New Member / Pregnant Sister

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

 

I've been lurking for a few weeks and decided it was time to say

hello. I became a vegetarian about a year ago, and currently eat a

near-vegan diet. My husband followed right behind me and has been

very supportive. Even my 13 year-old step-daughter willingly tries

all of my new recipes and surprised us by ordering a salad with

tofu on it at a restaurant a few weeks back! I've done a lot of

reading over the last year and have made many changes to our diet,

incorporating more whole grains, fruits and vegetables (in addition to

dropping meat and 90% of dairy & eggs). I feel great and wouldn't

have things any other way.

 

I have to apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I

could really use some feedback about my sister, and I can tell that

there are a lot of well-informed and intelligent vegan parents on this

list.

 

My younger sister recently became pregnant (barely out of her first

trimester) after several years of trying. She's been a lacto-ovo

vegetarian for about 15 years because she simply does not like the

taste and texture of meat, fish and most egg products. It's only been

for the last year or so that we've even lived in the same area again,

so I don't know her dietary habits very well, but from the looks of

her kitchen cupboards, she and her non-veg husband eat a fair amount

of refined and convenience foods. I haven't said anything about her

diet because god knows she's already getting pregancy advice from

everybody else and I figure babies are born every day to women with

diets worse than hers.

 

Yesterday, she sent me an e-mail at work asking if I had a recipe for

quiche. She said her doctor was encouraging her to eat more eggs and

at least some fish. I've never made a quiche in my life, but when I

replied, I said if he wanted her to incorporate more protein into her

diet, I had all sorts of recipes that I'd be happy to share so she

wouldn't have to resort to eating eggs (which she doesn't like) or

fish (mercury & toxins, anyone?). I also added that the idea of

combining proteins was a myth, and if she was eating a variety of

healthy foods, she'd get all of the amino acids her body needs.

 

Here was her reply:

 

" He was telling me that there are two amino acids -- veylene and

lysene, I think -- that were difficult to get from plant sources and

are important during pregnancy. He said it's possible to do it on a

strict vegetarian diet, but that incorporating some eggs and fish

would be a lot easier. He also said that some cholesterol is

important, too. He said peanuts were a good source, but that cashews,

almonds, etc. didn't have the amino acids. "

 

I'm just not sure I'm buying what her doctor is saying. Especially

the part about cholesterol....I've read that our bodies naturally make

all of the cholesterol we'll ever need and we don't need to consume it

in our food. Of course, I've never been pregnant, so what do I know?

 

Any thoughts?

 

Kristen

[Guest guest]

Hi Kristen,

You could recommend the Sharon Yntema books - Vegetarian Baby and the

New Vegetarian Baby, I think they're called. Really good descriptions

of what moms need to eat and what babies need to eat, and how vegetarian

sources are great for everything. Maybe she could get a new doc, too.

:-)

Best of luck,

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of Kristen

Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:44 PM

 

New Member / Pregnant Sister

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been lurking for a few weeks and decided it was time to say

hello. I became a vegetarian about a year ago, and currently eat a

near-vegan diet. My husband followed right behind me and has been

very supportive. Even my 13 year-old step-daughter willingly tries

all of my new recipes and surprised us by ordering a salad with

tofu on it at a restaurant a few weeks back! I've done a lot of

reading over the last year and have made many changes to our diet,

incorporating more whole grains, fruits and vegetables (in addition to

dropping meat and 90% of dairy & eggs). I feel great and wouldn't

have things any other way.

 

I have to apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I

could really use some feedback about my sister, and I can tell that

there are a lot of well-informed and intelligent vegan parents on this

list.

 

My younger sister recently became pregnant (barely out of her first

trimester) after several years of trying. She's been a lacto-ovo

vegetarian for about 15 years because she simply does not like the

taste and texture of meat, fish and most egg products. It's only been

for the last year or so that we've even lived in the same area again,

so I don't know her dietary habits very well, but from the looks of

her kitchen cupboards, she and her non-veg husband eat a fair amount

of refined and convenience foods. I haven't said anything about her

diet because god knows she's already getting pregancy advice from

everybody else and I figure babies are born every day to women with

diets worse than hers.

