Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Does anyone know of a good vitamin for toddlers? I have a 3 year old and we've been using liquid Animal Parade Baby Plex vitamins in his morning oatmeal for years. I've tried to switch him to a chewable but he just gags and can't stand the taste. First - any ideas on getting him to do a chewable...and second - What brand of chewable do you recommend? Of course I would like it to be vegan and not have any additives/preservatives. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 For the longest time my daughter (almost age four) would not take a daily vitamin. She refused no matter what. Then when my son turned one I started giving him a daily vitamin. All of sudden it became appealing to her! She then wanted it and ever since then they both get a daily vitamin. They take it with no problems and never gag or complain about the taste. I used to buy Michael's Naturopathic one's. They used to be animal shaped. Then the company changed it to a simple round shape, no animal shape. My kids refused to eat them at that point. I contacted the company about the change and they said it was part of the vegetarian mission of the company - not have veggie kids eating " bear " vitamins. I understand, but nonetheless my kids would no longer eat them. I went to the health store and inquired about vegetarian vitamins for kids. The woman gave me some dinosaur ones and I gave them to them for a while. However, I was never comfortable about it because nowhere on the bottle did it say it was vegetarian. I also researched online and never found it saying it was vegetarian. So then I switched to some bear vitamins that are like sour gummy bears. The kids love them, but I don't. They are supposed to get three per day (that's six per day with two kids) and to me they seem too much like sugar coated candy. So... last week I placed an order for Vegan Kids Multiple by Veglife. They should be here any day now. We'll see how it goes. I don't know what they are shaped like, if they will like them, etc. I'm hoping it works out. They were not outrageous and I like that they are vegan. Jacqueline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 is there a reason you want to change what you're doing? we use the pixie vites from dr. fuhrman and i put them in morning smoothies. , " iluvk5 " <skerns wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good vitamin for toddlers? I have a 3 year old > and we've been using liquid Animal Parade Baby Plex vitamins in his > morning oatmeal for years. I've tried to switch him to a chewable but > he just gags and can't stand the taste. First - any ideas on getting > him to do a chewable...and second - What brand of chewable do you > recommend? Of course I would like it to be vegan and not have any > additives/preservatives. Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 My daughter likes the Rainbow Light Stars. Good luck! Liz iluvk5 <skerns Friday, July 25, 2008 8:21:56 AM vegan vitamins for toddler Does anyone know of a good vitamin for toddlers? I have a 3 year old and we've been using liquid Animal Parade Baby Plex vitamins in his morning oatmeal for years. I've tried to switch him to a chewable but he just gags and can't stand the taste. First - any ideas on getting him to do a chewable...and second - What brand of chewable do you recommend? Of course I would like it to be vegan and not have any additives/preservat ives. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Jacqueline - Please let me know how it goes with the new vitamins! I'm interested to see how your children respond to them. , " Jacqueline Bodnar " <jb wrote: > > > For the longest time my daughter (almost age four) would not take a > daily vitamin. She refused no matter what. Then when my son turned one I > started giving him a daily vitamin. All of sudden it became appealing to > her! She then wanted it and ever since then they both get a daily > vitamin. They take it with no problems and never gag or complain about > the taste. I used to buy Michael's Naturopathic one's. They used to be > animal shaped. Then the company changed it to a simple round shape, no > animal shape. My kids refused to eat them at that point. I contacted the > company about the change and they said it was part of the vegetarian > mission of the company - not have veggie kids eating " bear " vitamins. I > understand, but nonetheless my kids would no longer eat them. > > I went to the health store and inquired about vegetarian vitamins for > kids. The woman gave me some dinosaur ones and I gave them to them for a > while. However, I was never comfortable about it because nowhere on the > bottle did it say it was vegetarian. I also researched online and never > found it saying it was vegetarian. So then I switched to some bear > vitamins that are like sour gummy bears. The kids love them, but I > don't. They are supposed to get three per day (that's six per day with > two kids) and to me they seem too much like sugar coated candy. So... > last week I placed an order for Vegan Kids Multiple by Veglife. They > should be here any day now. We'll see how it goes. I don't know what > they are shaped like, if they will like them, etc. I'm hoping it works > out. They were not outrageous and I like that they are vegan. > > Jacqueline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 My family and I (okay, well my 17 y/o daughter and I are sort of dragging my husband and 6 y/o son) have recently gone completely vegan (+organic -white sugar, flour, rice, pasta or artificial sweeteners). I've been researching here and there and coming around to this for 2/3 years now. I must say though, reading *Skinny Bitch* by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin finally rushed in and put a cap on something I had been inching toward. Anyway, I wanted to post, actually, about tofu and potatoes. My son (six years old) loves his potatoes and eggs in the mornings. (a recipe my husband created). He eats potatoes and eggs or pancakes almost every morning. Well, needless to say, the eggs had to go. Anyway, Ann Gentry of Naturally Delicious (on the Veria channel on Dish Network) does great " eggs " using tofu, tumeric and other spices. My husband tried this and my son didn't even notice the first morning. In fact, he said the " eggs " were good. He was mad when I told him the next day but calmed about it and tells me now, " I'm over the tofu thing. " LOL Actually, I'm not sure why I brought this up??? Oh well, just chattering. SoyPalmtree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I've never been able to master the tofu-as-eggs thing. Would you mind posting your recipe? --- On Mon, 7/28/08, SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree wrote: SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree Re: Re: vegan vitamins for toddler Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:05 PM My family and I (okay, well my 17 y/o daughter and I are sort of dragging my husband and 6 y/o son) have recently gone completely vegan (+organic -white sugar, flour, rice, pasta or artificial sweeteners). I've been researching here and there and coming around to this for 2/3 years now. I must say though, reading *Skinny Bitch* by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin finally rushed in and put a cap on something I had been inching toward. Anyway, I wanted to post, actually, about tofu and potatoes. My son (six years old) loves his potatoes and eggs in the mornings. (a recipe my husband created). He eats potatoes and eggs or pancakes almost every morning. Well, needless to say, the eggs had to go. Anyway, Ann Gentry of Naturally Delicious (on the Veria channel on Dish Network) does great " eggs " using tofu, tumeric and other spices. My husband tried this and my son didn't even notice the first morning. In fact, he said the " eggs " were good. He was mad when I told him the next day but calmed about it and tells me now, " I'm over the tofu thing. " LOL Actually, I'm not sure why I brought this up??? Oh well, just chattering. SoyPalmtree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Happy to. I got it from Naturally Delicious actually. Strange though, they don't list this one on their site. Anyway: First press the tofu. crumble (not too small, like scrambled eggs) salt and pepper to taste add a light sprinkling of tumeric for color (and a little flavor) It won't look like much when you first put it on but really turns yellow as it dries - so just a little. fry tofu in olive olive oil (my husband fries the tofu with potatoes he's already cooked/fried. If you're doing this, no need to add more oil) I often come buy and steal bites from the frying pan and this is very yummy. SoyPalmree On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > I've never been able to master the tofu-as-eggs thing. Would you mind > posting your recipe? > > > > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree<soypalmtree%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree<soypalmtree%40gmail.com> > > > Re: Re: vegan vitamins for toddler > <%40> > Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:05 PM > > > My family and I (okay, well my 17 y/o daughter and I are sort of dragging > my > husband and 6 y/o son) have recently gone completely vegan (+organic -white > sugar, flour, rice, pasta or artificial sweeteners). I've been researching > here and there and coming around to this for 2/3 years now. I must say > though, reading *Skinny Bitch* by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin finally > rushed in and put a cap on something I had been inching toward. Anyway, I > wanted to post, actually, about tofu and potatoes. My son (six years old) > loves his potatoes and eggs in the mornings. (a