Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'd explain to them honestly about the dangers of dairy to them--give them facts. Then offer them choices of various types of milk to choose from. It might cost you a bit, to purchase 5 or 6 different milks (or more), but it will be worth it when they find a couple they like. Here are some of the milks we've tried here: hemp--plain or flavored soy--plain or flavored almond--plain or flavored hazelnut rice--plain or flavored potato (DariFree brand powder)--plain or flavored tofu (a bit different than soy--Better Than Milk brand) homemade nut and seed based milks My kids all seem to like different milks (of course!). But, except for the night time drink for two of them, (yes, we're still working on that one too!), we've made the switch. My boys still cling to their organic chocolate dairy milk for bedtime. SIGH. The girls have never had dairy milk--they like rice milk best. My toddler is in the process of switching from a soy formula to either hemp or rice milk. Just FYI, Allergy Grocer (_www.allergygrocer.com_ (http://www.allergygrocer.com) ) has the DariFree powder, as well as a nice rice milk powder. I don't like the rice milk powder for making the actual liquid milk, but it's great in recipes that call for milk powder. Marilyn **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Did you try the vanilla or plain? When I went vegan, I had to introduce myself to vanilla " milks " first. Soy to me has a very strong aftertaste that I was not fond of - now I don't even taste it. You could also try vanilla oat, rice, hemp, almond or cashew milk. Then slowly introduce the non-flavored milk. I wouldn't do chocolate at night time, but maybe if you are okay with choc, you could try that at lunchtime just so they start to get a taste for the difference. What if you didn't call it milk, and had the kids help you make oat/rice/almond/cashew " drink " (whichever you like). They would see the process, be involved in a cooking project and maybe want to try it then? They could also add whatever flavorings they like best - vanilla, maple syrup, even strawberry preserves, etc. HTH, Susan On 4/3/08, cindyk449 <cindyk449 wrote: > > I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now > seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my > life. > > My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been > drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to > soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with their > cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. > > Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'm vegetarian rather than vegan, but can't stand cow's milk for myself. So I drink soy milk while giving the kids cow's milk (out of tradition and cost, I guess). Anyway, because they see my drinking and using soy milk, they think it's really cool to get some, themselves. Perhaps if they see you enjoying it, they'll like being like you and make the switch. Susan Williams <virgo.vegan wrote: Did you try the vanilla or plain? When I went vegan, I had to introduce myself to vanilla " milks " first. Soy to me has a very strong aftertaste that I was not fond of - now I don't even taste it. You could also try vanilla oat, rice, hemp, almond or cashew milk. Then slowly introduce the non-flavored milk. I wouldn't do chocolate at night time, but maybe if you are okay with choc, you could try that at lunchtime just so they start to get a taste for the difference. What if you didn't call it milk, and had the kids help you make oat/rice/almond/cashew " drink " (whichever you like). They would see the process, be involved in a cooking project and maybe want to try it then? They could also add whatever flavorings they like best - vanilla, maple syrup, even strawberry preserves, etc. HTH, Susan On 4/3/08, cindyk449 <cindyk449 wrote: > > I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now > seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my > life. > > My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been > drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to > soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with their > cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. > > Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 You need to be sneaky, and make the switch slowly. Start with about 10% soy (or rice or whatever) and the rest cow. Every few days, increase the amount of soy. cindyk449 <cindyk449 wrote: I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my life. My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with their cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Have you considered switching to water for naptime and bedtime? We've gotten in the habit of offering our daughter soymilk at meals and only water before bed. We do it b/c it's better for her teeth, but I'm thinking that changing up your kids' routine might help them make the transition off dairy without inviting unwelcome comparisons between milk and non-dairy alternatives. Jessica _______________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with . http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ins\ tantaccess_042008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 > My kids LOVE Silk with DHA (available fresh in the dairy case). I would give it a try. Everybody seems to like it. Even my picky meat- eating nephews (who eat hardly any veggies or fruits). Personally, I use Pacific Organic Unsweetened Almond in my cereal. Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Cindy - Hard as it is to keep them from drinking milk, just keep reminding yourself that you are responsible for their health, not them, so just don't give in to them. When they are older, perhaps in their early teen years, you could give them " Milk A-Z " , a one-hour read, which introduces the science that destroys the dairy industry's myths, but in a entertaining way. My son loves candy, but after reading " Sugar Blues " (also a must-read!), I give it to him only rarely, as a treat for eating his vegetables. As a side benefit, that got him to eat broccoli, asparagus, spinach and more, and he now loves vegetables. He used to get wild when he knew we had candy, but we kept control over it and he's long since changed his behavior when it comes out. Fruit juice works for our son as a " treat " , but it fills him with empty calories and also cycles his blood sugar, so we give it to him with half-water, half-juice, poured over ice cubes. Soy or rice milk (particularly those with carageenan) should probably be given only in small quantities. But I've settled for making smoothies with frozen fruit (especially berries and bananas that have started to turn) and vegetables, lots of water, ice cubes, and occasionally some chocolate soy milk. Cold substances are soothing, and they numb the taste buds, making it easier for them to drink unfamiliar liquids. One of the best things you can do for them is to get them to appreciate water. Zero calories, zero fat, zero additives, no aftertaste, very healthy, and it comes out of the tap for free. Every time I shop in a grocery store, I think about Henry David Thoreau's wisdom: " Water is the only drink for a wise man " . That has saved me lots of $$ and no doubt made me healthier. As a special treat, you could give them a twist of lemon or lime in it. Mark , " cindyk449 " <cindyk449 wrote: > > I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now > seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my > life. > > My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been > drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to > soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with their > cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. > > Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 for my son (although he still drinks cow's milk), two things worked. 1. seeing me drink soy milk - the need to do anything and everything mommy does kinda outweighed anything else. 2. chocolate soy milk - i rarely (if ever) do chocolate milk at home, so chocolate soy milk was a really big deal. from there, we made the gradual switch to vanilla soy and then to plain soy. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:23 AM, cindyk449 <cindyk449 wrote: > I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now > seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my > life. > > My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been > drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to > soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with their > cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. > > Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Mark, I've never heard of Milk A-Z or Sugar Blues -- are they story books? Who produced them? Heather ny.vegan wrote: > > Cindy - > > Hard as it is to keep them from drinking milk, just keep reminding > yourself that you are responsible for their health, not them, so just > don't give in to them. When they are older, perhaps in their early > teen years, you could give them " Milk A-Z " , a one-hour read, which > introduces the science that destroys the dairy industry's myths, but > in a entertaining way. > > My son loves candy, but after reading " Sugar Blues " (also a > must-read!), I give it to him only rarely, as a treat for eating his > vegetables. As a side benefit, that got him to eat broccoli, > asparagus, spinach and more, and he now loves vegetables. He used to > get wild when he knew we had candy, but we kept control over it and > he's long since changed his behavior when it comes out. > > Fruit juice works for our son as a " treat " , but it fills him with > empty calories and also cycles his blood sugar, so we give it to him > with half-water, half-juice, poured over ice cubes. Soy or rice milk > (particularly those with carageenan) should probably be given only in > small quantities. But I've settled for making smoothies with frozen > fruit (especially berries and bananas that have started to turn) and > vegetables, lots of water, ice cubes, and occasionally some chocolate > soy milk. Cold substances are soothing, and they numb the taste buds, > making it easier for them to drink unfamiliar liquids. > > One of the best things you can do for them is to get them to > appreciate water. Zero calories, zero fat, zero additives, no > aftertaste, very healthy, and it comes out of the tap for free. Every > time I shop in a grocery store, I think about Henry David Thoreau's > wisdom: " Water is the only drink for a wise man " . That has saved me > lots of $$ and no doubt made me healthier. As a special treat, you > could give them a twist of lemon or lime in it. > > Mark > > > <%40>, " cindyk449 " <cindyk449 wrote: > > > > I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now > > seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my > > life. > > > > My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been > > drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to > > soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with their > > cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. > > > > Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Heather - Neither is a story book, but both are fascinating reads. Milk A-Z is a illustrated quick read, with each letter of the alphabet specifying a reason not to drink milk (e.g., 'A' is for Allergies. One paragraph: " Most formula-fed infants developed symptoms of allergic rejection to cow milk proteins before one month of age. About 50-70% experienced rashes or other skin symptoms, 50-60% gastrointestinal symptoms, and 20-30% respiratory symptoms. The recommended therapy is to avoid cow's milk. Pediatric-Allergy-Immunology, August, 1994, 5 (5 Supplement) " . While it's a bit advanced for some teens, you could quickly highlight or summarize the book. The