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Alan, Thanks for this Vitamin D info, I am going to look for this

book. My Vit D is very low, and I eat dairy and take extra

calcium. I wonder what is says about calcium requirements since I

was reccomended to take extra calcium as I think a lot of women

are. Now that I think about it, I think I read that dairy products

inhibit calcium absoprtion also due to the protein?? I supose I

should try again to stop the dairy products! ~Danielle

 

, " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte

wrote:

>

> Marilyn,

>

> T. Colin Campbell's book, the China Study, has some very good info

> on Vitamin D. It explains how the vitamin D that you receive from

> sunshine or food is turned into the active or " supercharged "

vitamin

> D that the body actually uses. So it's important not to supress

the

> production of the supercharged vitamin D. Two things that

suppress

> it are animal protein (eggs, dairy, flesh) and excessive calcium.

> Refer to the book for all the details.

>

> This would suggest that we should do well on a plant-based diet

and

> the right amount of sunshine (or Vitamin D2 supplement).

>

> Aside, you mentioned that people can get vitamin D from dairy

> products, which is true, but it is not naturallly occurring. Cow

> milk (the basis of dairy products) and soy milk both have vitamin

D

> because they are fortified.

>

> I hope you'll let us know what changes you make and the results -

> hopefully good!

>

> Regards,

> Alan

>

>

> , " sahmomof8 " <sahmomof8@> wrote:

> >

> > I just heard back from Dr. Fuhrman (he wrote " Eat to Live " ), who

> dh and

> > I went to see a couple of weeks ago. He got the results of my

> bloodwork

> > back. He said I was very anemic, and that my vitamin D level

> > was " dangerously low " . It's no wonder I have been basically non-

> > functional for so long! I blamed it all on being pretty

overweight

> > (which was one reason we went to see him in the first place),

but

> now I

> > know that really isn't the whole picture, by any means.

> >

> > Dr. Fuhrman put me on supplements, but I have a question for you

> guys,

> > which I didn't think to ask him. I still may e-mail him, but I'd

> like

> > some " mommy feedback " , too. :) Does anyone know what might cause

> such

> > low levels of iron and vitamin D in the body (besides monthly

> cycles

> > and lack of sunshine--I know those)? And what would you do to

> increase

> > the levels, aside from using dairy products (I can't), or

getting

> out

> > in the sunshine more (I'm trying). Other ideas? Cautions,

> comments, or

> > ideas about using supplements?

> >

> > Next question--what can I use to top a baked potato, besides the

> > obvious (butter and sour cream, etc.)? Must be vegan. Simple

> ideas,

> > anyone? I think topped baked potatoes would make a great dinner,

> but

> > I'm not quite sure what to put on them. Thanks! Marilyn

> >

>

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Danielle,

 

I love when these topics come up because it motivates me to go back

and refresh my memory about what I read or heard.

 

Your memory of the China Study is correct about consumption of

animal protein being linked to increases in bone fractures, because

animal protein is acidic and the body compensates by pulling calcium

from bones, which weakens them. Numeous studies are cited

indicating that the more plant protein is consumed instead of animal

protein, fewer broken bones and less bone loss occurs.

 

Campbell explains how Vitamin D regulates calcium absorption, and

how excessive calcium intake over a long period of time can

interfere with this regulatory mechanism.

 

Campbell emphasizes a whole foods plant-based diet, and so he

recommends we get our calcium from various plant foods like beans

and leafy vegetables. He also recommends staying physically active

and keeping salt intake to a minimum.

 

If you get to the point where you are doing all those things, then

maybe just make sure you are getting enough sunshine, and if not,

take a daily vitamin D2 supplement.

 

Personally, on my way from vegetarian to vegan I replaced the

standard supermarket dairy-based calcium products like milk and

yogurt with soy milk and soy yogurt, which have an equivalent amount

of calcium, vitamin D, and protein, but without the acidic animal

protein.

 

Remember that Campbell links animal protein, particulary from dairy,

to just about every other health problem you can imagine, so there

are lots of incentives to switch.