 

Yesterday, she sent me an e-mail at work asking if I had a recipe for

quiche. She said her doctor was encouraging her to eat more eggs and

at least some fish. I've never made a quiche in my life, but when I

replied, I said if he wanted her to incorporate more protein into her

diet, I had all sorts of recipes that I'd be happy to share so she

wouldn't have to resort to eating eggs (which she doesn't like) or

fish (mercury & toxins, anyone?). I also added that the idea of

combining proteins was a myth, and if she was eating a variety of

healthy foods, she'd get all of the amino acids her body needs.

 

Here was her reply:

 

" He was telling me that there are two amino acids -- veylene and

lysene, I think -- that were difficult to get from plant sources and

are important during pregnancy. He said it's possible to do it on a

strict vegetarian diet, but that incorporating some eggs and fish

would be a lot easier. He also said that some cholesterol is

important, too. He said peanuts were a good source, but that cashews,

almonds, etc. didn't have the amino acids. "

 

I'm just not sure I'm buying what her doctor is saying. Especially

the part about cholesterol....I've read that our bodies naturally make

all of the cholesterol we'll ever need and we don't need to consume it

in our food. Of course, I've never been pregnant, so what do I know?

 

Any thoughts?

 

Kristen

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes - we make all the cholesterol we need, pregnant or not.

 

Eating a variety of fruit, veg, legumes, nuts & seeds and whole grains she will

get plenty of all the amino acids, including Valine and Lysine. If she eats

enough calories from a variety of healthy sources, she will get enough protein.

 

Table 3 at this site shows the amts of Valine (Val) and Lysine (Lys) - even if

she only ate limited plant foods in one day- some of which are not usually

thought of as high protein sources - like potatoes, corn and rice.

 

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

 

There are plenty of vegan and veg RD's that can advise her on nutrition during

veg pregnancy. Dr's don't always know what they are talking about because they

are not trained in nutrition.

 

D

 

 

 

 

>Kristen <Ladybug810

>Mar 8, 2008 3:43 PM

>

> New Member / Pregnant Sister

>

>Hi everyone,

>

>I've been lurking for a few weeks and decided it was time to say

>hello. I became a vegetarian about a year ago, and currently eat a

>near-vegan diet. My husband followed right behind me and has been

>very supportive. Even my 13 year-old step-daughter willingly tries

>all of my new recipes and surprised us by ordering a salad with

>tofu on it at a restaurant a few weeks back! I've done a lot of

>reading over the last year and have made many changes to our diet,

>incorporating more whole grains, fruits and vegetables (in addition to

>dropping meat and 90% of dairy & eggs). I feel great and wouldn't

>have things any other way.

>

>I have to apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I

>could really use some feedback about my sister, and I can tell that

>there are a lot of well-informed and intelligent vegan parents on this

>list.

>

>My younger sister recently became pregnant (barely out of her first

>trimester) after several years of trying. She's been a lacto-ovo

>vegetarian for about 15 years because she simply does not like the

>taste and texture of meat, fish and most egg products. It's only been

>for the last year or so that we've even lived in the same area again,

>so I don't know her dietary habits very well, but from the looks of

>her kitchen cupboards, she and her non-veg husband eat a fair amount

>of refined and convenience foods. I haven't said anything about her

>diet because god knows she's already getting pregancy advice from

>everybody else and I figure babies are born every day to women with

>diets worse than hers.

>

>Yesterday, she sent me an e-mail at work asking if I had a recipe for

>quiche. She said her doctor was encouraging her to eat more eggs and

>at least some fish. I've never made a quiche in my life, but when I

>replied, I said if he wanted her to incorporate more protein into her

>diet, I had all sorts of recipes that I'd be happy to share so she

>wouldn't have to resort to eating eggs (which she doesn't like) or

>fish (mercury & toxins, anyone?). I also added that the idea of

>combining proteins was a myth, and if she was eating a variety of

>healthy foods, she'd get all of the amino acids her body needs.

