Proposal re. (CN) More shelters being established for stray, illegal dogs - Beijing

[Guest guest]

Dear Dianna, Dr John, all

 

1-i think education is the most important thing we need to do , just like the

baby adoption scheme from china to usa, if they dun change their thoughts and

attitudes towards statues of females, they will keep dumping their baby girls,

how many can americans adopt each year??? no matter how many you adopt, there

are still countless baby girls! the situation is exactly the same as those stray

dogs now! of corse if we can arrange adoption plan for those lucky ones, that

will be very ideal, but still there are countless of hopeless , then how about

the rest?

 

2-a quick up-lift of image of dogs in china is also vital, because most people

in china still think that dogs are sources of foods!!!!! how can we uplift the

image of dogs to make them as popular as mickey mouses, and transform their

image of dogs as foods to friends, symbol of loyal.....etc!

 

3-financial and technical assistance to local and civil dog shelters, because

now most dog owners have problems of where to hide their dogs from police or dog

killing teams!, they need a lot of advises, financial assistances, and helps!

and local and civil dog shelter may also face financial problem when more n more

stray dogs are expected!!!!!!

 

4-provide more medical proof to china that we dun need to kill dogs to prevent

rabies!

 

5-advise china more humane ways about the dog control , besides executions!!!

 

 

dhartig »¡¡G

Dear John, dear All,

 

as obviously these animals do not stand a much of a chance being adopted

locally, I was wondering whether interested parties from abroad might be allowed

to adopt such an animal.

Would the authorities agree to that, do you think ?

What hurdles in terms of vaccinations and other applicable regulations for

import to Europe or the US would have to be overcome ?

Surely people have brought their pets with them to China and back before ..

there must be a way, provided access to these animals is granted.

 

I don't want to sound naive or unrealistic here, but I try to think of something

practical to do, besides writing protests. If a Western welfare organisation

could be involved in this to help organising transports, etc.

 

I know such continual export of dogs and cats from regions where animals welfare

is unheard of is NOT a long-term solution, ever.

I think we all agree something must be done to improve the situation locally and

make such rescues unncecessary eventually.

 

But here we are looking at a special situation, and it think that also merits

special measures. This 2-month campaign of rounding-up dogs in implementing the

new law of just one dog per household will be over before the year is out.

Those that remain will be part of a controlled and monitored population. Let's

hope that further campaigns of this sort will then be unneccessary.

 

But those that are confiscated now or are being picked up off the streets (if

they are not killed immediately) an perhaps still be saved - some of them, if an

effort is made and the authorities play along.

 

Any thoughts ?

 

Regards,

Diana Hartig

 

 

----- Original Nachricht ----

Von: Dr John Wedderburn

An: AAPN List

Datum: 16.11.2006 13:38

Betreff: Re: (CN) More shelters being established for stray, illegal dogs

- Beijing

 

> Either the dogs will be killed after a short time or they will be kept in

> cages long term (if there is sufficient funding which is very doubtful).

> Neither is a good prospect for the victims (human or canine). The percentage

> who can be rehomed will be very small. Warehousing is NOT the answer. The

> current inhumane and ineffective regulations should be scrapped and sensible

> proactive measures should be introduced with a " grandfather clause " to

> protect those unwittingly breaking the new measures. Will the authorities

> listen??

> John.

 

 

> aapn

> Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:24 PM

> Aw: (CN) More shelters being established for stray, illegal

dogs - Beijing

>

> Dear Cate,

> I know you are only forwarding an news article (thank you !) and

> not your personal opinion on the matter - but does that sound like an

> attempt to allay the concerns and critisism that is currently being levelled

> at the Beijing authorities re. the matter ?

>

> It seems to me Beijing is not comfortable with the accusations of large

> scale " dog culls " (and confiscations followed by dogs being put down).

>

> It is difficult to understand what is REALLY going on.

