Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 it's the weston a. price foundation. weston price was a dentist in the 1800s? i think? maybe early 1900s? don't remember. anyway, he traveled around the world studying 14 different indigenous cultures with the intent of finding out how their diets affected their dental hygiene and structure and their overall health. what he came up with was that they were generally vastly healthier than their " civilized " counterparts, and he attributed this to the fact that everything they ate was unprocessed. he wrote a book about it called something like " nutrition and physical degeneration " (i don't think that's exactly right). he discussed these cultures' eating habits in depth and one thing he noted was that they always had some form of animal protein in their diet, even if it was just bugs. the WAPF, headed by sally fallon, who wrote the ever-so-disgustingly-popular books, " nourishing traditions, " is an organization devoted to tearing down the " diet dictocrats " who say that meat and dairy are the primary causes of degenerative diseases in our country. they support eating large amounts of meat (especially organ meats, sometimes raw), raw dairy, raw eggs, cod liver oil, tropical oils like coconut and palm, and so on, all from free-range/grass-fed/local sources. they advocate eliminating processed food from the diet (which is great) and eating large amounts of lacto-fermented foods. they consider foods like gelatin, animal fat, butter, organ meats, and so on to be not only extremely nourishing but practically medicinal to the body. they consider an intake of cholesterol to be essential and don't think there's any problem with excessive vitamin a intake from liver. they've demonized soy to a spectacular degree drawing on questionably-funded studies and even some studies that have been outright discredited. so there's a little run-down. if you remember that nine planck article from last year, " death by veganism, " she's a supporter (and possible a member? don't remember that either, but she wrote a book like sally fallon's) of the WAPF. chandelle On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > What does WAPF stand for? Is it a type of Attached parenting? > Thanks, > Cassie > > chandelle' <earthmother213 <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > what i don't understand is why WAPF seems to be so popular with natural > family groups when they promote formula above breastfeeding. according to > them, a woman should only nurse if she has a perfect diet, and their > perfect > diet seems impossible, not only physically (how can you eat so much > food?!) > but financially (i.e. a quart of raw milk a day only from local grass-fed > cows, several raw eggs a day from local pastured chickens, several > different > types a meat every day from local grass-fed animals, cod liver oil, and so > on - oh yeah, and by the way also some vegetables if you feel like it...). > if a woman doesn't eat their perfect diet, they say, it would be better to > feed the baby a formula based on liver, raw milk and eggs. whoo boy, can't > wait 'til that baby spits up! > > chandelle > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Susan Williams <virgo.vegan<virgo.vegan%40gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > You are not the only one:) I am in FL and also in some natural family > > groups. So many WAPF people, and only mine and one other family is > vegan. > > There are a few vegetarians in the group, but they drink RAW milk > (another > > WAPF thing) so it's okay and they are still getting their HIGH QUALITY > > protein. What shocked me the most was when the other vegan mommy shared > > the > > mercola.com site with me - I asked her if she knew he was funded by WAPF > > and > > she didn't know. They sneak in everywhere. She was telling people to use > > the formula recipe on that website because it was better than anything > you > > can buy in the stores. I looked up the recipe and one was beef liver and > > raw eggs with olive oil - how can that be good for a baby. So we > discussed > > it a bit, and I don't know if she just stopped listening to me or if I > > really opened her eyes. What is really odd about this situation is she > is > > about 80% raw food/vegan. Just kills me that people don't research what > > they read on the Internet and just take it as valid scientific research > > and > > so much of it is just bad opinion. > > > > I had to ask at our last get together (with the natural mommy group) > that > > we > > not discuss WAPF, religion, or politics. Too many of us are on very > > opposite ends of the spectrum to have something divide us when we need > the > > support on extended