Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker Paige _____ On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 My son is also in Montessori school. He is only 13 months, but there are several non-vegan activities that have taken place at school. I spoke to the teachers ahead of time and very clearly discussed the reasons we are vegan, and what activities DS may or may not participate in. i.e. no coloring Easter Eggs, so I provided small wooden eggs for him to color; but he may participate in crafts using glue - even though most glues contain casein. Our school has a very wide range of cultures and backgrounds, so there are a lot of children with special circumstances and the teachers welcome our input. For things like the cheese slicing activity, you may offer to provide blocks of soy cheese either just for your son, or depending on your budget and size of the class, to provide for the class. Maybe blocks of tofu instead of cheese. Or even bananas need to be sliced sometimes Ask the teachers for the months curriculum so you don't have to be surprised that morning of an activity or if it is switched, and make sure you have the alternatives on hand and easy for the teachers. As far as being asked to pick up ranch dressing, you may want to discuss that you don't buy that product for your own family, and do not feel comfortable buying it for the class, so what alternatives would be appropriate. It might be nice to expose children to these alternatives to milk based treats too. Or you could make some yourself if you are feeling adventursome. I think the Hidden Valley Ranch fat-free mix is vegan - I tried it once a long time ago, but then we stopped using it because it has MSG in it. You can get a ranch mix, and use a mix, plus vegenaise, and some soy milk to make a ranch substitute, or if you want to mix up your own at home, you could try this recipe: *Vegan Ranch Dressing* 1/3 cup silken tofu 2/3 cup soy/rice plain milk (or any other vegan milk) one clove garlic 1/4 tsp. salt 1 tsp. dried parsley 1 tsp. dried chives fresh grated black pepper 1 tbsp. fresh lemon juice Put all ingredients into a blender or food processor and blend until smooth. Makes one cup. You will probably find that the teachers and staff at your school want to be accomodating, they just need information. They don't think of the hidden ingredients, but it really is not their job too. You just have to keep educating without nagging. I also make sure not to sound " better than thou " when discussing things with his teachers. I find that we bring lots of treats for the class - there are only 12 total so it's not too bad. Part of my challenge with the treats provided is not just the vegan part, but the artificial flavors, added corn syrup, GMO ingredients, etc... What other products are you having difficulty with - it is hard to find alternatives sometimes, but that is why you have all of us:) On 3/31/08, Vicki Thompson <vickthompson wrote: > > I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and > soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long > time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from > Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school > and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the > children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition > is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to > their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center > jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other > aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and > since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some > products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it > with > the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these > challenges as well. > > Vicki > > _____ > > <%40> [ > <%40>] On > Behalf Of Paige > Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM > <%40> > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Chandelle, > > I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to > discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf > school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the > felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into > the > Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of > the challenges. > > Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. > > gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com > > Paige > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com > [@gro <%40> ups.com] > On > Behalf Of chandelle' > Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM > @gro <%40> ups.com > [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school > > yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can > do > holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's > being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many > veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school > that > are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a > lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our > kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and > crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us > like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! > > chandelle > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) > <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > > > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > > > Kristen (Sandy) > > > > @gro <%40> ups.com > <%40>, Katie > > Norris <norris929 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > > vegan. > > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > > though you kill animals. " > > > Good Luck! > > > Katie > > > > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi Lorraine, Please help me understand the process with felt? Haven't heard of it as an issue before. Thanks! Janeen Lorraine <ldemi Monday, March 31, 2008 2:16:24 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendli ness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker% 40roadrunner. com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son' s waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810@ . <Ladybug810% 40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <% 40. com> ups.com <% 40. com>, Katie > Norris <norris929@. ..> > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > @. ..: earthmother213@ ...: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildre n are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternat ivecommunityhasb eenhugelyimporta ntasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstrea m.idon'tknowhoww e'lldealwithitwh enourkidsreceive un > pleasanttreatmentfo rtheirveganism. ..sadly,forus, they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandell e > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 i don't know much about montessori, but at waldorf schools, the problem is generally what the kids play with, not what they eat. in my husband's school, for example, they always have vegan food, and it's often raw as well. they never have processed or packaged food, no additives, preservatives or coloring. i suppose part of it might be my husband's influence (vegan) or his assistant's influence (raw), but we've been looking at a lot of other waldorf schools lately and their menu usually looks just like the one at this school - all whole foods, often grown by the children themselves, no dairy or eggs and certainly no meat. chandelle On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Lorraine <ldemi wrote: > Hi Vicki, > We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two > (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd > be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in > Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even > beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things > with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they > exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse > religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a > vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and > the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is > tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. > Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the > vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! > Thanks!! > Lorraine > > > > <%40> [ > <%40>] On > Behalf Of Vicki Thompson > Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM > <%40> > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and > soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long > time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition > from > Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori > school > and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the > children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this > transition > is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to > their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center > jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are > other > aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and > since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some > products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it > with > the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these > challenges as well. > > Vicki > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] On > Behalf Of Paige > Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM > @gro <%40> ups.com > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Chandelle, > > I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to > discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf > school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the > felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into > the > Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some > of > the challenges. > > Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. > > gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com > > Paige > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] > On > Behalf Of chandelle' > Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM > @gro <%40> ups.com > [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school > > yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can > do > holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by > what's > being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many > veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school > that > are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get > a > lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our > kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and > crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat > us > like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! > > chandelle > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) > <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > > > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > > > Kristen (Sandy) > > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > <%40>, Katie > > Norris <norris929 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > > vegan. > > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > > though you kill animals. " > > > Good Luck! > > > Katie > > > > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Thank you Susan for the ranch dressing recipe. This will come in handy as the kids love their ranch dippy. I know I just need to talk to the teachers and I am sure they will be very accommodating. So far they have been wonderful. It just hadn't even occurred to me that I will need to until I read this thread. We are very lucky in our choice of schools. The Head of School is very health conscious and doesn't allow any sugar or artificial snacks or foods. Thanks, Vicki _____ On Behalf Of Susan Williams Monday, March 31, 2008 12:19 PM Re: Re: Re: kids in school My son is also in Montessori school. He is only 13 months, but there are several non-vegan activities that have taken place at school. I spoke to the teachers ahead of time and very clearly discussed the reasons we are vegan, and what activities DS may or may not participate in. i.e. no coloring Easter Eggs, so I provided small wooden eggs for him to color; but he may participate in crafts using glue - even though most glues contain casein. Our school has a very wide range of cultures and backgrounds, so there are a lot of children with special circumstances and the teachers welcome our input. For things like the cheese slicing activity, you may offer to provide blocks of soy cheese either just for your son, or depending on your budget and size of the class, to provide for the class. Maybe blocks of tofu instead of cheese. Or even bananas need to be sliced sometimes Ask the teachers for the months curriculum so you don't have to be surprised that morning of an activity or if it is switched, and make sure you have the alternatives on hand and easy for the teachers. As far as being asked to pick up ranch dressing, you may want to discuss that you don't buy that product for your own family, and do not feel comfortable buying it for the class, so what alternatives would be appropriate. It might be nice to expose children to these alternatives to milk based treats too. Or you could make some yourself if you are feeling adventursome. I think the Hidden Valley Ranch fat-free mix is vegan - I tried it once a long time ago, but then we stopped using it because it has MSG in it. You can get a ranch mix, and use a mix, plus vegenaise, and some soy milk to make a ranch substitute, or if you want to mix up your own at home, you could try this recipe: *Vegan Ranch Dressing* 1/3 cup silken tofu 2/3 cup soy/rice plain milk (or any other vegan milk) one clove garlic 1/4 tsp. salt 1 tsp. dried parsley 1 tsp. dried chives fresh grated black pepper 1 tbsp. fresh lemon juice Put all ingredients into a blender or food processor and blend until smooth. Makes one cup. You will probably find that the teachers and staff at your school want to be accomodating, they just need information. They don't think of the hidden ingredients, but it really is not their job too. You just have to keep educating without nagging. I also make sure not