Junk Vegetarianism

[Guest guest]

, Ez Andrews <ezzi08 wrote:

>

> I have been a vegan my whole life, and all my friends are

meat-eater, and apart from the odd attempt at a joke I have hardly

heard any comments like the OP. Most people think it is a healthy

lifestyle.

> Sometimes I cook well, other times I don't. But the reason why I am

vegan is down to principles and the fact that I don't want to harm

animals.

 

What about the harm we are causing to ourselves, by eating junk, at

least most animals eat what is best for their digestive system?

Whether you are a humanist, creationist or of what belief system you

follow, none of them promote self harm.

 

if you put sugar in a petrol tank what happens, it will run rough!!!

if at all!!!

[Guest guest]

Colin,

 

When you give up your air conditioner, candesecent lighting and cars, I'll

give up processed foods.

 

Robin

 

Colin Hammond <nilochammond wrote:

, Ez Andrews <ezzi08 wrote:

>

> I have been a vegan my whole life, and all my friends are

meat-eater, and apart from the odd attempt at a joke I have hardly

heard any comments like the OP. Most people think it is a healthy

lifestyle.

> Sometimes I cook well, other times I don't. But the reason why I am

vegan is down to principles and the fact that I don't want to harm

animals.

 

What about the harm we are causing to ourselves, by eating junk, at

least most animals eat what is best for their digestive system?

Whether you are a humanist, creationist or of what belief system you

follow, none of them promote self harm.

 

if you put sugar in a petrol tank what happens, it will run rough!!!

if at all!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

If you don't mind me saying, you are going to drive yourself insane if you

are truly bothered by other people's eating habits and how they don't align

with your ideals. People are going to have their opinions and attitudes

about veg*nism, whether it's based on experience or myth; the best thing

that you can do is provide the most positive example (both in practice and

in attitude) you want to put forward and influence those around you with

that. Otherwise, it is a recipe for a lot of unhappiness and frustration.

 

Marla

 

 

> , Ez Andrews <ezzi08 wrote:

>>

>> I have been a vegan my whole life, and all my friends are

> meat-eater, and apart from the odd attempt at a joke I have hardly

> heard any comments like the OP. Most people think it is a healthy

> lifestyle.

>> Sometimes I cook well, other times I don't. But the reason why I am

> vegan is down to principles and the fact that I don't want to harm

> animals.

>

> What about the harm we are causing to ourselves, by eating junk, at

> least most animals eat what is best for their digestive system?

> Whether you are a humanist, creationist or of what belief system you

> follow, none of them promote self harm.

>

> if you put sugar in a petrol tank what happens, it will run rough!!!

> if at all!!!

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

> provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

> professional.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

even vegetarian junk food is better than the alternative. If someone doesn't

have anymore sense than to realize that taking the lazy way out in anything

isn't doing them any favors in the longrun, why don't you let them make that

decision for themselves. Critisism doesn't change minds. Does it work for you?

Are you " guilted " into being a vegetarian/vegan because of actions you had no

control over? Or are you trying to " Be the change " -showing compassion just as

you'd like compassion to be shown? We are constantly learning about ourselves.

No one elses happines is your responsibility. I'm better off eating a veggie

burger than a meat burger ANY and EVERYDAY-no matter what brand it is or if I

mixed it up myself. We take baby steps and we grow. If we try to force issues

down peoples throats, that turns them off completely. Haven't you learned that

yet? God Bless you in your journey!

 

*Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child,

as it is to the caterpillar. -- Bradley Miller

*Your life can only be as free as your perception of it.- Deepak Chopra

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Wow, you guys are just slogging it out ! Some of you must just love convenience,

and others seem to be yelling about non judging and stuff. What's really

happening here? I was very surprised to see my vegan friends loading up their

food with soy margarine and sugar. I really thought it all went together as a

whole but apparently not. A long time ago I got tired of trying to tell everyone

wht they were doing to themselves and now I say 'it's not my responsibility to

enlighten you.' That really does it! Of course they want to know things even

more that they have to find out for themselves! It's hard to see people hurting

themselves as well as others. Once in awhile a not so super food won't kill you,

but in the long run we really don't want our friends and world family to suffer

and cause us harm by default. All you can do is be an example and try to be kind

with your remarks. Yes, you're not going to be too bright if you're not feeding

your brain! LOL That would kinda affect

the world if it's wide spread. (and it is)

 

Allison <vegucation wrote: If you live in the US, it does

hurt me when you and everyone else -

veg or not- eats garbage. I have to deal with the burden through our

healthcare system.

