Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as we can!!! What do others think? Yours Sincerely Colin Hammond a concerned parent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I TOTALLY agree. It's like the parents on the gluten and casein free lists who constantly send in recipes using toxic waste like Splenda. Or the newbies who always seem to ask " Are Fruity Pebbles gluten free? " !!!!!! ARGH!!! Who CARES if they're gluten free (or vegetarian!)? Have you people read the ingredients? Do you understand what you're reading? And is that what you want to nourish your child with--chemical filled cardboard masquerading as " food " ? Yes, kids can be fussy. Disabled kids (who need the GFCF diet) even more so. But come on, parents--raise the bar just a teeny bit! You know better than your whining 3yo what he should eat! Bah. Don't get me started. Marilyn **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Gayle--Dried beans are cheap, as is brown rice. I was low income at a point in my life, too, and I resented the garbage handed out to me by all the government programs. I remember being pregnant, and splitting our last apple with my two preschoolers. It's not easy, but living on cheap garbage doesn't make it any better, in so many ways! Take those food stamps and buy celery, apples, onions, and potatoes instead of boxes of processed foods. It's money better spent. As to ease and convenience, steaming rice and cutting up a few veggies is fast. I can make a stir fry in less time than I used to make a box of Hamburger Helper (yes, I admit I used this a few times way back when!). Pasta is more nutritious if whole grain varieties are bought, instead of the usual white. But as for me, our family has gluten sensitivity issues. And many families of kids with disabilities eliminate gluten products, to try and improve their children's functioning. I was new to all this, too, not too many years ago. It's definitely a learning process! When I started out, I had no online lists to learn from, so it was MUCH harder. I have nine kids, ages 1-29. Four have disabilities or neurological issues, and we use the GFCF diet, combined with Feingold, for two of them. We are now transitioning to vegan, for health reasons. Marilyn **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Why do you consider gluten and pasta junk food? Not all the things you mentioned are junk food if homemade with nutritional ingredients or if conscientiously bought with nutrition in mind. What do I think about processed foods? I agree it is a problem in our society no matter what diet a person ascribes to, however there are some people who cannot afford anything but processed food. It's inexpensive and those with tight budgets can afford it. For those who have time constraints that they just can't seem to get around, it's quicker than making things from scratch. Then there are some who are just starting on a vegetarian or vegan diet and they really don't know what to eat so they go with processed food to begin with until they gain the knowledge and confidence necessary to do better for their health. Is non-better processed food for health? You bet, but I would hate to totally condemn it with the above in mind. BTW, how old is/are your child/ren? God's Peace, Gayle >Colin Hammond <nilochammond >Jan 5, 2008 12:59 PM > > Junk Vegetarianism > >Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk >vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, >TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in >other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do >others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian >reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on >vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many >are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of >vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it >also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start >and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on >a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what >you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting >rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as >we can!!! What do others think? >Yours Sincerely > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I think that some of us tailor our diet to our lifestyle. I work full time and have a kid in a rigorous academic program, that requires us to be out of the house at 5:30 every morning. We get home around six, hungry and tired. If I have time to cook and freeze on the weekends, I do, but we try to have some fun (and do laundry, wash dishes, clean the bathroom, buy groceries, etc.). Dinner will often be whole wheat pasta and frozen broccoli with jarred sauce and some cheese sprinkled on top (all organic). I don't consider this to be junk, and your use of the word " hate " reeks of judgementalism. Colin Hammond <nilochammond wrote: Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as we can!!! What do others think? Yours Sincerely Colin Hammond a concerned parent Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I agree. And it¹s not about every little item we choose to eat, it¹s about out diets overall. There¹s a big difference between eating nothing but sugary vegan cereals and vegan donuts all week long, and eating a wide variety of fresh and processed foods (much like the dinner Robin describes). I¹m a dietitian and a mom to a 2-year old, and I depend on frozen vegetables (plain) and jarred sauces on a regular basis. (Sometimes frozen veggies are MORE nutritious than fresh because fresh produce may sit around, exposed to light and oxygen, and travel hundreds of miles, all over several days or even weeks between harvest and purchase at the market, causing