>

> These " shelters " seem to me no more than the usual killing stations you get

> in some European countries too - where animals are held for no more than a

> couple of days to be unceremoneously killed shortly thereafter ...

>

> Thank you.

>

> Regards, Diana

 

******************************************************

 

More shelters being established for stray, illegal dogs

By Xie Chuanjiao

China Daily

2006-11-16

 

BEIJING, Nov. 16 -- Beijing and neighbouring Hebei Province are establishing

more homes for the increasing number of stray and illegal dogs, according to

Beijing Public Security Bureau.

 

Illegal dogs are either unregistered, or contravene Beijing's " one dog per

family policy. " Official statistics show there are 550,000 registered dogs in

the city, but Beijing Association of Small Animal Protection estimates there are

a further 450,000 unregistered dogs.

 

One of these centres is Beijing Canine Shelter and Inspection Centre located in

Qiliqu Town, Changping District in the north of the city.

 

As a police truck arrived at the centre yesterday afternoon, another four dogs

were delivered to their brand new home and given a health check.

 

With four buildings for large dogs, eight rows of kennels for small ones, a

quarantine zone, an isolation zone and an adoption zone, the centre is capable

of holding more than 1,000 dogs, said Huang Zhimin, head of the canine

administration department of the bureau. To date the centre has received more

than 500 dogs.

 

The centre also has a hospital and a dog cafeteria, while professional pet

attendants and training experts ensure the dogs are treated well.

 

" Nutritious food is specially prepared every day and they are given healthy

portions, " said Huang.

 

As well as ensuring illegal dogs are treated well and are healthy, the centre

also serves as a base for adoption.

 

Qualified citizens can call the centre's hotline, 6973860, for dog adoption,

which takes place on Tuesdays and Fridays.

 

In Zhuozhou, Hebei Province, the local government yesterday allocated 1 million

yuan (US$125,000) to set up four major dog " foster stations, " Xinhua News Agency

reported.

 

A local official said they would shelter illegal dogs sent to the area from

Beijing.

 

The official said local vets would provide professional caring techniques and a

local army-dog training base would contribute to scientific and rational

management of the stations.

 

Photo:

A reporter is taking a picture for a dog which is in Beijing Canine Shelter and

Inspection Centre on Wednesday.(Xinhua Photo)

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/16/xin_3121103160820718198063.jpg

 

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/16/content_5335618.htm

[Guest guest]

Dear Diana.

 

you are right, every single life is precious, rescueing life is a sacre

action! we are putting god's theories into action! thats why we are all here

discussing how to rescue dogs in beijin from being senselessly killed!

 

rescueing life of dogs do not necessarily have to transport them all out of

china! we can subsidy the " REAL " dog sheltered run by local dog owners as

steward mentioned! providing foods and hiding places for stary dogs and

oversized dogs from being found to be killed! that way, we can rescue more dogs

or innocent lives by just tranporting out a few, of corse these two methods or

even more can be taken at the same time! so we can transport dogs out, and

subsidy local dog shelter to help rescueing dogs all at once!

 

do european eat horse meat??? i thought they are more humane than asian and do

not eat anything other chickens, beef fish and porks! thats sad!

 

Diana Hartig <dhartig

 

Dear Hartley,

 

thank you for thoughts.

Yes, you are right ??even if we manage to get a few animals adopted, many more

will be left behind to perish.

However, I still think it is worth the effort ??because for these few it means

life. It is a dilemma, granted ??but better to save a few than to save none

because of the impossible decision of who is going to live and who is going to

die.

I am involved in an adoption scheme for foals (horse) on and off here in

Germany every autumn countless foals at the age of six months face slaughter,

many after several days of cruelly transporting them across Europe. And while we

can never hope to save all, every year some 150 or so escape the fate of a much

too young death that way and with every single one it means the decision of you

live while 50 others die.

The problem must be tackled on two levels of course: because this will only

ever stop when the uncontrolled breeding (for meat) is tackled and done away

with for good.

