> > wondering. i dont smoke my self.

>

> You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

> worried about what other people do?

>

> Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been

that

> way? Do you ever backslide?

>

> As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING

to

> do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me

vis a

> vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

>

> I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what other

> people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

>

> I have much more interest in my personal raw life style

management,

> my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

>

> What someone else does is their own life.

>

> I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

> How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you

eat

> raw do you smoke?

>

> I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

> people and condone mass murder?

>

> Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over

and

> look at mine or anyone else's.

>

> It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

> really old book.

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

 

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Funny, when I read that post, I thought she/he was asking about curing food by

smoking rather than by dehydrating -- thought it was a good question -- smoked

foods are not really cooked and not really raw -- somewhere in the middle? Can

you smoke fruits and veggies or nuts and seeds and would you even want to?

Guess my mind just works differently. Aloha.

 

-

Margaret Gamez

rawfood

Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:29 PM

[Raw Food] Re: Wondering

 

 

Blondy wrote:

> It will be okay

 

Blondy, this is the world's coolest answer ever.

It will be okay.

What a neat idea.

It will be okay.

 

Let's hope so.

 

Like I said before... make sure your own house is clean and smells

good before you go looking at someone else's....

 

Like the Book says: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

Sorry, Blondy, you started it...

I am sure you did it innocently, but lots of others don't.

 

On this list we are all humans. Yeah.

Humans are interesting creatures.

If you believe in God, then you believe that you were given free

will

Free will is a cool thing. You can do what you please.

Oops! You do what you please and you have to face the consequences.

 

What's really cool is that this concept ties into a lot of very

fundamental American ideas about freedom. (yeah, it's a free

country, but you will have to deal with what happens if you violate

my freedom-- have you noticed how your freedom to control your own

body is now being legislated once again-- check carefully, ladies...)

 

Never mind. What I eat should be my choice, shouldn't it? OOPS!! Not

according to the politicians in New York City! Those FAT (sorry, I

mean PORCINE, oh no, I mean OBESE, no, I mean POMPOUS... yes, that

word will do in this case) YO YOs (sorry, I don't have another word)

believe that they can legislate what is in the food that restaurants

serve. How STUPID is that?

People are going to eat what they want to eat.

If you won't let me eat fried food in a restaurant, I can make it at

home, can't I? I mean, are they going to come into my house? Well,

maybe that is on the way. Isn't that the way the pogroms in Europe

started? Slow abrogations of personal rights?

 

Everyone loves smashing Bush and Homeland Security, and maybe, just

maybe (forgive me for being very VERY cynical... oh! and I've just

learned to use this word after having it in my passive vocabulary

for eons), smashing Bush and Homeland Security is a cover for

sliding in worse controls. I mean... how dare you control what I can

buy to eat?

 

Ladies, let's think about what is next!!! (okay, boys, you can join

in too)... If they can tell us what we can and cannot eat in a

restaurant, it is a very short step to telling us what we can and

cannot ingest legally (do you take vitamins? where do you buy them?

Do you ingest/use " nutritional supplements " ? Do you realize that

these items are under fire by US government agencies which would

prefer to control them or even eliminate them?

Okay, so you don't use nutritional supplements... but ... would you

not want the freedom to do so should you choose to do so?

 

This all gets very interesting when we even start, at the most basic

level, to limit, or even criticize, the freedoms that others have

always been able to enjoy.

 

Just because you quit, or you never did doesn't mean that everyone

else has to.

 

Would you have half as much fun if all the people in the world were

diehard raw vegans? Of course not. There would be no fun in being a

raw vegan. It would be the way to go.

What if the Japanes suddenly decided to stop killing whales and

dolphins? Gee... no more fun... nothing to protest.

If someone *forced* you to be raw vegan, would you be as happy with

you lifestyle choice?

 

Okay... let's go to something we all (supposedly) believe in here:

raw food.

What if I don't belive in 80-10-10? Should I go out and shoot

myself? Should I quit the list? Should I feel FORCED to eat the

way you do?

 

What is the list climate suddenly swayed to 40-30-30? Should Tommie

become despondent adn find that her life no longer had meaning?

