Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

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Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get some help in

putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.? I've read & read all the info

I could find with sample menus and recommended intake for vegan todders.? My

little fella just isn't a very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there

will have some ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

calories in him.

He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in moderation on

most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of soymilk.?

Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit out &

thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind

if he were getting some of it down.)

No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him dairy.?

HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All

suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

 

Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

 

insanepup?

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Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:51 PM

Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

 

 

Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get some help

in putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.? I've read & read all the

info I could find with sample menus and recommended intake for vegan todders.?

My little fella just isn't a very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there

will have some ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

calories in him.

He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in moderation

on most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of soymilk.?

Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit out &

thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind

if he were getting some of it down.)

No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him dairy.?

HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All

suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

 

Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

 

insanepup?

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is he growing? some kids don't seem to eat much, just graze here and there but

still grow fine.

 

our son at that age loved avocado- it's full of calories and good nutrients and

it's fun to play with! ;-)

but not fun for mom to clean up!

 

Danita

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Is your son growing at a consistent rate? If so, I wouldn't worry about it so

much right now. Three of my kids were great eaters at this age but two I was so

panicky about, I ended up consulting a food therapist. She said that they were

eating and growing fine - just grazers and picky. They still grew consistently

so I ended up not worrying.

 

I ended up making pancakes with spinach, nutmeg, and nutritional yeast in them

much more often than I wanted to but they would eat those any time I gave them

to them. I also gave them slices of ex-firm tofu that they loved - especially

when teething as the coolness of the refrigerated tofu felt good on their teeth.

At 15 months of age, I fed my kids what I prepared for my husband and I -

prepared appropriately for them. That made a bit of difference in their eating

habits also as they liked eating what mommy and daddy were eating. Just try

different things. You may hit on something he really likes and will eat.

 

I really don't think dairy milk is the answer. Ask those who are pushing you to

give that to him what their rationale is. Soymilk has everything dairy milk

except the chemicals, pus, and hormones (go to www.notmilk.com to find out

more). Maybe trying a different soymilk would work. I used Edensoy and my kids

loved it - I despised it. There are so many varieties out there with different

tastes to them. Maybe you could experiment and find one he likes. From what I

understand, however, children do not need milk of any kind as long as they are

getting the nutrients (i.e. calcium) they would normally get from a milk from

other sources.

 

Good Luck.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

" Children need models rather than critics. " ~ Joseph Joubert (1754 - 1824)

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I've been reading this book " the whole soy story " and have quit eating all soy

products until I finish it and do some research of my own. apparently I can

cause thyroid dysfunction, low testosterone in men, and brain damage in babies

and young children (so the author claims). anyone know anything about this?

 

Kathy

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insanepup

Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:51 PM

Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

 

 

Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get some help

in putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.? I've read & read all the

info I could find with sample menus and recommended intake for vegan todders.?

My little fella just isn't a very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there

will have some ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

calories in him.

He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in moderation

on most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of soymilk.?

Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit out &

thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind

if he were getting some of it down.)

No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him dairy.?

HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All

suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

 

Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

 

insanepup?

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I know exactly what you are going through! My son was the same way.

Seeing the forest through the trees now, I realize that

he (and your son) would be the same way with or without animal foods.

Some toddlers just aren't big consumers and

are going to be skinny. But hopefully they take in enough to be

healthy and the appetite will get better (my son

is 17 now. Still skinny and picky , but eats a lot. I still follow

him around with food Skinny is definitely better than fat! I

keep telling him that!

 

Does he like baked goods? My son was a big carbo eater. He still is.

I used to make muffins and pancakes

and freeze them and give them to him all the time. I tried to pack as

many healthy things in them as he would

tolerate. Same with cookies. I remember being so frustrated when he

would pick out the chocolate chips out

of the healthy cookies I had made! I would go ahead and add extra

flax oil to those baked goods to make them

higher in calories.

 

Also try elbow pasta tossed with nutritional yeast, soy milk and

margarine. There is also a vegan mac n cheese mix

from Road's End Organics. It's whole wheat and easy to make.

