Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 wow, i just have to express my support to those of you with kids in conventional/public schools. i had no idea how hard you really have it when it comes to food. my husband is a waldorf teacher. he is vegan and his assistant is a raw-foodist. it's actually in the school's mission statement to feed healthy, whole, organic food to the children. the kids at this school have beautifully healthy food to eat. our son's birthday was last week and he received a homemade raw-food cake with an all-fruit, sugar-free filling and a sprouted grain crust. amazing stuff! my husband is taking over the directorship of the school so all week he will be in a childcare licensing program required by the state. he was there for 8 hours today and most of the day was spent discussing food. the most popular and commonly served meals, according to this class, are white-flour spaghetti with meatballs and hotdogs, but " they shouldn't be served every day - try to mix it up with quesadillas [processed cheese on white flour?], hamburgers [???], chicken patties [?!] and so on. " oh, and by the way, he learned today that " whole milk is required in this state to be fed at every state-funded school's meal. " (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) the class was instructed to come up with a week of meals. my husband's meals included such breakfasts as sprouted oat groats with homemade seed milk, raisins and walnuts, snacks such as sprouted grain crackers and dehydrated, sugar- and sulfate-free fruit or fresh fruit, and lunches like almond butter or seed cheese and vegetables on homemade whole-grain bread with a salad on the side tossed with a simple vinaigrette. the meals from the other kids were things like english muffin pizzas, canned green beans, and string cheese, with of course the state-mandated whole milk. WTH?! it occurred to me, scanning my husband's materials for this class, that most kids don't even stand a chance at being healthy. the deck is stacked against them at every turn. it just breaks my heart. i just wanted to share with people i knew would understand. chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I help pass out the lunch at my conventional school every other week. We are told to make the kids take their milk. I tell them they don't have to drink it. Each day it is a bagged lunch with a turkey or bologna sandwich on a white roll or bread. Then there is a sugary juice, a piece of fruit or sugary fruit cup, whole milk that is plain, chocolate, and strawberry, and either chips or cookies. What junk!!! Thank goodness most of the parents make their students lunch. My last school was an independent school and had the majority of the students boarded there, so they had a full " mess hall " (military background) with 3 hot options, full salad bar, sandwich bar, and 2 soups everyday. BUT, 80% of the food was processed, full of salt and sugar, and contained animal products/byproducts. You are right, kids do not have a chance, and many parents don't give them the chance, either. The lunches brought from home are not any better, usually, than the lunches at school. I had a parent tell me that she did not want to put her child on ADHA medication and she was hoping to control the natural way. I have seen her son eat the same processed junk all year long- cheetos, doritos, white bread meat sandwiches, oreos, soda, McDonalds, etc.... How is that natural, or does she not know that his diet can help the ADHD? I think many parents do not think about thier child's diet if they are not overweight. They have been trained that overweight people need to fix their diet, and if they are skinny, even better. So wrong that can be, as we know. I am so glad to have found this group! Cassie between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Chandelle--It's sickening, but not at all surprising, that the state wants to feed our kids that way. Our kids are being poisoned at every turn by the media, and mainstream " authorities " . Food is just one issue. Your husband is AWESOME. I wish every kid that needed to be in someone else's care during the day could be in the care of someone like him! Little kids don't deserve to have their potential RUINED by beauracrats (SP?) who certainly don't have their best interest at heart! It's so incredibly sad that the adults in charge are so abysmally ignorant, and nothing is done because most everyone else who could do something about that does not have a clue, either. And many parents are waaaaay too trusting of " authorities " and mainstream media, so they can't change anything either. I am so thankful that I do know better. And everyone else here is lucky, too--and so are your kids! Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I think that is pretty standard for being state-funded schools (at least what I understand of it - which is not too much that I've looked into). I was looking into daycare and schools for my son this fall, and a daycare type place across the way, and one of the places they were very positive, and it sounded great, they had snacks and hot lunches there - which I asked about just in reference to my son's allergy and they said they would need a Dr's note for him to not have anything with cheese/milk in it, and that we would have to work with THEIR nutritionist on what he could eat. It was because they were state funded and needed the reason to give to the state as to WHY our son would not have any of it if he went there. I didn't persue it any further than that since we were told we could, under NO CIRCUMSTANCE bring in his own food to eat, which I thought was very unreasonable. I just still hope we get a letter from our first choice school that a space opened up because WE really want him to go to the Progressive Ed. school we have always thought he'd go into, but the word got out this year (bad for us, but very good for them...). Sigh. We have other options besides the place I mention above, but we just won't consider that one as an option. Missie On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM, chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > wow, i