 

One of the fun things about living in the USA is that we pretty much

still have freedom over what we eat (freedom over what we do with

our bodies, as women, is being eroded even as I write)

 

If I have the freedom to eat as I do, that means that someone else

has the freedom to eat as she or he does. I do not get to be a food

nazi.

If I choose to call myself a raw foodist, you do not have the

freedom to come and say that I wear leather shoes and so I cannot be

a raw foodist...

This stuff is personal choice, and it should remain personal choice.

On this list, we should not be bashing people or discriminating

against those people who might be working their way toward nirvana.

 

*You* *are* working *your* own way toward nirvana, aren't you?

 

Why, in America, can I not have the same freedom people who are

*condemned* to the wheel of karma, and whose only out is nirvana

have?

 

I mean... who died and made a new god while I wasn't looking?

 

People who smoke are working on their own time table, as arepeople

who eat meat, and people who eat cooked food. People who are black

are working on their own timetable. Sure, why not? It's about the

same level, if you are working on political correctness.

 

Let's be politically correct ACROSS THE BOARD, folks.

 

Too many people seem to forget that, just because *they* think

something is ideal, that should be *enforced* across the board.

 

The scary thing is that such thinking grows, takes root, establishes

priority, and then begins to invade areas of life we never meant to

see it in.

 

60S and 70s people... be alert.. the freedoms we fought for are

being abrogated left and right by the PC police.

 

Those born in or after the 60s, ... be alert... freedoms we oldsters

fought for are being abrogated by your new and wonderful ideas about

political correctness. Freedoms you grew up *expecting* are

disappearing, not because of the government, but because of your own

apathy and *closed-mindedness* (yes, it is closed-minded to not

allow others to eat what they want to!!!)

 

Okay.

Got that off my chest.

Eat sugar if you want to... You have a right not to lie about it.

Margaret

 

> Margaret Gamez <mgamez

wrote: Blondy wrote:

>

> > I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw.

> just

> > wondering. i dont smoke my self.

>

> You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

> worried about what other people do?

>

> Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been

that

> way? Do you ever backslide?

>

> As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING

to

> do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me

vis a

> vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

>

> I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what other

> people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

>

> I have much more interest in my personal raw life style

management,

> my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

>

> What someone else does is their own life.

>

> I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

> How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you

eat

> raw do you smoke?

>

> I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

> people and condone mass murder?

>

> Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over

and

> look at mine or anyone else's.

>

> It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

> really old book.

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Ya. We all are just human. That's why I struggle with raw daily. I wish I was

strong willed. I find my self more motivated when I am sick and I know I have to

get better. When I found out Im cancer free, I decided ya know I am okay. I

stopped pushing so hard but I keep forgetting that preventing the worst is the

best thing to do.

 

Margaret Gamez <mgamez wrote:

Blondy wrote:

> It will be okay

 

Blondy, this is the world's coolest answer ever.

It will be okay.

What a neat idea.

It will be okay.

 

Let's hope so.

 

Like I said before... make sure your own house is clean and smells

good before you go looking at someone else's....

 

Like the Book says: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

Sorry, Blondy, you started it...

I am sure you did it innocently, but lots of others don't.

 

On this list we are all humans. Yeah.

Humans are interesting creatures.

If you believe in God, then you believe that you were given free

will

Free will is a cool thing. You can do what you please.

Oops! You do what you please and you have to face the consequences.

 

What's really cool is that this concept ties into a lot of very

fundamental American ideas about freedom. (yeah, it's a free

country, but you will have to deal with what happens if you violate

my freedom-- have you noticed how your freedom to control your own

body is now being legislated once again-- check carefully, ladies...)

 

Never mind. What I eat should be my choice, shouldn't it? OOPS!! Not

according to the politicians in New York City! Those FAT (sorry, I

mean PORCINE, oh no, I mean OBESE, no, I mean POMPOUS... yes, that

word will do in this case) YO YOs (sorry, I don't have another word)

believe that they can legislate what is in the food that restaurants

serve. How STUPID is that?

People are going to eat what they want to eat.

If you won't let me eat fried food in a restaurant, I can make it at

home, can't I? I mean, are they going to come into my house? Well,

maybe that is on the way. Isn't that the way the pogroms in Europe

started? Slow abrogations of personal rights?