 

Also, since I often set up exhibit and information tables to do veg

outreach to the community at large, I have to deal with people saying

how they knew other vegetarians who ate such and such and were so

unhealthy. Then, there are the ones who used to be veg but got sick

from it because they ate garbage. And, they're out their spreading

the news about their veg failures.

 

No one lives in a bubble. We live in an interdependent world where

all actions are far-reaching.

 

--Allison

 

, " VeggiePrincess "

<veggieprincess wrote:

>

> i couldn't disagree more. people are vegetarians for so many

> different reasons, and are judged enough by the rest of society,

the

> last thing we need to do is judge each other. maybe we need to

spend

> more time worrying about ourselves and less time criticizing other

> people's choices, it certainly doesn't hurt anyone else if i choose

> to survive on veggieburgers, mac and cheese, and diet coke. i think

> self righteous attitudes like this are one of the reason vegetarian

> diets have been and still are on the outskirts of " normal " . --- In

> , " Colin Hammond " <nilochammond@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyone, one of my pet hates is to see people live on junk

> > vegetarian food, what I mean by this is living on things like

> gluten,

> > TVP, pasta, cheese, carbonated soft drinks like coke and cordials

> in

> > other words over processed trash, that is as bad as it gets!!!

> what do

> > others think? I know some here are on the diet for humanitarian

> > reasons, some are on it because of religious reasons and some are

> on

> > vegetarian or vegan diets, just because its the best diet. But

many

> > are living on these diets unhealthily and give the name of

> > vegetarianism and veganism a bad name, not only does it do this

> but it

> > also destroys the nutritional value that our children need to

start

> > and grow properly through their lives. I challenge you all to

live

> on

> > a non processed, wholefood vegan diet, intelligently by studying

> what

> > you and our siblings are eating. Because it is not just about

> getting

> > rid of meat in our diets, but its to live to the fullest and best

> as

> > we can!!! What do others think?

> > Yours Sincerely

> > Colin Hammond a concerned parent

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't limit my statements about interdependence to only dietary health. I am

very much an environmentalist and would certainly make those statements about

people polluting with their cars. Changes will only come about by making

judgements about what is right and what is wrong, and then by letting people

know these things are wrong and that there are changes to be made (criticizing).

Of course, it's important to do this with kindness.

 

Incidentally, I bike almost everywhere pulling my son in a trailer. I moved

to where I live specifically so that I would be able to do that even though I

liked where I lived before much more than where I live now. I do the best I can

while striving for the ideal. I know no one is perfect, but I do believe we

should all strive for perfection.

 

--Allison

 

Re: Junk Vegetarianism Posted by: " robin koloms " rkoloms rkoloms

Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:17 am (PST) I can make the same argument about your cars:

every time you get in your car, you are polluting our air and depleting

petroleum stocks; about your air conditioner that uses precious resources and

creates pollution. The bottom line is that we all do what we can and remember

that nothing is accomplished by judging and criticizing.

 

Allison <vegucation > wrote: If you live in the US, it does hurt me

when you and everyone else -

veg or not- eats garbage. I have to deal with the burden through our

healthcare system.

 

Also, since I often set up exhibit and information tables to do veg

outreach to the community at large, I have to deal with people saying

how they knew other vegetarians who ate such and such and were so

unhealthy. Then, there are the ones who used to be veg but got sick

from it because they ate garbage. And, they're out there spreading

the news about their veg failures.

 

No one lives in a bubble. We live in an interdependent world where

all actions are far-reaching.