 

How about adding flax oil to smoothies or to his yogurt?

 

Try spreading avocado on crackers or toast. We love this with Spike

seasoning on it!

 

Soup! So healthy. I would really really work on getting him to like

soup. Just keep serving it. My son never liked

it and still doesn't. Bums me out! My daughter (12) loves it and I

raised her on it.

 

Good luck!

 

Tracy

 

On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:51 PM, insanepup wrote:

 

> Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get

> some help in putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.?

> I've read & read all the info I could find with sample menus and

> recommended intake for vegan todders.? My little fella just isn't a

> very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there will have some

> ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

> calories in him.

> He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in

> moderation on most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or

> two daily of soymilk.? Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having

> everything I make for him spit out & thrown back at me. (I know,

> that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind if he were

> getting some of it down.)

> No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give

> him dairy.? HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy &

> well-fed vegan.? All suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

>

> Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

>

> insanepup?

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I don't have any links right now, but I remember reading that it is natural for

a young toddler around that age to become very picky about food. It's tied into

evolution: it was dangerous for a newly walking toddler (who could more easily

escape from the family cave) to put things in his/her mouth, so the toddlers who

survived were the ones who didn't like putting new tastes in their mouth at that

stage.

 

As long as your child isn't losing weight and continues to be full of energy,

it's just a short stage and you don't have to worry too much.

 

Liz

 

 

 

 

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The book is published by New Trends Publishing, Inc., which seems to be the

publishing mouthpiece for Sally Fallon, the president of the Weston A. Price

foundation. Go back through the archives of this group to see what has been

said before on the subject of soy, Fallon, and WAP. Basically, the book is a

propaganda piece that is not based in bona fide scientific research.

 

Liz

 

 

 

 

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Welcome! Were you or his dad skinny, picky eaters? Is he developing normally -

meeting milestones? He sounds like fairly normal toddler, though he might not

be getting enough good fats (advocado, nuts) When my daughter went through her

first picky phase, I gave her frozen peas to roll around and eat. When my nephew

went through picky phases, my sister put little dishes of food around where he

played: raisens, nuts, puffed rice, etc.

 

insanepup wrote: Howdy; I just joined this group in

hopes that I can get some help in putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan

boy.? I've read & read all the info I could find with sample menus and

recommended intake for vegan todders.? My little fella just isn't a very big

eater & I'm hoping that someone out there will have some ideas, menus, or

recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat & calories in him.

He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in moderation on

most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of soymilk.?

Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit out &

thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind

if he were getting some of it down.)

No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him dairy.?

HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All

suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

 

Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

 

insanepup?

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, Gayle <dilemma5 wrote:

>

> Is your son growing at a consistent rate? If so, I wouldn't worry

about it so much right now. Three of my kids were great eaters at

this age but two I was so panicky about, I ended up consulting a

food therapist. She said that they were eating and growing fine -

just grazers and picky. They still grew consistently so I ended up

not worrying.

>

> I ended up making pancakes with spinach, nutmeg, and nutritional

yeast in them much more often than I wanted to but they would eat

those any time I gave them to them. I also gave them slices of ex-

firm tofu that they loved - especially when teething as the coolness

of the refrigerated tofu felt good on their teeth. At 15 months of

age, I fed my kids what I prepared for my husband and I - prepared

appropriately for them. That made a bit of difference in their

eating habits also as they liked eating what mommy and daddy were

eating. Just try different things. You may hit on something he

really likes and will eat.

>

> I really don't think dairy milk is the answer. Ask those who are

pushing you to give that to him what their rationale is. Soymilk

has everything dairy milk except the chemicals, pus, and hormones

(go to www.notmilk.com to find out more). Maybe trying a different

soymilk would work. I used Edensoy and my kids loved it - I

despised it. There are so many varieties out there with different

tastes to them. Maybe you could experiment and find one he likes.

From what I understand, however, children do not need milk of any

kind as long as they are getting the nutrients (i.e. calcium) they

would normally get from a milk from other sources.