 

Everyone loves smashing Bush and Homeland Security, and maybe, just

maybe (forgive me for being very VERY cynical... oh! and I've just

learned to use this word after having it in my passive vocabulary

for eons), smashing Bush and Homeland Security is a cover for

sliding in worse controls. I mean... how dare you control what I can

buy to eat?

 

Ladies, let's think about what is next!!! (okay, boys, you can join

in too)... If they can tell us what we can and cannot eat in a

restaurant, it is a very short step to telling us what we can and

cannot ingest legally (do you take vitamins? where do you buy them?

Do you ingest/use " nutritional supplements " ? Do you realize that

these items are under fire by US government agencies which would

prefer to control them or even eliminate them?

Okay, so you don't use nutritional supplements... but ... would you

not want the freedom to do so should you choose to do so?

 

This all gets very interesting when we even start, at the most basic

level, to limit, or even criticize, the freedoms that others have

always been able to enjoy.

 

Just because you quit, or you never did doesn't mean that everyone

else has to.

 

Would you have half as much fun if all the people in the world were

diehard raw vegans? Of course not. There would be no fun in being a

raw vegan. It would be the way to go.

What if the Japanes suddenly decided to stop killing whales and

dolphins? Gee... no more fun... nothing to protest.

If someone *forced* you to be raw vegan, would you be as happy with

you lifestyle choice?

 

Okay... let's go to something we all (supposedly) believe in here:

raw food.

What if I don't belive in 80-10-10? Should I go out and shoot

myself? Should I quit the list? Should I feel FORCED to eat the

way you do?

 

What is the list climate suddenly swayed to 40-30-30? Should Tommie

become despondent adn find that her life no longer had meaning?

 

One of the fun things about living in the USA is that we pretty much

still have freedom over what we eat (freedom over what we do with

our bodies, as women, is being eroded even as I write)

 

If I have the freedom to eat as I do, that means that someone else

has the freedom to eat as she or he does. I do not get to be a food

nazi.

If I choose to call myself a raw foodist, you do not have the

freedom to come and say that I wear leather shoes and so I cannot be

a raw foodist...

This stuff is personal choice, and it should remain personal choice.

On this list, we should not be bashing people or discriminating

against those people who might be working their way toward nirvana.

 

*You* *are* working *your* own way toward nirvana, aren't you?

 

Why, in America, can I not have the same freedom people who are

*condemned* to the wheel of karma, and whose only out is nirvana

have?

 

I mean... who died and made a new god while I wasn't looking?

 

People who smoke are working on their own time table, as arepeople

who eat meat, and people who eat cooked food. People who are black

are working on their own timetable. Sure, why not? It's about the

same level, if you are working on political correctness.

 

Let's be politically correct ACROSS THE BOARD, folks.

 

Too many people seem to forget that, just because *they* think

something is ideal, that should be *enforced* across the board.

 

The scary thing is that such thinking grows, takes root, establishes

priority, and then begins to invade areas of life we never meant to

see it in.

 

60S and 70s people... be alert.. the freedoms we fought for are

being abrogated left and right by the PC police.

 

Those born in or after the 60s, ... be alert... freedoms we oldsters

fought for are being abrogated by your new and wonderful ideas about

political correctness. Freedoms you grew up *expecting* are

disappearing, not because of the government, but because of your own

apathy and *closed-mindedness* (yes, it is closed-minded to not

allow others to eat what they want to!!!)

 

Okay.

Got that off my chest.

Eat sugar if you want to... You have a right not to lie about it.

Margaret

 

> Margaret Gamez <mgamez

wrote: Blondy wrote:

>

> > I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw.

> just

> > wondering. i dont smoke my self.

>

> You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

> worried about what other people do?

>

> Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been

that

> way? Do you ever backslide?

>

> As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING

to

> do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me

vis a

> vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

>

> I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what other

> people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

>

> I have much more interest in my personal raw life style

management,

> my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

>

> What someone else does is their own life.

>

> I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

> How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you

eat

> raw do you smoke?

>

> I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

> people and condone mass murder?

>

> Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over

and

> look at mine or anyone else's.

>

> It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

> really old book.