 

--Allison

 

 

 

 

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Colin Hammond <nilochammond

 

Monday, January 21, 2008 1:06:09 PM

Re: Junk Vegetarianism

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, Ez Andrews <ezzi08 wrote:

 

>

 

> I have been a vegan my whole life, and all my friends are

 

meat-eater, and apart from the odd attempt at a joke I have hardly

 

heard any comments like the OP. Most people think it is a healthy

 

lifestyle.

 

> Sometimes I cook well, other times I don't. But the reason why I am

 

vegan is down to principles and the fact that I don't want to harm

 

animals.

 

 

 

What about the harm we are causing to ourselves, by eating junk, at

 

least most animals eat what is best for their digestive system?

 

Whether you are a humanist, creationist or of what belief system you

 

follow, none of them promote self harm.

 

 

 

if you put sugar in a petrol tank what happens, it will run rough!!!

 

if at all!!!

 

 

I feed my son (9 months) 99% organic foods, and I eat a very healthy diet, so

much so that when I eat something thats " junk " I know my body will not be

affected. And as for my son when he is a lot older, I don't think the rare

burger and chips (we don't eat cheese) for convenience will harm him, if he is

eating a very healthy diet.

Vegan junk food is far healthier than animal derived junk food any day anyway.

My friends already know not to give him sweets, and I will get him healthy

alternatives.

But if do eat veggie junk, it is my choice to " self harm " (an extreme way to put

it), if a person eats junk food that comes from an animal, that animal didn't

have a choice. and that is what I thought veg*n was about.

I think it sad to see any child fed constant junk, but I would be more inclined

to presume that a veggie child will be eating healthier at home.

As others wrote all we can do is try to educate people politely.

I would never feel that another veggies actions represents me, and people that

want to generalize veggies can do so it wouldn't bother me, I see it as their

lack of awareness, I am me and I don't eat animals products, its that simple .

No one else's actions would give me a bad name. I am just glad I am aware, and

know how to eat well.

Here in England the turn around in people becoming aware of their diet is great,

and healthy options are much more available, and organic is everywhere and

becoming more affordable to everyone, so things are getting better. Even the

schools have taken the importance of diet on board so there is hope yet!

 

Ez

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think most vegetarians who eat in a non-optimal way do so simply

because they don't have TIME to cook well.

 

My husband and I are trying very very hard to simplify so that only he

has to work so I'll have time to prepare wholefood meals, wash the

cloth diapers, shop for second-hand clothes, recycle and repair

household items (we made a closet shelving unit out of an old futon

frame recently!), clean the house without using so many chemicals and

energy-using devices, watch our daughter at home, cycle her to her

playgroups instead of driving, etc. So many of the lifestyle choices

that we make as a family take more time than do other people's

choices. I cook pretty much all day Sunday and all day Wednesday

now--it takes a *lot* of time to make fresh, whole meals.

 

But we're finding that our choices are also less expensive. If we

eliminate our paying for day care, eating out/eating convenience

foods, and making a car payment (and maintaining, insuring, and

fueling a car), we come a lot closer to my being able to drop down to

part-time paid work and provide my family with the simpler lifestyle

that we want to live.

 

Our choices also enrich our lives. We don't have a television.

Instead, we spend our evenings preparing dinner, eating dinner, and

cleaning up after dinner--together. We talk to each other while we do

this. We've only got a couple of hours together in the evenings, and

these 3 tasks easily take them up completely, without any time left

for electronic entertainment.

 

I know that it's not possible for everyone, and I live in England (I'm

an American but have been here for several years), where it's easier

to be self-employed and work flexibly. I wish the US would move toward

flexible working so that people could live healthier lives.

[Guest guest]

I have two more months left at a 60 hr pe week job

then I can enjoy taking better care of my family. But

you hit the nail right on the head. My family suffers

& eats some junk eveggie food bc I simply don't have

time to take care of them the way I want to. I am

looking forward to making my home & family my new

full-time job but I know it will take some adjustment

to that lifestyle before we really get the hang of it

all. I think it comes down to the fact that you do

what you know you can do & when you know better & can

do better, then you do it.