>

>Here was her reply:

>

> " He was telling me that there are two amino acids -- veylene and

>lysene, I think -- that were difficult to get from plant sources and

>are important during pregnancy. He said it's possible to do it on a

>strict vegetarian diet, but that incorporating some eggs and fish

>would be a lot easier. He also said that some cholesterol is

>important, too. He said peanuts were a good source, but that cashews,

>almonds, etc. didn't have the amino acids. "

>

>I'm just not sure I'm buying what her doctor is saying. Especially

>the part about cholesterol....I've read that our bodies naturally make

>all of the cholesterol we'll ever need and we don't need to consume it

>in our food. Of course, I've never been pregnant, so what do I know?

>

>Any thoughts?

>

>Kristen

>

[Guest guest]

The fats are very important for organ development of the baby. That said, there

are plenty of healthy vegan pregnancies. I HATE narrow minded doctors.

 

Kristen <Ladybug810 wrote: Hi everyone,

 

I've been lurking for a few weeks and decided it was time to say

hello. I became a vegetarian about a year ago, and currently eat a

near-vegan diet. My husband followed right behind me and has been

very supportive. Even my 13 year-old step-daughter willingly tries

all of my new recipes and surprised us by ordering a salad with

tofu on it at a restaurant a few weeks back! I've done a lot of

reading over the last year and have made many changes to our diet,

incorporating more whole grains, fruits and vegetables (in addition to

dropping meat and 90% of dairy & eggs). I feel great and wouldn't

have things any other way.

 

I have to apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I

could really use some feedback about my sister, and I can tell that

there are a lot of well-informed and intelligent vegan parents on this

list.

 

My younger sister recently became pregnant (barely out of her first

trimester) after several years of trying. She's been a lacto-ovo

vegetarian for about 15 years because she simply does not like the

taste and texture of meat, fish and most egg products. It's only been

for the last year or so that we've even lived in the same area again,

so I don't know her dietary habits very well, but from the looks of

her kitchen cupboards, she and her non-veg husband eat a fair amount

of refined and convenience foods. I haven't said anything about her

diet because god knows she's already getting pregancy advice from

everybody else and I figure babies are born every day to women with

diets worse than hers.

 

Yesterday, she sent me an e-mail at work asking if I had a recipe for

quiche. She said her doctor was encouraging her to eat more eggs and

at least some fish. I've never made a quiche in my life, but when I

replied, I said if he wanted her to incorporate more protein into her

diet, I had all sorts of recipes that I'd be happy to share so she

wouldn't have to resort to eating eggs (which she doesn't like) or

fish (mercury & toxins, anyone?). I also added that the idea of

combining proteins was a myth, and if she was eating a variety of

healthy foods, she'd get all of the amino acids her body needs.

 

Here was her reply:

 

" He was telling me that there are two amino acids -- veylene and

lysene, I think -- that were difficult to get from plant sources and

are important during pregnancy. He said it's possible to do it on a

strict vegetarian diet, but that incorporating some eggs and fish

would be a lot easier. He also said that some cholesterol is

important, too. He said peanuts were a good source, but that cashews,

almonds, etc. didn't have the amino acids. "

 

I'm just not sure I'm buying what her doctor is saying. Especially

the part about cholesterol....I've read that our bodies naturally make

all of the cholesterol we'll ever need and we don't need to consume it

in our food. Of course, I've never been pregnant, so what do I know?

 

Any thoughts?

 

Kristen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

hi kristin!

 

your sister may be referring to two essential amino acids, valine and either

lycene or leucine. leucine is essential for growth and in addition to

animal products is found in sufficient amounts in wheat germ and oats.

lycine is high in animal products and also abundantly available from wheat

germ, legumes and many fruits and vegetables. as for valine, it's truly

bizarre that her doctor would feel this to be a concern because it's

available in large quantities in MOST foods, whether of plant or animal

origin.

 

a healthy liver makes all the cholesterol a body needs. an unhealthy liver

might be a concern but as long as your sister is in reasonably good health

there is no reason to believe that she needs to supplement cholesterol in

her diet; it's not an " essential " nutrient.

