Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Alan, Thanks for this Vitamin D info, I am going to look for this book. My Vit D is very low, and I eat dairy and take extra calcium. I wonder what is says about calcium requirements since I was reccomended to take extra calcium as I think a lot of women are. Now that I think about it, I think I read that dairy products inhibit calcium absoprtion also due to the protein?? I supose I should try again to stop the dairy products! ~Danielle , " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte wrote: > > Marilyn, > > T. Colin Campbell's book, the China Study, has some very good info > on Vitamin D. It explains how the vitamin D that you receive from > sunshine or food is turned into the active or " supercharged " vitamin > D that the body actually uses. So it's important not to supress the > production of the supercharged vitamin D. Two things that suppress > it are animal protein (eggs, dairy, flesh) and excessive calcium. > Refer to the book for all the details. > > This would suggest that we should do well on a plant-based diet and > the right amount of sunshine (or Vitamin D2 supplement). > > Aside, you mentioned that people can get vitamin D from dairy > products, which is true, but it is not naturallly occurring. Cow > milk (the basis of dairy products) and soy milk both have vitamin D > because they are fortified. > > I hope you'll let us know what changes you make and the results - > hopefully good! > > Regards, > Alan > > > , " sahmomof8 " <sahmomof8@> wrote: > > > > I just heard back from Dr. Fuhrman (he wrote " Eat to Live " ), who > dh and > > I went to see a couple of weeks ago. He got the results of my > bloodwork > > back. He said I was very anemic, and that my vitamin D level > > was " dangerously low " . It's no wonder I have been basically non- > > functional for so long! I blamed it all on being pretty overweight > > (which was one reason we went to see him in the first place), but > now I > > know that really isn't the whole picture, by any means. > > > > Dr. Fuhrman put me on supplements, but I have a question for you > guys, > > which I didn't think to ask him. I still may e-mail him, but I'd > like > > some " mommy feedback " , too. Does anyone know what might cause > such > > low levels of iron and vitamin D in the body (besides monthly > cycles > > and lack of sunshine--I know those)? And what would you do to > increase > > the levels, aside from using dairy products (I can't), or getting > out > > in the sunshine more (I'm trying). Other ideas? Cautions, > comments, or > > ideas about using supplements? > > > > Next question--what can I use to top a baked potato, besides the > > obvious (butter and sour cream, etc.)? Must be vegan. Simple > ideas, > > anyone? I think topped baked potatoes would make a great dinner, > but > > I'm not quite sure what to put on them. Thanks! Marilyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Danielle, I love when these topics come up because it motivates me to go back and refresh my memory about what I read or heard. Your memory of the China Study is correct about consumption of animal protein being linked to increases in bone fractures, because animal protein is acidic and the body compensates by pulling calcium from bones, which weakens them. Numeous studies are cited indicating that the more plant protein is consumed instead of animal protein, fewer broken bones and less bone loss occurs. Campbell explains how Vitamin D regulates calcium absorption, and how excessive calcium intake over a long period of time can interfere with this regulatory mechanism. Campbell emphasizes a whole foods plant-based diet, and so he recommends we get our calcium from various plant foods like beans and leafy vegetables. He also recommends staying physically active and keeping salt intake to a minimum. If you get to the point where you are doing all those things, then maybe just make sure you are getting enough sunshine, and if not, take a daily vitamin D2 supplement. Personally, on my way from vegetarian to vegan I replaced the standard supermarket dairy-based calcium products like milk and yogurt with soy milk and soy yogurt, which have an equivalent amount of calcium, vitamin D, and protein, but without the acidic animal protein. Remember that Campbell links animal protein, particulary from dairy, to just about every other health problem you can imagine, so there are lots of incentives to switch. - Alan , " mylameoww " <mylameoww wrote: > > Alan, Thanks for this Vitamin D info, I am going to look for this > book. My Vit D is very low, and I eat dairy and take extra > calcium. I wonder what is says about calcium requirements since I > was reccomended to take extra calcium as I think a lot of women > are. Now that I think about it, I think I read that dairy products > inhibit calcium absoprtion also due to the protein?? I supose I > should try again to stop the dairy products! ~Danielle > > , " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte@> > wrote: > > > > Marilyn, > > > > T. Colin Campbell's book, the China Study, has some very good info > > on Vitamin D. It explains how the vitamin D that you receive from > > sunshine or food is turned into the active or " supercharged " > vitamin > > D that the body actually uses. So it's important not to supress > the > > production of the supercharged vitamin D. Two things that > suppress > > it are animal protein (eggs, dairy, flesh) and excessive calcium. > > Refer to the book for all the details. > > > > This would suggest that we should do well on a plant-based diet > and > > the right amount of sunshine (or Vitamin D2 supplement). > > > > Aside, you mentioned that people can get vitamin D from dairy > > products, which is true, but it is not naturallly occurring. Cow > > milk (the basis of dairy products) and soy milk both have vitamin > D > > because they are fortified. > > > > I hope you'll let us know what changes you make and the results - > > hopefully good! > > > > Regards, > > Alan > > > > > > , " sahmomof8 " <sahmomof8@> wrote: > > > > > > I just heard back from Dr. Fuhrman (he wrote " Eat to Live " ), who > > dh and > > > I went to see a couple of weeks ago. He got the results of my > > bloodwork > > > back. He said I was very anemic, and that my vitamin D level > > > was " dangerously low " . It's no wonder I have been basically non- > > > functional for so long! I blamed it all on being pretty > overweight > > > (which was one reason we went to see him in the first place), > but > > now I > > > know that really isn't the whole picture, by any means. > > > > > > Dr. Fuhrman put me on supplements, but I have a question for you > > guys, > > > which I didn't think to ask him. I still may e-mail him, but I'd > > like > > > some " mommy feedback " , too. Does anyone know what might cause > > such > > > low levels of iron and vitamin D in the body (besides monthly > > cycles > > > and lack of sunshine--I know those)? And what would you do to > > increase > > > the levels, aside from using dairy products (I can't), or > getting > > out > > > in the sunshine more (I'm trying). Other ideas? Cautions, > > comments, or > > > ideas about using supplements? > > > > > > Next question--what can I use to top a baked potato, besides the > > > obvious (butter and sour cream, etc.)