Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 I think it's one of the scars in our culture that we have too high an opinion of ourselves. We align ourselves with the angels instead of the higher primates. — ANGELA CARTER - Dr John Wedderburn <john Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:10 pm Elephant Polo aapn > Usually, as Moderator, I stand back and let others do the arguing. > But I > need to join in the fray on this issue. > I fully understand the good intentions of those who have been > working to > introduce ankus-free polo matches. But the exploitation of these > magnificent beasts is unacceptable whether or not an ankus is used > on > the field. > The use of these wonderful animals for human entertainment is > absolutely > wrong in principle. > Ms Townend says, " the 15-20 private companies which hold polo > matches > in Jaipur every season ........... cannot be prevented at present > from > holding these matches. " I am sure Ms Townend would agree that if > they > could be prevented altogether that would be preferable to making > them > ankus-free. > I believe they can be prevented if everyone unites. > Let's unite! > John Wedderburn, Asian Animal Protection Network. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 >Ms Townend says, " the 15-20 private companies which hold polo matches >in Jaipur every season ........... cannot be prevented at present from >holding these matches. " I am sure Ms Townend would agree that if they >could be prevented altogether that would be preferable to making them >ankus-free. >I believe they can be prevented if everyone unites. >Let's unite! >John Wedderburn, Asian Animal Protection Network. Let me point out that Christine Townend has been in Jaipur for most of 15 years, working like hell to get the elephant use industry to accept humane help in any form. Her introduction of elephant care workshops in 2001 was gradually albeit grudgingly accepted, and gave her first-hand inside knowledge of what it takes to accomplish things to help elephants here & now, not just in a distant ideal future in which practices such as elephant polo are banned. The elephants now in Jaipur gain nothing if Christine Townend joins an international boycott and is thereby ousted from her position of being able to help them. The elephants do gain if Townend successfully demonstrates that they can do their work without being goaded by the ankus. Bear in mind that the elephant polo match in question is basically a demonstration of handling methods which can be used in many other circumstances where elephants are used. There is no rational, reasonable, or logical reason to expect Townend to march in lockstep with those who are on the outside trying to ban elephant use. Her work is inside, to reduce elephant suffering until such time as elephant use is banned. Her work in no way prevents or inhibits the work of those on the outside, and it does help the elephants who at present are going to be used, one way or another, regardless of what position she personally takes. -- Merritt Clifton Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE P.O. Box 960 Clinton, WA 98236 Telephone: 360-579-2505 Fax: 360-579-2575 E-mail: anmlpepl Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; for free sample, send address.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Under Indian laws cruelty in any form is an offence. But animal laws are low on priority because of the system. If we join together and go to the court I am sure we wont have to waste another 15 years. Will CARTIER fund the expenses of hiring an advocate ? Awareness is not for offenders, its for children, for elephant abusers its the PCA Act 1960. Regards, Azam Siddiqui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Dear AAPN Subscribers, First, I apologise for there being no posts for a couple of days then a flood today - I had to do a quick trip to USA. Second, Elephant Polo: It is unfortunate that some e-mails, including my call for unity, were expressed in a way that caused others to take offence - this is very easy to do in the e-mail medium and we must all do our best to avoid it. On this forum we are all on the same side and we should discuss rationally and with manners how best to proceed in any given circumstance. Third, may I take this opportunity of saying that I hope as many as possible of you can come to the AfA Conference. Being able to put a face to an e-mail is a great help in understanding. John, Moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Eti, Great job. Well done. We have to make sure that we keep the pressure. This not a 'Here today, gone tomorrow' campaign. We also have to keep in mind what Mr Vivek Menon of Wildlife Trust of India said about the Jaipur elephants in Madras, ie., the eventual aim should be to move them out of the state. Going by the Rajasthan Chief Minister's statement, it is apparent that the proposed elephant shelter 'Hathi Gaon' is meant to be more of a tourist attraction than a secluded retiring sanctuary. Tourists and rescue centres do not go well together. If you read Hindustan Times you will surely realise the kind of questions that have been raised on her credibility and rightly so. Always bear in mind that we are being watched as keenly as we are watching them. But at least we should be grateful that we are being spared the trouble of forwarding messages since there are others who are doing that for us. I can almost see the 'Forward' button being clicked twice whenever an elephant polo message appears on AAPN; one message is sent to London, the other to Jaipur. I reckon that is very efficient monitoring. Keep the good work. Best