BFing, co-sleeping, CD, etc... > > > > Susan > > > > On 4/1/08, chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213%40gmail.com> > <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > well, i'm glad i'm not the only one! i'm on a natural family living > > > group > > > as well, a local one, and almost everyone there is a WAP/NT proponent. > i > > > thought it might just be a utah thing. i can't seem to escape it. i > get > > so > > > tired of being asked to defend my diet against it. what i've found is > > that > > > rarely does a SAD-eater bother me about it anymore; they know better > > now, > > > and they almost universally say something along the lines of, " i wish > i > > > could do that. " it's the WAPFers now who come at me with the > ridiculous > > > questions like " what about cholesterol? it's essential you know, " or > > > " where > > > do you get your HIGH-QUALITY protein? " or " well i eat like my > ancestors > > > ate, > > > none of these NEWFANGLED diets. " gag. > > > > > > chandelle > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Lorraine <ldemi<ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > > <ldemi%40ucsd.edu>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Chandelle, > > > > I know what you mean -- I'm on another list, based on natural family > > > > living, and it's left and right Weston Price Foundation this, > > grass-fed > > > > beef that. For a " natural living " group, it's at least 2/3 Weston > > Price > > > > adherents - all of whom will lose their minds at a vegetarian > > > > conversation. (though, have to say, we still have vegetarian > > > > conversations.) It's one of the reasons I started joining vegetarian > > > > groups - to hear/see info that applies to us. The natural living > group > > > > provides vital info in other areas of our lives - herbs, homeopathy, > > > > " progressive " parenting books, and local info - but anything with a > > > > subject line of " Weston Price blah, blah, blah " goes right in the > > > > crapper here. :-) > > > > Have a great day, > > > > Lorraine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><% > 40><%40><% > 40> [ > > > > <%40><% > 40><%40><% > 40>] On > > > > Behalf Of chandelle' > > > > Monday, March 31, 2008 7:42 AM > > > > <%40><% > 40><%40><% > 40> > > > > Re: Today's Parade Magazine > > > > > > > > grrr...i cannot stand that woman. i had to endure having that > > ridiculous > > > > NY > > > > times article sent to me by no fewer than 11 people last year. > > luckily, > > > > most of them came with the comment, " what this woman says can't be > > true, > > > > right? ...because your kids have been vegan since birth and they're > > the > > > > healthiest children i know! " so not all omnivores are complete > idiots, > > > > ready to fall all over themselves over anybody who encourages them > to > > > > eat > > > > meat. that WAPF...will we ever escape their quackery? it seems like > > > > every > > > > single person i meet these days is encouraging me to read that > > horrible > > > > book > > > > and spreading the disease that is animal-based dieting. > > > > > > > > great letter, by the way! > > > > > > > > chandelle > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:13 PM, <danitamark@earthlin > > > > <danitamark%40earthlink.net <danitamark%2540earthlink.net>> > k.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello all! > > > > > > > > > > In response to today's Parade magazine article " 6 Superfoods to > > Know " , > > > > > written by none other than Nina Planck, (the author of last years > NY > > > > Times > > > > > " Death > > > > > by Veganism " opinion piece and also a big fan of Weston Price) I > > > > submitted > > > > > > > > > > the following to > > > > > > > > > > http://www.parade. <http://www.parade.com/opencms/contactUs.do> > > > > > > > > com/opencms/contactUs.do > > > > > > > > > > and I thought you might want to reply to Parade also - so they > will > > > > stop > > > > > using her as a nutrition source. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Danita > > > > > > > > > > " 6 Superfoods to Know " not a super article to read > > > > > > > > > > Today's Parade magazine article on " 6 Superfoods to Know " included > > > > only > > > > > one true superfood and that is nuts. > > > > > > > > > > Nina Planck's article left out blueberries, sweet potatoes, > > broccoli, > > > > > tomatoes, > > > > > citrus, whole grains, legumes, flax, chia, kale, etc... but > somehow > > > > > included grass-fed beef. > > > > > > > > > > Overwhelming data shows that American's high rates of chronic > > diseases > > > > are > > > > > exacerbated by high intakes of beef. The marginal improvement in > > > > quality of > > > > > grass-fed vs grain-fed beef does not