nutrient loss. Frozen produce, on the other hand, is frozen very soon after harvest and its nutrients are preserved.) Processed foods make our busy lives easier, but we still need to make educated choices. Dina Aronson On 1/6/08 11:03 AM, " robin koloms " <rkoloms wrote: > > > > > I think that some of us tailor our diet to our lifestyle. I work full time > and have a kid in a rigorous academic program, that requires us to be out of > the house at 5:30 every morning. We get home around six, hungry and tired. > If I have time to cook and freeze on the weekends, I do, but we try to have > some fun (and do laundry, wash dishes, clean the bathroom, buy groceries, > etc.). Dinner will often be whole wheat pasta and frozen broccoli with jarred > sauce and some cheese sprinkled on top (all organic). I don't consider this > to be junk, and your use of the word " hate " reeks of judgementalism. > > Colin Hammond <nilochammond <nilochammond%40fastmail.fm> > > wrote: Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as > we can!!! What do others think? > Yours Sincerely > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it > now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I've been reading this list -- and Gayle's intelligent, helpful posts -- for years, and I don't think you'll find a smarter, more creative, more highly principaled person dealing with the challenges of raising vegan children than Gayle. I have learned tons from her, and have always found her approach to be practical, no-nonsense, and as healthful as possible. I agree with her that we must all do the best we can and if that means taking advantage of some time- and moneysavers in a moderate way, it's perfectly acceptable. - sahmomof8 Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:51 AM Re: Junk Vegetarianism Gayle--Dried beans are cheap, as is brown rice. I was low income at a point in my life, too, and I resented the garbage handed out to me by all the government programs. I remember being pregnant, and splitting our last apple with my two preschoolers. It's not easy, but living on cheap garbage doesn't make it any better, in so many ways! Take those food stamps and buy celery, apples, onions, and potatoes instead of boxes of processed foods. It's money better spent. As to ease and convenience, steaming rice and cutting up a few veggies is fast. I can make a stir fry in less time than I used to make a box of Hamburger Helper (yes, I admit I used this a few times way back when!). Pasta is more nutritious if whole grain varieties are bought, instead of the usual white. But as for me, our family has gluten sensitivity issues. And many families of kids with disabilities eliminate gluten products, to try and improve their children's functioning. I was new to all this, too, not too many years ago. It's definitely a learning process! When I started out, I had no online lists to learn from, so it was MUCH harder. I have nine kids, ages 1-29. Four have disabilities or neurological issues, and we use the GFCF diet, combined with Feingold, for two of them. We are now transitioning to vegan, for health reasons. Marilyn **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 , Gayle <dilemma5 wrote: > > Why do you consider gluten and pasta junk food? Not all the things you mentioned are junk food if homemade with nutritional ingredients or if conscientiously bought with nutrition in mind. > > What do I think about processed foods? I agree it is a problem in our society no matter what diet a person ascribes to, however there are some people who cannot afford anything but processed food. It's inexpensive and those with tight budgets can afford it. For those who have time constraints that they just can't seem to get around, it's quicker than making things from scratch. Then there are some who are just starting on a vegetarian or vegan diet and they really don't know what to eat so they go with processed food to begin with until they gain the knowledge and confidence necessary to do better for their health. Is non-better processed food for health? You bet, but I would hate to totally condemn it with the above in mind. > > BTW, how old is/are your child/ren? > > God's Peace, > Gayle Hi Gayle thank you for your reply, but I would suggest you study up on the effects of gluten, thats the processed type does to the bowel and the body, it is a nice occasional food, but it is not good for anyone. I agree with you many use the processed foods to replace dead animal products, but people need to grow by what we chat about I think!! What you you think?BTW my children are 11yr old boy, 9yr old girl and 7yr old boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 , robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > I think that some of us tailor our diet to our lifestyle. I work full time and have a kid in a rigorous academic program, that requires us to be out of the house at 5:30 every morning. We get home around six, hungry and tired. If I have time to cook and freeze on the weekends, I do, but we try to have some fun (and do laundry, wash dishes, clean the bathroom, buy groceries, etc.). Dinner will often be whole wheat pasta and frozen broccoli with jarred sauce and some cheese sprinkled on top (all organic). I don't consider this to be junk, and your use of the word " hate " reeks of judgementalism. > Hi Robin, the reason it is a pet hate is because we can justify many things as humans, but when I see people who call their diets healthy but eat junk and they say they are vegetarians, it gives vegetarianism a bad name and when I see people becoming anemic because they said that they were vegetarian, well it just stinks in my belief. I am not judging just stating what I think!