 

also, perhaps, let her know that most medical educations don't require more

than the most basic of nutrition courses and if she's truly concerned about

her diet in pregnancy, she'd be well-advised to visit a registered

nutritionist and NOT take information from what sounds like a very biased

doctor. (very possible that he's been infected by WAPF...and really, who

hasn't these days? UGH!) the most important thing in pregnancy is to get

plenty of protein (which is abundant in a div erse veg diet) and to eat as

many whole, clean, fresh, preferably organic and local foods as possible.

 

hope to help!

chandelle

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 wrote:

 

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've been lurking for a few weeks and decided it was time to say

> hello. I became a vegetarian about a year ago, and currently eat a

> near-vegan diet. My husband followed right behind me and has been

> very supportive. Even my 13 year-old step-daughter willingly tries

> all of my new recipes and surprised us by ordering a salad with

> tofu on it at a restaurant a few weeks back! I've done a lot of

> reading over the last year and have made many changes to our diet,

> incorporating more whole grains, fruits and vegetables (in addition to

> dropping meat and 90% of dairy & eggs). I feel great and wouldn't

> have things any other way.

>

> I have to apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I

> could really use some feedback about my sister, and I can tell that

> there are a lot of well-informed and intelligent vegan parents on this

> list.

>

> My younger sister recently became pregnant (barely out of her first

> trimester) after several years of trying. She's been a lacto-ovo

> vegetarian for about 15 years because she simply does not like the

> taste and texture of meat, fish and most egg products. It's only been

> for the last year or so that we've even lived in the same area again,

> so I don't know her dietary habits very well, but from the looks of

> her kitchen cupboards, she and her non-veg husband eat a fair amount

> of refined and convenience foods. I haven't said anything about her

> diet because god knows she's already getting pregancy advice from

> everybody else and I figure babies are born every day to women with

> diets worse than hers.

>

> Yesterday, she sent me an e-mail at work asking if I had a recipe for

> quiche. She said her doctor was encouraging her to eat more eggs and

> at least some fish. I've never made a quiche in my life, but when I

> replied, I said if he wanted her to incorporate more protein into her

> diet, I had all sorts of recipes that I'd be happy to share so she

> wouldn't have to resort to eating eggs (which she doesn't like) or

> fish (mercury & toxins, anyone?). I also added that the idea of

> combining proteins was a myth, and if she was eating a variety of

> healthy foods, she'd get all of the amino acids her body needs.

>

> Here was her reply:

>

> " He was telling me that there are two amino acids -- veylene and

> lysene, I think -- that were difficult to get from plant sources and

> are important during pregnancy. He said it's possible to do it on a

> strict vegetarian diet, but that incorporating some eggs and fish

> would be a lot easier. He also said that some cholesterol is

> important, too. He said peanuts were a good source, but that cashews,

> almonds, etc. didn't have the amino acids. "

>

> I'm just not sure I'm buying what her doctor is saying. Especially

> the part about cholesterol....I've read that our bodies naturally make

> all of the cholesterol we'll ever need and we don't need to consume it

> in our food. Of course, I've never been pregnant, so what do I know?

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Kristen

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

" religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called science,

and no one would believe in it. "

 

~stephen colbert

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

yep me too. two vegan pregnancies, two vegan toddlers 2.5 and 4yrs old. i

think she could get a more supportive doctor and community, sometimes

on-line community is the easiest one! but, then, you gotta let her make her

own decisions. passing on recipes and stuff - when asked - is probably the

least confrontational.

 

pen

 

 

On 3/10/08, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb wrote:

>

> Hi Kristen,

>

> I went through two vegetarian pregnancies, both of which resulted in

> healthy babes! And I did NOT take prenatal vitamins. This was because

> when I started taking them they made me feel sick. I had even bought

> some at the natural food store and they still made me sick. So upon

> talking to my doctor (who knew I was vegetarian and was very supportive

> of it) she suggested that I just keep taking the daily multivitamin that

> I have always been taking and to take a folic acid supplement each day.

> That's it. She had no other worries, never suggested I eat things

> outside of a vegetarian diet, etc. Both pregnancies were healthy, both

> kids were healthy and are now healthy vegetarians (ages 3.5 and 1.5).

