coconut butter vs coconut oil

[Guest guest]

Right after buying coconut butter from One Lucky Duck, I saw that

Memhet Oz (coauthor of " YOU--the Owner's Manual) recommends staying

away from coconut oil to avoid heart disease. While I don't have heart

disease, it does run in my family and I'm trying to avoid anything

that would tempt the fates. So should I skip the coconut butter?

 

Would appreciate your feedback.

 

Peace,

Maria

[Guest guest]

Maria wrote:

> Memhet Oz recommends staying away from coconut oil to avoid heart

> disease.

<snip>

> I'm trying to avoid anything that would tempt the fates.

> So should I skip the coconut butter?

 

I don't know what else you might be eating.

Ann Wigmore's books recommend coconut oil left and right.

I think that, if you are (really) eating a healthy raw diet, coconut

oil should not be a problem. I mean, how much coconut oil are you

planning to consume in a day?

 

I don't know why you bought at One Lucky Duck - I only know about them

because of the book.... I have eaten at Pure Food and Wine, and I

would imagine that their DELICIOUS, SCRUMPTIOUS, FABULOUS, MARVELOUS,

DIVINE recipes do not closely correspond to anyone's idea of raw food

combining....

(but they are really great for introducing people to

the concept of raw foods, as is the fare at most raw food

restaurants that I would return to, i.e., there is only one that

I won't go back to, and that's just because I can make a salad at

home for a lot less than $7.00!!! If I am going to eat out, blast

the rules!! I want something fun that I am not going to be willing

to make at home, and that my non-raw friends will enjoy, too.)

 

If you are using coconut oil to make salad dressing, or to make

" mayonnaise " (I tried that once, but it didn't work for me) or to make

something that will stay hard at a cool temperature, like icing,

unless you are going to be scarfing down 1/4 cup-worth at a sitting,

on a regular basis (like, for example, morning, noon, and night; or

once a day), you are probably going to be okay.

 

I have coconut oil in the house, but I just haven't found the recipe

(except for cosmetic applications) that I wanted to use it with on any

regular basis -- I made an icing that was quite nice and put it on

cookies, for a party for non-raw people, but I don't make cookies or

cakes that often. (I'm glad it doesn't get rancid very fast... I don't

relish tossing that much money)

 

The bottom line:

If you are just going to use the coconut oil sparingly (as you would

mayonnaise), or sporadically (as you might use icing on cakes --

unless, of course, you are serving cake every day, and eating 5

slices), you are probably okay with coconut oil. (Ann Wigmore would

probably still be with us, and eating things made with coconut oil,

had there not been a fire in her house)

 

Of course, if you don't want to eat it, you can a) use it as a

moisturizer or b) send it to me <grin>

 

Margaret

[Guest guest]

I'm not entirely sure what this Oz persons reasoning was, but there are

hydrogenated coconut oils used in a lot of commercial cooking (or was

rather) and regular coconut oil. ANYTHING hydrogenated in terms of edible

oils is bad i think, though I am no expert.

 

Also, coconut oil IS a saturated fat, which at first glance sounds bad as we

relate it tothe artery clogging effects of animal fat. Coconut oil's makeup

however is very different, which constitutes the difference of being good

for you, and bad for you.

 

My advice would be to not take a single sources word for anything in terms

of health. Do your research and be sure to look at current relevant studies

and data.

 

My personal take on coconut oil is that it is very good for you, from the

studies and research I have read There is a ton online if you search it

out.

 

Crista

 

 

On 05/02/07, Margaret Gamez <mgamez wrote:

>

> Maria wrote:

> > Memhet Oz recommends staying away from coconut oil to avoid heart

> > disease.

> <snip>

> > I'm trying to avoid anything that would tempt the fates.

> > So should I skip the coconut butter?