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Terry--Not putting down Gayle or her ideas in ANY way. Sorry that got read into that way! Just trying to point out that " convenience " can be different than opening a box of prepared food. A " meal " can be an apple and two bananas--and you can't get quicker, easier, or healthier than fresh raw fruit! Just another viewpoint. Marilyn **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 , Dina Aronson <dina.aronson wrote: > > I agree. And it¹s not about every little item we choose to eat, it¹s about > out diets overall. There¹s a big difference between eating nothing but > sugary vegan cereals and vegan donuts all week long, and eating a wide > variety of fresh and processed foods (much like the dinner Robin describes). > I¹m a dietitian and a mom to a 2-year old, and I depend on frozen vegetables > (plain) and jarred sauces on a regular basis. (Sometimes frozen veggies are > MORE nutritious than fresh because fresh produce may sit around, exposed to > light and oxygen, and travel hundreds of miles, all over several days or > even weeks between harvest and purchase at the market, causing nutrient > loss. Frozen produce, on the other hand, is frozen very soon after harvest > and its nutrients are preserved.) Processed foods make our busy lives > easier, but we still need to make educated choices. > > Dina Aronson > > Thank you Dina, your ideas seemed balanced overall, it is about what we eat overall and not the occasional mistreatment we do to our bodies, but when I am in a hurry I like to eat things like apples or capsicums or as most here would say bell peppers or other raw foods, easy to prepare, plus I have a rice cooker that I can prepare in the morning and its ready when I get home at night, when it comes to pasta, wholemeal varieties or the non wheat one if gluten intolerant, but that white over processed pasta and white rice are really not healthy at least in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hate sucks up much passion and energy and has a negative effect on health. Colin Hammond <nilochammond wrote: --- In , robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > I think that some of us tailor our diet to our lifestyle. I work full time and have a kid in a rigorous academic program, that requires us to be out of the house at 5:30 every morning. We get home around six, hungry and tired. If I have time to cook and freeze on the weekends, I do, but we try to have some fun (and do laundry, wash dishes, clean the bathroom, buy groceries, etc.). Dinner will often be whole wheat pasta and frozen broccoli with jarred sauce and some cheese sprinkled on top (all organic). I don't consider this to be junk, and your use of the word " hate " reeks of judgementalism. > Hi Robin, the reason it is a pet hate is because we can justify many things as humans, but when I see people who call their diets healthy but eat junk and they say they are vegetarians, it gives vegetarianism a bad name and when I see people becoming anemic because they said that they were vegetarian, well it just stinks in my belief. I am not judging just stating what I think!!! Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hello, Does the brown rice discolor or burn when it is left in your rice cooker a moment to long? Are there anyways around this? Jane mother of an 8 year old girl Colin Hammond <nilochammond Sunday, January 6, 2008 4:27:25 PM Re: Junk Vegetarianism @gro ups.com, Dina Aronson <dina.aronson@ ...> wrote: > > I agree. And it¹s not about every little item we choose to eat, it¹s about > out diets overall. There¹s a big difference between eating nothing but > sugary vegan cereals and vegan donuts all week long, and eating a wide > variety of fresh and processed foods (much like the dinner Robin describes). > I¹m a dietitian and a mom to a 2-year old, and I depend on frozen vegetables > (plain) and jarred sauces on a regular basis. (Sometimes frozen veggies are > MORE nutritious than fresh because fresh produce may sit around, exposed to > light and oxygen, and travel hundreds of miles, all over several days or > even weeks between harvest and purchase at the market, causing nutrient > loss. Frozen produce, on the other hand, is frozen very soon after harvest > and its nutrients are preserved.) Processed foods make our busy lives > easier, but we still need to make educated choices. > > Dina Aronson > > Thank you Dina, your ideas seemed balanced overall, it is about what we eat overall and not the occasional mistreatment we do to our bodies, but when I am in a hurry I like to eat things like apples or capsicums or as most here would say bell peppers or other raw foods, easy to prepare, plus I have a rice cooker that I can prepare in the morning and its ready when I get home at night, when it comes to pasta, wholemeal varieties or the non wheat one if gluten intolerant, but that white over processed pasta and white rice are really not healthy at least in my eyes ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 , Jane Buscemi <veganjaneb wrote: > > Hello, > > Does the brown rice discolor or burn when it is left in your rice cooker a moment to long? Are there anyways around this? > > Jane > mother of an 8 year old girl > Hi Jane, I have no problem with discoloration or burning, I use a Breville Syncro Programmable Multi-purpose, programmable rice cooker and steamer. Features: * 10 cup capacity * Programmable timer function * LCD display * 'Reheat' and 'keep warm' settings * Removable cord for serving at the table * Soup and porridge functions * Steaming tray * Heavy duty non-stick removable bowl * Vacuum sealed lid with steam vent * Spoon rest * Includes measuring cup and serving spoons its great, the best I have ever used and have been through a few Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I would be very leery of leaving brown rice sitting out; it goes rancid very quickly. Jane Buscemi <veganjaneb wrote: Hello, Does the brown rice discolor or burn when it is left in your rice cooker a moment to long? Are there anyways around this? Jane mother of an 8 year old girl Colin Hammond <nilochammond Sunday, January 6, 2008 4:27:25 PM Re: Junk Vegetarianism @gro ups.com, Dina Aronson <dina.aronson@ ...