just have to express my support to those of you with kids in > conventional/public schools. i had no idea how hard you really have it > when > it comes to food. > > my husband is a waldorf teacher. he is vegan and his assistant is a > raw-foodist. it's actually in the school's mission statement to feed > healthy, whole, organic food to the children. the kids at this school have > beautifully healthy food to eat. our son's birthday was last week and he > received a homemade raw-food cake with an all-fruit, sugar-free filling > and > a sprouted grain crust. amazing stuff! > > my husband is taking over the directorship of the school so all week he > will > be in a childcare licensing program required by the state. he was there > for > 8 hours today and most of the day was spent discussing food. the most > popular and commonly served meals, according to this class, are > white-flour > spaghetti with meatballs and hotdogs, but " they shouldn't be served every > day - try to mix it up with quesadillas [processed cheese on white > flour?], > hamburgers [???], chicken patties [?!] and so on. " oh, and by the way, he > learned today that " whole milk is required in this state to be fed at > every > state-funded school's meal. " (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) > > the class was instructed to come up with a week of meals. my husband's > meals included such breakfasts as sprouted oat groats with homemade seed > milk, raisins and walnuts, snacks such as sprouted grain crackers and > dehydrated, sugar- and sulfate-free fruit or fresh fruit, and lunches like > almond butter or seed cheese and vegetables on homemade whole-grain bread > with a salad on the side tossed with a simple vinaigrette. the meals from > the other kids were things like english muffin pizzas, canned green beans, > and string cheese, with of course the state-mandated whole milk. WTH?! > > it occurred to me, scanning my husband's materials for this class, that > most > kids don't even stand a chance at being healthy. the deck is stacked > against them at every turn. it just breaks my heart. > > i just wanted to share with people i knew would understand. > > chandelle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Yeah it's really bad. : ( I'm so glad I can homeschool my kids. My daughter was in elementary school for the first part of last year and I remember talking to the lunch lady about what was served there. She talked about how good her food was, nutritionally, and then gave me a list (jello, chocolate cake every MWF, white grain pizzas, white grain mac and cheese, chicken nuggets, etc..) They did have fresh salads at least. I would not blame the schools though. I was president of my PTA for a short time and got zero support from the parents to change our ice cream party to a popcorn party. They all gasped when I suggested it and then proceeded to tell me how important the ice cream party was " to the children " . One note about that was we were at an all-kindergarten school, and this was the first month of school. These children never would have known about let alone missed the " traditional " end of the year party in that form. So from my experience I believe that parents, generally speaking, are stuck the traditions of giving children junky foods like cereals, mac and cheese, pizza, ice cream, candy, etc. Although a lot of progress is being made lately (some schools won't allow candy or soda on campus anymore) there is still a lot of resistance to this notion of " depriving " children their " right " to eat poorly. As a result schools don't have enough pressure from parents to change their meal plans. It really frustrates me. I believe that schools should be the leaders in our communities, but instead they are more of a reflection of it. : ( Maggie On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM, chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: wow, i just have to express my support to those of you with kids in > conventional/public schools. i had no idea how hard you really have it when > it comes to food. > > my husband is a waldorf teacher. he is vegan and his assistant is a > raw-foodist. it's actually in the school's mission statement to feed > healthy, whole, organic food to the children. the kids at this school have > beautifully healthy food to eat. our son's birthday was last week and he > received a homemade raw-food cake with an all-fruit, sugar-free filling and > a sprouted grain crust. amazing stuff! > > my husband is taking over the directorship of the school so all week he > will > be in a childcare licensing program required by the state. he was there for > 8 hours today and most of the day was spent discussing food. the most > popular and commonly served meals, according to this class, are white-flour > spaghetti with meatballs and hotdogs, but " they shouldn't be served every > day - try to mix it up with quesadillas [processed cheese on white flour?], > hamburgers [???], chicken patties [?!] and so on. " oh, and by the way, he > learned today that " whole milk is required in this state to be fed at every > state-funded school's meal. " (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) > > the class was instructed to come up with a week of meals. my husband's > meals included such breakfasts as sprouted oat groats with homemade seed > milk, raisins and walnuts, snacks such as sprouted grain crackers and > dehydrated, sugar- and sulfate-free fruit or fresh fruit, and lunches like > almond butter or seed cheese and vegetables on homemade whole-grain bread > with a salad on the side tossed with a simple vinaigrette. the meals from > the other kids were things like english muffin pizzas, canned green beans, > and string cheese, with of course the state-mandated whole milk. WTH?! > > it occurred to me, scanning my husband's materials for this class, that > most > kids don't even stand a chance at being healthy. the deck is stacked > against them at every turn. it just breaks my heart. > > i just wanted to share with people i knew would