recipe my husband > created). He eats potatoes and eggs or pancakes almost every morning. > Well, needless to say, the eggs had to go. Anyway, Ann Gentry of Naturally > Delicious (on the Veria channel on Dish Network) does great " eggs " using > tofu, tumeric and other spices. My husband tried this and my son didn't > even notice the first morning. In fact, he said the " eggs " were good. He > was mad when I told him the next day but calmed about it and tells me now, > " I'm over the tofu thing. " LOL Actually, I'm not sure why I brought this > up??? Oh well, just chattering. > SoyPalmtree > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 This is very similar to how I do them too. I like the extra super firm or whatever it's called - holds up well for this kind of a thing. Here is what I do: chop onions, green or red peppers (If I use them) and cut tofu into cubes or small triangles (I don't usually press it, we get super extra hard, and doesn't really need to be pressed) I also cube pre-cooked potatoes I heat the pan, add a little spray of canola oil, fry my onions. Just until they are clean, they will cook more as the other things get added I add tofu, sprinkle with a little bit of turmeric (a little does go a long way). I also (depends on my mood) either sprinkle a little tamari or soy sauce OR I use my Krakow Seasoning (it already has salt in it, so I don't use it if I use this, sometimes I use Adobo seasoning -either the bitter orange or the one wth cumin - again no soy sine these are already salt seasonings). Flip and brown, turn and do the same until both sides are brown. I add my peppers stir a little, and the potatoes last - they only really both need to be heated. Adjust seasoning as needed/if needed. Sometimes instead of peppers (like now since our swiss chard is out of hand) I will chop the leaves and the stems and add the stems when I do the onions and the leaves go last just to barely wilt. Sometimes I do this with spinach, instead. Oh, and we use the same seasonings basically and make what we call 'McGuffins " in the morning - tofu 'eggs' with vegan rella cheese on an english muffin. If we use the sausage seasoning from Penzy's it's like having sausage on it, too. I didn't like the other scramble recipes I found as the flavors were too strong for in the morning, so I left them out and was thrilled. I have also done something similar to 'Toad in a hole' but the tofu doens't stick to the bread, but it still tastes good. I htink i've used it maybe like 'poached eggs' on toast - only it was fried tofu on toast, and was also very good with my spices, rather than the typical tofu scramble recipes. Missie On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree wrote: > Happy to. I got it from Naturally Delicious actually. Strange though, they > don't list this one on their site. Anyway: > > First press the tofu. > crumble (not too small, like scrambled eggs) > salt and pepper to taste > add a light sprinkling of tumeric for color (and a little flavor) It won't > look like much when you first put it on but really turns yellow as it dries > - so just a little. > fry tofu in olive olive oil (my husband fries the tofu with potatoes he's > already cooked/fried. If you're doing this, no need to add more oil) > > I often come buy and steal bites from the frying pan and this is very > yummy. > > SoyPalmree > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > >> I've never been able to master the tofu-as-eggs thing. Would you mind >> posting your recipe? >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/28/08, SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree >> <soypalmtree<soypalmtree%40gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree >> <soypalmtree<soypalmtree%40gmail.com> >> > >> Re: Re: vegan vitamins for toddler >> <%40> >> Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:05 PM >> >> >> My family and I (okay, well my 17 y/o daughter and I are sort of dragging >> my >> husband and 6 y/o son) have recently gone completely vegan (+organic >> -white >> sugar, flour, rice, pasta or artificial sweeteners). I've been researching >> here and there and coming around to this for 2/3 years now. I must say >> though, reading *Skinny Bitch* by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin finally >> rushed in and put a cap on something I had been inching toward. Anyway, I >> wanted to post, actually, about tofu and potatoes. My son (six years old) >> loves his potatoes and eggs in the mornings. (a recipe my husband >> created). He eats potatoes and eggs or pancakes almost every morning. >> Well, needless to say, the eggs had to go. Anyway, Ann Gentry of Naturally >> Delicious (on the Veria channel on Dish Network) does great " eggs " using >> tofu, tumeric and other spices. My husband tried this and my son didn't >> even notice the first morning. In fact, he said the " eggs " were good. He >> was mad when I told him the next day but calmed about it and tells me now, >> " I'm over the tofu thing. " LOL Actually, I'm not sure why I brought this >> up??? Oh well, just chattering. >> SoyPalmtree >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Thank you! Maybe I was just missing the tumeric “I cook with wine; sometimes I even add it to the food.” –W. C. Fields --- On Tue, 7/29/08, SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree wrote: SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree Re: Re: vegan vitamins for toddler Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 10:15 AM Happy to. I got it from Naturally Delicious actually. Strange though, they don't list this one on their site. Anyway: First press the tofu. crumble (not too small, like scrambled eggs) salt and pepper to taste add a light sprinkling of tumeric for color (and a little flavor) It won't look like much when you first put it on but really turns yellow as it dries - so just a little. fry tofu in olive olive oil (my husband fries the tofu with potatoes he's already cooked/fried. If you're doing this, no need to add more oil) I often come buy and steal bites from the frying pan and this is very yummy. SoyPalmree On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM, robin koloms <rkoloms > wrote: > I've never been able to master the tofu-as-eggs thing. Would you mind > posting your recipe? > > > > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree@ gmail.com<soypalmtree% 40gmail.com> > > wrote: > > SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree@ gmail.com<soypalmtree% 40gmail.com> > > > Re: Re: vegan vitamins for toddler > @gro ups.com <% 40. com> > Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:05 PM > > > My family and I (okay, well my 17 y/o daughter and I are sort of dragging > my > husband and 6 y/o son) have recently gone completely vegan (+organic -white > sugar, flour, rice, pasta or artificial sweeteners). I've been researching > here and there and coming around to this for 2/3 years now. I must say > though, reading *Skinny Bitch* by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin finally > rushed in and put a cap on something I had been inching toward. Anyway, I > wanted to post, actually, about tofu and potatoes. My son (six years old) > loves his potatoes and eggs in the mornings. (a recipe my husband > created). He eats potatoes and eggs or pancakes almost every morning. > Well, needless to say, the eggs had to go. Anyway, Ann Gentry of Naturally > Delicious (on the Veria channel on Dish Network) does great " eggs " using > tofu, tumeric and other spices. My husband tried this and my son didn't > even notice the first morning. In fact, he said the " eggs " were good. He > was mad when I told him the next day but calmed about it and tells me now, > " I'm over the tofu thing. " LOL Actually, I'm not sure why I brought this > up??? Oh well, just chattering. > SoyPalmtree > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have to say Ann and her recipes are amazing. I am spoiled because we are about 15 minutes away from her restaurant Real Food Daily- we go there on the weekends sometimes for Sunday brunch- I am posting her brunch menu here for anyone that might want ideas for delicious meals that you can make at home: http://www.realfood.com/Brunch0907.pdf Also, I highly recommend her book http://www.realfood.com/merchandise.htm she has some great meals- although some of these are high in the prep time, it is a great book to have around for delicious vegan meals. Paige _____ On Behalf Of SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree Monday, July 28, 2008 1:06 PM Re: Re: vegan vitamins for toddler My family and I (okay, well my 17 y/o daughter and I are sort of dragging my husband and 6 y/o son) have recently gone completely vegan (+organic -white sugar, flour, rice, pasta or artificial sweeteners). I've been researching here and there and coming around to this for 2/3 years now. I must say though, reading *Skinny Bitch* by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin finally rushed in and put a cap on something I had been inching toward. Anyway, I wanted to post, actually, about tofu and potatoes. My son (six years old) loves his potatoes and eggs in the mornings. (a recipe my husband created). He eats potatoes and eggs or pancakes almost every morning. Well, needless to say, the eggs had to go. Anyway, Ann Gentry of Naturally Delicious (on the Veria channel on Dish Network) does great " eggs " using tofu, tumeric and other spices. My husband tried this and my son didn't even notice the first morning. In fact, he said the " eggs " were good. He was mad when I told him the next day but calmed about it and tells me now, " I'm over the tofu thing. " LOL Actually, I'm not sure why I brought this up??? Oh well, just chattering. SoyPalmtree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 There are a few things to consider: 1. Is it vegan? 