to sound " better than thou " when discussing things with his teachers. I find that we bring lots of treats for the class - there are only 12 total so it's not too bad. Part of my challenge with the treats provided is not just the vegan part, but the artificial flavors, added corn syrup, GMO ingredients, etc... What other products are you having difficulty with - it is hard to find alternatives sometimes, but that is why you have all of us:) On 3/31/08, Vicki Thompson <vickthompson@ <vickthompson%40comcast.net> comcast.net> wrote: > > I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and > soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long > time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from > Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school > and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the > children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition > is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to > their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center > jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other > aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and > since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some > products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it > with > the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these > challenges as well. > > Vicki > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40> [ > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>] On > Behalf Of Paige > Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40> > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Chandelle, > > I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to > discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf > school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the > felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into > the > Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of > the challenges. > > Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. > > gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com > > Paige > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com > [@gro <%40> ups.com] > On > Behalf Of chandelle' > Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM > @gro <%40> ups.com > [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school > > yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can > do > holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's > being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many > veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school > that > are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a > lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our > kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and > crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us > like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! > > chandelle > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) > <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > > > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > > > Kristen (Sandy) > > > > @gro <%40> ups.com > <%40>, Katie > > Norris <norris929 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > > vegan. > > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > > though you kill animals. " > > > Good Luck! > > > Katie > > > > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Check out this link about sheep/wool industry: http://www.peta.org/factsheetFactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=55 The felt in Waldorf is wool. On 4/1/08, janeen minguillo <jminshan wrote: > > Hi Lorraine, > Please help me understand the process with felt? Haven't heard of it as an > issue before. Thanks! > Janeen > > > Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu>> > <%40> > Monday, March 31, 2008 2:16:24 PM > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Hi Vicki, > We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two > (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd > be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in > Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even > beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things > with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they > exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse > religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a > vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and > the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is > tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. > Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the > vegetarian-friendli ness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! > Thanks!! > Lorraine > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On > Behalf Of Vicki Thompson > Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM > @gro ups.com > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and > soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long > time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition > from > Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori > school > and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the > children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this > transition > is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to > their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center > jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are > other > aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and > since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some > products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it > with > the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these > challenges as well. > > Vicki > > _____ > > @gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com > [@ gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com] On > Behalf Of Paige > Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM > @gro <% <%25> 40. > com> ups.com > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Chandelle, > > I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to > discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf > school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the > felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into > the > Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some > of > the challenges. > > Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. > > gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker% <gosstucker%25> 40roadrunner. com> > er.com > > Paige > > _____ > > @gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com > [@ gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com] > On > Behalf Of chandelle' > Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM > @gro <% <%25> 40. > com> ups.com > [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school > > yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can > do > holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by > what's > being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many > veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son' s waldorf school > that > are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get > a > lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our > kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and > crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat > us > like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! > > chandelle > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810@ . > <Ladybug810% <Ladybug810%25> 40> com> wrote: > > > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > > > Kristen (Sandy) > > > > @gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com > <% 40. com>, Katie > > Norris <norris929@. ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > > vegan. > > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > > though you kill animals. " > > > Good Luck! > > > Katie > > > > > > > > > @. ..: earthmother213@ ...: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > > choices...mychildre n are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > > findingthatalternat ivecommunityhasb eenhugelyimporta ntasfar as > > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > > entrenchedmainstrea m.idon'tknowhoww e'lldealwithitwh enourkidsreceive > un > > pleasanttreatmentfo rtheirveganism. ..sadly,forus, they'll probably > > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandell e > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi Janeen, My issue is only with wool felt (mentioned because it's a common craft item in natural-focused schools). My concern is that wool is sometimes sheared from sheep who are restrained by the shearer (adult human) kneeling on the sheep's body to hold it still, which hurts the sheep - the sheep are sometimes knicked by the shears in the process, causing open wounds, and I can't imagine they get out of the process without bruises from human knees and rough treatment of the " commodity " - and when they are sheared during cold weather, it means the sheep lose the natural warmth of their wool during the coldest part of the year. It's more about the inhumane treatment of sheep just to make a sweater or craft project for us. I just learned from another post that humanely gathered wool is possible to get, which if I read about it more, might change my mind on this. The funny thing is that I was so sad when we decided wool wasn't cool with us, and that meant the end to my grand thrift-store collection of wool sweaters . . . but a couple years later, I developed a sensitivity to wool anyway, so I itch if I even touch it now. (Hmmm, my body reminding me of my mind's decision? I wonder.) :-) Have a great day, Lorraine On Behalf Of janeen minguillo Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:13 AM Re: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Lorraine, Please help me understand the process with felt? Haven't heard of it as an issue before. Thanks! Janeen Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > @gro <%40> ups.com Monday, March 31, 2008 2:16:24 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendli ness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker% 40roadrunner. com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son' s waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810@ . <Ladybug810% 40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <% 40. com> ups.com <% 40. com>, Katie > Norris <norris929@. ..> > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > @. ..: earthmother213@ ...: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildre n are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternat ivecommunityhasb eenhugelyimporta ntasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstrea m.idon'tknowhoww e'lldealwithitwh enourkidsreceive un > pleasanttreatmentfo rtheirveganism. ..sadly,forus, they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandell e > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi Susan, Oh, I forgot about the mulesing. Ugh. Thanks for another reminder of why I won't be giving in on this issue any time soon. Oh, and add that to my previous list of why no wool in our craft projects. Yuck. Lorraine On Behalf Of Susan Williams Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:32 AM Re: Re: Re: kids in school Check out this link about sheep/wool industry: http://www.peta. <http://www.peta.org/factsheetFactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=55> org/factsheetFactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=55 The felt in Waldorf is wool. On 4/1/08, janeen minguillo <jminshan (AT) (DOT) <jminshan%40> com> wrote: > > Hi Lorraine, > Please help me understand the process with felt? Haven't heard of it as an > issue before. Thanks! > Janeen > > > Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> <ldemi%40ucsd.edu>> > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40> > Monday, March 31, 2008 2:16:24 PM > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Hi Vicki, > We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two > (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd > be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in > Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even > beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things > with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they > exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse > religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a > vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and > the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is > tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. > Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the > vegetarian-friendli ness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! > Thanks!! > Lorraine > > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On > Behalf Of Vicki Thompson > Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM > @gro ups.com > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and > soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long > time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition > from > Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori > school > and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the > children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this > transition > is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to > their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center > jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are > other > aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and > since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some > products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it > with > the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these > challenges as well. > > Vicki > > _____ > > @gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com > [@ gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com] On > Behalf Of Paige > Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM > @gro <% <%25> 40. > com> ups.com > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Chandelle, > > I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to > discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf > school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the > felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into > the > Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some > of > the challenges. > > Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. > > gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker% <gosstucker%25> 40roadrunner. com> > er.com > > Paige > > _____ > > @gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com > [@ gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com] > On > Behalf Of chandelle' > Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM > @gro <% <%25> 40. > com> ups.com > [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school > > yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can > do > holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by > what's > being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many > veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son' s waldorf school > that > are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get > a > lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our > kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and > crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat > us > like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! > > chandelle > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810@ . > <Ladybug810% <Ladybug810%25> 40> com> wrote: > > > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > > > Kristen (Sandy) > > > > @gro <% <%25>40. com> > ups.com > <% 40. com>, Katie > > Norris <norris929@. ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > > vegan. > > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > > though you kill animals. " > > > Good Luck! > > > Katie > > > > > > > > > @. ..: earthmother213@ ...: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > > choices...mychildre n are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > > findingthatalternat ivecommunityhasb eenhugelyimporta ntasfar as > > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > > entrenchedmainstrea m.idon'tknowhoww e'lldealwithitwh enourkidsreceive > un > > pleasanttreatmentfo rtheirveganism. ..sadly,forus, they'll probably > > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandell e > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Thanks for taking the time. Hadn't realized that felt to wool connection before. Janeen Lorraine <ldemi wrote: Hi Janeen, My issue is only with wool felt (mentioned because it's a common craft item in natural-focused schools). My concern is that wool is sometimes sheared from sheep who are restrained by the shearer (adult human) kneeling on the sheep's body to hold it still, which hurts the sheep - the sheep are sometimes knicked by the shears in the process, causing open wounds, and I can't imagine they get out of the process without bruises from human knees and rough treatment of the " commodity " - and when they are sheared during cold weather, it means the sheep lose the natural warmth of their wool during the coldest part of the year. It's more about the inhumane treatment of sheep just to make a sweater or craft project for us. I just learned from another post that humanely gathered wool is possible to get, which if I read about it more, might change my mind on this. The funny thing is that I was so sad when we decided wool wasn't cool with us, and that meant the end to my grand thrift-store collection of wool sweaters . . . but a couple years later, I developed a sensitivity to wool anyway, so I itch if I even touch it now. (Hmmm, my body reminding me of my mind's decision? I wonder.) :-) Have a great day, Lorraine On Behalf Of janeen minguillo Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:13 AM Re: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Lorraine, Please help me understand the process with felt? Haven't heard of it as an issue before. Thanks! Janeen Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > @gro <%40> ups.com Monday, March 31, 2008 2:16:24 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendli ness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker% 40roadrunner. com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son' s waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810@ . <Ladybug810% 40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <% 40. com> ups.com <% 40. com>, Katie > Norris <norris929@. ..> > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > @. ..: earthmother213@ ...: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildre n are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternat ivecommunityhasb eenhugelyimporta ntasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstrea m.idon'tknowhoww e'lldealwithitwh enourkidsreceive un > pleasanttreatmentfo rtheirveganism. ..sadly,forus, they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandell e > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi Vicki, Oh, I didn't mean to offend by saying " misuse of religion. " What I was referring to is schools that teach that Montessori is based on one specific faith, like an inextricable link between one religion and a learning method, when I haven't found in my research that Montessori was based on a religion, but easily incorporated into all faiths, if a faith-based school is preferred. I prefer teaching about all religions as equally important in our world, which from what I've read, is in line with Maria Montessori's beliefs. Sorry for any confusion in my truncated statement. And thanks so much for your input on the Montessori environment. It's really helpful to hear how different schools function, and look forward to finding our Montessori home. :-) Thank you! A couple more questions - what kinds of Montessori things to you incorporate into your home? (ugh, I know you're going to say we have to clean up the toy drawers!) :-) And do you recommend any books about incorporating Montessori methods in the home to prepare a child to entering Montessori school? Thanks!!! Have a great day, Lorraine On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:14 AM RE: Re: Re: kids in school We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 My daughter was in a Montessori based (though not affiliated) school for kindergarten and first grade. She was bored and needed more structure than the school provided. We were lucky that she was accepted into a public school that did a much better job of meeting her needs. Lorraine <ldemi wrote: Hi Vicki, Oh, I didn't mean to offend by saying " misuse of religion. " What I was referring to is schools that teach that Montessori is based on one specific faith, like an inextricable link between one religion and a learning method, when I haven't found in my research that Montessori was based on a religion, but easily incorporated into all faiths, if a faith-based school is preferred. I prefer teaching about all religions as equally important in our world, which from what I've read, is in line with Maria