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i am in agreement with jacqueline. for me veganism is about reducing harm

to animals, my health and the environment. plastic is one of the worst

things for the environment; buying plastic keys to replace ivory ones might

reduce your own squeamishness but it's harsh on the earth. for me, i refuse

to buy animal products first-hand because it's important to me to avoid

supporting the industry itself. i still won't buy leather because of the

chemicals, but i buy wool sweaters secondhand to use the yarn, and so on.

there is no purity! in anything! and there's no point driving ourselves

crazy about it. we just do the best we can. if you're buying a used piano,

your money isn't supporting those terrible industries, and buying secondhand

is one of the best things you can do for the earth. i wouldn't worry about

it. enjoy the piano and if you have kids, use those parts of it as object

lessons.

 

chandelle

 

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb

wrote:

 

> Lorraine,

>

> I just wanted to throw my two cents in there... vegetarianism is about

> doing the least amount of harm to animals when given the chance.

> Everyday we do things that harm animals that we may not have a decision

> over - such as the glue holding our cabinets together, the animal fat

> used in the vulcanization process of our rubber tires, etc. There are

> things we can help (purchasing meat, fur, etc.) and there are things we

> can't control but wish we could. I would not avoid playing or buying a

> piano because of the issue. Do what you can to make sure it meets your

> standards and you are comfortable with it. Then enjoy playing the piano.

> You are doing so much good in the world just by being a vegetarian!

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

>

 

 

 

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I was going to say something similar to this.

At least the refurbished pianos are being used again, so while it is

unfortunate and sad about the ivory, wool and whatever else may be in

there - at least it is getting a second life, and is not giving up

it's life for YOU.

 

On the other side, I know they have very good electronic pianos, with

weighted keys so you get the right finger action and such. I've seen

them for decent prices, still an investment, but they don't need the

yearly tuning (or more depending on where you live) and they seem to

be a bit more durable. They have some that 'look' more like

traditional pianos, but we had a 66 key keyboard from a friend of ours

when our son was taking Suzuki piano lessons. It was very nice, but

was not like the uprights, it was on a keyboard stand. For the first

year's lessons this was fine for us, because they don't use most of

them for a while. :) Traditional lessons probably longer than that,

though it has been a very long time since I had them to really know

for sure. :)

 

Good luck. It can be a tricky decision to make, but at least you're

considering your options, and minimizing the animal suffering where

and when you can. At least if you get something with ivory/wool/etc

then it is at least being re-used and refurbished, rather than being

tossed out or what have you - which would be a shame.

 

Missie

 

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Jacqueline Bodnar

<jb wrote:

> Lorraine,

>

> I just wanted to throw my two cents in there... vegetarianism is about

> doing the least amount of harm to animals when given the chance.

> Everyday we do things that harm animals that we may not have a decision

> over - such as the glue holding our cabinets together, the animal fat

> used in the vulcanization process of our rubber tires, etc. There are

> things we can help (purchasing meat, fur, etc.) and there are things we

> can't control but wish we could. I would not avoid playing or buying a

> piano because of the issue. Do what you can to make sure it meets your

> standards and you are comfortable with it. Then enjoy playing the piano.

> You are doing so much good in the world just by being a vegetarian!

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

 

 

 

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Hi Jacqueline and Chandelle,

Thanks so much for your input. It ends up that the piano has been

re-keyed with plastic (or at least it looks that way from this

uneducated eye with a little internet research behind it), so the ivory

isn't an issue, and we've decided that the glue and wool is so prevalent

in other things in our house (which we sometimes knew about and

sometimes not, until this research), that we will be okay with it. So,

we're getting piano mover quotes tomorrow! Yayy!

 

Funny that you both had " doing the least amount of harm " and " there is

no purity " kinds of comments - that was sort of the direction we were

heading in with our discussions . . . but once we mentioned the chance

of ivory keys to our 3-1/2-year-old and he found out ivory is from

elephant tusks, he freaked out. So, we had this big talk with him last

night about how nobody and nothing is perfect, and that we try to follow

our ideals as closely as we can, but that perfect is impossible. We

talked to him about the rennet in cheese in restaurants, about the glue

in our furniture, the bone in our inherited china, the wool in caps that

loving friends make for him . . . and he started seeing the point that

we can only do what we can do. But, today when I asked him what he

thought of the piano, he asked, " does it have elephant tusks? " When I

said no, he cheered. So cute.