 

- Alan

 

 

, " mylameoww " <mylameoww wrote:

>

> Alan, Thanks for this Vitamin D info, I am going to look for this

> book. My Vit D is very low, and I eat dairy and take extra

> calcium. I wonder what is says about calcium requirements since I

> was reccomended to take extra calcium as I think a lot of women

> are. Now that I think about it, I think I read that dairy

products

> inhibit calcium absoprtion also due to the protein?? I supose I

> should try again to stop the dairy products! ~Danielle

>

> , " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Marilyn,

> >

> > T. Colin Campbell's book, the China Study, has some very good

info

> > on Vitamin D. It explains how the vitamin D that you receive

from

> > sunshine or food is turned into the active or " supercharged "

> vitamin

> > D that the body actually uses. So it's important not to supress

> the

> > production of the supercharged vitamin D. Two things that

> suppress

> > it are animal protein (eggs, dairy, flesh) and excessive

calcium.

> > Refer to the book for all the details.

> >

> > This would suggest that we should do well on a plant-based diet

> and

> > the right amount of sunshine (or Vitamin D2 supplement).

> >

> > Aside, you mentioned that people can get vitamin D from dairy

> > products, which is true, but it is not naturallly occurring.

Cow

> > milk (the basis of dairy products) and soy milk both have

vitamin

> D

> > because they are fortified.

> >

> > I hope you'll let us know what changes you make and the results -

 

> > hopefully good!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Alan

> >

> >

> > , " sahmomof8 " <sahmomof8@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > I just heard back from Dr. Fuhrman (he wrote " Eat to Live " ),

who

> > dh and

> > > I went to see a couple of weeks ago. He got the results of my

> > bloodwork

> > > back. He said I was very anemic, and that my vitamin D level

> > > was " dangerously low " . It's no wonder I have been basically

non-

> > > functional for so long! I blamed it all on being pretty

> overweight

> > > (which was one reason we went to see him in the first place),

> but

> > now I

> > > know that really isn't the whole picture, by any means.

> > >

> > > Dr. Fuhrman put me on supplements, but I have a question for

you

> > guys,

> > > which I didn't think to ask him. I still may e-mail him, but

I'd

> > like

> > > some " mommy feedback " , too. :) Does anyone know what might

cause

> > such

> > > low levels of iron and vitamin D in the body (besides monthly

> > cycles

> > > and lack of sunshine--I know those)? And what would you do to

> > increase

> > > the levels, aside from using dairy products (I can't), or

> getting

> > out

> > > in the sunshine more (I'm trying). Other ideas? Cautions,

> > comments, or

> > > ideas about using supplements?

> > >

> > > Next question--what can I use to top a baked potato, besides

the

> > > obvious (butter and sour cream, etc.)? Must be vegan. Simple

> > ideas,

> > > anyone? I think topped baked potatoes would make a great

dinner,

> > but

> > > I'm not quite sure what to put on them. Thanks! Marilyn

> > >

> >

>

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Thanks Alan, I am reading the China Study right now, and I think it

is really encouraging me to give up dairy! Its really scary how the

dairy protein is linked to so many things, I didn't realize. One of

the problems I think with my Vit D so low was moving from CA to

Northern WA state where the sun is very lacking. and I think of

when we moved here I heard MS was very prevelent in this area, and

I wondeered why, well there is a link to this in the study about the

lack of vit D from the sun leading to autoimmune diseases. Its very

compelling info. Thanks! ~Danielle

 

, " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte

wrote:

>

> Danielle,

>

> I love when these topics come up because it motivates me to go

back

> and refresh my memory about what I read or heard.

>

> Your memory of the China Study is correct about consumption of

> animal protein being linked to increases in bone fractures,

because

> animal protein is acidic and the body compensates by pulling

calcium

> from bones, which weakens them. Numeous studies are cited

> indicating that the more plant protein is consumed instead of

animal

> protein, fewer broken bones and less bone loss occurs.