2. Are you looking for just a multi-vitamin, or one with mineral supplements? 3. Are you looking for supplemental fluoride? 4. When should you give it to your child? On (2), your child may eat Cheerios, Puffins, or some other cereal for breakfast or for a snack. These puffed cereals (and oatmeal, reportedly) are high in phytates, which is considered an anti-nutrient because they block essential minerals (much of the mineral content added to the cereals is blocked by the cereals themselves, so the labels are misleading to the extent that parents think their children are truly getting the full benefit of those minerals). The extrusion process used to create the cereal uses a high temperature that causes a loss of phytase activity. Phytase is the enzyme in the whole grains that breaks down the phytate. So the phytates remain intact and thus keep the minerals from being absorbed. How effective are the phytates in keeping minerals from being absorbed? Please let me know if you find the answer to that question! Before you run out and get mineral supplements, consider this: Accidental iron overdose is a leading cause of poisoning deaths in children under 6 in the United States. From the FDA, " The iron products involved in the poisonings ranged from nonprescription daily multivitamin/mineral supplements for children to high-potency prescription iron supplements for pregnant women. In some cases, the iron products were left within the child's reach in uncapped or loosely capped containers. In others, the child managed to open the container, even though in some cases it appeared to be in child-resistant packaging. In some cases, a sibling opened the container. The children were poisoned after consuming as few as five to as many as 98 iron-containing tablets. Death occurred from ingesting as little as 200 mg to as much as 5,850 mg of iron. " Skipping to (4), you may wish to give a mineral supplement when the phytates are less prevalent. How long do the phytates keep minerals from being absorbed? Again, please let me know if you find out! Our son eats Cheerios in the morning and we give him his chewable at lunch. Our doctor, like most, has little or no nutritional training and couldn't help us. On (3), our doctor prescribed a multi-vitamin with fluoride because we (thankfully) don't have fluoridated water. One researcher claims that fluoride supplements are unnecessary because kids get too much fluoride from many sources, including toothpaste, and it is unsafe because fluoride accumulation can make bones brittle, joints painful, and it yellows teeth. A biochemist and fluoride expert, Hardy Limeback, who heads Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, claims that the benefits of fluoridation are topical, not systemic, and that swallowed fluoride doesn’t prevent tooth decay. We are considering a topical fluoride treatment for the teeth and skipping the fluoride in the multi-vitamin. I had a conversation with our pediatrician today, and he defaulted to the experts, as will I: Speak to your pharmacist about the vitamins and minerals, and speak to your dentist about fluoride. You should also have a conversation with a nutritionist and your pediatrician. Or, you could simply feed them a balanced diet of natural plant food (and no junk), and assume they'll prosper as humans have throughout history... , " iluvk5 " <skerns wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good vitamin for toddlers? I have a 3 year old > and we've been using liquid Animal Parade Baby Plex vitamins in his > morning oatmeal for years. I've tried to switch him to a chewable but > he just gags and can't stand the taste. First - any ideas on getting > him to do a chewable...and second - What brand of chewable do you > recommend? Of course I would like it to be vegan and not have any > additives/preservatives. Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Our dentist insists that topical flouride is the only useful form. --- On Wed, 7/30/08, ny.vegan <usvegan wrote: ny.vegan <usvegan Re: vegan vitamins for toddler Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 10:12 PM There are a few things to consider: 1. Is it vegan? 2. Are you looking for just a multi-vitamin, or one with mineral supplements? 3. Are you looking for supplemental fluoride? 