book's author also created and maintains the website www.notmilk.com. Here is the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Milk-Z-Robert-Cohen/dp/0965919684/ Sugar Blues (http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Blues-William-Dufty/dp/0446343129) is a book for adults or those in their late teens. The author gives a fascinating history of sugar, and some great insights (e.g., it meets the definition of a poison -- it has no nutritional value and can cause a great deal of harm -- and was almost outlawed by one president). I think both books (or similar ones) should be required reading for every parent. BTW, when I highlighted the attributes of plain tap water, I neglected one: it is also cruelty-free. The veal industry was created because the dairy industry didn't know what to do with male calves that otherwise had no economic value to dairy farmers. They came up with the idea of keeping them in tiny crates and fattening them up as fast as possible (thus minimizing costs and generating a higher return on the investment). Veal calves are slaughtered at 3-14 weeks, when cattle can live as long as 20-25 years. As the saying goes, " There's a little chunk of veal in every glass of milk " . Regards, Mark , Heather <hlh4850 wrote: > > Mark, I've never heard of Milk A-Z or Sugar Blues -- are they story > books? Who produced them? > Heather > > ny.vegan wrote: > > > > Cindy - > > > > Hard as it is to keep them from drinking milk, just keep reminding > > yourself that you are responsible for their health, not them, so just > > don't give in to them. When they are older, perhaps in their early > > teen years, you could give them " Milk A-Z " , a one-hour read, which > > introduces the science that destroys the dairy industry's myths, but > > in a entertaining way. > > > > My son loves candy, but after reading " Sugar Blues " (also a > > must-read!), I give it to him only rarely, as a treat for eating his > > vegetables. As a side benefit, that got him to eat broccoli, > > asparagus, spinach and more, and he now loves vegetables. He used to > > get wild when he knew we had candy, but we kept control over it and > > he's long since changed his behavior when it comes out. > > > > Fruit juice works for our son as a " treat " , but it fills him with > > empty calories and also cycles his blood sugar, so we give it to him > > with half-water, half-juice, poured over ice cubes. Soy or rice milk > > (particularly those with carageenan) should probably be given only in > > small quantities. But I've settled for making smoothies with frozen > > fruit (especially berries and bananas that have started to turn) and > > vegetables, lots of water, ice cubes, and occasionally some chocolate > > soy milk. Cold substances are soothing, and they numb the taste buds, > > making it easier for them to drink unfamiliar liquids. > > > > One of the best things you can do for them is to get them to > > appreciate water. Zero calories, zero fat, zero additives, no > > aftertaste, very healthy, and it comes out of the tap for free. Every > > time I shop in a grocery store, I think about Henry David Thoreau's > > wisdom: " Water is the only drink for a wise man " . That has saved me > > lots of $$ and no doubt made me healthier. As a special treat, you > > could give them a twist of lemon or lime in it. > > > > Mark > > > > > > <%40>, " cindyk449 " <cindyk449@> wrote: > > > > > > I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now > > > seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my > > > life. > > > > > > My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been > > > drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to > > > soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with their > > > cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. > > > > > > Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Thanks for the info! The more I learn about milk the more ill I feel that I ever gave it to two of my children (the third has been vegan since birth) -- with my first two I still swallowed the advice that kids after age one needed whole cow's milk. >>shudder<< Heather ny.vegan wrote: > > Heather - > > Neither is a story book, but both are fascinating reads. > > Milk A-Z is a illustrated quick read, with each letter of the alphabet > specifying a reason not to drink milk (e.g., 'A' is for Allergies. > One paragraph: " Most formula-fed infants developed symptoms of > allergic rejection to cow milk proteins before one month of age. > About 50-70% experienced rashes or other skin symptoms, 50-60% > gastrointestinal symptoms, and 20-30% respiratory symptoms. The > recommended therapy is to avoid cow's milk. > Pediatric-Allergy-Immunology, August, 1994, 5 (5 Supplement) " . > While it's a bit advanced for some teens, you could quickly highlight > or summarize the book. The book's author also created and maintains > the website www.notmilk.com. Here is the Amazon link: > http://www.amazon.com/Milk-Z-Robert-Cohen/dp/0965919684/ > <http://www.amazon.com/Milk-Z-Robert-Cohen/dp/0965919684/> > > Sugar Blues > (http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Blues-William-Dufty/dp/0446343129 > <http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Blues-William-Dufty/dp/0446343129>) is a > book for adults or those in their late teens. The author gives a > fascinating history of sugar, and some great insights (e.g., it meets > the definition of a poison -- it has no nutritional value and can > cause a great deal of harm -- and was almost outlawed by one president). > > I think both books (or similar ones) should be required reading for > every parent. > > BTW, when I highlighted the attributes of plain tap water, I neglected > one: it is also cruelty-free. The veal industry was created because > the dairy industry didn't know what to do with male calves that > otherwise had no economic value to dairy farmers. They came up with > the idea of keeping