>

> Campbell explains how Vitamin D regulates calcium absorption, and

> how excessive calcium intake over a long period of time can

> interfere with this regulatory mechanism.

>

> Campbell emphasizes a whole foods plant-based diet, and so he

> recommends we get our calcium from various plant foods like beans

> and leafy vegetables. He also recommends staying physically

active

> and keeping salt intake to a minimum.

>

> If you get to the point where you are doing all those things, then

> maybe just make sure you are getting enough sunshine, and if not,

> take a daily vitamin D2 supplement.

>

> Personally, on my way from vegetarian to vegan I replaced the

> standard supermarket dairy-based calcium products like milk and

> yogurt with soy milk and soy yogurt, which have an equivalent

amount

> of calcium, vitamin D, and protein, but without the acidic animal

> protein.

>

> Remember that Campbell links animal protein, particulary from

dairy,

> to just about every other health problem you can imagine, so there

> are lots of incentives to switch.

>

> - Alan

>

>

> , " mylameoww " <mylameoww@> wrote:

> >

> > Alan, Thanks for this Vitamin D info, I am going to look for

this

> > book. My Vit D is very low, and I eat dairy and take extra

> > calcium. I wonder what is says about calcium requirements since

I

> > was reccomended to take extra calcium as I think a lot of women

> > are. Now that I think about it, I think I read that dairy

> products

> > inhibit calcium absoprtion also due to the protein?? I supose I

> > should try again to stop the dairy products! ~Danielle

> >

> > , " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Marilyn,

> > >

> > > T. Colin Campbell's book, the China Study, has some very good

> info

> > > on Vitamin D. It explains how the vitamin D that you receive

> from

> > > sunshine or food is turned into the active or " supercharged "

> > vitamin

> > > D that the body actually uses. So it's important not to

supress

> > the

> > > production of the supercharged vitamin D. Two things that

> > suppress

> > > it are animal protein (eggs, dairy, flesh) and excessive

> calcium.

> > > Refer to the book for all the details.

> > >

> > > This would suggest that we should do well on a plant-based

diet

> > and

> > > the right amount of sunshine (or Vitamin D2 supplement).

> > >

> > > Aside, you mentioned that people can get vitamin D from dairy

> > > products, which is true, but it is not naturallly occurring.

> Cow

> > > milk (the basis of dairy products) and soy milk both have

> vitamin

> > D

> > > because they are fortified.

> > >

> > > I hope you'll let us know what changes you make and the

results -

>

> > > hopefully good!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Alan

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sahmomof8 " <sahmomof8@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I just heard back from Dr. Fuhrman (he wrote " Eat to Live " ),

> who

> > > dh and

> > > > I went to see a couple of weeks ago. He got the results of

my

> > > bloodwork

> > > > back. He said I was very anemic, and that my vitamin D level

> > > > was " dangerously low " . It's no wonder I have been basically

> non-

> > > > functional for so long! I blamed it all on being pretty

> > overweight

> > > > (which was one reason we went to see him in the first

place),

> > but

> > > now I

> > > > know that really isn't the whole picture, by any means.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Fuhrman put me on supplements, but I have a question for

> you

> > > guys,

> > > > which I didn't think to ask him. I still may e-mail him, but

> I'd

> > > like

> > > > some " mommy feedback " , too. :) Does anyone know what might

> cause

> > > such

> > > > low levels of iron and vitamin D in the body (besides

monthly

> > > cycles

> > > > and lack of sunshine--I know those)? And what would you do

to

> > > increase

> > > > the levels, aside from using dairy products (I can't), or

> > getting

> > > out

> > > > in the sunshine more (I'm trying). Other ideas? Cautions,

> > > comments, or

> > > > ideas about using supplements?

> > > >

> > > > Next question--what can I use to top a baked potato, besides

> the

> > > > obvious (butter and sour cream, etc.)? Must be vegan. Simple

> > > ideas,

> > > > anyone? I think topped baked potatoes would make a great

> dinner,

> > > but

> > > > I'm not quite sure what to put on them. Thanks! Marilyn

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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