understand. > > chandelle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 i don't know what i would do without this group! it is simply exhausting constantly trying to explain, defend and keep half an eye on my kids so nobody feeds them junk. chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 On 4/15/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > > " They have been trained that overweight people need to fix their diet, and > if they are skinny, even better. So wrong that can be, as we know. " > > > My nephew is so skinny and will only eat pork products and chex mix. He had surgery about a year ago and lost 15 lbs so his mom decided he needed to eat twizzlers and chex mix to get the weight back on. I just don't get the logic behind that. Then this past Easter, my mom made a ham and about 6 different vegan side options. My nephew ate an entire plate of just ham, and I ate all the veg options offering DS (13 mos) bits from my plate. He really enjoyed chewing on some raw asparagus, and loved dipping it into hummus, then just eating the hummus off that like the asparagus was his spoon. And everyone made comments about my poor son who is so neglected because he didn't get to try the ham. No one said anything about the pound of ham my nephew ate and how neglected he is to not eat fruit or veggies. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Diet does not cause ADHD. I get really tired of hearing people say that. ADHD is genetic. Though it is important to monitor diet in children with ADHD to make sure they are getting all the vitamins and minerals that they need. The first thing that we did for my daughter when she was first diagnosed was put her on a hemp oil (omega 3) supplement. From the very beginning her psychologist and pediatrician both told me that she would lose weight and have a decreased appetite if/when we put her on ADHD medication so it would be so much more important to monitor what she ate. Eventhough she was already eating a very healthy diet. I was the 'mean mom' denying her anything at school functions. At pressure from her school I had sent in a list of a few things that she could have at school during social events. But since she did indeed lose a few pounds in the first month that she was on medication and her appetite decreased so much I had to say no to any snacks at school. I was trying to be accomodating with allowing her to have alternatives at their socials. Right now I'm struggling with her feeling left out. I wish they didn't give all that crap to kids in the first place. Renee Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: I help pass out the lunch at my conventional school every other week. We are told to make the kids take their milk. I tell them they don't have to drink it. Each day it is a bagged lunch with a turkey or bologna sandwich on a white roll or bread. Then there is a sugary juice, a piece of fruit or sugary fruit cup, whole milk that is plain, chocolate, and strawberry, and either chips or cookies. What junk!!! Thank goodness most of the parents make their students lunch. My last school was an independent school and had the majority of the students boarded there, so they had a full " mess hall " (military background) with 3 hot options, full salad bar, sandwich bar, and 2 soups everyday. BUT, 80% of the food was processed, full of salt and sugar, and contained animal products/byproducts. You are right, kids do not have a chance, and many parents don't give them the chance, either. The lunches brought from home are not any better, usually, than the lunches at school. I had a parent tell me that she did not want to put her child on ADHA medication and she was hoping to control the natural way. I have seen her son eat the same processed junk all year long- cheetos, doritos, white bread meat sandwiches, oreos, soda, McDonalds, etc.... How is that natural, or does she not know that his diet can help the ADHD? I think many parents do not think about thier child's diet if they are not overweight. They have been trained that overweight people need to fix their diet, and if they are skinny, even better. So wrong that can be, as we know. I am so glad to have found this group! Cassie between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I can understand how frustrated you must be with the insistence on snacks at your daughter's school, Renee. I did interpret what Cassie said as similar to what you said, though: that diet can exacerbate ADHD, not cause it. I do monitor preservatives and artificial colors/flavors as well because even though my son doesn't appear to have ADHD, those things can't be good for anyone and they definitely do affect his behavior. So I'm proud to be another " mean mom " ! Marla > Diet does not cause ADHD. I get really tired of hearing people say that. > ADHD is genetic. Though it is important to monitor diet in children with ADHD > to make sure they are getting all the vitamins and minerals that they need. > The first thing that we did for my daughter when she was first diagnosed was > put her on a hemp oil (omega 3) supplement. From the very beginning her > psychologist and pediatrician both told me that she would lose weight and have > a decreased appetite if/when we put her on ADHD medication so it would be so > much more important to monitor what she ate. Eventhough she was already > eating a very healthy diet. I was the 'mean mom' denying her anything at > school functions. At pressure from her school I had sent in a list of a few > things that she could have at school during social events. But since she did > indeed lose a few pounds in the first month that she was on medication and her > appetite decreased so much I had to say no to any snacks at school. I > was trying to be accomodating with allowing her to have alternatives at their > socials. Right now I'm struggling with her feeling left out. I wish they > didn't give all that crap to kids in the first place. > Renee > > Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > I help pass out the lunch at my conventional school every other week. > We are told to make the