them in tiny crates and fattening them up as fast > as possible (thus minimizing costs and generating a higher return on > the investment). Veal calves are slaughtered at 3-14 weeks, when > cattle can live as long as 20-25 years. As the saying goes, " There's > a little chunk of veal in every glass of milk " . > > Regards, > > Mark > > > <%40>, Heather <hlh4850 wrote: > > > > Mark, I've never heard of Milk A-Z or Sugar Blues -- are they story > > books? Who produced them? > > Heather > > > > ny.vegan wrote: > > > > > > Cindy - > > > > > > Hard as it is to keep them from drinking milk, just keep reminding > > > yourself that you are responsible for their health, not them, so just > > > don't give in to them. When they are older, perhaps in their early > > > teen years, you could give them " Milk A-Z " , a one-hour read, which > > > introduces the science that destroys the dairy industry's myths, but > > > in a entertaining way. > > > > > > My son loves candy, but after reading " Sugar Blues " (also a > > > must-read!), I give it to him only rarely, as a treat for eating his > > > vegetables. As a side benefit, that got him to eat broccoli, > > > asparagus, spinach and more, and he now loves vegetables. He used to > > > get wild when he knew we had candy, but we kept control over it and > > > he's long since changed his behavior when it comes out. > > > > > > Fruit juice works for our son as a " treat " , but it fills him with > > > empty calories and also cycles his blood sugar, so we give it to him > > > with half-water, half-juice, poured over ice cubes. Soy or rice milk > > > (particularly those with carageenan) should probably be given only in > > > small quantities. But I've settled for making smoothies with frozen > > > fruit (especially berries and bananas that have started to turn) and > > > vegetables, lots of water, ice cubes, and occasionally some chocolate > > > soy milk. Cold substances are soothing, and they numb the taste buds, > > > making it easier for them to drink unfamiliar liquids. > > > > > > One of the best things you can do for them is to get them to > > > appreciate water. Zero calories, zero fat, zero additives, no > > > aftertaste, very healthy, and it comes out of the tap for free. Every > > > time I shop in a grocery store, I think about Henry David Thoreau's > > > wisdom: " Water is the only drink for a wise man " . That has saved me > > > lots of $$ and no doubt made me healthier. As a special treat, you > > > could give them a twist of lemon or lime in it. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, " cindyk449 " <cindyk449@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 13 years, and I'm just now > > > > seeing the light about dairy and eggs. And, I want them out of my > > > > life. > > > > > > > > My problem is my kids, ages 4 1/2, 3 and 1 1/2. They have been > > > > drinking cows milk for years. I tried once before to switch to > > > > soymilk, but they call it the yucky milk. I can sneak it in with > their > > > > cereal, but not for a glass at bedtime/naptime. > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to replace that glass of milk at bedtime/naptime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 No milk after dinner-time. Slowly mix your soy milk with regular milk in a separate container....like 10/90 then 20/80 until you have more soymilk than regular milk. I bet it takes a while, but my child only drinks plain soymilk with no sugar and she likes it and she is fat and happy! Diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 My husband and I had a talk about giving Abby dairy this morning, since our doctor advised us to take her off soy, and she's been pretty unhappy about that, especially at bedtime. My husband is still VERY reluctant to acknowledge the dangers of dairy. But he will respect my views on it, knowing that I've done my " homework " , and he isn't asking that I give it to her. That is a HUGE step for him, and I'm really grateful! He's upstairs right now, making french toast with rice milk, which he's been using for a while in recipes, as our older girls have never had dairy (I had them before I met him--Abby's ours together). Marilyn **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 How about the books " Moooooove Over Milk " , or " Don't Drink Your Milk " ? Both easy, informative, excellent reads. " Don't Drink Your Milk " was written by the former head of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins, Dr. Frank Oski. " Milk, the Deadly Poison " by Robert Cohen is very good also. And just an FYI--several prominent pediatricians, like the late Dr. Benjamin Spock, have said that kids should not be given dairy products. Marilyn **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 " Moooove Over Milk " , " Don't Drink Your Milk " and " Milk, the Deadly Poison " are all excellent choices. I would like to add " The Weaning of America: The Case Against Dairy Products " , " Milk A-Z " and the following websites: www.milksucks.com www.notmilk.com Those should get you started. , sahmomof8 wrote: > > How about the books " Moooooove Over Milk " , or " Don't Drink Your Milk " ? Both > easy, informative, excellent reads. " Don't Drink Your Milk " was written by > the former head of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins, Dr. Frank Oski. " Milk, the > Deadly Poison " by Robert Cohen is very good also. And just an FYI--several > prominent pediatricians, like the late Dr. Benjamin Spock, have said that kids > should not be given dairy products. Marilyn > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Well, my last post on this subject is that MARKETING WORKED! Giving the kids a 'special' cup, and calling it Vanilla Milk worked. They love it. I knew they would. And, there's no more cow in our house! Yippiee!!! Thanks for all your suggestions! ~ Cindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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