warrant listing it as a > > > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > In addition, the limited availability and high price of grass-fed > > beef > > > > > does not > > > > > make it an attractive choice for most American consumers when > other > > > > much > > > > > healthier and cheaper sources of iron, B-vitamins and zinc are > > readily > > > > > available. > > > > > > > > > > The jury is still out on the possible benefits of coconut milk- as > > Ms. > > > > > Planck states herself- and there is plenty of data indicating high > > > > intake of > > > > > saturated fats, from plants or animals, is not beneficial. Given > > that > > > > > Americans are overweight and consume too much fat already, it is > > > > extremely > > > > > premature to feature coconut milk as a " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > Cinnamon is a spice that is consumed in such relatively small > > > > quantities > > > > > and often on high fat, high sugar, refined flour treats that the > > > > > " superfoods " aspect > > > > > is usually negated by the other characteristics of the food > source. > > > > > Without such > > > > > caveats, eating yet another Cinnabon is the likely outcome for > > Parade > > > > > readers of > > > > > this article. > > > > > > > > > > Honey, molasses, and olive oil reside at the top of the food > > pyramid, > > > > > which means > > > > > " eat sparingly " , hardly a ringing endorsement or qualification as > a > > > > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the inferior content of this article, Parade > magazine > > > > > should not > > > > > publish a nutrition article by a writer who promotes the nutrition > > > > > quackery of the Weston Price Foundation in her other writings. Her > > > > extreme > > > > > bias is reflected in her inclusion of grass-fed beef as a > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Planck describes herself on her website as > > > > > > > > > > " ...an advocate for traditional foods, an entrepreneur, and the > > > > leading > > > > > American > > > > > expert on farmers' markets and local food. " > > > > > > > > > > While long on hyperbole her bio is woefully short on education or > > > > > experience in > > > > > the field of nutrition or medicine - which probably explains why > she > > > > > repeatedly > > > > > makes nutrition errors in print and on her website. > > > > > > > > > > Dr. John McDougall's response to her NY Times opinion piece > > published > > > > May > > > > > 2007 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.drmcdoug > > > > <http://www.drmcdougall.com/response_to_ny_times.htm> > > > > all.com/response_to_ny_times.htm > > > > > > > > > > reveals just how misguided Ms. Planck is when it comes to > nutrition. > > > > > > > > > > Please get a registered dietitian or some other qualified person > to > > > > write > > > > > your nutrition articles in the future. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > " religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called > > > > science, > > > > and no one would believe in it. " > > > > > > > > ~stephen colbert > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Oh goodness no! It is the Weston A Price Foundation - go to http://www.westonaprice.org for their home page. In my opinion, they are an awful organization. They are funded by cattle/dairy industry, but put themselves out as a health and nutrition organization. They say they believe in whole foods - but they believe in dense animal protein foods and consider those the only acceptable proteins. They think vegan diets are incredibly unhealthy. Susan On 4/1/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > > What does WAPF stand for? Is it a type of Attached parenting? > Thanks, > Cassie > > chandelle' <earthmother213 <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > what i don't understand is why WAPF seems to be so popular with natural > family groups when they promote formula above breastfeeding. according to > them, a woman should only nurse if she has a perfect diet, and their > perfect > diet seems impossible, not only physically (how can you eat so much > food?!) > but financially (i.e. a quart of raw milk a day only from local grass-fed > cows, several raw eggs a day from local pastured chickens, several > different > types a meat every day from local grass-fed animals, cod liver oil, and so > on - oh yeah, and by the way also some vegetables if you feel like it...). > if a woman doesn't eat their perfect diet, they say, it would be better to > feed the baby a formula based on liver, raw milk and eggs. whoo boy, can't > wait 'til that baby spits up! > > chandelle > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Susan Williams <virgo.vegan<virgo.vegan%40gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > You are not the only one:) I am in FL and also in some natural family > > groups. So many WAPF people, and only mine and one other family is > vegan. > > There are a few vegetarians in the group, but they drink RAW milk > (another > > WAPF thing) so it's okay and they are still getting their HIGH QUALITY > > protein. What shocked me the most was when the other vegan mommy shared > > the > > mercola.com site with me - I asked her if she knew he was funded by WAPF > > and > > she didn't know. They sneak in everywhere. She was telling people to use > > the formula recipe on that website because it was better than anything > you > > can buy in the stores. I looked up the recipe and one was beef liver and > > raw eggs with olive oil - how can that be good for a baby. So we > discussed > > it a bit, and I don't know if she just stopped listening to me or if I > > really opened her eyes. What is really odd about this situation is she > is > > about 80% raw food/vegan. Just kills me that people don't research what > > they read on the Internet and just take it as valid scientific research > > and > > so much of it is just bad opinion. > > > > I had to ask at our last get together (with the natural mommy group) > that > > we > > not discuss WAPF, religion, or politics. Too many of us are on very > > opposite ends of the spectrum to have something divide us when we need > the > > support on extended BFing, co-sleeping, CD, etc... > > > > Susan > > > > On 4/1/08, chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213%40gmail.com> > <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > well, i'm glad i'm not the only one! i'm on a natural family living > > > group > > > as well, a local one, and almost everyone there is a WAP/NT proponent. > i > > > thought it might just be a utah thing. i can't seem to escape it. i > get > > so > > > tired of being asked to defend my diet against it. what i've found is > > that > > > rarely does a SAD-eater bother me about it anymore; they know better > > now, > > > and they almost universally say something along the lines of, " i wish > i > > > could do that. " it's the WAPFers now who come at me with the > ridiculous > > > questions like " what about cholesterol? it's essential you know, " or > > > " where > > > do you get your HIGH-QUALITY protein? " or " well i eat like my > ancestors > > > ate, > > > none of these NEWFANGLED diets. " gag. > > > > > > chandelle > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Lorraine <ldemi<ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > > <ldemi%40ucsd.edu>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Chandelle, > > > > I know what you mean -- I'm on another list, based on natural family > > > > living, and it's left and right Weston Price Foundation this, > > grass-fed > > > > beef that. For a " natural living " group, it's at least 2/3 Weston > > Price > > > > adherents - all of whom will lose their minds at a vegetarian > > > > conversation. (though, have to say, we still have vegetarian > > > > conversations.) It's one of the reasons I started joining vegetarian > > > > groups - to hear/see info that applies to us. The natural living > group > > > > provides vital info in other areas of our lives - herbs, homeopathy, > > > > " progressive " parenting books, and local info - but anything with a > > > > subject line of " Weston Price blah, blah, blah " goes right in the > > > > crapper here. :-) > > > > Have a great day, > > > > Lorraine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><% > 40><%40><% > 40> [ > > > > <%40><% > 40><%40><% > 40>] On > > > > Behalf Of chandelle' > > > > Monday, March 31, 2008 7:42 AM > > > > <%40><% > 40><%40><% > 40> > > > > Re: Today's Parade Magazine > > > > > > > > grrr...i cannot stand that woman. i had to endure having that > > ridiculous > > > > NY > > > > times article sent to me by no fewer than 11 people last year. > > luckily, > > > > most of them came with the comment, " what this woman says can't be > > true, > > > > right? ...because your kids have been vegan since birth and they're > > the > > > > healthiest children i know! " so not all omnivores are complete > idiots, > > > > ready to fall all over themselves over anybody who encourages them > to > > > > eat > > > > meat. that WAPF...will we ever escape their quackery? it seems like > > > > every > > > > single person i meet these days is encouraging me to read that > > horrible > > > > book > > > > and spreading the disease that is animal-based dieting. > > > > > > > > great letter, by the way! > > > > > > > > chandelle > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:13 PM, <danitamark@earthlin > > > > <danitamark%40earthlink.net <danitamark%2540earthlink.net>> > k.