>

> Good Luck.

>

> God's Peace,

> Gayle

> " Children need models rather than critics. " ~ Joseph Joubert

(1754 - 1824)

 

Gayle;

Thanks for the support & advice. He does like the extra firm tofu

(however, I always cook it now after some recent scares regarding

some tofu recalls). Still not so interested consistently in

avados.

I think he probably just falls into that " grazer " category. Today

I've tried not so much making him sit in his high chair for all 3

meals, but gave him his lunch on the run. He ate pretty well that

way...1 bite here, 1 bite there while playing.

I think he is growing consistently (gained 1.5 lbs b/n 12 & 14

months & grew an inch), but I worry, especially as my mother (an ob-

gyn nurse) is really pressuring me to get some fat & calories in

him. She is not pushy, so I think it is her way of encouraging me

to pay attention as she is really concerned.

I kind of giggle at the thought of asking them what their rationale

at giving him whole milk would be, they " KNOW " they are right as

that is how they were raised and they raised their children. They

see nothing wrong with milk & think I am brainwashed by media, or

whatever.

If you can remember how you made those pancakes I would love to try

that recipe. If all 5 of your vegan babes loved them, chances are

pretty good that my boy may enjoy them as well.

 

thanks again,

Stacey

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Yep, still nursing.? At least 6 times in a 24 hour period.

 

 

 

June Waterman <june

 

Sun, 2 Dec 2007 8:37 am

Re: Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you still nursing?

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insanepup

 

Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:51 PM

Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

 

Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get some help in

putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.? I've read & read all the info

I could find with sample menus and recommended intake for vegan todders.? My

little fella just isn't a very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there

will have some ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

calories in him.

He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in moderation on

most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of soymilk.?

Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit out &

thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind

if he were getting some of it down.)

No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him dairy.?

HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All

suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

 

Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

 

insanepup?

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Yep, growing pretty well.? Fell a bit on his curve for weight but staying right

on for length.? I just feel like he has really slowed on the eating in the last

week or two, hence the call for help.

 

I wish he loved avacado, it is random with that one.? I will keep trying, maybe

someday it will become his favorite.

 

stacey

 

 

 

danitamark

 

Sun, 2 Dec 2007 8:50 am

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is he growing? some kids don't seem to eat much, just graze here and there but

still grow fine.

 

our son at that age loved avocado- it's full of calories and good nutrients and

it's fun to play with! ;-)

but not fun for mom to clean up!

 

Danita

 

 

 

 

 

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I love that theory!!!? Reminds me of why most infants look like their father, so

those cavemen wouldn't doubt the paternity of the infant.

He hasn't lost weight yet, but he has really cut back on the food in the last

couple of weeks, which is why I got so worried & joined this group for help.

stacey

 

 

 

ERB <bakwin

 

Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:13 am

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I don't have any links right now, but I remember reading that it is natural for

a young toddler around that age to become very picky about food. It's tied into

evolution: it was dangerous for a newly walking toddler (who could more easily

escape from the family cave) to put things in his/her mouth, so the toddlers who

survived were the ones who didn't like putting new tastes in their mouth at that

stage.

 

As long as your child isn't losing weight and continues to be full of energy,

it's just a short stage and you don't have to worry too much.

 

Liz

 

 

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Thanks.? He is growing, but only in the 5th percentile.? Father & I (mother) are

not small, although I was probably a little on the picky & skinny side @ that

age.

He's not?eating?peas this week, but I've never tried them frozen.? I like the

idea of foods planted around the house & will try that, he is definitely a

grazer.

stacey

 

 

 

robin koloms <rkoloms

 

Sun, 2 Dec 2007 5:09 pm

Re: Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welcome! Were you or his dad skinny, picky eaters? Is he developing normally -

meeting milestones? He sounds like fairly normal toddler, though he might not be

getting enough good fats (advocado, nuts) When my daughter went through her

first picky phase, I gave her frozen peas to roll around and eat. When my nephew

went through picky phases, my sister put little dishes of food around where he

played: raisens, nuts, puffed rice, etc.