 

In many European countries it is still quite normal to kill strays by

poisoning, clubbing or shooting, etc. or take them to killing stations where

they have little to no hope of adoption and are routinely killed after a few

days (Spain is the prime example). Many organisations therefore endeavour to

take on as many of these animals as they can and export them to Germany, Britain

etc. for adoption.

Same problem again: you save a few (and leave many unlucky ones behind) but

that alone changes nothing in the situation on-site.

Every single animal that is delivered to a good life this way is of course

grateful and would not have it any other way, he or she cares little about the

ones left behind, nor would we ourselves care much about the prison we have been

freed from, and not voluntarily return to certain death for the sake of showing

solidarity with the predicament of our fellow prisoners.

I am not advocating selfishness here, it is the pure and simple instinct of

self preservation that we all, animal and man, share.

 

Your proposals aim at long-term improvements for dogs, and animals in general

in China, and that must of course always be foremost on our minds.

John has already told me, and I fear he is right, that trying to save the 500+

dogs that currently reside at that quarantine stationis no option, at best we

can hope for a symbolic gesture with one animal along the lines of Animals

Asia's Dr. Eddie.

While this may be the only realistic option in the present situation, I still

think we should not so easily abandon the idea and worth of individual rescues.

I find that a dangerous road to take, after all, every single life is precious.

 

Regards,

Diana

 

 

 

 

Von: hartley steward [doggies_myfriends]

Gesendet: Samstag, 18. November 2006 18:07

An: dhartig; jwed; mailpv1; mailpv2

Betreff: ?žè?ï¼?lt;/span> Proposal re. (CN) More shelters being established for

stray, illegal dogs - Beijing

 

 

 

Dear Dianna, Dr John, all

 

 

 

1-i think education is the most important thing we need to do , just like

the baby adoption scheme from china to usa, if they dun change their thoughts

and attitudes towards statues of females, they will keep dumping their baby

girls, how many can americans adopt each year??? no matter how many you adopt,

there are still countless baby girls! the situation is exactly the same as those

stray dogs now! of corse if we can arrange adoption plan for those lucky ones,

that will be very ideal, but still there are countless of hopeless , then how

about the rest?

 

 

 

2-a quick up-lift of image of dogs in china is also vital, because most

people in china still think that dogs are sources of foods!!!!! how can we

uplift the image of dogs to make them as popular as mickey mouses, and transform

their image of dogs as foods to friends, symbol of loyal.....etc!

 

 

 

3-financial and technical assistance to local and civil dog shelters,

because now most dog owners have problems of where to hide their dogs from

police or dog killing teams!, they need a lot of advises, financial assistances,

and helps! and local and civil dog shelter may also face financial problem when

more n more stray dogs are expected!!!!!!

 

 

 

4-provide more medical proof to china that we dun need ti=o kill dogs to

prevent rabies!

 

 

 

5-adive china more humane ways about the dog control , besides executions!!!

 

 

 

dhartig 說ï?

 

Dear John, dear All,

 

as obviously these animals do not stand a much of a chance being adopted

locally, I was wondering whether interested parties from abroad might be allowed

to adopt such an animal.

Would the authorities agree to that, do you think ?

What hurdles in terms of vaccinations and other applicable regulations for

import to Europe or the US would have to be overcome ?

Surely people have brought their pets with them to China and back before ..

there must be a way, provided access to these animals is granted.

 

I don't want to sound naive or unrealistic here, but I try to think of something

practical to do, besides writing protests. If a Western welfare organisation

could be involved in this to help organising transports, etc.

 

I know such continual export of dogs and cats from regions where animals welfare

is unheard of is NOT a long-term solution, ever.

I think we all agree something must be done to improve the situation locally and

make such rescues unncecessary eventually.

 

But here we are looking at a special situation, and it think that also merits

special measures. This 2-month campaign of rounding-up dogs in implementing the

new law of just one dog per household will be over before the year is out.