Montessori's beliefs. Sorry for any confusion in my truncated statement. And thanks so much for your input on the Montessori environment. It's really helpful to hear how different schools function, and look forward to finding our Montessori home. :-) Thank you! A couple more questions - what kinds of Montessori things to you incorporate into your home? (ugh, I know you're going to say we have to clean up the toy drawers!) :-) And do you recommend any books about incorporating Montessori methods in the home to prepare a child to entering Montessori school? Thanks!!! Have a great day, Lorraine On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:14 AM RE: Re: Re: kids in school We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi Robin, Oh, that's interesting. Did your daughter go to preschool or focused daycare before that? Maybe something more structured? I hadn't thought to worry about the possibility of our son being bored in a Montessori setting. I've actually been concerned that Montessori might be too much structure sometimes for our free-playing son - like the pink blocks are to be used for this exercise, not for any other, and not mixed with other items. Our son delights in making one thing be another in another setting - toy rocks that came with a toy dump truck become falafel balls in his play kitchen, a play apron becomes a cape for a super hero outside, etc. And he's really self-driven in his play, likely due to being an only child, I don't know - so that has made us feel like Montessori would be a good match for him, and we'll just have to see what happens with the structured use of the Montessori tools. I guess each kid is different so I'll just have to see what works for him. I'm so glad you found a school that's working for your daughter! Isn't this an interesting task we have - finding the education/care setting that fits our child's personality, learning style, etc. I think our parents just dropped us off at the school down the street, and bob's your uncle. :-) Did you have any issues at your Montessori with vegetarian concerns? Thanks for your input! Lorraine On Behalf Of robin koloms Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:32 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school My daughter was in a Montessori based (though not affiliated) school for kindergarten and first grade. She was bored and needed more structure than the school provided. We were lucky that she was accepted into a public school that did a much better job of meeting her needs. Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > wrote: Hi Vicki, Oh, I didn't mean to offend by saying " misuse of religion. " What I was referring to is schools that teach that Montessori is based on one specific faith, like an inextricable link between one religion and a learning method, when I haven't found in my research that Montessori was based on a religion, but easily incorporated into all faiths, if a faith-based school is preferred. I prefer teaching about all religions as equally important in our world, which from what I've read, is in line with Maria Montessori's beliefs. Sorry for any confusion in my truncated statement. And thanks so much for your input on the Montessori environment. It's really helpful to hear how different schools function, and look forward to finding our Montessori home. :-) Thank you! A couple more questions - what kinds of Montessori things to you incorporate into your home? (ugh, I know you're going to say we have to clean up the toy drawers!) :-) And do you recommend any books about incorporating Montessori methods in the home to prepare a child to entering Montessori school? Thanks!!! Have a great day, Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:14 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 It would help if I attached the link. http://www.weirdolls.com/ _____ On Behalf Of janeen minguillo Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:13 AM [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Lorraine, Please help me understand the process with felt? Haven't heard of it as an issue before. Thanks! Janeen Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > @gro <%40> ups.com Monday, March 31, 2008 2:16:24 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendli ness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker% 40roadrunner. com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [@ gro <% 40. com> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <% 40. com> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son' s waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810@ . <Ladybug810% 40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <% 40. com> ups.com <% 40. com>, Katie > Norris <norris929@. ..> > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > @. ..: earthmother213@ ...: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildre n are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternat ivecommunityhasb eenhugelyimporta ntasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstrea m.idon'tknowhoww e'lldealwithitwh enourkidsreceive un > pleasanttreatmentfo rtheirveganism. ..sadly,forus, they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandell e > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Chandelle, That is in line with the waldorf we attend as well. In fact you will end up with a parent conference if you so much as bring a lunchable through the gate. Very into whole foods, homeopathy and natural living. The teachers support our choices in eating preferences, although sometimes they wish we were vegetarian rather than vegan as the teachers we know advocate cheese for children and butter, not sure why? So overall is great, also on our end except for the crafts: a lot of wool and bee products. Paige _____ On Behalf Of chandelle' Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:44 AM [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: Re: kids in school i don't know much about montessori, but at waldorf schools, the problem is generally what the kids play with, not what they eat. in my husband's school, for example, they always have vegan food, and it's often raw as well. they never have processed or packaged food, no additives, preservatives or coloring. i suppose part of it might be my husband's influence (vegan) or his assistant's influence (raw), but we've been looking at a lot of other waldorf schools lately and their menu usually looks just like the one at this school - all whole foods, often grown by the children themselves, no dairy or eggs and certainly no meat. chandelle On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > wrote: > Hi Vicki, > We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two > (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd > be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in > Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even > beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things > with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they > exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse > religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a > vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and > the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is > tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. > Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the > vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! > Thanks!! > Lorraine > > > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40> [ > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>] On > Behalf Of Vicki Thompson > Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40> > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and > soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long > time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition > from > Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori > school > and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the > children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this > transition > is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to > their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center > jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are > other > aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and > since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some > products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it > with > the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these > challenges as well. > > Vicki > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] On > Behalf Of Paige > Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM > @gro <%40> ups.com > RE: Re: Re: kids in school > > Chandelle, > > I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to > discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf > school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the > felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into > the > Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some > of > the challenges. > > Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. > > gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com > > Paige > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] > On > Behalf Of chandelle' > Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM > @gro <%40> ups.com > [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school > > yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can > do > holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by > what's > being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many > veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school > that > are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get > a > lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our > kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and > crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat > us > like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! > > chandelle > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) > <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > > > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > > > Kristen (Sandy) > > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > <%40>, Katie > > Norris <norris929 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > > vegan. > > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > > though you kill animals. " > > > Good Luck! > > > Katie > > > > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 *I've actually been concerned that Montessori might be too much structure sometimes for our free-playing son - like the pink blocks are to be used for this exercise, not for any other, and not mixed with other items. * what is the purpose of such a restriction? chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 i might be responding to the wrong post but i wanted to second the promotion of organization and household duties for even the smallest children. we have two small bookshelves, one for books and one for toys. (this is a great way to restrict how many toys we buy and have out, also, which is great because too many toys means the kids don't play.) all of the toys have their own basket, i.e. wooden cars in one basket, musical instruments in another, play cloths in another, babies in another, and so on. the kids are free to play with whatever they want, however they want, as much as they want, but from the youngest age they have learned to put everything back where it belongs when they are done, which is made dramatically easier by having a specific place for everything. they also take off their own shoes and coats and put them away. my son (3) also helps a lot with household activities, such as sweeping, cleaning the toilet, making dinner, vacuuming, gardening, and so on. in fact, that's his favorite activity - being by our sides as we do household chores. i don't know much about montessori, but we were inspired to do it this way through waldorf methods, so i guess they have that in common. chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Lorraine, I am in Southern CA also. My son is in Kindergarten at Highland Hall in Northridge. The school is based on a Waldorf curricula rather than Montessori methods, but I highly recommend it as an option. They have mommy and me classes and are a K-12 school. Current building plans involve green buildings that are 100% off the grid. A long-term project, but such a great thing to support in addition to my child getting a fantastic education that is developmentally appropriate. (just wanted to throw that in as an option). http://www.highlandhall.org/ Paige PS- let me know if you are aware of any meet groups in our area- I am definitely interested in getting together with like minded parents for play dates. _____ On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 11:16 AM [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 We haven't run into any such restrictions. DS plays with the rings from one exercise and the tower from another. One part of the structure is they learn that you do one thing at a time, and then you put that exercise away before you get out something else. The exercise is structured, but there is freedom in that the children " play " with what they want. It's not a typical school structure where we have craft time from 8 - 9, then music from 9 - 10, etc. The children get to do what they want based on their interest at the time. I think it is beneficial to responsibility, but it is not for everyone. Susan On 4/1/08, chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > *I've actually been concerned that Montessori might be too much > structure sometimes for our free-playing son - like the pink blocks are > to be used for this exercise, not for any other, and not mixed with > other items. * > > what is the purpose of such a restriction? > > chandelle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 * although sometimes they wish we were vegetarian rather than vegan as the teachers we know advocate cheese for children and butter, not sure why? * uh, yeah...that would be because so many waldorf teachers have been infected by the WAPF. rudolf steiner was actually a vegetarian, so, kinda weird, but he also said something