 

insanepup wrote: Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes

that I can get some help in putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.?

I've read & read all the info I could find with sample menus and recommended

intake for vegan todders.? My little fella just isn't a very big eater & I'm

hoping that someone out there will have some ideas, menus, or recipes for some

no fail ways to get the fat & calories in him.

He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in moderation on

most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of soymilk.?

Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit out &

thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind

if he were getting some of it down.)

No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him dairy.?

HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All

suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

 

Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

 

insanepup?

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Just a bit of info on " The Whole Soy Story " . If the author, Kaayla Daniels were

actually correct, I would be a mess. I've been consuming soy products for a

very long time and have never had any of the problems Daniels insists it causes.

My children have consumed it since conception. They are almost 11 - all

developing normally - all either average or gifted. They have none of the

problems Daniels insists soy causes. I have spoken with my Endocrinologist. He

said soy does not affect the thyroid as Daniels insists. I happen to have an

under active thyroid but had it years and years before I started consuming any

soy products at all (my mother has it, my two brothers have it, and my sister

had it and none of them consume soy. Sounds kind of like it's hereditary for

me) and it has gotten no worse because of the soy I consume.

 

The " research " Daniels did (and I do use the word research very lightly) was

funded by the Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) - an organization notorious for

it's avid support of the dairy and beef industries. She was paid by them and I

believe works for them. I could be wrong on that last part but when the other

things are true, you have to wonder how unbiased her " research " actually was.

 

That being said, one should never rely solely on one food for all the nutrients

necessary to be healthy and any food can be hazardous to one's health if not

consumed in moderation. People in Asia have consumed soy for 100's of years and

they have no significant thyroid problems or any increase in any of the other

things Daniels' " research " suggests above and beyond that which populations in

other countries who do not consume soy products on such a regular basis have.

In fact, I think they may be lower in their incident rates of the same.

Moderation and variety are the keys to a healthy and beneficial diet. I have

never heard anyone advocate an exclusively soy diet. That would be silly. I

have not, however seen any credible evidence that even remotely suggests that

consuming soy products in moderation is detrimental to a human body. FWIW

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

 

 

 

 

>Thomas and Kathy Hildebrand <owner

>Dec 2, 2007 1:49 PM

>

>Re: Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

>

>I've been reading this book " the whole soy story " and have quit eating all soy

products until I finish it and do some research of my own. apparently I can

cause thyroid dysfunction, low testosterone in men, and brain damage in babies

and young children (so the author claims). anyone know anything about this?

>

>Kathy

> -

> insanepup

>

> Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:51 PM

> Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

>

>

> Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get some help

in putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.? I've read & read all the

info I could find with sample menus and recommended intake for vegan todders.?

My little fella just isn't a very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there

will have some ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

calories in him.

> He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in moderation

on most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of soymilk.?

Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit out &

thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't mind

if he were getting some of it down.)

> No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him dairy.?

HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All

suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

>

> Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

>

> insanepup?

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Another thought on this; a friend of mine had a 15 - 16 month old son who was

experiencing the same thing as you describe with your son. She was still

feeding him and not allowing him to " control " the situation. As soon as she

started letting him feed himself - even though it was very messy - he started

eating much better. Kids don't get to control much of their lives, but they can

control what they put in their mouths and swallow. I don't know if you are

still feeding your son or not, but just in case ...

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

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If he is still nursing, I don't think you have anything to worry about as long

as you are eating a healthy diet. I'll find that recipe for the pancakes and

forward it to you.

 

 

 

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

" Children need models rather than critics. " ~ Joseph Joubert (1754 - 1824)

[Guest guest]

It's about half & Half.? He gets to feed himself lots of finger foods (those are

the things he usually throws) mushier items soyghurt,baby oatmeal,?etc.)?I still

spoon feed & can usually get some down.? I'll give him the spoon to try

sometimes.? I " ll try that more.

thanks

stacey

 

 

 

Gayle <dilemma5

 

Sun, 2 Dec 2007 7:08 pm

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Another thought on this; a friend of mine had a 15 - 16 month old son who was

experiencing the same thing as you describe with your son. She was still feeding

him and not allowing him to " control " the situation. As soon as she started

letting him feed himself - even though it was very messy - he started eating

much better. Kids don't get to control much of their lives, but they can control

what they put in their mouths and swallow. I don't know if you are still feeding

your son or not, but just in case ...