wishes, Yours sincerely, On 3/5/07, etivyas <etivyas wrote: > > Rajasthan government organised the much awaited Elephant Festival in > Jaipur on 3rd March. Tug of war, elephant beauty contest and > Elephant polo were the major attractions of the festival. Despite > the worldwide objections on Elephant polo Tourism Department of > Rajasthan organised this event in order to attract more tourists in > Rajasthan. > Being an animal rights person I went to the venue (Chaugaan Stadium) > just to observe what the elephants go through during such events. > And I observed that the poor elephants are forced to do things which > is neither in their capacity nor liked by them. Elephants are giant > beings and running behind a ball is a difficult task for them. > During the polo match one could make out that the elephants were > not interested in chasing the ball, they were so confused > most of the times that they flocked in a group in the middle of the > ground. It showed how clueless the poor creatures were all the time. > Elephant polo is criticised worldwide by all major animal welfare > groups including Peta, . During the Cartier Elephant polo all the > major Animal Welfare Organisations had come forward to protest > against it. There was a big protest on the day of the match and many > animal right activists including myself got arrested by Police. > In AFA 07 a resolution was passed by all the members it was , " To > ban use of animals in entertainment. " That ways elephant polo is a > sport organised purely for the entertainment of the tourists and the > aristrocrates. But, still this match was organised because AWBI > supported the event. If I am not wrong every time when animals are > to perform in a movie, entertainment activity etc the organisers of > the event are supposed to take a written permission from AWBI. If > AWBI grants the permission then only they can use the animals. > The major responsibility of AWBI is to save animals from cruel > practices and I think there are enough examples to support the fact > that elephant polo is a cruel sport. > There are two issues first AWBI should not support such activities > which involve un-necessary torture of the gentle giants. > Secondly as far as I know in most of the government functions no > permission is taken from AWBI for the public performance of animals, > still no action is taken against the organisers of such > events who disobey the AWBI mandates. > I think the role of AWBI is very crucial in this respect. They can > put a check on cruel events like elephant polo by not giving the > required permission to the organisers. Then we can stop such events > easily. > I further want to say that elephants are shedule-I animals they may > be captive but they are still wild animals and anything which is > done against their will and instinct can turn out to be > fatal for both elephants as well as humans. > I would like to thank all those who have raised a voice against this > cruel sport and hope they will continue to support us in order to > ban this sport for ever. > > kindly visit the links below to see the event -: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6745387741993546559 & pr=goog- > sl > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4726011602199345341 & pr=goog- > sl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Eti, after reading your email I was reminded of a story that I had read when I was in school!! A city close to the sea had a huge wall built around it because it was slightly lower than the sea level, basically to block the water. Once a young boy saw water leaking in through a small hole. He quickly put his finger and blocked the flow of water. He sat there braving the darkness and the cold untill the next morning when people saw him and applauded him for what he had done. The reason?? Because if he had walked away that day, with the force of the gushing water, the hole would have become bigger and bigger, until it finally gave way and all the people in the city would have been killed! Unlike him, here people seemed to have walked away from the problem giving an opportunity for elephant polo lovers to push harder and broaden their scope within this country and in the rest of the world! With no one standing up for them this time, we have not only made a fool out of ourselves, I INFACT THINK WE OWE AN APOLOGY TO CARTIER! WHY DID THE GROUPS OPPOSE ELEPHANT POLO THEN AND NOT NOW? Because this time it was not Cartier or some big shot sponsoring the event?Because shah rukh khan was not at the venue? Because other well known people were not there? No large scale international media? Or is it because, THESE ELEPHANTS WERE NOT WORTH BEING SAVED? Having studied elephants to quite an extent I completely back your statements Eti. As I have mentioned many a times earlier, on one hand they are wild and not meant to be paraded before humans in a city; more importantly they are highly intelligent, emotional and so human-like that such forced acts by us is beyond cruelty, its being in-human or should I now say in-'elephant' like because I have second thoughts on what a 'human' is! When ever I have been abroad I have prided in the fact that people told me " Indians love animals very much, for you people they are Gods right? " ! I guess this is soon going to change! We are allowing an opportunity for these weeds to re surface here and if we do, they will basically grow through the place and choke us before we could do any sort of a damage control! A lot of groups could be angry at what we have had to say and may have many explanations to give, but i guess no explanations can ever explain that we have back stabbed