Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi Lorraine.. No worries, No offense was taken. I genuinely didn't know what you meant by the phrase and wanted to answer your question to the best of my abilities. My children were a little older when we found Montessori. They had been homeschooled for a number of years and I found myself returning to work full time. We wanted to be sure to find a school with similar educational philosophies as our own (child/interest directed learning.) The biggest aspects of Montessori that we have brought home are that of fostering independence and organization. We made sure that rooms were set up so that even our youngest (4years) could retrieve and return items. (ie. Coat hooks at his level), low shelving and drawers in his room. Shelving and small baskets/bins for toys (yes, no toy boxes.) All of the children take responsibility in all areas of the home. They put their own dishes in the dishwasher for example. My older two put away their own clothes. The youngest child has his own broom and dust pan that are his size since he can't manage the adult one yet. A sense of order and structure has also begun to emerge that didn't exist when the kids and I were home all day. I credit much of this to Montessori Method. For the oldest two we have continued much of the same types of philosophies that already existed in our home. That of independent learning (ie we look up answers to questions even when I could easily answer it, etc) We were recommended a couple books when we first started with the school: http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref=p d_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref= pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/019532526 5/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/01953252 65/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7 Hope that answers your questions. Vicki _____ On Behalf Of Lorraine Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:52 PM RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, Oh, I didn't mean to offend by saying " misuse of religion. " What I was referring to is schools that teach that Montessori is based on one specific faith, like an inextricable link between one religion and a learning method, when I haven't found in my research that Montessori was based on a religion, but easily incorporated into all faiths, if a faith-based school is preferred. I prefer teaching about all religions as equally important in our world, which from what I've read, is in line with Maria Montessori's beliefs. Sorry for any confusion in my truncated statement. And thanks so much for your input on the Montessori environment. It's really helpful to hear how different schools function, and look forward to finding our Montessori home. :-) Thank you! A couple more questions - what kinds of Montessori things to you incorporate into your home? (ugh, I know you're going to say we have to clean up the toy drawers!) :-) And do you recommend any books about incorporating Montessori methods in the home to prepare a child to entering Montessori school? Thanks!!! Have a great day, Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:14 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Hi Vicki, Thank you so much - this info is very helpful! I'll definitely check out those books! And we're doing most of the things you noted here at home, but we could work more on structure and order . . . we're really pretty laid back about how and when things happen, we do most of the toy-picking-up, and in general I'm fine with all this since he's only 3. Until now, we've been really easy going about letting him set our schedule and adjusting our lives around his needs as a baby and small child. It just feels natural to have this merge into a self-paced, self-driven setting, and I'm still hoping we'll find a Montessori setting that is that and not so much structure and rules that he'll be shocked. Anyone have input on Montessori for younger kids (age 3-4) and whether the structure/rules/policies were too much for kids used to a really unstructured environment with few policies and rules? Thanks in advance! And thanks again, Vicki! Lorraine On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:00 PM RE: OT Montessori Education Hi Lorraine.. No worries, No offense was taken. I genuinely didn't know what you meant by the phrase and wanted to answer your question to the best of my abilities. My children were a little older when we found Montessori. They had been homeschooled for a number of years and I found myself returning to work full time. We wanted to be sure to find a school with similar educational philosophies as our own (child/interest directed learning.) The biggest aspects of Montessori that we have brought home are that of fostering independence and organization. We made sure that rooms were set up so that even our youngest (4years) could retrieve and return items. (ie. Coat hooks at his level), low shelving and drawers in his room. Shelving and small baskets/bins for toys (yes, no toy boxes.) All of the children take responsibility in all areas of the home. They put their own dishes in the dishwasher for example. My older two put away their own clothes. The youngest child has his own broom and dust pan that are his size since he can't manage the adult one yet. A sense of order and structure has also begun to emerge that didn't exist when the kids and I were home all day. I credit much of this to Montessori Method. For the oldest two we have continued much of the same types of philosophies that already existed in our home. That of independent learning (ie we look up answers to questions even when I could easily answer it, etc) We were recommended a couple books when we first started with the school: http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ ref=p> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref=p d_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ ref=> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref= pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1 http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 32526> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/019532526 5/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 3252> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/01953252 65/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7 Hope that answers your questions. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:52 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, Oh, I didn't mean to offend by saying " misuse of religion. " What I was referring to is schools that teach that Montessori is based on one specific faith, like an inextricable link between one religion and a learning method, when I haven't found in my research that Montessori was based on a religion, but easily incorporated into all faiths, if a faith-based school is preferred. I prefer teaching about all religions as equally important in our world, which from what I've read, is in line with Maria Montessori's beliefs. Sorry for any confusion in my truncated statement. And thanks so much for your input on the Montessori environment. It's really helpful to hear how different schools function, and look forward to finding our Montessori home. :-) Thank you! A couple more questions - what kinds of Montessori things to you incorporate into your home? (ugh, I know you're going to say we have to clean up the toy drawers!) :-) And do you recommend any books about incorporating Montessori methods in the home to prepare a child to entering Montessori school? Thanks!!! Have a great day, Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:14 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Hi Lorraine. I would call the structure in a Montessori class room a " gentle " structure. It is certainly not the type of structure that is traditionally thought of in schools, which is what interested us. The children are allowed to choose their activities and they work at this activity for as long as they are interested (although generally the teachers encourage them to complete what they started.) The teachers are sometimes called Directors/Directresses because their job is more of gently guiding a child's education. The child's progress is self-paced in that the teachers never push a child to do a work that is beyond them. The materials in the classroom (works) are each designed to teach a set of skills that are progressive. And yes each " work " can only be used for the different activities it was designed for There are a set number of ways the children use each work so that they will " discover " this facts or skills on their own. Again the teacher guides the discovery but does not necessarily " teach " the lesson. There is a simple schedule to their day on when they do individual work, when they eat lunch, when they do circle time, as well as for what is done during these times. For example, What are the lunch procedures in the class room..My 4 year old is asked to set his place, then get his lunch and wait for everyone to be seated to eat. After lunch they clear their plates. Wash their plates (The teachers put them in the dishwasher after school to make sure the job was well done.) and put their lunch box away. They procedure is followed the same way ever day. My 4 year old LOVES school. The structure and order didn't overwhelm him at all (and this is my little rebel.) The older classroom has less structure to it than the younger classroom. My 6 and 9 year olds' only timed activity is lunch and recess in the good weather. Lessons are spontaneous through out the day and are driving by the children's interest. Since the classroom is small (only 9 kids) the children often seem to have the same interests at the same time as they like doing things together. Other Montessori classrooms do less group activities and more individual. I would strongly encourage you to go and visit a number of schools and ask to sit in and observe a classroom. We visited 3 and while there were similarities in all we found differences as well. Some adhere stronger to Maria Montessori's original curriculum, others tend to structure themselves more like traditional classrooms and use her ideas and techniques. Most are somewhere in between. We chose a school that is run very much how Maria Montessori intended. Vicki _____ On Behalf Of Lorraine Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:12 PM RE: RE: OT Montessori Education Hi Vicki, Thank you so much - this info is very helpful! I'll definitely check out those books! And we're doing most of the things you noted here at home, but we could work more on structure and order . . . we're really pretty laid back about how and when things happen, we do most of the toy-picking-up, and in general I'm fine with all this since he's only 3. Until now, we've been really easy going about letting him set our schedule and adjusting our lives around his needs as a baby and small child. It just feels natural to have this merge into a self-paced, self-driven setting, and I'm still hoping we'll find a Montessori setting that is that and not so much structure and rules that he'll be shocked. Anyone have input on Montessori for younger kids (age 3-4) and whether the structure/rules/policies were too much for kids used to a really unstructured environment with few policies and rules? Thanks in advance! And thanks again, Vicki! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:00 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: OT Montessori Education Hi Lorraine.. No worries, No offense was taken. I genuinely didn't know what you meant by the phrase and wanted to answer your question to the best of my abilities. My children were a little older when we found Montessori. They had been homeschooled for a number of years and I found myself returning to work full time. We wanted to be sure to find a school with similar educational philosophies as our own (child/interest directed learning.) The biggest aspects of Montessori that we have brought home are that of fostering independence and organization. We made sure that rooms were set up so that even our youngest (4years) could retrieve and return items. (ie. Coat hooks at his level), low shelving and drawers in his room. Shelving and small baskets/bins for toys (yes, no toy boxes.) All of the children take responsibility in all areas of the home. They put their own dishes in the dishwasher for example. My older two put away their own clothes. The youngest child has his own broom and dust pan that are his size since he can't manage the adult one yet. A sense of order and structure has also begun to emerge that didn't exist when the kids and I were home all day. I credit much of this to Montessori Method. For the oldest two we have continued much of the same types of philosophies that already existed in our home. That of independent learning (ie we look up answers to questions even when I could easily answer it, etc) We were recommended a couple books when we first started with the school: http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ ref=p> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref=p d_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ ref=> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref= pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1 http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 32526> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/019532526 5/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 3252> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/01953252 65/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7 Hope that answers your questions. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:52 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, Oh, I didn't mean to offend by saying " misuse of religion. " What I was referring to is schools that teach that Montessori is based on one specific faith, like an inextricable link between one religion and a learning method, when I haven't found in my research that Montessori was based on a religion, but easily incorporated into all faiths, if a faith-based school is preferred. I prefer teaching about all religions as equally important in our world, which from what I've read, is in line with Maria Montessori's beliefs. Sorry for any confusion in my truncated statement. And thanks so much for your input on the Montessori environment. It's really helpful to hear how different schools function, and look forward to finding our Montessori home. :-) Thank you! A couple more questions - what kinds of Montessori things to you incorporate into your home? (ugh, I know you're going to say we have to clean up the toy drawers!) :-) And do you recommend any books about incorporating Montessori methods in the home to prepare a child to entering Montessori school? Thanks!!! Have a great day, Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:14 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Hi Vicki, Gentle structure sounds perfect! I'll keep that phrase in mind! We're definitely going to visit many of the local schools - though some have already knocked themselves off our visit list via simple things like the video one has on their website where you hear the director in the background loudly reprimanding a child that he was doing something wrong, stop, no, move back, you're doing it all wrong, no. That just ain't going to work for us. (And really, they can put anything they want on their website and they put that??) So, thank you for helping us with more description of how your school works internally - very helpful! Lorraine On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:10 AM RE: RE: OT Montessori Education Hi Lorraine. I would call the structure in a Montessori class room a " gentle " structure. It is certainly not the type of structure that is traditionally thought of in schools, which is what interested us. The children are allowed to choose their activities and they work at this activity for as long as they are interested (although generally the teachers encourage them to complete what they started.) The teachers are sometimes called Directors/Directresses because their job is more of gently guiding a child's education. The child's progress is self-paced in that the teachers never push a child to do a work that is beyond them. The materials in the classroom (works) are each designed to teach a set of skills that are progressive. And yes each " work " can only be used for the different activities it was designed for There are a set number of ways the children use each work so that they will " discover " this facts or skills on their own. Again the teacher guides the discovery but does not necessarily " teach " the lesson. There is a simple schedule to their day on when they do individual work, when they eat lunch, when they do circle time, as well as for what is done during these times. For example, What are the lunch procedures in the class room..My 4 year old is asked to set his place, then get his lunch and wait for everyone to be seated to eat. After lunch they clear their plates. Wash their plates (The teachers put them in the dishwasher after school to make sure the job was well done.) and put their lunch box away. They procedure is followed the same way ever day. My 4 year old LOVES school. The structure and order didn't overwhelm him at all (and this is my little rebel.) The older classroom has less structure to it than the younger classroom. My 6 and 9 year olds' only timed activity is lunch and recess in the good weather. Lessons are spontaneous through out the day and are driving by the children's interest. Since the classroom is small (only 9 kids) the children often seem to have the same interests at the same time as they like doing things together. Other Montessori classrooms do less group activities and more individual. I would strongly encourage you to go and visit a number of schools and ask to sit in and observe a classroom. We visited 3 and while there were similarities in all we found differences as well. Some adhere stronger to Maria Montessori's original curriculum, others tend to structure themselves more like traditional classrooms and use her ideas and techniques. Most are somewhere in between. We chose a school that is run very much how Maria Montessori intended. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:12 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: RE: OT Montessori Education Hi Vicki, Thank you so much - this info is very helpful! I'll definitely check out those books! And we're doing most of the things you noted here at home, but we could work more on structure and order . . . we're really pretty laid back about how and when things happen, we do most of the toy-picking-up, and in general I'm fine with all this since he's only 3. Until now, we've been really easy going about letting him set our schedule and adjusting our lives around his needs as a baby and small child. It just feels natural to have this merge into a self-paced, self-driven setting, and I'm still hoping we'll find a Montessori setting that is that and not so much structure and rules that he'll be shocked. Anyone have input on Montessori for younger kids (age 3-4) and whether the structure/rules/policies were too much for kids used to a really unstructured environment with few policies and rules? Thanks in advance! And thanks again, Vicki! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:00 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: OT Montessori Education Hi Lorraine.. No worries, No offense was taken. I genuinely didn't know what you meant by the phrase and wanted to answer your question to the best of my abilities. My children were a little older when we found Montessori. They had been homeschooled for a number of years and I found myself returning to work full time. We wanted to be sure to find a school with similar educational philosophies as our own (child/interest directed learning.) The biggest aspects of Montessori that we have brought home are that of fostering independence and organization. We made sure that rooms were set up so that even our youngest (4years) could retrieve and return items. (ie. Coat hooks at his level), low shelving and drawers in his room. Shelving and small baskets/bins for toys (yes, no toy boxes.) All of the children take responsibility in all areas of the home. They put their own dishes in the dishwasher for example. My older two put away their own clothes. The youngest child has his own broom and dust pan that are his size since he can't manage the adult one yet. A sense of order and structure has also begun to emerge that didn't exist when the kids and I were home all day. I credit much of this to Montessori Method. For the oldest two we have continued much of the same types of philosophies that already existed in our home. That of independent learning (ie we look up answers to questions even when I could easily answer it, etc) We were recommended a couple books when we first started with the school: http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ > com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ ref=p> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref=p d_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ > com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ ref=> com/How-Raise-Amazing-Child-Montessori/dp/075662505X/ref= pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-1 http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 > com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 32526> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/019532526 5/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 > com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/0195 3252> com/Montessori-Science-Angeline-Stoll-Lillard/dp/01953252 65/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7> & s=books & qid=1207079203 & sr=8-7 Hope that answers your questions. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:52 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, Oh, I didn't mean to offend by saying " misuse of religion. " What I was referring to is schools that teach that Montessori is based on one specific faith, like an inextricable link between one religion and a learning method, when I haven't found in my research that Montessori was based on a religion, but easily incorporated into all faiths, if a faith-based school is preferred. I prefer teaching about all religions as equally important in our world, which from what I've read, is in line with Maria Montessori's beliefs. Sorry for any confusion in my truncated statement. And thanks so much for your input on the Montessori environment. It's really helpful to hear how different schools function, and look forward to finding our Montessori home. :-) Thank you! A couple more questions - what kinds of Montessori things to you incorporate into your home? (ugh, I know you're going to say we have to clean up the toy drawers!) :-) And do you recommend any books about incorporating Montessori methods in the home to prepare a child to entering Montessori school? Thanks!!! Have a great day, Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:14 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school We absolutely LOVE our Montessori school. Being Ovo-lacto you would probably have less conflicts. We really hadn't had any concern until deciding to eliminate dairy from our diet. Montessori curriculum contains an area in the younger years called Practical life. Here the children learn to do a number of household type things from dusting and scrubbing activities, cutting and pouring activities, etc. As far as non vegetarian friendly activities would mostly consist of slicing cheese, spreading some type of spread (that may or may not be vegan), pouring milk, etc. I haven't heard about any activities involving leather, beeswax or felting etc. I would be mostly sensitive to leather. I don't necessarily object to beeswax and as a spinner, knitter, etc I use wool myself (although I try to each the source.) The older children do learn weaving, knitting and crocheting but so far they have been using acrylic yarn. Montessori schools will all have their own policy regarding lunch. Our school insists on a fairly healthy lunch. They don't insist on vegetarian however all children must bring a natural lunch. Nothing artificial, pre-packaged processed, etc. I am not sure what you mean by " misuse " religion. Maria Montessori was a Christian and some of her original writing on education reflect this. Our Montessori school is a Christian school as well. But when we were visiting schools we found that the large majority of them are non-sectarian, secular schools. We really had to search for one that was Christian. It really depends on the Head of School and how she/he wants to school to be run. I would imagine it would also depend on your community. Hope that helps. We love Montessori and incorporate many of the concepts into our own home. If you have any other questions I would be happy to share what I know. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Lorraine Monday, March 31, 2008 1:16 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Hi Vicki, We're looking into Montessori for our child in the next year or two (Mommy-and-me program in the next year, kindergarten in 2 years), so I'd be very interested in hearing anything that is non-vegetarian in Montessori. We're lacto-ovos, so I'm fine with cheese slicing or even beeswax stuff (like mentioned in the Waldorf discussion), but things with leather or fur or felt or wool will be an issue for me, if they exist. We're also being careful to choose a school that doesn't misuse religion within Montessori curriculum, and would really prefer a vegetarian-only lunch policy . . . but hey, what do I want, the moon and the stars, too? :-) We're in southern California, but it still is tough finding a school we like, within reasonable driving distance. Anyway, any input you might have, or anyone else might have, on the vegetarian-friendliness or not, of Montessori schools would be grand! Thanks!! Lorraine @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Thompson Monday, March 31, 2008 9:54 AM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school I am new to this group having been pretty much just reading posts and soaking it all in the last week or so. I have been a veggie for a long time, however as a family we are just starting to make the transition from Vegetarians to Vegans. My children (9,7, and 5) go to a Montessori school and as we were asked to pick up carrots and Ranch Dressing for the children's snack time this week, I realized how difficult this transition is when comes to the school. Montessori also has " non-vegan " aspects to their curriculum as well. Cheese slicing in the " practical life " center jumps to mind immediately but I know that if I think about there are other aspects will surface. Since this transition for us is fairly new, (and since we have yet to figure out some alternatives and how to get some products completely out of our diets ourselves) I haven't addressed it with the school yet. I am interested in how other parents deal with these challenges as well. Vicki _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of Paige Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:29 PM @gro <%40> ups.com RE: Re: Re: kids in school Chandelle, I would love to get in touch with you outside of the group via email to discuss Waldorf challenges as a vegan. My five year old is at a Waldorf school, which we love, but as a vegan I do have some struggles with the felting, beeswax and other items and activities that are integrated into the Waldorf lifestyle and curriculum. I am wondering how you deal with some of the challenges. Please contact me if you are interested in discussing. gosstucker@roadrunn <gosstucker%40roadrunner.com> er.com Paige _____ @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of chandelle' Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:03 AM @gro <%40> ups.com [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: kids in school yeah, we've converted my BIL and his wife, which is great because we can do holiday dinners together and nobody gets grossed out or offended by what's being eaten. but other than that we really don't know too many veg*ns...there are a few families at my husband's/son's waldorf school that are veg but we don't know them well enough to " hang out " yet. and we get a lot of pressure from family to at least feed meat and other crap to our kids; we don't really trust them not to feed our kids a lot of sugar and crap when we're not right on top of them preventing it, and they treat us like we're so cruel for it...it's hard to be veg in utah, for sure!! chandelle On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Kristen <Ladybug810 (AT) (DOT) <Ladybug810%40> com> wrote: > Holy cow.....so I'm not the only vegetarian in the state of Utah > after all! :-) Aside from a few immediate family members, I've met > exactly ONE vegetarian here in the last year. > > Kristen (Sandy) > > @gro <%40> ups.com <%40>, Katie > Norris <norris929 > wrote: > > > > > Hello to my fellow Utahn! Where in Utah do you live? My son will > be entering kindergarten this year, but we live in Sugarhouse > (pretty liberal) so I think he'll be okay with other kids and being > vegan. > > I would tell my child if they were in that situation to have a > witty comeback ready, " Wow, that's too bad that you won't be my > friend because I don't eat meat. I'm willing to be your friend even > though you kill animals. " > > Good Luck! > > Katie > > > > > > : earthmother213: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:32 - > 0600Re: kids in school > > > > where do you live? we live in utah and practically everybody we > meethunts. it's hard to find like-minded parents here not only in > terms ofdietary habits but in terms of any number of alternative > choices...mychildren are only 3 and 1 but my son is in his father's > class in a waldorfschool; lots of the families in this school > are " alternative, " and some ofthem are vegetarian or vegan. > findingthatalternativecommunityhasbeenhugelyimportantasfar as > maintaining some stability in the midst of suchafirmly- > entrenchedmainstream.idon'tknowhowwe'lldealwithitwhenourkidsreceiveun > pleasanttreatmentfortheirveganism...sadly,forus,they'll probably > receive that most of all from " well-meaning " " family. " :(chandelle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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