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you.? Of course I'll still worry, I'm a mom now!

 

stacey

 

 

 

Gayle <dilemma5

 

Sun, 2 Dec 2007 7:12 pm

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If he is still nursing, I don't think you have anything to worry about as long

as you are eating a healthy diet. I'll find that recipe for the pancakes and

forward it to you.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

" Children need models rather than critics. " ~ Joseph Joubert (1754 - 1824)

 

 

 

 

 

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How about vegan mac and cheese? even my suddenly picky 5 year old will eat it

like crazy! (white beans, nutritional yeast, sauteed onions and a 'butter " or

oil mixture of your liking) Have you used earth balance/soy garden " butters " ?

Have you tried sunlower seed butter (just in case nuts are an issue, seeds

usually don't have the same issues). Remember at 15 months, he still needs a

LOt more fat then an adult.

Other issues/questions at work: has he just gotten or working on new teeth

(especialy the dreaded 2 year molars).. food may hurt the mouth...(try cold

" smoothie " pops- frozen fruit, protein powder, soy/rice milk, liquid dha complex

oil mix, wheat germ, frozen in popsicle form.. my kids eat that for breakfast

most days in the summer!).. Has he just learned a new skill, or finished a

growth spurt (many kids tin out as they grow up, then gain a bit more)

Also- tastes are different.. My son will not cannot stand tomatoes (except

organic ketchup and pizza-not regular sauce) won't touch em- I eat tomatoes like

candy, as does dh. Try different things.

Organic ketchup helps through picky stages, as does any other " dip " they like-

make tofu sticks, roll them in crushed sesame seeds, then toast or fry.. dip in

ketchup, vegan 'mayo " ..I make a lentil loaf every sunday then make it into

sandwiches or " sticks " again...toddlers tend to love hand foods! Any veggies or

fruits he already likes- give him a dip to go with it.. we eat a lot of

" crunchy " apples (apple slices with nut/seed butter, sprinkled with wheat

germ)... if he likes yogurt, can you add in a little dha oil and/or wheat germ

to 'fatten it' up a bit?

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here's a good article about the soy controversy, written by John Robbins:

http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

 

It addresses a lot of the misinformation out there while also moderating

the mega-health claims.

Heather

 

Gayle wrote:

>

> Just a bit of info on " The Whole Soy Story " . If the author, Kaayla

> Daniels were actually correct, I would be a mess. I've been consuming

> soy products for a very long time and have never had any of the

> problems Daniels insists it causes. My children have consumed it since

> conception. They are almost 11 - all developing normally - all either

> average or gifted. They have none of the problems Daniels insists soy

> causes. I have spoken with my Endocrinologist. He said soy does not

> affect the thyroid as Daniels insists. I happen to have an under

> active thyroid but had it years and years before I started consuming

> any soy products at all (my mother has it, my two brothers have it,

> and my sister had it and none of them consume soy. Sounds kind of like

> it's hereditary for me) and it has gotten no worse because of the soy

> I consume.

>

> The " research " Daniels did (and I do use the word research very

> lightly) was funded by the Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) - an

> organization notorious for it's avid support of the dairy and beef

> industries. She was paid by them and I believe works for them. I could

> be wrong on that last part but when the other things are true, you

> have to wonder how unbiased her " research " actually was.