> wrote: > > I agree. And it¹s not about every little item we choose to eat, it¹s about > out diets overall. There¹s a big difference between eating nothing but > sugary vegan cereals and vegan donuts all week long, and eating a wide > variety of fresh and processed foods (much like the dinner Robin describes). > I¹m a dietitian and a mom to a 2-year old, and I depend on frozen vegetables > (plain) and jarred sauces on a regular basis. (Sometimes frozen veggies are > MORE nutritious than fresh because fresh produce may sit around, exposed to > light and oxygen, and travel hundreds of miles, all over several days or > even weeks between harvest and purchase at the market, causing nutrient > loss. Frozen produce, on the other hand, is frozen very soon after harvest > and its nutrients are preserved.) Processed foods make our busy lives > easier, but we still need to make educated choices. > > Dina Aronson > > Thank you Dina, your ideas seemed balanced overall, it is about what we eat overall and not the occasional mistreatment we do to our bodies, but when I am in a hurry I like to eat things like apples or capsicums or as most here would say bell peppers or other raw foods, easy to prepare, plus I have a rice cooker that I can prepare in the morning and its ready when I get home at night, when it comes to pasta, wholemeal varieties or the non wheat one if gluten intolerant, but that white over processed pasta and white rice are really not healthy at least in my eyes ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I agree with you, but I wouldn't go as far to say that just because someone is a vegetarian, they should be held to a higher standard. I didn't sign up to be a role model for healthy eating. I prefer non-processed foods and I try to feed myself and my family as well as I can, but I'm the first to admit using the boxed, frozen veggie patties and such for convenience. I buy store brand soda about once a month and the amount of cookies in my pantry is shameful. But at every meal there is a fresh veggie or fruit and whole grains rather than processed. Just because someone decides to NOT eat meat doesn't automatically make them an ambassador for a healthy diet. We all fall short of perfection, no? Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Jill, You are so right! Robin Jill <jill wrote: I agree with you, but I wouldn't go as far to say that just because someone is a vegetarian, they should be held to a higher standard. I didn't sign up to be a role model for healthy eating. I prefer non-processed foods and I try to feed myself and my family as well as I can, but I'm the first to admit using the boxed, frozen veggie patties and such for convenience. I buy store brand soda about once a month and the amount of cookies in my pantry is shameful. But at every meal there is a fresh veggie or fruit and whole grains rather than processed. Just because someone decides to NOT eat meat doesn't automatically make them an ambassador for a healthy diet. We all fall short of perfection, no? Jill Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Do you have any recommendations? We are trying to move towards a whole food lifestyle, being the parents of three healthy vegetarian children, but we are slowly doing that with new recipe books and so-called picky eating. Our oldest daughter at 7 is just beginning to expand her palate (basically those taste buds grew in...LOL). Thanks, Julie in Georgia , " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond wrote: > > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as > we can!!! What do others think? > Yours Sincerely > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 whole wheat (or other whole grain) pasta instead of white brown rice instead of white whole wheat or corn tortillas instead of white flour whole grain bread beans sneaky veggies (shredded zucchini and carrot under pizza cheese, pulverized spinich or kale in just about sauce, smoothie, soup, chili, etc.). jergisen <jergisen wrote: Do you have any recommendations? We are trying to move towards a whole food lifestyle, being the parents of three healthy vegetarian children, but we are slowly doing that with new recipe books and so-called picky eating. Our oldest daughter at 7 is just beginning to expand her palate (basically those taste buds grew in...LOL). Thanks, Julie in Georgia , " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond wrote: > > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as > we can!!! What do others think? > Yours Sincerely > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Okay now I'm feeling guilty LOL. When nonveg people hear that our family is vegan, they often assume that means health food. But in truth I love to bake cookies/cakes and have sugar and cream in my coffee . It really is hard with my oldest son (13) who grew up on Happy Meals (we've been vegan since 2003). Luckily he likes salads and sub sandwiches, and I try to throw in raw spinach all the time, which he can't taste under the zesty italian dressing. Also bananas are a great snack, fruit juices (100% of course), cut up veggies, applesauce, beans and seeds (the boys love sunflower seeds, plus it helps them get the fat they don't get from fresh veg foods). I am going to try this year to move away from the processed stuff and