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Good morning, Margaret,

I must say I was surprised to find " What is the list climate suddenly

swayed to 40-30-30? Should Tommie become despondent and find that her

life no longer had meaning? " I thought the list climate was already

just about there. There are a few of us who lean toward 80/10/10 but

more advocate higher fat and/or " eat what you want as long as it's

raw. " Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the idea I get. And 80/10/10 is not

original with Dr. D. Even 80/10/10 vegan isn't original. I followed

that back in the late 70's through the teachings of Zane Kime of the

Weimar Institute. I slid back into SAD but I never looked/felt better

than I did then. What makes 80/10/10 unique with Dr. D. is that he

has added " raw " . Where the Kime plan used a lot of grains, 811rv uses

none. (I'll have to admit that I eat sweet corn when it's in season.)

That being said, Kime taught that grains should be thoroughly cooked.

And 80/10/10 raw vegan doesn't advise using the Master Cleanse or any

other type of trauma to the body.

 

As for coaches and their credentials, I don't know that credentials

would do it for me. It would be if the coach is following his/her own

teaching and is he/she healthy and successful as a result? Roger

Haeske was my coach, early on, and still is. The reason I was drawn

to him was because he was on the track of 811rv. I had never heard of

Frederic Patenaude or Dr. D. at that point. But I DID know about 80/

10/10 from my experience with the Kime plan and what he was advising

made perfect sense to me.

 

I'm probably veering away from the original intent of this post but I

was taken aback when I was used as an example.

 

Tommie

http://reallyrawfood.com

 

rawfood , " Margaret Gamez " <mgamez wrote:

>

> Blondy wrote:

> > It will be okay

>

> Blondy, this is the world's coolest answer ever.

> It will be okay.

> What a neat idea.

> It will be okay.

>

> Let's hope so.

>

> Like I said before... make sure your own house is clean and smells

> good before you go looking at someone else's....

>

> Like the Book says: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

>

> Sorry, Blondy, you started it...

> I am sure you did it innocently, but lots of others don't.

>

> On this list we are all humans. Yeah.

> Humans are interesting creatures.

> If you believe in God, then you believe that you were given free

> will

> Free will is a cool thing. You can do what you please.

> Oops! You do what you please and you have to face the consequences.

>

> What's really cool is that this concept ties into a lot of very

> fundamental American ideas about freedom. (yeah, it's a free

> country, but you will have to deal with what happens if you violate

> my freedom-- have you noticed how your freedom to control your own

> body is now being legislated once again-- check carefully,

ladies...)

>

> Never mind. What I eat should be my choice, shouldn't it? OOPS!!

Not

> according to the politicians in New York City! Those FAT (sorry, I

> mean PORCINE, oh no, I mean OBESE, no, I mean POMPOUS... yes, that

> word will do in this case) YO YOs (sorry, I don't have another

word)

> believe that they can legislate what is in the food that

restaurants

> serve. How STUPID is that?

> People are going to eat what they want to eat.

> If you won't let me eat fried food in a restaurant, I can make it

at

> home, can't I? I mean, are they going to come into my house? Well,

> maybe that is on the way. Isn't that the way the pogroms in Europe

> started? Slow abrogations of personal rights?

>

> Everyone loves smashing Bush and Homeland Security, and maybe, just

> maybe (forgive me for being very VERY cynical... oh! and I've just

> learned to use this word after having it in my passive vocabulary

> for eons), smashing Bush and Homeland Security is a cover for

> sliding in worse controls. I mean... how dare you control what I

can

> buy to eat?

>

> Ladies, let's think about what is next!!! (okay, boys, you can join

> in too)... If they can tell us what we can and cannot eat in a

> restaurant, it is a very short step to telling us what we can and

> cannot ingest legally (do you take vitamins? where do you buy them?

> Do you ingest/use " nutritional supplements " ? Do you realize that

> these items are under fire by US government agencies which would

> prefer to control them or even eliminate them?

> Okay, so you don't use nutritional supplements... but ... would you

> not want the freedom to do so should you choose to do so?

>

> This all gets very interesting when we even start, at the most

basic

> level, to limit, or even criticize, the freedoms that others have

> always been able to enjoy.

>

> Just because you quit, or you never did doesn't mean that everyone

> else has to.

>

> Would you have half as much fun if all the people in the world were

> diehard raw vegans? Of course not. There would be no fun in being a

> raw vegan. It would be the way to go.