>

> That being said, one should never rely solely on one food for all the

> nutrients necessary to be healthy and any food can be hazardous to

> one's health if not consumed in moderation. People in Asia have

> consumed soy for 100's of years and they have no significant thyroid

> problems or any increase in any of the other things Daniels'

> " research " suggests above and beyond that which populations in other

> countries who do not consume soy products on such a regular basis

> have. In fact, I think they may be lower in their incident rates of

> the same. Moderation and variety are the keys to a healthy and

> beneficial diet. I have never heard anyone advocate an exclusively soy

> diet. That would be silly. I have not, however seen any credible

> evidence that even remotely suggests that consuming soy products in

> moderation is detrimental to a human body. FWIW

>

> God's Peace,

> Gayle

>

>

> >Thomas and Kathy Hildebrand <owner

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> >Dec 2, 2007 1:49 PM

> > <%40>

> >Re: Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

> >

> >I've been reading this book " the whole soy story " and have quit

> eating all soy products until I finish it and do some research of my

> own. apparently I can cause thyroid dysfunction, low testosterone in

> men, and brain damage in babies and young children (so the author

> claims). anyone know anything about this?

> >

> >Kathy

> > -

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> > <%40>

> > Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:51 PM

> > Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

> >

> >

> > Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get

> some help in putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.? I've

> read & read all the info I could find with sample menus and

> recommended intake for vegan todders.? My little fella just isn't a

> very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there will have some

> ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

> calories in him.

> > He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only in

> moderation on most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two

> daily of soymilk.? Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything

> I make for him spit out & thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be

> what happens, and I wouldn't mind if he were getting some of it down.)

> > No one around me is vegan & I'm getting lots of pressure to give him

> dairy.? HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow a healthy &

> well-fed vegan.? All suggestions and support will be much appreciated.

> >

> > Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!

> >

> > insanepup <insanepup%40aol.com>?

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

We're still looking for ways to get our daughter (2 years) to eat, but when she

was your son's age, my husband developed a vegetable waffle recipe that was (and

still is) a big hit! We make a big batch and freeze them.

 

So many people from our parent group requested the recipe that my husband put it

online at www.vegetablewaffle.com.

 

Good luck,

Jessica

 

 

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Need Help/Suggestions Feeding Vegan 15M

Posted by: " insanepup " insanepup roddthorny

Sun Dec 2, 2007 8:30 am (PST)

Howdy; I just joined this group in hopes that I can get some help in

putting some weight on my 15 month old vegan boy.? I've read & read all the info

I could find with sample menus and recommended intake for vegan todders.? My

little fella just isn't a very big eater & I'm hoping that someone out there

will have some ideas, menus, or recipes for some no fail ways to get the fat &

calories in him.He likes soy cheeses, soyghurt, tofu & loves bananas.? But only

in moderation on most days and he won't drink more than an ounce or two daily of

soymilk.? Picky-picky-picky & I'm tired of having everything I make for him spit

out & thrown back at me. (I know, that just may be what happens, and I wouldn't

mind if he were getting some of it down.)No one around me is vegan & I'm getting

lots of pressure to give him dairy.? HELP!!! I know that it is possible to?grow

a healthy & well-fed vegan.? All suggestions and support will be much

appreciated.Gotta get some chub on my little bub!!insanepup?

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[Guest guest]

Don't stress about the chub factor. As long as he is healthy and active

you have nothing to worry about. I have 2 vegan children aged 6 and

3.5. The six year old has always been very fussy, she has never been

chubby and has always grown slowly. The 3.5 year old weighs more than

his sister, ahs always been chubby, is still picky, but eats more

volume. It is nothing to do with being vegan - just genetics! The

doctor sent us off to a paedatrician when my daughter was a tot - he was

not at all concerned about her diet - he said her buttocks were rounded,

and she was obviously active and that was all he was concerned about. I

was worried at one stage about her eating and tried this and that,

looked everwhere for advice. I have now learned to relax about it. If

they are hungry they will eat. The best piece of advice I ever had, and

that I have learned to follow, was that a child will not willingly

starve - your responsiblity is to provide appropriate food, their

responsibility is to eat it!

 

Just make sure that he is getting B12 - not sure what you have in the

states - I provide fortified soy milk, and also crush 1/4 of a tablet

into juice a couple of times a week.

 

Karen