about kids needing milk to ground them to the earth, or something random like that, and sadly lots of waldorfy people take steiner's work as the word 'o god. :::sigh::: my husband is a in a teacher training program at steiner college in sacramento and last year they had a discussion of nutrition based on sally fallon's " work. " yuck, yuck, yuck. :*( the whole " white flight " thing bothers me. a lot. a lot of the reason we want to move out of utah is so our children won't grow up with the mistaken belief that everyone in the world is white, upper middle class and mormon. the high expense of most waldorf schools is prohibitive to many families and that lack of diversity really gets to me. hey, the only reason we can afford it ourselves is because my husband teaches there. but this is why my husband has always intended to open a free waldorf community school someday, within the next few years. chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 just to make it clear, i'm not bashing anyone who is white, upper middle class or mormon...just saying, i don't want that to be all my kids know of other people. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:14 AM, chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > * although sometimes they wish we > were vegetarian rather than vegan as the teachers we know advocate cheese > for children and butter, not sure why? * > > uh, yeah...that would be because so many waldorf teachers have been > infected by the WAPF. rudolf steiner was actually a vegetarian, so, > kinda weird, but he also said something about kids needing milk to ground > them to the earth, or something random like that, and sadly lots of waldorfy > people take steiner's work as the word 'o god. :::sigh::: my husband is a > in a teacher training program at steiner college in sacramento and last year > they had a discussion of nutrition based on sally fallon's " work. " yuck, > yuck, yuck. :*( > > the whole " white flight " thing bothers me. a lot. a lot of the reason we > want to move out of utah is so our children won't grow up with the mistaken > belief that everyone in the world is white, upper middle class and mormon. > the high expense of most waldorf schools is prohibitive to many families and > that lack of diversity really gets to me. hey, the only reason we can > afford it ourselves is because my husband teaches there. but this is why my > husband has always intended to open a free waldorf community school someday, > within the next few years. > > chandelle -- " religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called science, and no one would believe in it. " ~stephen colbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Hi Chandelle, Lack of diversity was a huge reason why we pulled our daughter out of private school and why we stayed in Chicago. Come to the flatland! Robin chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: just to make it clear, i'm not bashing anyone who is white, upper middle class or mormon...just saying, i don't want that to be all my kids know of other people. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:14 AM, chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > * although sometimes they wish we > were vegetarian rather than vegan as the teachers we know advocate cheese > for children and butter, not sure why? * > > uh, yeah...that would be because so many waldorf teachers have been > infected by the WAPF. rudolf steiner was actually a vegetarian, so, > kinda weird, but he also said something about kids needing milk to ground > them to the earth, or something random like that, and sadly lots of waldorfy > people take steiner's work as the word 'o god. :::sigh::: my husband is a > in a teacher training program at steiner college in sacramento and last year > they had a discussion of nutrition based on sally fallon's " work. " yuck, > yuck, yuck. :*( > > the whole " white flight " thing bothers me. a lot. a lot of the reason we > want to move out of utah is so our children won't grow up with the mistaken > belief that everyone in the world is white, upper middle class and mormon. > the high expense of most waldorf schools is prohibitive to many families and > that lack of diversity really gets to me. hey, the only reason we can > afford it ourselves is because my husband teaches there. but this is why my > husband has always intended to open a free waldorf community school someday, > within the next few years. > > chandelle -- " religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called science, and no one would believe in it. " ~stephen colbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 We struggled to find a school also that was not white, upper middle, etc. We found one Mont. School that is owned by and Indian family, but at least 90% of the children were all the same - the school we finally ended up at has a great diverse group. DS is one of only 2 other white kids in his class - and the school has lots of religious backgrounds including a Hindu family and several Muslim families. Religion doesn't really come up in class, but I wanted to make sure just like you said that my kid knows that not everyone looks the same or believes the same. Susan On 4/2/08, chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > just to make it clear, i'm not bashing anyone who is white, upper middle > class or mormon...just saying, i don't want that to be all my kids know of > other people. > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:14 AM, chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > * although sometimes they wish we > > were vegetarian rather than vegan as the teachers we know advocate > cheese > > for children and butter, not sure why? * > > > > uh, yeah...that would be because so many waldorf teachers have been > > infected by the WAPF. rudolf steiner was actually a vegetarian, so, > > kinda weird, but he also said something about kids needing milk to > ground > > them to the earth, or something random like that, and sadly lots of > waldorfy > > people take steiner's work as the word 'o god. :::sigh::: my husband is > a > > in a teacher training program at steiner college in sacramento and last > year > > they had a discussion of nutrition based on sally fallon's " work. " yuck, > > yuck, yuck. :*( > > > > the whole " white flight " thing bothers me. a lot. a lot of the reason we > > want to move out of utah is so our children won't grow up with the > mistaken > > belief that everyone in the world is white, upper middle class and > mormon. > > the high expense of most waldorf schools is prohibitive to many families > and > > that lack of diversity really gets to me. hey, the only reason we can > > afford it ourselves is because my husband teaches there. but this is why > my > > husband has always intended to open a free waldorf community school > someday, > > within the next few years. > > > > chandelle > > -- > " religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called > science, > and no one would believe in it. " > > ~stephen colbert > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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