--- Kerri <english wrote:

 

> I think most vegetarians who eat in a non-optimal

> way do so simply

> because they don't have TIME to cook well.

>

> My husband and I are trying very very hard to

> simplify so that only he

> has to work so I'll have time to prepare wholefood

> meals, wash the

> cloth diapers, shop for second-hand clothes, recycle

> and repair

> household items (we made a closet shelving unit out

> of an old futon

> frame recently!), clean the house without using so

> many chemicals and

> energy-using devices, watch our daughter at home,

> cycle her to her

> playgroups instead of driving, etc. So many of the

> lifestyle choices

> that we make as a family take more time than do

> other people's

> choices. I cook pretty much all day Sunday and all

> day Wednesday

> now--it takes a *lot* of time to make fresh, whole

> meals.

>

> But we're finding that our choices are also less

> expensive. If we

> eliminate our paying for day care, eating out/eating

> convenience

> foods, and making a car payment (and maintaining,

> insuring, and

> fueling a car), we come a lot closer to my being

> able to drop down to

> part-time paid work and provide my family with the

> simpler lifestyle

> that we want to live.

>

> Our choices also enrich our lives. We don't have a

> television.

> Instead, we spend our evenings preparing dinner,

> eating dinner, and

> cleaning up after dinner--together. We talk to each

> other while we do

> this. We've only got a couple of hours together in

> the evenings, and

> these 3 tasks easily take them up completely,

> without any time left

> for electronic entertainment.

>

> I know that it's not possible for everyone, and I

> live in England (I'm

> an American but have been here for several years),

> where it's easier

> to be self-employed and work flexibly. I wish the US

> would move toward

> flexible working so that people could live healthier

> lives.

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree with the lack of time idea. Nowadays we are in such a

rush, but for what? I feel sometimes that we are in such a hurry we

are missing the fact that life is what is happening NOW, not some

random point in the future.

 

I think companies have cashed in by providing tons of cheap instant

food, such as Poptarts and sugary cereals.

 

I guess for me it is all about trying to find a balance, because let

me tell you I love my Poptarts!

 

I think Kerri, you are doing great for your family. I know not

everyone can be a stay at home parent (I am a single mom going to grad

school and working part time) but spending family time doing the

little things, such as cooking and cleaning afterwards, are very

important.

 

Stephanie

(single mom of 2 boys, 8yo and 13yo)

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Kerri " <english wrote:

>

> I think most vegetarians who eat in a non-optimal way do so simply

> because they don't have TIME to cook well.

>

> My husband and I are trying very very hard to simplify so that only he

> has to work so I'll have time to prepare wholefood meals, wash the

> cloth diapers, shop for second-hand clothes, recycle and repair

> household items (we made a closet shelving unit out of an old futon

> frame recently!), clean the house without using so many chemicals and

> energy-using devices, watch our daughter at home, cycle her to her

> playgroups instead of driving, etc. So many of the lifestyle choices

> that we make as a family take more time than do other people's

> choices. I cook pretty much all day Sunday and all day Wednesday

> now--it takes a *lot* of time to make fresh, whole meals.

>

> But we're finding that our choices are also less expensive. If we

> eliminate our paying for day care, eating out/eating convenience

> foods, and making a car payment (and maintaining, insuring, and

> fueling a car), we come a lot closer to my being able to drop down to

> part-time paid work and provide my family with the simpler lifestyle

> that we want to live.

>

> Our choices also enrich our lives. We don't have a television.

> Instead, we spend our evenings preparing dinner, eating dinner, and

> cleaning up after dinner--together. We talk to each other while we do

> this. We've only got a couple of hours together in the evenings, and

> these 3 tasks easily take them up completely, without any time left

> for electronic entertainment.

>

> I know that it's not possible for everyone, and I live in England (I'm

> an American but have been here for several years), where it's easier

> to be self-employed and work flexibly. I wish the US would move toward

> flexible working so that people could live healthier lives.

>