incorporate more natural, fresh foods in our diets. Stephanie single mom of 2 boys (8yo & 13yo) , " jergisen " <jergisen wrote: > > Do you have any recommendations? > We are trying to move towards a whole food lifestyle, being the parents of three healthy > vegetarian children, but we are slowly doing that with new recipe books and so-called > picky eating. Our oldest daughter at 7 is just beginning to expand her palate (basically > those taste buds grew in...LOL). > > Thanks, > Julie in Georgia > > , " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond@> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, > > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in > > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do > > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on > > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it > > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on > > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what > > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting > > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as > > we can!!! What do others think? > > Yours Sincerely > > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 i couldn't disagree more. people are vegetarians for so many different reasons, and are judged enough by the rest of society, the last thing we need to do is judge each other. maybe we need to spend more time worrying about ourselves and less time criticizing other people's choices, it certainly doesn't hurt anyone else if i choose to survive on veggieburgers, mac and cheese, and diet coke. i think self righteous attitudes like this are one of the reason vegetarian diets have been and still are on the outskirts of " normal " . --- In , " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond wrote: > > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like gluten, > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials in > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! what do > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are on > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this but it > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live on > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying what > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about getting > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best as > we can!!! What do others think? > Yours Sincerely > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I agree, in part. What you propose is in fact the most healthy version of vegetarianism (as far as I know). There can be several resons, though, that can make it hard to follow. Time, money, availability. I don't agree that " junk " vegetarians give vegetarianism a bad image. In fact, when people ask me what do I eat, only salads?, I love to tell them that chips (french fries) are just as much a vegetarian meal as lettuce. It always makes them stay silent for a few seconds, thinking, in chock . I really dislike that in any place that isn't a vegetarian restaurant the vegetarian option that they offer is only a salad, probably with lots of cheese and eggs in it. No rice, no potatos, no pasta. And I have to take away the eggs and cheese, so I end up paying quite an expensive portion of lettuce... so I usually just ask for chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 If you live in the US, it does hurt me when you and everyone else - veg or not- eats garbage. I have to deal with the burden through our healthcare system. Also, since I often set up exhibit and information tables to do veg outreach to the community at large, I have to deal with people saying how they knew other vegetarians who ate such and such and were so unhealthy. Then, there are the ones who used to be veg but got sick from it because they ate garbage. And, they're out their spreading the news about their veg failures. No one lives in a bubble. We live in an interdependent world where all actions are far-reaching. --Allison , " VeggiePrincess " <veggieprincess wrote: > > i couldn't disagree more. people are vegetarians for so many > different reasons, and are judged enough by the rest of society, the > last thing we need to do is judge each other. maybe we need to spend > more time worrying about ourselves and less time criticizing other > people's choices, it certainly doesn't hurt anyone else if i choose > to survive on veggieburgers, mac and cheese, and diet coke. i think > self righteous attitudes like this are one of the reason vegetarian > diets have been and still are on the outskirts of " normal " . --- In > , " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond@> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like > gluten, > > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials > in > > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! > what do > > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are > on > > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this > but it > > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live > on > > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying > what > > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about > getting > > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best > as > > we can!!! What do others think? > > Yours Sincerely > > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I can make the same argument about your cars: every time you get in your car, you are polluting our air and depleting petroleum stocks; about your air conditioner that uses precious resources and creates pollution. The bottom line is that we all do what we can and remember that nothing is accomplished by judging and criticizing. Allison <vegucation wrote: If you live in the US, it