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is a great article on saturated fats:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/

skinny.html

 

 

" The Cause and Treatment of Heart Disease

 

The cause of heart disease is not animal fats and cholesterol but rather a

number of

factors inherent in modern diets, including excess consumption of vegetables

oils and

hydrogenated fats; excess consumption of refined carbohydrates in the form of

sugar and

white flour; mineral deficiencies, particularly low levels of protective

magnesium and

iodine; deficiencies of vitamins, particularly of vitamin C, needed for the

integrity of the

blood vessel walls, and of antioxidants like selenium and vitamin E, which

protect us from

free radicals; and, finally, the disappearance of antimicrobial fats from the

food supply,

namely, animal fats and tropical oils.52 These once protected us against the

kinds of

viruses and bacteria that have been associated with the onset of pathogenic

plaque

leading to heart disease.

 

While serum cholesterol levels provide an inaccurate indication of future heart

disease, a

high level of a substance called homocysteine in the blood has been positively

correlated

with pathological buildup of plaque in the arteries and the tendency to form

clots—a

deadly combination. Folic acid, vitamin B6, vitamin B12 and choline are

nutrients that

lower serum homocysteine levels.53 These nutrients are found mostly in animal

foods.

 

The best way to treat heart disease, then, is not to focus on lowering

cholesterol—either

by drugs or diet—but to consume a diet that provides animal foods rich in

vitamins B6 and

B12; to bolster thyroid function by daily use of natural sea salt, a good source

of usable

iodine; to avoid vitamin and mineral deficiencies that make the artery walls

more prone to

ruptures and the buildup of plaque; to include the antimicrobial fats in the

diet; and to

eliminate processed foods containing refined carbohydrates, oxidized cholesterol

and

free-radical-containing vegetable oils that cause the body to need constant

repair. "

 

B12 and B6 are extremely important and impossible to get enough of on a vegan

diet, so

find a good supplement. Elevatedr homocystein levels also increase or potential

for not

only heart disease, but deterioration of arteries, nerves and hearing loss.

Something to

read up on.

 

 

rawfood , " Margaret Gamez " <mgamez wrote:

>

> Maria wrote:

> > Memhet Oz recommends staying away from coconut oil to avoid heart

> > disease.

> <snip>

> > I'm trying to avoid anything that would tempt the fates.

> > So should I skip the coconut butter?

>

[Guest guest]

" The best way to treat heart disease, then, is not to focus on lowering

cholesterol—either

by drugs or diet—but to consume a diet that provides animal foods rich in

vitamins B6 and "

 

Are you aware that this is a raw VEGAN group?

 

Please explain why you are posting an article that

recommends the above quoted excerpt? And why

you consider it " great " ?

 

tev

 

 

borneo626 <ashleah_brack wrote:

This is a great article on saturated fats:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/

skinny.html

 

" The Cause and Treatment of Heart Disease

 

The cause of heart disease is not animal fats and cholesterol but rather a

number of

factors inherent in modern diets, including excess consumption of vegetables

oils and

hydrogenated fats; excess consumption of refined carbohydrates in the form of

sugar and

white flour; mineral deficiencies, particularly low levels of protective

magnesium and

iodine; deficiencies of vitamins, particularly of vitamin C, needed for the

integrity of the

blood vessel walls, and of antioxidants like selenium and vitamin E, which

protect us from

free radicals; and, finally, the disappearance of antimicrobial fats from the

food supply,

namely, animal fats and tropical oils.52 These once protected us against the

kinds of

viruses and bacteria that have been associated with the onset of pathogenic

plaque

leading to heart disease.

 

 

 

 

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rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote:

>

> " The best way to treat heart disease, then, is not to focus on lowering

cholesterol—either

> by drugs or diet—but to consume a diet that provides animal foods rich in

vitamins B6 and

"

>

> Are you aware that this is a raw VEGAN group?

>

> Please explain why you are posting an article that

> recommends the above quoted excerpt? And why

> you consider it " great " ?

>

> tev

>

 

Tev,

 

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