? Must be vegan. Simple > > ideas, > > > anyone? I think topped baked potatoes would make a great dinner, > > but > > > I'm not quite sure what to put on them. Thanks! Marilyn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Thanks Alan, I am reading the China Study right now, and I think it is really encouraging me to give up dairy! Its really scary how the dairy protein is linked to so many things, I didn't realize. One of the problems I think with my Vit D so low was moving from CA to Northern WA state where the sun is very lacking. and I think of when we moved here I heard MS was very prevelent in this area, and I wondeered why, well there is a link to this in the study about the lack of vit D from the sun leading to autoimmune diseases. Its very compelling info. Thanks! ~Danielle , " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte wrote: > > Danielle, > > I love when these topics come up because it motivates me to go back > and refresh my memory about what I read or heard. > > Your memory of the China Study is correct about consumption of > animal protein being linked to increases in bone fractures, because > animal protein is acidic and the body compensates by pulling calcium > from bones, which weakens them. Numeous studies are cited > indicating that the more plant protein is consumed instead of animal > protein, fewer broken bones and less bone loss occurs. > > Campbell explains how Vitamin D regulates calcium absorption, and > how excessive calcium intake over a long period of time can > interfere with this regulatory mechanism. > > Campbell emphasizes a whole foods plant-based diet, and so he > recommends we get our calcium from various plant foods like beans > and leafy vegetables. He also recommends staying physically active > and keeping salt intake to a minimum. > > If you get to the point where you are doing all those things, then > maybe just make sure you are getting enough sunshine, and if not, > take a daily vitamin D2 supplement. > > Personally, on my way from vegetarian to vegan I replaced the > standard supermarket dairy-based calcium products like milk and > yogurt with soy milk and soy yogurt, which have an equivalent amount > of calcium, vitamin D, and protein, but without the acidic animal > protein. > > Remember that Campbell links animal protein, particulary from dairy, > to just about every other health problem you can imagine, so there > are lots of incentives to switch. > > - Alan > > > , " mylameoww " <mylameoww@> wrote: > > > > Alan, Thanks for this Vitamin D info, I am going to look for this > > book. My Vit D is very low, and I eat dairy and take extra > > calcium. I wonder what is says about calcium requirements since I > > was reccomended to take extra calcium as I think a lot of women > > are. Now that I think about it, I think I read that dairy > products > > inhibit calcium absoprtion also due to the protein?? I supose I > > should try again to stop the dairy products! ~Danielle > > > > , " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Marilyn, > > > > > > T. Colin Campbell's book, the China Study, has some very good > info > > > on Vitamin D. It explains how the vitamin D that you receive > from > > > sunshine or food is turned into the active or " supercharged " > > vitamin > > > D that the body actually uses. So it's important not to supress > > the > > > production of the supercharged vitamin D. Two things that > > suppress > > > it are animal protein (eggs, dairy, flesh) and excessive > calcium. > > > Refer to the book for all the details. > > > > > > This would suggest that we should do well on a plant-based diet > > and > > > the right amount of sunshine (or Vitamin D2 supplement). > > > > > > Aside, you mentioned that people can get vitamin D from dairy > > > products, which is true, but it is not naturallly occurring. > Cow > > > milk (the basis of dairy products) and soy milk both have > vitamin > > D > > > because they are fortified. > > > > > > I hope you'll let us know what changes you make and the results - > > > > hopefully good! > > > > > > Regards, > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > , " sahmomof8 " <sahmomof8@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I just heard back from Dr. Fuhrman (he wrote " Eat to Live " ), > who > > > dh and > > > > I went to see a couple of weeks ago. He got the results of my > > > bloodwork > > > > back. He said I was very anemic, and that my vitamin D level > > > > was " dangerously low " . It's no wonder I have been basically > non- > > > > functional for so long! I blamed it all on being pretty > > overweight > > > > (which was one reason we went to see him in the first place), > > but > > > now I > > > > know that really isn't the whole picture, by any means. > > > > > > > > Dr. Fuhrman put me on supplements, but I have a question for > you > > > guys, > > > > which I didn't think to ask him. I still may e-mail him, but > I'd > > > like > > > > some " mommy feedback " , too. Does anyone know what might > cause > > > such > > > > low levels of iron and vitamin D in the body (besides monthly > > > cycles > > > > and lack of sunshine--I know those)? And what would you do to > > > increase > > > > the levels, aside from using dairy products (I can't), or > > getting > > > out > > > > in the sunshine more (I'm trying). Other ideas? Cautions, > > > comments, or > > > > ideas about using supplements? > > > > > > > > Next question--what can I use to top a baked potato, besides > the > > > > obvious (butter and sour cream, etc.)? Must be vegan. Simple > > > ideas, > > > > anyone? I think topped baked potatoes would make a great > dinner, > > > but > > > > I'm not quite sure what to put on them. Thanks! Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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