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Pen

Harvey b 12/03 and Sasha b 08/05

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

i think you're pretty amazing for not getting all over her about her diet; i

confess to being pretty bad about it myself even though i ate CRAP during

both of my vegetarian pregnancies. i had one vegetarian pregnancy and one

vegan pregnancy and they were both hard in different ways; now i realize

that a lot of my problem might have been a B-vitamin deficiency (not

necessarily because of the veg*nism but because i just ate crappy

overall...a lot of prepared foods, a lot of cereal, a lot of sugar, etc....i

really struggle eating well in pregnancy because there is so little i can

keep down, and most that i can keep down is horrible). both labors were

also hard in different ways but i survived both to have unmedicated births,

and even had a homebirth with my second; i gave birth standing up in my

bedroom and my husband caught her (well...sort of) because she came so fast

at the end. the human body is amazingly resilient, but of course it's best

to eat as clean, healthy and safe as we possibly can. it's sad that your

sister doesn't have more support. in this day and age she can surely find a

doctor who's going to support her dietary choices; in both pregnancies i was

practically applauded for staying away from animal foods, because they

contain the most toxins and often toxins are the biggest risk to a

developing fetus. of course i had midwives, who tend to be quite educated

in nutrition, but even the pediatricians i've taken my children to have said

that my vegan children are the healthiest they've ever seen and they wish

other parents were half as conscientious as we are about their kids' diets.

such doctors are out there, and they're worth looking for. we parents have

enough to fight about with the world at large without having to defend our

practices to doctors who should know better.

 

chandelle

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I can't find the original post now, but did the doctor say to eat nuts for

cholesterol or did I misread that? Plant foods don't contain cholesterol of

course. If he was saying she could eat nuts for good fats and protein that is

different.

 

I second what others have said...most doctors know little about nutrition. I

was vegan for several years before giving birth to my first and it was a great

pregnancy and birth and he is a healthy 8 year old now. He does have a

congenital heart defect, but that isn't diet related in fact his doctors

(pediatric cardiologist and pediatrician) say his vegan diet is why he hasn't

had any symptoms and is so healthy. My younger two (almost 4 years and one 6

months old) are also very healthy and were birthed at unassisted at home with no

issues whatsoever. We've never heard anything but good things about their diet

and how active and healthy they are.

 

Good luck to your sister!

 

Linda

http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

" we parents have

enough to fight about with the world at large without having to defend our

practices to doctors who should know better. "

I want to bring this to my dr. office, as he was questioning my nursing of my 21

m.o.daughter.

I truly agree with you, as I was not a veggie when I was pregnant, and ate a

half gallon of ice cream every other day!

Cassie

 

chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i

think you're pretty amazing for not getting all over her about her diet; i

confess to being pretty bad about it myself even though i ate CRAP during

both of my vegetarian pregnancies. i had one vegetarian pregnancy and one

vegan pregnancy and they were both hard in different ways; now i realize

that a lot of my problem might have been a B-vitamin deficiency (not

necessarily because of the veg*nism but because i just ate crappy

overall...a lot of prepared foods, a lot of cereal, a lot of sugar, etc....i

really struggle eating well in pregnancy because there is so little i can

keep down, and most that i can keep down is horrible). both labors were

also hard in different ways but i survived both to have unmedicated births,

and even had a homebirth with my second; i gave birth standing up in my

bedroom and my husband caught her (well...sort of) because she came so fast

at the end. the human body is amazingly resilient, but of course it's best

to eat as clean, healthy and safe as we possibly can. it's sad that your

sister doesn't have more support. in this day and age she can surely find a

doctor who's going to support her dietary choices; in both pregnancies i was

practically applauded for staying away from animal foods, because they

contain the most toxins and often toxins are the biggest risk to a

developing fetus. of course i had midwives, who tend to be quite educated

in nutrition, but even the pediatricians i've taken my children to have said

that my vegan children are the healthiest they've ever seen and they wish

other parents were half as conscientious as we are about their kids' diets.

such doctors are out there, and they're worth looking for. we parents have

enough to fight about with the world at large without having to defend our

practices to doctors who should know better.