> What if the Japanes suddenly decided to stop killing whales and

> dolphins? Gee... no more fun... nothing to protest.

> If someone *forced* you to be raw vegan, would you be as happy with

> you lifestyle choice?

>

> Okay... let's go to something we all (supposedly) believe in here:

> raw food.

> What if I don't belive in 80-10-10? Should I go out and shoot

> myself? Should I quit the list? Should I feel FORCED to eat the

> way you do?

>

> What is the list climate suddenly swayed to 40-30-30? Should

Tommie

> become despondent adn find that her life no longer had meaning?

>

> One of the fun things about living in the USA is that we pretty

much

> still have freedom over what we eat (freedom over what we do with

> our bodies, as women, is being eroded even as I write)

>

> If I have the freedom to eat as I do, that means that someone else

> has the freedom to eat as she or he does. I do not get to be a food

> nazi.

> If I choose to call myself a raw foodist, you do not have the

> freedom to come and say that I wear leather shoes and so I cannot

be

> a raw foodist...

> This stuff is personal choice, and it should remain personal choice.

> On this list, we should not be bashing people or discriminating

> against those people who might be working their way toward nirvana.

>

> *You* *are* working *your* own way toward nirvana, aren't you?

>

> Why, in America, can I not have the same freedom people who are

> *condemned* to the wheel of karma, and whose only out is nirvana

> have?

>

> I mean... who died and made a new god while I wasn't looking?

>

> People who smoke are working on their own time table, as arepeople

> who eat meat, and people who eat cooked food. People who are black

> are working on their own timetable. Sure, why not? It's about the

> same level, if you are working on political correctness.

>

> Let's be politically correct ACROSS THE BOARD, folks.

>

> Too many people seem to forget that, just because *they* think

> something is ideal, that should be *enforced* across the board.

>

> The scary thing is that such thinking grows, takes root,

establishes

> priority, and then begins to invade areas of life we never meant to

> see it in.

>

> 60S and 70s people... be alert.. the freedoms we fought for are

> being abrogated left and right by the PC police.

>

> Those born in or after the 60s, ... be alert... freedoms we

oldsters

> fought for are being abrogated by your new and wonderful ideas

about

> political correctness. Freedoms you grew up *expecting* are

> disappearing, not because of the government, but because of your

own

> apathy and *closed-mindedness* (yes, it is closed-minded to not

> allow others to eat what they want to!!!)

>

> Okay.

> Got that off my chest.

> Eat sugar if you want to... You have a right not to lie about it.

> Margaret

>

> > Margaret Gamez <mgamez@>

> wrote: Blondy wrote:

> >

> > > I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt

raw.

> > just

> > > wondering. i dont smoke my self.

> >

> > You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

> > worried about what other people do?

> >

> > Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been

> that

> > way? Do you ever backslide?

> >

> > As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING

> to

> > do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me

> vis a

> > vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

> >

> > I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what

other

> > people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

> >

> > I have much more interest in my personal raw life style

> management,

> > my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

> >

> > What someone else does is their own life.

> >

> > I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

> > How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you

> eat

> > raw do you smoke?

> >

> > I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

> > people and condone mass murder?

> >

> > Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over

> and

> > look at mine or anyone else's.

> >

> > It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

> > really old book.

> >

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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it is nice for someone to realize we are all human! Obviously everyone on here

doesn't always agree with what someone else says or does but can someone explain

to me why things always turn negative? I like learning from everyone on here but

sometimes the negativity is overwhelming.

 

Blondy <trinity082482 wrote: Ya. We all are just human.

That's why I struggle with raw daily. I wish I was strong willed. I find my self

more motivated when I am sick and I know I have to get better. When I found out

Im cancer free, I decided ya know I am okay. I stopped pushing so hard but I

keep forgetting that preventing the worst is the best thing to do.

 

Margaret Gamez <mgamez wrote: Blondy wrote:

> It will be okay

 

Blondy, this is the world's coolest answer ever.

It will be okay.

What a neat idea.

It will be okay.

 

Let's hope so.

 

Like I said before... make sure your own house is clean and smells

good before you go looking at someone else's....

 

Like the Book says: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

Sorry, Blondy, you started it...

I am sure you did it innocently, but lots of others don't.

 

On this list we are all humans. Yeah.