4. When should you give it to your child? On (2), your child may eat Cheerios, Puffins, or some other cereal for breakfast or for a snack. These puffed cereals (and oatmeal, reportedly) are high in phytates, which is considered an anti-nutrient because they block essential minerals (much of the mineral content added to the cereals is blocked by the cereals themselves, so the labels are misleading to the extent that parents think their children are truly getting the full benefit of those minerals). The extrusion process used to create the cereal uses a high temperature that causes a loss of phytase activity. Phytase is the enzyme in the whole grains that breaks down the phytate. So the phytates remain intact and thus keep the minerals from being absorbed. How effective are the phytates in keeping minerals from being absorbed? Please let me know if you find the answer to that question! Before you run out and get mineral supplements, consider this: Accidental iron overdose is a leading cause of poisoning deaths in children under 6 in the United States. From the FDA, " The iron products involved in the poisonings ranged from nonprescription daily multivitamin/ mineral supplements for children to high-potency prescription iron supplements for pregnant women. In some cases, the iron products were left within the child's reach in uncapped or loosely capped containers. In others, the child managed to open the container, even though in some cases it appeared to be in child-resistant packaging. In some cases, a sibling opened the container. The children were poisoned after consuming as few as five to as many as 98 iron-containing tablets. Death occurred from ingesting as little as 200 mg to as much as 5,850 mg of iron. " Skipping to (4), you may wish to give a mineral supplement when the phytates are less prevalent. How long do the phytates keep minerals from being absorbed? Again, please let me know if you find out! Our son eats Cheerios in the morning and we give him his chewable at lunch. Our doctor, like most, has little or no nutritional training and couldn't help us. On (3), our doctor prescribed a multi-vitamin with fluoride because we (thankfully) don't have fluoridated water. One researcher claims that fluoride supplements are unnecessary because kids get too much fluoride from many sources, including toothpaste, and it is unsafe because fluoride accumulation can make bones brittle, joints painful, and it yellows teeth. A biochemist and fluoride expert, Hardy Limeback, who heads Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, claims that the benefits of fluoridation are topical, not systemic, and that swallowed fluoride doesn’t prevent tooth decay. We are considering a topical fluoride treatment for the teeth and skipping the fluoride in the multi-vitamin. I had a conversation with our pediatrician today, and he defaulted to the experts, as will I: Speak to your pharmacist about the vitamins and minerals, and speak to your dentist about fluoride. You should also have a conversation with a nutritionist and your pediatrician. Or, you could simply feed them a balanced diet of natural plant food (and no junk), and assume they'll prosper as humans have throughout history... @gro ups.com, " iluvk5 " <skerns wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good vitamin for toddlers? I have a 3 year old > and we've been using liquid Animal Parade Baby Plex vitamins in his > morning oatmeal for years. I've tried to switch him to a chewable but > he just gags and can't stand the taste. First - any ideas on getting > him to do a chewable...and second - What brand of chewable do you > recommend? Of course I would like it to be vegan and not have any > additives/preservat ives. Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 While dentists may (or may not) have a financial incentive to say such things, they also have an obligation to not cause harm, and that view of topical fluoride matches what Dr. Limeback, formerly a promoter of fluorinated water, says. Some other claims: Fluoridation in water saves, at most, less than one tooth surface out of 128 in a child's mouth; The chemical most used in fluoridated water is not pharmaceutical grade (which would no doubt be prohibitively expensive), but an industrial waste product, hexafluorosilicic acid, which the US EPA admits has never been safety tested. The practice of fluorinating water is unethical: municipalities are providing medication without their " patients' " informed consent; its (questionable) health benefits seem to be much less weighty than the toll it extracts on bones, joints and teeth (excessive fluoride leads to fluorosis, or fluoride-discolored teeth), and the poor cannot afford to avoid it, if they so desire. For others who haven't discussed it with your child's dentist, and esp. if your child is taking vitamins with added fluoride, I suggest you do talk it over. It is all the more important if your water supply is fluorinated. Then think about getting the fluoride out of the water. , robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > Our dentist insists that topical flouride is the only useful form. > > --- On Wed, 7/30/08, ny.vegan <usvegan wrote: > > ny.vegan <usvegan > Re: vegan vitamins for toddler > > Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 10:12 PM There are a few things to consider: > 1. Is it vegan? > 