 

chandelle

 

[Guest guest]

cassie, you should let your doctor know that the major health organizations

of the world recommend nursing for at least two years, if not longer.

 

chandelle

 

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet

wrote:

 

> " we parents have

> enough to fight about with the world at large without having to defend our

> practices to doctors who should know better. "

> I want to bring this to my dr. office, as he was questioning my nursing of

> my 21 m.o.daughter.

> I truly agree with you, as I was not a veggie when I was pregnant, and ate

> a half gallon of ice cream every other day!

> Cassie

>

> chandelle' <earthmother213 <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> i think you're pretty amazing for not getting all over her about her diet; i

>

> confess to being pretty bad about it myself even though i ate CRAP during

> both of my vegetarian pregnancies. i had one vegetarian pregnancy and one

> vegan pregnancy and they were both hard in different ways; now i realize

> that a lot of my problem might have been a B-vitamin deficiency (not

> necessarily because of the veg*nism but because i just ate crappy

> overall...a lot of prepared foods, a lot of cereal, a lot of sugar,

> etc....i

> really struggle eating well in pregnancy because there is so little i can

> keep down, and most that i can keep down is horrible). both labors were

> also hard in different ways but i survived both to have unmedicated

> births,

> and even had a homebirth with my second; i gave birth standing up in my

> bedroom and my husband caught her (well...sort of) because she came so

> fast

> at the end. the human body is amazingly resilient, but of course it's best

> to eat as clean, healthy and safe as we possibly can. it's sad that your

> sister doesn't have more support. in this day and age she can surely find

> a

> doctor who's going to support her dietary choices; in both pregnancies i

> was

> practically applauded for staying away from animal foods, because they

> contain the most toxins and often toxins are the biggest risk to a

> developing fetus. of course i had midwives, who tend to be quite educated

> in nutrition, but even the pediatricians i've taken my children to have

> said

> that my vegan children are the healthiest they've ever seen and they wish

> other parents were half as conscientious as we are about their kids'

> diets.

> such doctors are out there, and they're worth looking for. we parents have

> enough to fight about with the world at large without having to defend our

> practices to doctors who should know better.

>

> chandelle

>

>

[Guest guest]

Change doctors; medicine is a consumer good. If you don't like your car

mechanic, you don't keep going back. The World Health Association recommends

breast feeding for a minimum of two years.

 

Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: " we parents have

enough to fight about with the world at large without having to defend our

practices to doctors who should know better. "

I want to bring this to my dr. office, as he was questioning my nursing of my 21

m.o.daughter.

I truly agree with you, as I was not a veggie when I was pregnant, and ate a

half gallon of ice cream every other day!

Cassie

 

chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i think you're pretty amazing for

not getting all over her about her diet; i

confess to being pretty bad about it myself even though i ate CRAP during

both of my vegetarian pregnancies. i had one vegetarian pregnancy and one

vegan pregnancy and they were both hard in different ways; now i realize

that a lot of my problem might have been a B-vitamin deficiency (not

necessarily because of the veg*nism but because i just ate crappy

overall...a lot of prepared foods, a lot of cereal, a lot of sugar, etc....i

really struggle eating well in pregnancy because there is so little i can

keep down, and most that i can keep down is horrible). both labors were

also hard in different ways but i survived both to have unmedicated births,

and even had a homebirth with my second; i gave birth standing up in my

bedroom and my husband caught her (well...sort of) because she came so fast

at the end. the human body is amazingly resilient, but of course it's best

to eat as clean, healthy and safe as we possibly can. it's sad that your

sister doesn't have more support. in this day and age she can surely find a

doctor who's going to support her dietary choices; in both pregnancies i was

practically applauded for staying away from animal foods, because they

contain the most toxins and often toxins are the biggest risk to a

developing fetus. of course i had midwives, who tend to be quite educated

in nutrition, but even the pediatricians i've taken my children to have said

that my vegan children are the healthiest they've ever seen and they wish

other parents were half as conscientious as we are about their kids' diets.

such doctors are out there, and they're worth looking for. we parents have

enough to fight about with the world at large without having to defend our

practices to doctors who should know better.

 

chandelle