Humans are interesting creatures.

If you believe in God, then you believe that you were given free

will

Free will is a cool thing. You can do what you please.

Oops! You do what you please and you have to face the consequences.

 

What's really cool is that this concept ties into a lot of very

fundamental American ideas about freedom. (yeah, it's a free

country, but you will have to deal with what happens if you violate

my freedom-- have you noticed how your freedom to control your own

body is now being legislated once again-- check carefully, ladies...)

 

Never mind. What I eat should be my choice, shouldn't it? OOPS!! Not

according to the politicians in New York City! Those FAT (sorry, I

mean PORCINE, oh no, I mean OBESE, no, I mean POMPOUS... yes, that

word will do in this case) YO YOs (sorry, I don't have another word)

believe that they can legislate what is in the food that restaurants

serve. How STUPID is that?

People are going to eat what they want to eat.

If you won't let me eat fried food in a restaurant, I can make it at

home, can't I? I mean, are they going to come into my house? Well,

maybe that is on the way. Isn't that the way the pogroms in Europe

started? Slow abrogations of personal rights?

 

Everyone loves smashing Bush and Homeland Security, and maybe, just

maybe (forgive me for being very VERY cynical... oh! and I've just

learned to use this word after having it in my passive vocabulary

for eons), smashing Bush and Homeland Security is a cover for

sliding in worse controls. I mean... how dare you control what I can

buy to eat?

 

Ladies, let's think about what is next!!! (okay, boys, you can join

in too)... If they can tell us what we can and cannot eat in a

restaurant, it is a very short step to telling us what we can and

cannot ingest legally (do you take vitamins? where do you buy them?

Do you ingest/use " nutritional supplements " ? Do you realize that

these items are under fire by US government agencies which would

prefer to control them or even eliminate them?

Okay, so you don't use nutritional supplements... but ... would you

not want the freedom to do so should you choose to do so?

 

This all gets very interesting when we even start, at the most basic

level, to limit, or even criticize, the freedoms that others have

always been able to enjoy.

 

Just because you quit, or you never did doesn't mean that everyone

else has to.

 

Would you have half as much fun if all the people in the world were

diehard raw vegans? Of course not. There would be no fun in being a

raw vegan. It would be the way to go.

What if the Japanes suddenly decided to stop killing whales and

dolphins? Gee... no more fun... nothing to protest.

If someone *forced* you to be raw vegan, would you be as happy with

you lifestyle choice?

 

Okay... let's go to something we all (supposedly) believe in here:

raw food.

What if I don't belive in 80-10-10? Should I go out and shoot

myself? Should I quit the list? Should I feel FORCED to eat the

way you do?

 

What is the list climate suddenly swayed to 40-30-30? Should Tommie

become despondent adn find that her life no longer had meaning?

 

One of the fun things about living in the USA is that we pretty much

still have freedom over what we eat (freedom over what we do with

our bodies, as women, is being eroded even as I write)

 

If I have the freedom to eat as I do, that means that someone else

has the freedom to eat as she or he does. I do not get to be a food

nazi.

If I choose to call myself a raw foodist, you do not have the

freedom to come and say that I wear leather shoes and so I cannot be

a raw foodist...

This stuff is personal choice, and it should remain personal choice.

On this list, we should not be bashing people or discriminating

against those people who might be working their way toward nirvana.

 

*You* *are* working *your* own way toward nirvana, aren't you?

 

Why, in America, can I not have the same freedom people who are

*condemned* to the wheel of karma, and whose only out is nirvana

have?

 

I mean... who died and made a new god while I wasn't looking?

 

People who smoke are working on their own time table, as arepeople

who eat meat, and people who eat cooked food. People who are black

are working on their own timetable. Sure, why not? It's about the

same level, if you are working on political correctness.

 

Let's be politically correct ACROSS THE BOARD, folks.

 

Too many people seem to forget that, just because *they* think

something is ideal, that should be *enforced* across the board.

 

The scary thing is that such thinking grows, takes root, establishes

priority, and then begins to invade areas of life we never meant to

see it in.

 

60S and 70s people... be alert.. the freedoms we fought for are

being abrogated left and right by the PC police.