does hurt me when you and everyone else - veg or not- eats garbage. I have to deal with the burden through our healthcare system. Also, since I often set up exhibit and information tables to do veg outreach to the community at large, I have to deal with people saying how they knew other vegetarians who ate such and such and were so unhealthy. Then, there are the ones who used to be veg but got sick from it because they ate garbage. And, they're out their spreading the news about their veg failures. No one lives in a bubble. We live in an interdependent world where all actions are far-reaching. --Allison , " VeggiePrincess " <veggieprincess wrote: > > i couldn't disagree more. people are vegetarians for so many > different reasons, and are judged enough by the rest of society, the > last thing we need to do is judge each other. maybe we need to spend > more time worrying about ourselves and less time criticizing other > people's choices, it certainly doesn't hurt anyone else if i choose > to survive on veggieburgers, mac and cheese, and diet coke. i think > self righteous attitudes like this are one of the reason vegetarian > diets have been and still are on the outskirts of " normal " . --- In > , " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond@> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like > gluten, > > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials > in > > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! > what do > > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are > on > > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this > but it > > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live > on > > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying > what > > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about > getting > > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best > as > > we can!!! What do others think? > > Yours Sincerely > > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I have been a vegan my whole life, and all my friends are meat-eater, and apart from the odd attempt at a joke I have hardly heard any comments like the OP. Most people think it is a healthy lifestyle. Sometimes I cook well, other times I don't. But the reason why I am vegan is down to principles and the fact that I don't want to harm animals. Being a healthy diet is just a bonus. And if anyone would say silly comments such as " I know a veggie who is so unhealthy " I'd say well she must have a bad diet, All parents (meat-eaters too) need to be conscious about the food they give their children. In my experience vegetarian parents tend to give their children better diets, and I think if they eat veggie burgers once in a while it is fine. Some people are uneducated about healthy food, and I know that here in the uk more and more programs are on and people are taking note slowly. EZ robin koloms <rkoloms Monday, January 21, 2008 11:08:32 AM Re: Re: Junk Vegetarianism I can make the same argument about your cars: every time you get in your car, you are polluting our air and depleting petroleum stocks; about your air conditioner that uses precious resources and creates pollution. The bottom line is that we all do what we can and remember that nothing is accomplished by judging and criticizing. Allison <vegucation > wrote: If you live in the US, it does hurt me when you and everyone else - veg or not- eats garbage. I have to deal with the burden through our healthcare system. Also, since I often set up exhibit and information tables to do veg outreach to the community at large, I have to deal with people saying how they knew other vegetarians who ate such and such and were so unhealthy. Then, there are the ones who used to be veg but got sick from it because they ate garbage. And, they're out their spreading the news about their veg failures. No one lives in a bubble. We live in an interdependent world where all actions are far-reaching. --Allison @gro ups.com, " VeggiePrincess " <veggieprincess@ ...> wrote: > > i couldn't disagree more. people are vegetarians for so many > different reasons, and are judged enough by the rest of society, the > last thing we need to do is judge each other. maybe we need to spend > more time worrying about ourselves and less time criticizing other > people's choices, it certainly doesn't hurt anyone else if i choose > to survive on veggieburgers, mac and cheese, and diet coke. i think > self righteous attitudes like this are one of the reason vegetarian > diets have been and still are on the outskirts of " normal " . --- In > @gro ups.com, " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond@ > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk > > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like > gluten, > > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials > in > > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!! > what do > > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian > > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are > on > > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But many > > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of > > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this > but it > > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to start > > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to live > on > > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying > what > > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about > getting > > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best > as > > we can!!! What do others think? > > Yours Sincerely > > Colin Hammond a concerned parent > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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