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello all! > > > > > > > > > > In response to today's Parade magazine article " 6 Superfoods to > > Know " , > > > > > written by none other than Nina Planck, (the author of last years > NY > > > > Times > > > > > " Death > > > > > by Veganism " opinion piece and also a big fan of Weston Price) I > > > > submitted > > > > > > > > > > the following to > > > > > > > > > > http://www.parade. <http://www.parade.com/opencms/contactUs.do> > > > > > > > > com/opencms/contactUs.do > > > > > > > > > > and I thought you might want to reply to Parade also - so they > will > > > > stop > > > > > using her as a nutrition source. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Danita > > > > > > > > > > " 6 Superfoods to Know " not a super article to read > > > > > > > > > > Today's Parade magazine article on " 6 Superfoods to Know " included > > > > only > > > > > one true superfood and that is nuts. > > > > > > > > > > Nina Planck's article left out blueberries, sweet potatoes, > > broccoli, > > > > > tomatoes, > > > > > citrus, whole grains, legumes, flax, chia, kale, etc... but > somehow > > > > > included grass-fed beef. > > > > > > > > > > Overwhelming data shows that American's high rates of chronic > > diseases > > > > are > > > > > exacerbated by high intakes of beef. The marginal improvement in > > > > quality of > > > > > grass-fed vs grain-fed beef does not warrant listing it as a > > > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > In addition, the limited availability and high price of grass-fed > > beef > > > > > does not > > > > > make it an attractive choice for most American consumers when > other > > > > much > > > > > healthier and cheaper sources of iron, B-vitamins and zinc are > > readily > > > > > available. > > > > > > > > > > The jury is still out on the possible benefits of coconut milk- as > > Ms. > > > > > Planck states herself- and there is plenty of data indicating high > > > > intake of > > > > > saturated fats, from plants or animals, is not beneficial. Given > > that > > > > > Americans are overweight and consume too much fat already, it is > > > > extremely > > > > > premature to feature coconut milk as a " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > Cinnamon is a spice that is consumed in such relatively small > > > > quantities > > > > > and often on high fat, high sugar, refined flour treats that the > > > > > " superfoods " aspect > > > > > is usually negated by the other characteristics of the food > source. > > > > > Without such > > > > > caveats, eating yet another Cinnabon is the likely outcome for > > Parade > > > > > readers of > > > > > this article. > > > > > > > > > > Honey, molasses, and olive oil reside at the top of the food > > pyramid, > > > > > which means > > > > > " eat sparingly " , hardly a ringing endorsement or qualification as > a > > > > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the inferior content of this article, Parade > magazine > > > > > should not > > > > > publish a nutrition article by a writer who promotes the nutrition > > > > > quackery of the Weston Price Foundation in her other writings. Her > > > > extreme > > > > > bias is reflected in her inclusion of grass-fed beef as a > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Planck describes herself on her website as > > > > > > > > > > " ...an advocate for traditional foods, an entrepreneur, and the > > > > leading > > > > > American > > > > > expert on farmers' markets and local food. " > > > > > > > > > > While long on hyperbole her bio is woefully short on education or > > > > > experience in > > > > > the field of nutrition or medicine - which probably explains why > she > > > > > repeatedly > > > > > makes nutrition errors in print and on her website. > > > > > > > > > > Dr. John McDougall's response to her NY Times opinion piece > > published > > > > May > > > > > 2007 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.drmcdoug > > > > <http://www.drmcdougall.com/response_to_ny_times.htm> > > > > all.com/response_to_ny_times.htm > > > > > > > > > > reveals just how misguided Ms. Planck is when it comes to > nutrition. > > > > > > > > > > Please get a registered dietitian or some other qualified person > to > > > > write > > > > > your nutrition articles in the future. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > " religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called > > > > science, > > > > and no one would believe in it. " > > > > > > > > ~stephen colbert > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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