Humane myths

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The Vegetarian Resource Group ran some articles in Vegetarian Journal

recently that talk about all this. For example, concerning eggs see:

http://www.vrg.org/journal/vj2007issue2/vj2007issue2eggs.pdf

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*SIGH* I don't know if I should say thank you or not, Debra! I am SO unhappy

about the treatment of those poor chickens! Yet eggs (and occasionally

chicken--although we don't all eat it) are one of the few things we seem unable

to

let go of here! When *I* say " humane " , I mean just that. Why aren't

companies TRULY treating their animals humanely? Of course, male chicks would

still

not be treated alright, and that's a whole other part of this. I really wish

we were all born vegan, so we wouldn't have to make this difficult transition

later in life. UGH. Marilyn

 

 

 

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Let's get real.  Our society can't treat people humanely.  

 

--- On Fri, 7/18/08, sahmomof8 <sahmomof8 wrote:

 

sahmomof8 <sahmomof8

Re: Humane myths

 

Friday, July 18, 2008, 12:16 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

*SIGH* I don't know if I should say thank you or not, Debra! I am SO unhappy

about the treatment of those poor chickens! Yet eggs (and occasionally

chicken--although we don't all eat it) are one of the few things we seem unable

to

let go of here! When *I* say " humane " , I mean just that. Why aren't

companies TRULY treating their animals humanely? Of course, male chicks would

still

not be treated alright, and that's a whole other part of this. I really wish

we were all born vegan, so we wouldn't have to make this difficult transition

later in life. UGH. Marilyn

 

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>> I really wish we were all born vegan, so we wouldn't have to make

this difficult transition later in life.

 

It may be encouraging to consider the fact that we ARE all born

vegan babies, wanting only to nurse from our mothers, where that is

possible. But before long, well meaning parents and an array of

self-serving and/or misguided businesses and institutions habituate

the consumption of animals.

 

It interests me that some find breaking the meat habit difficult,

while others find it relatively easy. We can all think of reasons

why this may be, but some sound, statistically significant research

would be beneficial in pointing to behaviors, situations,

approaches, etc. that are conducive to attaining the goal. Even a

simple survey would be helpful, e.g., asking people who became vegan

after childhood to indicate whether it was easy or difficult, and

then to check boxes for critical success factors such as " supportive

spouse " , " disposable income " , " access to packaged vegan products " ,

etc. Then we could see which factors correlate most strongly with

having an easy transition, and people on the journey could set about

addressing those factors.

 

Maybe a group with ample resources and contacts like VRG, PETA, etc.

will find time to conduct such a survey.

 

- Alan

 

, sahmomof8 wrote:

>

> *SIGH* I don't know if I should say thank you or not, Debra! I am

SO unhappy

> about the treatment of those poor chickens! Yet eggs (and

occasionally

> chicken--although we don't all eat it) are one of the few things

we seem unable to

> let go of here! When *I* say " humane " , I mean just that. Why

aren't

> companies TRULY treating their animals humanely? Of course, male

chicks would still

> not be treated alright, and that's a whole other part of this. I

really wish

> we were all born vegan, so we wouldn't have to make this

difficult transition

> later in life. UGH. Marilyn

>

>

>

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for

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, sahmomof8 wrote:

<Why aren't companies TRULY treating their animals humanely?

 

Marilyn, that's the problem, there really isn't anyway to treat an

animal humanely.

 

Donald Watson, founder of the Vegan Society and the individual who

coined the word " VEGAN " , had this to say about the free-roaming

animals on his uncle George's farm: " the idyllic scene was nothing

more than Death Row, where every creature's days were numbered by the

point at which it was no longer of service to human beings. "

 

It's interesting how many organizations are trying to change factory

farms into " Old McDonald's Farm " but yet that was the exact type of

farm that Donald Watson was appalled by.

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Marilyn, that's the problem, there really isn't anyway to treat an

animal humanely

 

You know, I knew that. On some level, I totally understood that there was

simply NOTHING " humane " about keeping an animal captive and then killing it. It

probably comes down to trying to wean off of animal products, after 50 years

of consuming them, and trying hard to do BETTER while not yet all the way

" there " . It's a process. Marilyn

 

 

 

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