 

Thanks for your great input - supporting what we really were leaning

towards already, to be able to have a wonderful, big musical

extravaganza in our dining room - for a steal, at that! :-)

Thanks!

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of chandelle'

Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:36 PM

 

Re: Pianos and vegetarianism

 

i am in agreement with jacqueline. for me veganism is about reducing

harm

to animals, my health and the environment. plastic is one of the worst

things for the environment; buying plastic keys to replace ivory ones

might

reduce your own squeamishness but it's harsh on the earth. for me, i

refuse

to buy animal products first-hand because it's important to me to avoid

supporting the industry itself. i still won't buy leather because of the

chemicals, but i buy wool sweaters secondhand to use the yarn, and so

on.

there is no purity! in anything! and there's no point driving ourselves

crazy about it. we just do the best we can. if you're buying a used

piano,

your money isn't supporting those terrible industries, and buying

secondhand

is one of the best things you can do for the earth. i wouldn't worry

about

it. enjoy the piano and if you have kids, use those parts of it as

object

lessons.

 

chandelle

 

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb@jacquelinebodnar

<jb%40jacquelinebodnar.com> .com>

wrote:

 

> Lorraine,

>

> I just wanted to throw my two cents in there... vegetarianism is about

> doing the least amount of harm to animals when given the chance.

> Everyday we do things that harm animals that we may not have a

decision

> over - such as the glue holding our cabinets together, the animal fat

> used in the vulcanization process of our rubber tires, etc. There are

> things we can help (purchasing meat, fur, etc.) and there are things

we

> can't control but wish we could. I would not avoid playing or buying a

> piano because of the issue. Do what you can to make sure it meets your

> standards and you are comfortable with it. Then enjoy playing the

piano.

> You are doing so much good in the world just by being a vegetarian!

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

>

 

--

" if voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. "

 

~emma goldman

 

 

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Hi Missie,

Thanks so much for your input! You know, we have an electric key board,

we just never use it. It just doesn't feel substantial enough, and the

sound doesn't feel real to me. We have a friend who has one, too, and

he loves it and uses it all the time - and never plays his piano. :-)

I'm so excited about this piano - and so glad it's working out for us!

Thanks again!

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of Missie

Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:47 PM

 

Re: Pianos and vegetarianism

 

I was going to say something similar to this.

At least the refurbished pianos are being used again, so while it is

unfortunate and sad about the ivory, wool and whatever else may be in

there - at least it is getting a second life, and is not giving up

it's life for YOU.

 

On the other side, I know they have very good electronic pianos, with

weighted keys so you get the right finger action and such. I've seen

them for decent prices, still an investment, but they don't need the

yearly tuning (or more depending on where you live) and they seem to

be a bit more durable. They have some that 'look' more like

traditional pianos, but we had a 66 key keyboard from a friend of ours

when our son was taking Suzuki piano lessons. It was very nice, but

was not like the uprights, it was on a keyboard stand. For the first

year's lessons this was fine for us, because they don't use most of

them for a while. :) Traditional lessons probably longer than that,

though it has been a very long time since I had them to really know

for sure. :)

 

Good luck. It can be a tricky decision to make, but at least you're

considering your options, and minimizing the animal suffering where

and when you can. At least if you get something with ivory/wool/etc

then it is at least being re-used and refurbished, rather than being

tossed out or what have you - which would be a shame.

 

Missie

 

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Jacqueline Bodnar

<jb@jacquelinebodnar <jb%40jacquelinebodnar.com> .com> wrote:

> Lorraine,

>

> I just wanted to throw my two cents in there... vegetarianism is about

> doing the least amount of harm to animals when given the chance.

> Everyday we do things that harm animals that we may not have a

decision

> over - such as the glue holding our cabinets together, the animal fat

> used in the vulcanization process of our rubber tires, etc. There are

> things we can help (purchasing meat, fur, etc.) and there are things

we

> can't control but wish we could. I would not avoid playing or buying a

> piano because of the issue. Do what you can to make sure it meets your

> standards and you are comfortable with it. Then enjoy playing the

piano.

> You are doing so much good in the world just by being a vegetarian!

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

 

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