kids take their milk. I tell them they don't have to > drink it. Each day it is a bagged lunch with a turkey or bologna sandwich on a > white roll or bread. Then there is a sugary juice, a piece of fruit or sugary > fruit cup, whole milk that is plain, chocolate, and strawberry, and either > chips or cookies. What junk!!! Thank goodness most of the parents make their > students lunch. > My last school was an independent school and had the majority of the students > boarded there, so they had a full " mess hall " (military background) with 3 hot > options, full salad bar, sandwich bar, and 2 soups everyday. BUT, 80% of the > food was processed, full of salt and sugar, and contained animal > products/byproducts. > You are right, kids do not have a chance, and many parents don't give them the > chance, either. The lunches brought from home are not any better, usually, > than the lunches at school. I had a parent tell me that she did not want to > put her child on ADHA medication and she was hoping to control the natural > way. I have seen her son eat the same processed junk all year long- cheetos, > doritos, white bread meat sandwiches, oreos, soda, McDonalds, etc.... How is > that natural, or does she not know that his diet can help the ADHD? I think > many parents do not think about thier child's diet if they are not overweight. > They have been trained that overweight people need to fix their diet, and if > they are skinny, even better. So wrong that can be, as we know. > I am so glad to have found this group! > Cassie > > between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 i don't know much about ADHD specifically, but i do know that there is a definite link between diet and a multitude of behavioral problems in children. i know several families who have had good success with additive-free diets, vegan diets, and especially the GFCF (gluten-free, casein-free) diet for behavioral problems, including ADHD, conduct disorder, attachment disorders in foster kids, and many other issues. i would agree that diet probably does not directly cause these disorders, but, as in so many things, diet does seem to exacerbate the issue for some. perhaps they are akin, for some kids, to have a propensity toward heart disease, cancer and diabetes - you may not be able to completely prevent the disease, or to completely correct it once it's underway, but dietary corrections can add a bit of extra support toward prevention and healing. i think it's worth a try for everyone. for some, the effects are minimal to nonexistent, but for others the effects are profound. chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Two Anry Moms (http://www.angrymoms.org/) is an organization trying to break the cycle of bad foods. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: wow, i just have to express my support to those of you with kids in conventional/public schools. i had no idea how hard you really have it when it comes to food. my husband is a waldorf teacher. he is vegan and his assistant is a raw-foodist. it's actually in the school's mission statement to feed healthy, whole, organic food to the children. the kids at this school have beautifully healthy food to eat. our son's birthday was last week and he received a homemade raw-food cake with an all-fruit, sugar-free filling and a sprouted grain crust. amazing stuff! my husband is taking over the directorship of the school so all week he will be in a childcare licensing program required by the state. he was there for 8 hours today and most of the day was spent discussing food. the most popular and commonly served meals, according to this class, are white-flour spaghetti with meatballs and hotdogs, but " they shouldn't be served every day - try to mix it up with quesadillas [processed cheese on white flour?], hamburgers [???], chicken patties [?!] and so on. " oh, and by the way, he learned today that " whole milk is required in this state to be fed at every state-funded school's meal. " (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) the class was instructed to come up with a week of meals. my husband's meals included such breakfasts as sprouted oat groats with homemade seed milk, raisins and walnuts, snacks such as sprouted grain crackers and dehydrated, sugar- and sulfate-free fruit or fresh fruit, and lunches like almond butter or seed cheese and vegetables on homemade whole-grain bread with a salad on the side tossed with a simple vinaigrette. the meals from the other kids were things like english muffin pizzas, canned green beans, and string cheese, with of course the state-mandated whole milk. WTH?! it occurred to me, scanning my husband's materials for this class, that most kids don't even stand a chance at being healthy. the deck is stacked against them at every turn. it just breaks my heart. i just wanted to share with people i knew would understand. chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I did not mean to say it was diet caused. I meant that diet can affect (by carrying degrees) how well the child is able to exhibit control. Cassie " life's a garden, dig it! " Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: Diet does not cause ADHD. I get really tired of hearing people say that. ADHD is genetic. Though it is important to monitor diet in children with ADHD to make sure they are getting all the vitamins and minerals that they need. The first thing that we did for my daughter when she was first diagnosed was put her on a hemp oil (omega 3) supplement. From the very beginning her psychologist and pediatrician both told me that she would lose weight and have a decreased appetite if/when we put her on ADHD medication so it would be so much more important to monitor what she ate. Eventhough she was already eating a very healthy diet. I was the 'mean mom' denying her anything at school functions. At pressure from her school I had sent in a list of a few things that she could have at school during social events. But since she did indeed lose a few pounds in the first month that she was on medication and her appetite decreased so much I had to