Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Jill, I am SO glad you posted this link...because it clears things up for me. I don't eat meat because of the inhumane treatment of animals, which also leads to health issues secondly not to mention the environment. Still, I don't feel it is necessarily a " sin " so to speak to eat meat. Anyway, this helped validate my thinking. , " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer wrote: > > Great link...and what a great discussion! I've been looking into the topic of Christianity and > Vegetarianism quite a bit over the past year. I also belong to the Christian Vegetarian > Association ...great conversation there too...very informative. > > The question that keeps recurring in my mind...so if we began as vegetarians and it was > " perfect " and we are to return to that, then why not just do that now? I guess in thinking > back to consuming flesh and using animals products I just didn't think about it then. Once > my eyes were opened to not using animals it was a total enlightenment and I can't even > fathom going back to the omni way of life. I guess maybe that is where others are? Its just > so " normal " to use animals in that way and they cannot imagine not doing it? Any > thoughts? > > BTW...I'm a fairly new veg, though looking at my life as a whole, I know it was just a > matter of time for me. I've been a vegetarian for almost a year now, vegan for about half > of that. I have a 2 1/2 yr old daughter whom I am raising vegan and my husband has > made leaps and bounds toward a veg life as well. > > , Jill Van Prooyen <devonrexkitty@> wrote: > > > > > > I actually do believe that the Bible condones eating meat. > > Here's a link that sums up my thoughts > > http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=167 > > However, the Bible does not say we have to eat meat, nor does it condone > > cruelty. If > > anyone says " God wants you to eat meat " , there is nothing > > in the Bible making it a requirement. > > I personally quit eating meat because animals are horribly > > treated on factory farms, as well as the health implications > > from meat overconsumption, and illnesses spread through > > meat. The Bible doesn't touch on those issues, since factory > > farms didn't exist when the Bible was written. Shepherds and goatherds > > weren't raising animals by the thousands, every animal was important. > > There is a parable about a shepherd leaving 99 sheep to find one lost sheep (describing > how God is searching everyone), which shepherds could relate to at that time. They had an > incentive to > > treat their animals humanely. > > There is a verse in Proverbs about wisdom in treating animals kindly. I don't think > > God condones the way animals are treated today. > > If you have any more questions about scripture verses, I'm free to > > chat more. > > Hope this helps. I have heard many people say that the Bible says " Thou > > shalt not kill " , but Jesus (who was sinless) ate fish, fed people fish, the Jews ate Lamb at > Passover, and > > God commanded animal sacrifices until Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. > > Thou shalt not kill refers to humans killing each other (though there is more scripture > about wars, the death penalty, etc). > > jillben2008 <jillben2008@> wrote: Hi Everyone, > > > > Just looking for a little help. (I admit that I know very, very little > > about the bible.) I have a friend who likes to quote the bible as a > > reason for eating meat. While I can find answers to most of the > > passages that she refers to, she recently sent me an email with just > > one line referring to > > Deuteronomy 14:4. > > I looked the passage up and see that it refers to Clean vs. Unclean > > animals and which ones people are allowed to eat. > > Do any of you know the context of this passage? > > I have found so many excellent websites that explain certain passages, > > but I really don't know about this one. > > > > I realize that it seems futile to try to argue points with someone, but > > we do it good naturedly. Sometimes she can be very annoying though. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Thank you all for the responses! I think my friend gets pretty annoyed by my responses...but she starts it! She also enjoys sending me Republican propoganda. I also don't believe that eating meat is technically a sin. However it almost seems that many Christian meateaters feel they must eat meat, as if the Bible is requiring it. , " mylameoww " <mylameoww wrote: > > Jill, I am SO glad you posted this link...because it clears things up > for me. I don't eat meat because of the inhumane treatment of > animals, which also leads to health issues secondly not to mention > the environment. Still, I don't feel it is necessarily a " sin " so to > speak to eat meat. Anyway, this helped validate my thinking. > > > , " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer@> wrote: > > > > Great link...and what a great discussion! I've been looking into > the topic of Christianity and > > Vegetarianism quite a bit over the past year. I also belong to the > Christian Vegetarian > > Association ...great conversation there too...very > informative. > > > > The question that keeps recurring in my mind...so if we began as > vegetarians and it was > > " perfect " and we are to return to that, then why not just do that > now? I guess in thinking > > back to consuming flesh and using animals products I just didn't > think about it then. Once > > my eyes were opened to not using animals it was a total > enlightenment and I can't even > > fathom going back to the omni way of life. I guess maybe that is > where others are? Its just > > so " normal " to use animals in that way and they cannot imagine not > doing it? Any > > thoughts? > > > > BTW...I'm a fairly new veg, though looking at my life as a whole, I > know it was just a > > matter of time for me. I've been a vegetarian for almost a year > now, vegan for about half > > of that. I have a 2 1/2 yr old daughter whom I am raising vegan > and my husband has > > made leaps and bounds toward a veg life as well. > > > > , Jill Van Prooyen > <devonrexkitty@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I actually do believe that the Bible condones eating meat. > > > Here's a link that sums up my thoughts > > > http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=167 > > > However, the Bible does not say we have to eat meat, nor does it > condone > > > cruelty. If > > > anyone says " God wants you to eat meat " , there is nothing > > > in the Bible making it a requirement. > > > I personally quit eating meat because animals are horribly > > > treated on factory farms, as well as the health implications > > > from meat overconsumption, and illnesses spread through > > > meat. The Bible doesn't touch on those issues, since factory > > > farms didn't exist when the Bible was written. Shepherds and > goatherds > > > weren't raising animals by the thousands, every animal was > important. > > > There is a parable about a shepherd leaving 99 sheep to find one > lost sheep (describing > > how God is searching everyone), which shepherds could relate to at > that time. They had an > > incentive to > > > treat their animals humanely. > > > There is a verse in Proverbs about wisdom in treating animals > kindly. I don't think > > > God condones the way animals are treated today. > > > If you have any more questions about scripture verses, I'm free to > > > chat more. > > > Hope this helps. I have heard many people say that the Bible > says " Thou > > > shalt not kill " , but Jesus (who was sinless) ate fish, fed people > fish, the Jews ate Lamb at > > Passover, and > > > God commanded animal sacrifices until Jesus was the ultimate > sacrifice for our sins. > > > Thou shalt not kill refers to humans killing each other (though > there is more scripture > > about wars, the death penalty, etc). > > > jillben2008 <jillben2008@> wrote: Hi > Everyone, > > > > > > Just looking for a little help. (I admit that I know very, very > little > > > about the bible.) I have a friend who likes to quote the bible > as a > > > reason for eating meat. While I can find answers to most of the > > > passages that she refers to, she recently sent me an email with > just > > > one line referring to > > > Deuteronomy 14:4. > > > I looked the passage up and see that it refers to Clean vs. > Unclean > > > animals and which ones people are allowed to eat. > > > Do any of you know the context of this passage? > > > I have found so many excellent websites that explain certain > passages, > > > but I really don't know about this one. > > > > > > I realize that it seems futile to try to argue points with > someone, but > > > we do it good naturedly. Sometimes she can be very annoying > though. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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