my elephants on the 3rd of March in Rajasthan! I was thinking, why did I adopt a dog for a pet, I should have got an elephant instead; tied him up when I was away from home and played a game of frisbee in the evening. I am sure the elephant would have loved it. Eti, I guess you should probably consider burining the documents that tag elephants as Schedule-I and rather tag humans into that list; because the homo sapiens who were called humans, because of what we were seems to have become a CR species. May be in one of the award cermonies that are often held to 'applaud' work in the animal rights field, we should give an award for having cold bloodedly tricked the elephants into the hands of the humans! Or may be no one went forward this time because there was going to be no recognition for this work! I conclude remembering the words of Madame de Stael who said " the more I see of man, the more I like dogs " Thanks, Pablo. On 3/5/07, wrote: > > Dear Eti, > Great job. Well done. We have to make sure that we keep the > pressure. This not a 'Here today, gone tomorrow' campaign. We also have to > keep in mind what Mr Vivek Menon of Wildlife Trust of India said about the > Jaipur elephants in Madras, ie., the eventual aim should be to move them > out > of the state. Going by the Rajasthan Chief Minister's statement, it is > apparent that the proposed elephant shelter 'Hathi Gaon' is meant to be > more > of a tourist attraction than a secluded retiring sanctuary. Tourists and > rescue centres do not go well together. If you read Hindustan Times you > will > surely realise the kind of questions that have been raised on her > credibility and rightly so. Always bear in mind that we are being watched > as > keenly as we are watching them. But at least we should be grateful that we > are being spared the trouble of forwarding messages since there are others > who are doing that for us. I can almost see the 'Forward' button being > clicked twice whenever an elephant polo message appears on AAPN; one > message > is sent to London, the other to Jaipur. I reckon that is very efficient > monitoring. > Keep the good work. Best wishes, > > Yours sincerely, > > > > On 3/5/07, etivyas <etivyas <etivyas%40>> wrote: > > > > Rajasthan government organised the much awaited Elephant Festival in > > Jaipur on 3rd March. Tug of war, elephant beauty contest and > > Elephant polo were the major attractions of the festival. Despite > > the worldwide objections on Elephant polo Tourism Department of > > Rajasthan organised this event in order to attract more tourists in > > Rajasthan. > > Being an animal rights person I went to the venue (Chaugaan Stadium) > > just to observe what the elephants go through during such events. > > And I observed that the poor elephants are forced to do things which > > is neither in their capacity nor liked by them. Elephants are giant > > beings and running behind a ball is a difficult task for them. > > During the polo match one could make out that the elephants were > > not interested in chasing the ball, they were so confused > > most of the times that they flocked in a group in the middle of the > > ground. It showed how clueless the poor creatures were all the time. > > Elephant polo is criticised worldwide by all major animal welfare > > groups including Peta, . During the Cartier Elephant polo all the > > major Animal Welfare Organisations had come forward to protest > > against it. There was a big protest on the day of the match and many > > animal right activists including myself got arrested by Police. > > In AFA 07 a resolution was passed by all the members it was , " To > > ban use of animals in entertainment. " That ways elephant polo is a > > sport organised purely for the entertainment of the tourists and the > > aristrocrates. But, still this match was organised because AWBI > > supported the event. If I am not wrong every time when animals are > > to perform in a movie, entertainment activity etc the organisers of > > the event are supposed to take a written permission from AWBI. If > > AWBI grants the permission then only they can use the animals. > > The major responsibility of AWBI is to save animals from cruel > > practices and I think there are enough examples to support the fact > > that elephant polo is a cruel sport. > > There are two issues first AWBI should not support such activities > > which involve un-necessary torture of the gentle giants. > > Secondly as far as I know in most of the government functions no > > permission is taken from AWBI for the public performance of animals, > > still no action is taken against the organisers of such > > events who disobey the AWBI mandates. > > I think the role of AWBI is very crucial in this respect. They can > > put a check on cruel events like elephant polo by not giving the > > required permission to the organisers. Then we can stop such events > > easily. > > I further want to say that elephants are shedule-I animals they may > > be captive but they are still wild animals and anything which is > > done against their will and instinct can turn out to be > > fatal for both elephants as well as humans. > > I would like to thank all those who have raised a voice against this > > cruel sport and hope they will continue to support us in order to > > ban this sport for ever. > > > > kindly visit the links below to see the event -: > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6745387741993546559 & pr=goog- > > sl > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4726011602199345341 & pr=goog- > > sl > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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