 

Those born in or after the 60s, ... be alert... freedoms we oldsters

fought for are being abrogated by your new and wonderful ideas about

political correctness. Freedoms you grew up *expecting* are

disappearing, not because of the government, but because of your own

apathy and *closed-mindedness* (yes, it is closed-minded to not

allow others to eat what they want to!!!)

 

Okay.

Got that off my chest.

Eat sugar if you want to... You have a right not to lie about it.

Margaret

 

> Margaret Gamez <mgamez

wrote: Blondy wrote:

>

> > I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw.

> just

> > wondering. i dont smoke my self.

>

> You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

> worried about what other people do?

>

> Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been

that

> way? Do you ever backslide?

>

> As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING

to

> do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me

vis a

> vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

>

> I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what other

> people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

>

> I have much more interest in my personal raw life style

management,

> my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

>

> What someone else does is their own life.

>

> I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

> How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you

eat

> raw do you smoke?

>

> I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

> people and condone mass murder?

>

> Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over

and

> look at mine or anyone else's.

>

> It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

> really old book.

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

 

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Let's all bring in the New Year toasting to the fact that we are indeed

human, that we have the best intentions, and that through our diversity, we

learn more than we ever could otherwise. Blissed be, Annie

 

On 1/2/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote:

>

> it is nice for someone to realize we are all human! Obviously everyone

> on here doesn't always agree with what someone else says or does but can

> someone explain to me why things always turn negative? I like learning from

> everyone on here but sometimes the negativity is overwhelming.

>

> Blondy <trinity082482 <trinity082482%40.ca>> wrote: Ya. We

> all are just human. That's why I struggle with raw daily. I wish I was

> strong willed. I find my self more motivated when I am sick and I know I

> have to get better. When I found out Im cancer free, I decided ya know I am

> okay. I stopped pushing so hard but I keep forgetting that preventing the

> worst is the best thing to do.

>

> Margaret Gamez <mgamez <mgamez%40nyc.rr.com>> wrote: Blondy

> wrote:

> > It will be okay

>

> Blondy, this is the world's coolest answer ever.

> It will be okay.

> What a neat idea.

> It will be okay.

>

> Let's hope so.

>

> Like I said before... make sure your own house is clean and smells

> good before you go looking at someone else's....

>

> Like the Book says: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

>

> Sorry, Blondy, you started it...

> I am sure you did it innocently, but lots of others don't.

>

> On this list we are all humans. Yeah.

> Humans are interesting creatures.

> If you believe in God, then you believe that you were given free

> will

> Free will is a cool thing. You can do what you please.

> Oops! You do what you please and you have to face the consequences.

>

> What's really cool is that this concept ties into a lot of very

> fundamental American ideas about freedom. (yeah, it's a free

> country, but you will have to deal with what happens if you violate

> my freedom-- have you noticed how your freedom to control your own

> body is now being legislated once again-- check carefully, ladies...)

>

> Never mind. What I eat should be my choice, shouldn't it? OOPS!! Not

> according to the politicians in New York City! Those FAT (sorry, I

> mean PORCINE, oh no, I mean OBESE, no, I mean POMPOUS... yes, that

> word will do in this case) YO YOs (sorry, I don't have another word)

> believe that they can legislate what is in the food that restaurants

> serve. How STUPID is that?

> People are going to eat what they want to eat.

> If you won't let me eat fried food in a restaurant, I can make it at

> home, can't I? I mean, are they going to come into my house? Well,

> maybe that is on the way. Isn't that the way the pogroms in Europe

> started? Slow abrogations of personal rights?

>

> Everyone loves smashing Bush and Homeland Security, and maybe, just

> maybe (forgive me for being very VERY cynical... oh! and I've just

> learned to use this word after having it in my passive vocabulary

> for eons), smashing Bush and Homeland Security is a cover for

> sliding in worse controls. I mean... how dare you control what I can

> buy to eat?

>

> Ladies, let's think about what is next!!! (okay, boys, you can join

> in too)... If they can tell us what we can and cannot eat in a

> restaurant, it is a very short step to telling us what we can and

> cannot ingest legally (do you take vitamins? where do you buy them?

> Do you ingest/use " nutritional supplements " ? Do you realize that

> these items are under fire by US government agencies which would

> prefer to control them or even eliminate them?

> Okay, so you don't use nutritional supplements... but ... would you

> not want the freedom to do so should you choose to do so?