say no to any snacks at school. I was trying to be accomodating with allowing her to have alternatives at their socials. Right now I'm struggling with her feeling left out. I wish they didn't give all that crap to kids in the first place. Renee Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: I help pass out the lunch at my conventional school every other week. We are told to make the kids take their milk. I tell them they don't have to drink it. Each day it is a bagged lunch with a turkey or bologna sandwich on a white roll or bread. Then there is a sugary juice, a piece of fruit or sugary fruit cup, whole milk that is plain, chocolate, and strawberry, and either chips or cookies. What junk!!! Thank goodness most of the parents make their students lunch. My last school was an independent school and had the majority of the students boarded there, so they had a full " mess hall " (military background) with 3 hot options, full salad bar, sandwich bar, and 2 soups everyday. BUT, 80% of the food was processed, full of salt and sugar, and contained animal products/byproducts. You are right, kids do not have a chance, and many parents don't give them the chance, either. The lunches brought from home are not any better, usually, than the lunches at school. I had a parent tell me that she did not want to put her child on ADHA medication and she was hoping to control the natural way. I have seen her son eat the same processed junk all year long- cheetos, doritos, white bread meat sandwiches, oreos, soda, McDonalds, etc.... How is that natural, or does she not know that his diet can help the ADHD? I think many parents do not think about thier child's diet if they are not overweight. They have been trained that overweight people need to fix their diet, and if they are skinny, even better. So wrong that can be, as we know. I am so glad to have found this group! Cassie between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 There have been kids with ADHD who have been helped by dietary changes. The Feingold organization is a great resource for families: www.feingold.org Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: Diet does not cause ADHD. I get really tired of hearing people say that. ADHD is genetic. Though it is important to monitor diet in children with ADHD to make sure they are getting all the vitamins and minerals that they need. The first thing that we did for my daughter when she was first diagnosed was put her on a hemp oil (omega 3) supplement. From the very beginning her psychologist and pediatrician both told me that she would lose weight and have a decreased appetite if/when we put her on ADHD medication so it would be so much more important to monitor what she ate. Eventhough she was already eating a very healthy diet. I was the 'mean mom' denying her anything at school functions. At pressure from her school I had sent in a list of a few things that she could have at school during social events. But since she did indeed lose a few pounds in the first month that she was on medication and her appetite decreased so much I had to say no to any snacks at school. I was trying to be accomodating with allowing her to have alternatives at their socials. Right now I'm struggling with her feeling left out. I wish they didn't give all that crap to kids in the first place. Renee Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: I help pass out the lunch at my conventional school every other week. We are told to make the kids take their milk. I tell them they don't have to drink it. Each day it is a bagged lunch with a turkey or bologna sandwich on a white roll or bread. Then there is a sugary juice, a piece of fruit or sugary fruit cup, whole milk that is plain, chocolate, and strawberry, and either chips or cookies. What junk!!! Thank goodness most of the parents make their students lunch. My last school was an independent school and had the majority of the students boarded there, so they had a full " mess hall " (military background) with 3 hot options, full salad bar, sandwich bar, and 2 soups everyday. BUT, 80% of the food was processed, full of salt and sugar, and contained animal products/byproducts. You are right, kids do not have a chance, and many parents don't give them the chance, either. The lunches brought from home are not any better, usually, than the lunches at school. I had a parent tell me that she did not want to put her child on ADHA medication and she was hoping to control the natural way. I have seen her son eat the same processed junk all year long- cheetos, doritos, white bread meat sandwiches, oreos, soda, McDonalds, etc.... How is that natural, or does she not know that his diet can help the ADHD? I think many parents do not think about thier child's diet if they are not overweight. They have been trained that overweight people need to fix their diet, and if they are skinny, even better. So wrong that can be, as we know. I am so glad to have found this group! Cassie between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 , " Susan Williams " <virgo.vegan wrote: > > > My nephew is so skinny and will only eat pork products and chex mix. He had > surgery about a year ago and lost 15 lbs so his mom decided he needed to eat > twizzlers and chex mix to get the weight back on. I just don't get the > logic behind that. Then this past Easter, my mom made a ham and about 6 > different vegan side options. My nephew ate an entire plate of just ham, > and I ate all the veg options offering DS (13 mos) bits from my plate. He > really enjoyed chewing on some raw asparagus, and loved dipping it into > hummus, then just eating the hummus off that like the asparagus was his > spoon. And everyone made comments about my poor son who is so neglected > because he didn't get to try the ham. No one said anything about the pound > of ham my nephew ate and how neglected he is to not eat fruit or veggies. > > Susan Your nephew eats Twizzlers, ham, and Chex mix, and your family's worried about YOUR kid, who eats hummus and asparagus???? The red dye and preservatives in the crap that boy eats are too horrific to even think about! And--since when will Twizzlers put on weight? Even if I was to agree with the eating of such garbage there's still no sense to that at all! Keep that hummus coming! Your son is a lucky guy. Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I had a similar experience with a PRE-school party -- they have always supplied pop as the drink at school parties, and when another mom and I suggested that instead of pop we supply water and 100% fruit juices, every other member of the board argued against us! I could not believe that they felt it was that important to have pop. On that note, I have another acquaintance who fully believes she eats a very healthy diet -- but has never bought or prepared (even washed and eaten raw) a fresh fruit or veggie. She only buys canned, prepared foods but she always buy things that have claims like " Contains less sodium! " and " Reduced fat! " so she believes that her diet is healthy. Even meat she buys canned, and mashed potatoes come from a box in powder form. She believes " organic " labelling is just a ploy by the government to boost food profits. And of course all the health problems she has are just things that happen to everyone, there's nothing you can do about it. We all seem to have such ingrained ideas of what is good food and what we should eat, and those ideas sure are tough to change even in the face of great evidence. Heather Maggie Vining wrote: > > Yeah it's really bad. : ( I'm so glad I can homeschool my kids. My > daughter was in elementary school for the first part of last year and > I remember talking to the lunch lady about what was served there. She > talked about how good her food was, nutritionally, and then gave me a > list (jello, chocolate cake every MWF, white grain pizzas, white grain > mac and cheese, chicken nuggets, etc..) They did have fresh salads at > least. > > I would not blame the schools though. I was president of my PTA for a > short time and got zero support from the parents to change our ice > cream party to a popcorn party. They all gasped when I suggested it > and then proceeded to tell me how important the ice cream party was > " to the children " . One note about that was we were at an > all-kindergarten school, and this was the first month of school. > These children never would have known about let alone missed the > " traditional " end of the year party in that form. > > So from my experience I believe that parents, generally speaking, are > stuck the traditions of giving children junky foods like cereals, mac > and cheese, pizza, ice cream, candy, etc. Although a lot of progress > is being made lately (some schools won't allow candy or soda on campus > anymore) there is still a lot of resistance to this notion of > " depriving " children their " right " to eat poorly. As a result schools > don't have enough pressure from parents to change their meal plans. > > It really frustrates me. I believe that schools should be the leaders > in our communities, but instead they are more of a reflection of it. > : ( > > Maggie > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM, chandelle' <earthmother213 > <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow, i just have to express my support to those of you with kids in > > conventional/public schools. i had no idea how hard you really have > it when > > it comes to food. > > > > my husband is a waldorf teacher. he is vegan and his assistant is a > > raw-foodist. it's actually in the school's mission statement to feed > > healthy, whole, organic food to the children. the kids at this > school have > > beautifully healthy food to eat. our son's birthday was last week and he > > received a homemade raw-food cake with an all-fruit, sugar-free > filling and > > a sprouted grain crust. amazing stuff! > > > > my husband is taking over the directorship of the school so all week he > > will > > be in a childcare licensing program required by the state. he was > there for > > 8 hours today and most of the day was spent discussing food. the most > > popular and commonly served meals, according to this class, are > white-flour > > spaghetti with meatballs and hotdogs, but " they shouldn't be served > every > > day - try to mix it up with quesadillas [processed cheese on white > flour?], > > hamburgers [???], chicken patties [?!] and so on. " oh, and by the > way, he > > learned today that " whole milk is required in this state to be fed > at every > > state-funded school's meal. " (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) > > > > the class was instructed to come up with a week of meals. my husband's > > meals included such breakfasts as sprouted oat groats with homemade seed > > milk, raisins and walnuts, snacks such as sprouted grain crackers and > > dehydrated, sugar- and sulfate-free fruit or fresh fruit, and > lunches like > > almond butter or seed cheese and vegetables on homemade whole-grain > bread > > with a salad on the side tossed with a simple vinaigrette. the meals > from > > the other kids were things like english muffin pizzas, canned green > beans, > > and string cheese, with of course the state-mandated whole milk. WTH?! > > > > it occurred to me, scanning my husband's materials for this class, that > > most > > kids don't even stand a chance at being healthy. the deck is stacked > > against them at every turn. it just breaks my heart. > > > > i just wanted to share with people i knew would understand. > > > > chandelle > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I read some adverse stuff about " Two Angry Moms " but I can't remember what it was. I know it made me shy away from them a bit and then I never got a chance to check further into it as things in my own life went rather haywire at the time. Does anyone know about anything negative associated with them? Anyone have any contact/experience with them? I not only want to help change the food given in our local schools for my own children's sake (maybe I can eventually look forward to not having to pack their lunch every day) but I am a teacher as well in an inner city school with almost 100% free lunch. These kids rarely get good nutrition when they are home, if they get anything at all. Most of their so-called " nutrition " comes from the free breakfast and lunch they get at school. It does little more than fill their tummies which isn't all bad but it would be soooo much better if the food also benefitted them in other ways. What our school district passes off as food is shameful. So, I'd like to know more about Two Angry Moms " , other than what their website says - if any of you can help me with info, I'd appreciate it. God's Peace, Gayle - robin koloms Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:44 PM Re: food at school Two Anry Moms (http://www.angrymoms.org/) is an organization trying to break the cycle of bad foods. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: wow, i just have to express my support to those of you with kids in conventional/public schools. i had no idea how hard you really have it when it comes to food. my husband is a waldorf teacher. he is vegan and his assistant is a raw-foodist. it's actually in the school's mission statement to feed healthy, whole, organic food to the children. the kids at this school have beautifully healthy food to eat. our son's birthday was last week and he received a homemade raw-food cake with an all-fruit, sugar-free filling and a sprouted grain crust. amazing stuff! my husband is taking over the directorship of the school so all week he will be in a childcare licensing program required by the state. he was there for 8 hours today and most of the day was spent discussing food. the most popular and commonly served meals, according to this class, are white-flour spaghetti with meatballs and hotdogs, but " they shouldn't be served every day - try to mix it up with quesadillas [processed cheese on white flour?], hamburgers [???], chicken patties [?!] and so on. " oh, and by the way, he learned today that " whole milk is required in this state to be fed at every state-funded school's meal. " (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) the class was instructed to come up with a week of meals. my husband's meals included such breakfasts as sprouted oat groats with homemade seed milk, raisins and walnuts, snacks such as sprouted grain crackers and dehydrated, sugar- and sulfate-free fruit or fresh fruit, and lunches like almond butter or seed cheese and vegetables on homemade whole-grain bread with a salad on the side tossed with a simple vinaigrette. the meals from the other kids were things like english muffin pizzas, canned green beans, and string cheese, with of course the state-mandated whole milk. WTH?! it occurred to me, scanning my husband's materials for this class, that most kids don't even stand a chance at being healthy. the deck is stacked against them at every turn. it just breaks my heart. i just wanted to share with people i knew would understand. chandelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 " then just eating the hummus off that like the asparagus was his spoon. " This is what my daughter does (22 months) with many of her veggies, and sometimes even her hand! LOL With hummus and ketchup, and everything called " dip " ! I will give her 5 crackers or a stick of celery and a little ramiken of hummus, and all the hummus will be gone and she will be on the first cracker or have crunched on the celery and spit it all out and used her fingers Cassie Susan Williams <virgo.vegan wrote: On 4/15/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > > " They have been trained that overweight people need to fix their diet, and > if they are skinny, even better. So wrong that can be, as we know. " > > > My nephew is so skinny and will only eat pork products and chex mix. He had surgery about a year ago and lost 15 lbs so his mom decided he needed to eat twizzlers and chex mix to get the weight back on. I just don't get the logic behind that. Then this past Easter, my mom made a ham and about 6 different vegan side options. My nephew ate an entire plate of just ham, and I ate all the veg options offering DS (13 mos) bits from my plate. He really enjoyed chewing on some raw asparagus, and loved dipping it into hummus, then just eating the hummus off that like the asparagus was his spoon. And everyone made comments about my poor son who is so neglected because he didn't get to try the ham. No one said anything about the pound of ham my nephew ate and how neglected he is to not eat fruit or veggies. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Have you read " Skinny Bitch " ? It calls soda (pop) " liquid Satan " and use that with my students. They all have an idea of the devil, and I let them know the crap that is in this " treat " . Cassie between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Jacqueline, I am a vegan cookbook FREAK...I think I own ALL of them...Amazon sends me birthday cards....Borders and Waldenbooks know me by name (and genre) ...I wouldn't keep that " Skinny " book if someone GAVE it to me. bad marketing ploy in my opinion. I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 , Jacqueline Bodnar <jb wrote: > > Speaking of " Skinny Bitch " .... is it just me or is there anyone else > that won't purchase that book because of the name? I know I wouldn't! Maybe it helps with > sales to get raunchy? But with me it hurts because I won't buy because > of it... I am finding that more and more these days--using sex or raunch to try and look " cool " and sell stuff--maybe to appeal to the 20-somethings??? Well, I'm not dead yet, and I am still an active consumer, " old " though I may be, thank you very much! Whoever is coming up with these disgusting tactics simply has no clue how much they're HARMING the sales of the very products or services they're trying to promote! I'm no completely sheltered prude, either, Jacqueline. But I'm with you! Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 The book ROCKS! I personally don't believe in " bad " words since any word you can say can be said " badly " . I teach my three kids ages 3,8, and 12 how to be respectful using whatever language they wish. They know the words that society has deemed " bad " and know that they are allowed by me to use whatever words they wish and they almost never use " bad " words. The reason most kids say those words is because they are forbidden. I know as a kid that anything someone told me not to do automatically made me want to do it more. Anyway the book is great and is the reason I became a vegetarian again. They hold nothing back. The cook book has some great recipes in it as well. If you take the plunge and purchase or borrow the book I think you might be surprised at how good it is. Anyway this is just my opinion and I know many will totally disagree with it which is quite alright:) I hope you all have a beautiful day. Shari On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Inga McFadden <ingamcfadden wrote: > Jacqueline, > I am a vegan cookbook FREAK...I think I own ALL of them...Amazon sends > me birthday cards....Borders and Waldenbooks know me by name (and > genre) ...I wouldn't keep that " Skinny " book if someone GAVE it to me. > bad marketing ploy in my opinion. > I. > > > -- Shari Bergquist Independent Stampin' Up Demonstrator www.sharibergquist.stampinup.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 It is my first veggie cookbook and I really like the information book and the " -In the Kitch " one as well. I had bought one vege cookbook when I was in high school, but it was sooooo very hard to use that it has sat in my shelves for many years (lots of things from scratch).I am more of a convenience girl. Much of the information from the first SB book was not new, but presented in a way that catches the attention of people. I have watched 3 interviews of the authors, and that was their purpose. The statistics can be boring and they wanted to get more people on the bandwagon. Mainstream society likes the 'in your face " game, and if that is what it takes to get the books in people's hands and the info in their heads, I am for it. Cassie P.S. I keep both of the books in my bedroom nightstand, so not little wandering eyes. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I did buy the first one and sent it to my mom who really responds to that kind of angle. I looked at the cookbook and it was really so basic and based on so many prepackaged foods that I saw no use for it as a resource. Jacqueline Bodnar <jb wrote: Speaking of " Skinny Bitch " .... is it just me or is there anyone else that won't purchase that book because of the name? I've looked at it a few times in the bookstore. But I refuse to buy it because of the title and all the cuss word references I see on it. Not that I'm a prude, but when I'm trying to teach my kids to speak with respect I can't see having a book with that title sitting on my cookbook shelf. I'm just curious if it's just me or others that care about the less than desirable title (especially since we are parents). Maybe it helps with sales to get raunchy? But with me it hurts because I won't buy because of it... Jacqueline Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I definitely find the title offensive and (I think) I have a pretty good sense of humor. I find it sad that to be offended by the title, one is labeled a prude or a stick-in-the-mud. Come on! I find the title to be misogynistic and there are multiple problems with the glamorization of " skinniness " as something to aspire to obtain. (If you don't think that it's anti-woman, just imagine the title " Skinny B*stard " having the same meaning in our culture to men.) To me, given the context of this specific book, the use of the b-word is not an empowering reclamation of a hurtful word but an example of women being co-opted by a sexist society and consumers buying into it. The runaway success of it based on the " sassy " title and tone is a good barometer to me that we still have a long way to go in terms of cultural progress. It really makes me sad. On top of all that, I actually reviewed SB for VegNews a few issues back and I can tell you pointblank that the recipes in it will NOT make one skinny, if that's what one aspires to, unless one eats 5,000 calories of junk food a day. It's chock full o' high-fat recipes, white flour and wheat gluten throughout. Bah! Sorry -- I'm not usually this cranky. Marla > Speaking of " Skinny Bitch " .... is it just me or is there anyone else > that won't purchase that book because of the name? I've looked at it a > few times in the bookstore. But I refuse to buy it because of the title > and all the cuss word references I see on it. Not that I'm a prude, but > when I'm trying to teach my kids to speak with respect I can't see > having a book with that title sitting on my cookbook shelf. I'm just > curious if it's just me or others that care about the less than > desirable title (especially since we are parents). Maybe it helps with > sales to get raunchy? But with me it hurts because I won't buy because > of it... > > Jacqueline > > > > --- > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 as a feminist, i cannot support the marketing. so i've avoided it even though i'm a fiend for cookbooks. chandelle On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb wrote: > Speaking of " Skinny Bitch " .... is it just me or is there anyone else > that won't purchase that book because of the name? I've looked at it a > few times in the bookstore. But I refuse to buy it because of the title > and all the cuss word references I see on it. Not that I'm a prude, but > when I'm trying to teach my kids to speak with respect I can't see > having a book with that title sitting on my cookbook shelf. I'm just > curious if it's just me or others that care about the less than > desirable title (especially since we are parents). Maybe it helps with > sales to get raunchy? But with me it hurts because I won't buy because > of it... > > Jacqueline > > > > -- " religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called science, and no one would believe in it. " ~stephen colbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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