2. Are you looking for just a multi-vitamin, or one with mineral > supplements? > 3. Are you looking for supplemental fluoride? > 4. When should you give it to your child? > > On (2), your child may eat Cheerios, Puffins, or some other cereal for > breakfast or for a snack. These puffed cereals (and oatmeal, > reportedly) are high in phytates, which is considered an anti-nutrient > because they block essential minerals (much of the mineral content > added to the cereals is blocked by the cereals themselves, so the > labels are misleading to the extent that parents think their children > are truly getting the full benefit of those minerals). The extrusion > process used to create the cereal uses a high temperature that causes > a loss of phytase activity. Phytase is the enzyme in the whole grains > that breaks down the phytate. So the phytates remain intact and thus > keep the minerals from being absorbed. How effective are the phytates > in keeping minerals from being absorbed? Please let me know if you > find the answer to that question! > > Before you run out and get mineral supplements, consider this: > Accidental iron overdose is a leading cause of poisoning deaths in > children under 6 in the United States. From the FDA, > > " The iron products involved in the poisonings ranged from > nonprescription daily multivitamin/ mineral supplements for children to > high-potency prescription iron supplements for pregnant women. In some > cases, the iron products were left within the child's reach in > uncapped or loosely capped containers. In others, the child managed to > open the container, even though in some cases it appeared to be in > child-resistant packaging. In some cases, a sibling opened the container. > > The children were poisoned after consuming as few as five to as many > as 98 iron-containing tablets. Death occurred from ingesting as little > as 200 mg to as much as 5,850 mg of iron. " > > Skipping to (4), you may wish to give a mineral supplement when the > phytates are less prevalent. How long do the phytates keep minerals > from being absorbed? Again, please let me know if you find out! Our > son eats Cheerios in the morning and we give him his chewable at > lunch. Our doctor, like most, has little or no nutritional training > and couldn't help us. > > On (3), our doctor prescribed a multi-vitamin with fluoride because we > (thankfully) don't have fluoridated water. One researcher claims that > fluoride supplements are unnecessary because kids get too much > fluoride from many sources, including toothpaste, and it is unsafe > because fluoride accumulation can make bones brittle, joints painful, > and it yellows teeth. A biochemist and fluoride expert, Hardy > Limeback, who heads Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, > claims that the benefits of fluoridation are topical, not systemic, > and that swallowed fluoride doesn’t prevent tooth decay. We are > considering a topical fluoride treatment for the teeth and skipping > the fluoride in the multi-vitamin. > > I had a conversation with our pediatrician today, and he defaulted to > the experts, as will I: > Speak to your pharmacist about the vitamins and minerals, and speak to > your dentist about fluoride. You should also have a conversation with > a nutritionist and your pediatrician. Or, you could simply feed them > a balanced diet of natural plant food (and no junk), and assume > they'll prosper as humans have throughout history... > > @gro ups.com, " iluvk5 " <skerns@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a good vitamin for toddlers? I have a 3 year old > > and we've been using liquid Animal Parade Baby Plex vitamins in his > > morning oatmeal for years. I've tried to switch him to a chewable but > > he just gags and can't stand the taste. First - any ideas on getting > > him to do a chewable...and second - What brand of chewable do you > > recommend? Of course I would like it to be vegan and not have any > > additives/preservat ives. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I've been doing some research on flouride, both as a supplement (as was recommended by our dentist and pediatrician) and in our water. I found a useful website that seems well-researched and very thorough:theflouridedebate.com. Scary stuff. , " iluvk5 " <skerns wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good vitamin for toddlers? I have a 3 year old > and we've been using liquid Animal Parade Baby Plex vitamins in his > morning oatmeal for years. I've tried to switch him to a chewable but > he just gags and can't stand the taste. First - any ideas on getting > him to do a chewable...and second - What brand of chewable do you > recommend? Of course I would like it to be vegan and not have any > additives/preservatives. Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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