Those that remain will be part of a controlled and monitored population. Let's

hope that further campaigns of this sort will then be unneccessary.

 

But those that are confiscated now or are being picked up off the streets (if

they are not killed immediately) an perhaps still be saved - some of them, if an

effort is made and the authorities play along.

 

Any thoughts ?

 

Regards,

Diana Hartig

 

 

----- Original Nachricht ----

Von: Dr John Wedderburn

An: AAPN List

Datum: 16.11.2006 13:38

Betreff: Re: (CN) More shelters being established for stray, illegal dogs

- Beijing

 

> Either the dogs will be killed after a short time or they will be kept in

> cages long term (if there is sufficient funding which is very doubtful).

> Neither is a good prospect for the victims (human or canine). The percentage

> who can be rehomed will be very small. Warehousing is NOT the answer. The

> current inhumane and ineffective regulations should be scrapped and sensible

> proactive measures should be introduced with a " grandfather clause " to

> protect those unwittingly breaking the new measures. Will the authorities

> listen??

> John.

 

 

> aapn

> Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:24 PM

> Aw: (CN) More shelters being established for stray, illegal

dogs - Beijing

>

> Dear Cate,

> I know you are only forwarding an news article (thank you !) and

> not your personal opinion on the matter - but does that sound like an

> attempt to allay the concerns and critisism that is currently being levelled

> at the Beijing authorities re. the matter ?

>

> It seems to me Beijing is not comfortable with the accusations of large

> scale " dog culls " (and confiscations followed by dogs being put down).

>

> It is difficult to understand what is REALLY going on.

>

> These " shelters " seem to me no more than the usual killing stations you get

> in some European countries too - where animals are held for no more than a

> couple of days to be unceremoneously killed shortly thereafter ...

>

> Thank you.

>

> Regards, Diana

 

******************************************************

 

More shelters being established for stray, illegal dogs

By Xie Chuanjiao

China Daily

2006-11-16

 

BEIJING, Nov. 16 -- Beijing and neighbouring Hebei Province are establishing

more homes for the increasing number of stray and illegal dogs, according to

Beijing Public Security Bureau.

 

Illegal dogs are either unregistered, or contravene Beijing's " one dog per

family policy. " Official statistics show there are 550,000 registered dogs in

the city, but Beijing Association of Small Animal Protection estimates there are

a further 450,000 unregistered dogs.

 

One of these centres is Beijing Canine Shelter and Inspection Centre located in

Qiliqu Town, Changping District in the north of the city.

 

As a police truck arrived at the centre yesterday afternoon, another four dogs

were delivered to their brand new home and given a health check.

 

With four buildings for large dogs, eight rows of kennels for small ones, a

quarantine zone, an isolation zone and an adoption zone, the centre is capable

of holding more than 1,000 dogs, said Huang Zhimin, head of the canine

administration department of the bureau. To date the centre has received more

than 500 dogs.

 

The centre also has a hospital and a dog cafeteria, while professional pet

attendants and training experts ensure the dogs are treated well.

 

" Nutritious food is specially prepared every day and they are given healthy

portions, " said Huang.

 

As well as ensuring illegal dogs are treated well and are healthy, the centre

also serves as a base for adoption.

 

Qualified citizens can call the centre's hotline, 6973860, for dog adoption,

which takes place on Tuesdays and Fridays.

 

In Zhuozhou, Hebei Province, the local government yesterday allocated 1 million

yuan (US$125,000) to set up four major dog " foster stations, " Xinhua News Agency

reported.

 

A local official said they would shelter illegal dogs sent to the area from

Beijing.

 

The official said local vets would provide professional caring techniques and a

local army-dog training base would contribute to scientific and rational

management of the stations.

 

Photo:

A reporter is taking a picture for a dog which is in Beijing Canine Shelter and

Inspection Centre on Wednesday.(Xinhua Photo)

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/16/xin_3121103160820718198063.jpg

 

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/16/content_5335618.htm