>

> This all gets very interesting when we even start, at the most basic

> level, to limit, or even criticize, the freedoms that others have

> always been able to enjoy.

>

> Just because you quit, or you never did doesn't mean that everyone

> else has to.

>

> Would you have half as much fun if all the people in the world were

> diehard raw vegans? Of course not. There would be no fun in being a

> raw vegan. It would be the way to go.

> What if the Japanes suddenly decided to stop killing whales and

> dolphins? Gee... no more fun... nothing to protest.

> If someone *forced* you to be raw vegan, would you be as happy with

> you lifestyle choice?

>

> Okay... let's go to something we all (supposedly) believe in here:

> raw food.

> What if I don't belive in 80-10-10? Should I go out and shoot

> myself? Should I quit the list? Should I feel FORCED to eat the

> way you do?

>

> What is the list climate suddenly swayed to 40-30-30? Should Tommie

> become despondent adn find that her life no longer had meaning?

>

> One of the fun things about living in the USA is that we pretty much

> still have freedom over what we eat (freedom over what we do with

> our bodies, as women, is being eroded even as I write)

>

> If I have the freedom to eat as I do, that means that someone else

> has the freedom to eat as she or he does. I do not get to be a food

> nazi.

> If I choose to call myself a raw foodist, you do not have the

> freedom to come and say that I wear leather shoes and so I cannot be

> a raw foodist...

> This stuff is personal choice, and it should remain personal choice.

> On this list, we should not be bashing people or discriminating

> against those people who might be working their way toward nirvana.

>

> *You* *are* working *your* own way toward nirvana, aren't you?

>

> Why, in America, can I not have the same freedom people who are

> *condemned* to the wheel of karma, and whose only out is nirvana

> have?

>

> I mean... who died and made a new god while I wasn't looking?

>

> People who smoke are working on their own time table, as arepeople

> who eat meat, and people who eat cooked food. People who are black

> are working on their own timetable. Sure, why not? It's about the

> same level, if you are working on political correctness.

>

> Let's be politically correct ACROSS THE BOARD, folks.

>

> Too many people seem to forget that, just because *they* think

> something is ideal, that should be *enforced* across the board.

>

> The scary thing is that such thinking grows, takes root, establishes

> priority, and then begins to invade areas of life we never meant to

> see it in.

>

> 60S and 70s people... be alert.. the freedoms we fought for are

> being abrogated left and right by the PC police.

>

> Those born in or after the 60s, ... be alert... freedoms we oldsters

> fought for are being abrogated by your new and wonderful ideas about

> political correctness. Freedoms you grew up *expecting* are

> disappearing, not because of the government, but because of your own

> apathy and *closed-mindedness* (yes, it is closed-minded to not

> allow others to eat what they want to!!!)

>

> Okay.

> Got that off my chest.

> Eat sugar if you want to... You have a right not to lie about it.

> Margaret

>

> > Margaret Gamez <mgamez

> wrote: Blondy wrote:

> >

> > > I always wondered.. do 100% raw people smoke? smoking isnt raw.

> > just

> > > wondering. i dont smoke my self.

> >

> > You don't smoke. Good. Isn't that enough for you? Why are you so

> > worried about what other people do?

> >

> > Is your diet 100% raw vegan? Are you sure? How long has it been

> that

> > way? Do you ever backslide?

> >

> > As far as I can see, what other people do has absolutely NOTHING

> to

> > do with what I do. What I do is the most important thing to me

> vis a

> > vis my personal lifestyle and my personal health.

> >

> > I really do not have time to sit around worrying about what other

> > people do. That is THEIR life, not mine.

> >

> > I have much more interest in my personal raw life style

> management,

> > my struggles with cravings, my temptations, my successes, etc.

> >

> > What someone else does is their own life.

> >

> > I cannot even speak for Osama Bin Laden.

> > How can I come out and ask such a weird question like... if you

> eat

> > raw do you smoke?

> >

> > I mean, if you follow God's laws, can you indiscriminately kill

> > people and condone mass murder?

> >

> > Please make sure your own house is spotless before you come over

> and

> > look at mine or anyone else's.

> >

> > It seems to me I read something similar to that somewhere in a

> > really old book.

> >

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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