ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

August 19, 2008

When I say that I would eat something I am talking about something that had no

meat or cheese and was obviously thought through by the party in charge of

preparation. If my co-worker used soy margarine thinking it was vegan because

they don't know what all the animal products names are I would certainly applaud

their efforts. If I said " oh, I know you went out of your way to assure I had

something to eat but I won't eat it because I don't know what brand of margarine

you used or if the sugar or yeast is cruelty free then that would definatly

discourage them from trying again because for a non- vegan who doesn't share you

veiw its a lot of work and then to feel un appreciated in their effort, well I

do view that as food snobs. The point is to save animals. If that means I am not

100% pure all of the time but it causes someone else to be 90% pure when they

didn't care before then yes I think thats worth it. The world has gone on the

way it is for years and

the reason I don't eat meat (me personally) is purly for the factory farming

issue. So helping others see that you don't have to seclude yourself from the

genral public and can still relate to others helps this cause.

robin koloms <rkoloms

Monday, August 18, 2008 11:14:48 AM

Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

We have close friends who are Orthodox Jews and strictly kosher. His family

refuses to accomodate them in any way. Never a kosher cupcake for the kids at a

cousin's birthday. They recently attended a 50th wedding anniversary party for

his aunt and uncle at a fancyschmancy country club. There was nothing for them

to eat during the three hour event. I can't understand why they keep attending

these events when they are treated with such utter disrespect.

--- On Sun, 8/17/08, ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>

Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

@gro ups.com

Sunday, August 17, 2008, 10:40 PM

Wow. You're right: it is just like a religion. Would you tell someone who was

Jewish or Muslim that they were being snobs for not eating pork?

If someone offered you brownies mixed with an illegal drug, would that

be OK? I mean, you wouldn't want them to think you were " too good " for

them, right?

I find that considerate folks get very upset and remorseful if I become

sick because they inadvertently fed me something. I can't imagine what

they'd think if I became sick because I *knew* they were feeding me

something that would make me sick and yet ate it anyway.

You have as much right to occupy space in this world as anyone else. You don't

have to grovel to be treated as an equal human being. If you have heartfelt

beliefs, people who care about about being decent will support you.

Liz

Heather Farlow <farjoy2 >

@gro ups.com

Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:47:59 PM

Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

I am so with you Tanya, if someone is going out of there way to accommodate me I

feel it's rude to snub my nose at them. If you do that then next time they will

more than likely feel that whatever effort they make is never good enough and

also this can make you look like a snob. For me the issue is to save as many

animals as possible by educating the public.l If you turn your nose up when

people make an effort then you have turned them off to the whole idea and maybe

even others around who observe. It's the same as religion, if you come off as if

you are perfect and do no wrong you become unrelatable and people will just turn

away. I am with you 100%.

August 19, 2008

Sorry but what can happen by eating animal products?. Ive been looking for

research on the effects of meat and all I find is stuff on fat. My husband is

still a meat eater and I am constantly asked this question> I would love some

information.

SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree

Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:07:07 AM

Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

I think it's very kind, you're being grateful and encouraging when people

try to accommodate your vegan diet. But, I would be concerned about

actually taking animal products into my body. I'm a vegan. I don't do eat

animal products. This also sends a message. Please know I say this with

respect for you and your decisions and not to be confrontational or

critical. Just discussing.

SoyPalmtree

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Tanya <tcomer5 > wrote:

> Sorry, folks. I'm behind so I just read this...

>

> I kind of have a policy on things like this. Maybe it makes me a

> level two vegan instead of a level five, but if people are trying

> very hard to be accommodating and miss the mark just a bit I eat it

> anyway and just let them know in a kind way for next time. Like

> yesterday my boss ordered pizza for the office and was kind enough to

> order a half of one without cheese and with veggies. She didn't

> realize the crust wasn't vegan. So I ate it anyway with a smile, but

> let her know later. And one time my mom got us veggie chicken

> nuggets. She didn't realize they had eggs in them. I just

> appreciate so much people actually trying... and I don't want to turn

> them off from trying again. And I get to be the nice guy but also

> educate them a little too. Dunno. Food for thought...

>

> @gro ups.com <% 40. com>, " iluvk5 "

> <skerns wrote:

> >

> > You are so not alone!!! We just finished up a week of evening camp

> at

> > our church and it was unbelievable how closely I had to watch our 3

> > year old when the other kids were eating. He's at an age where he

> > doesn't know how to discern what's vegan or not so either Dad or I

> > have to have our eyes on him constantly when food is being served.

> > The people at our church treat him like their own because he's the

> > only toddler/baby there. So if he sees something on their plate

> that

> > he wants to try, they love taking care of him, so they would feed

> him

> > whatever he asked for...if we let them! There was a meal and snack

> > served each night and the only thing we/he could eat was spaghetti

> > with pasta sauce and some pretzels. The " snacks " cracked me up

> > because they were not at all vegan. The ladies serving snacks tried

> > every night to serve my son and even made him a special plate.

> Every

> > night I had to politely decline and they would expect an

> explanation.

> > One night a lady made homemade gummies (like jello jigglers). She

> > made my son a special cup of them with his favorite sea shapes (she

> > had starfish and seahorse gummies). I told her he couldn't have

> them

> > and she said, " But they're sugar-free! " Like that was supposed to

> > make it better! She then asked why he couldn't have them and I just

> > politely replied that we don't feed him artificial colors (not to

> > mention the gelatin in them and the fact they were animal shaped!).

> > She just couldn't understand why. And let's not even get started on

> > the grandparents who think one little bite is not a big

> deal...that' s

> > another issue for another day! It was quite an interesting week.

> > Anyway, just wanted to sympathize with you. I understand your

> > ranting. It's good to know you're not alone!

> > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

> sahmomof8@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I am so glad all three of my girls can go to the special needs day

> > camp this

> > > year. But why, oh WHY do they feed my kids such CRAP? I often

> feel I

> > am the

> > > only parent in the universe that would never even THINK about

> buying

> > > artificially colored, flavored, and sweetened ices and ice cream

> for

> > my kids. This is

> > > the second time Anna (13) has come home completely wired to the

> gills,

> > > bouncing off the walls. And it's the second time they've had these

> > frozen

> > > " treats " . Coincidence? I think not. UGH.

> > >

> > > I have yet to find a camp, school, church, amusement park, or

> > anyplace else

> > > that deals with children that doesn't have any of this total

> JUNK. I

> > am so

> > > disgusted. Marilyn

> > >

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August 19, 2008

Try " Diet for a New America', by John Robbins (heir to the Baskin Robbins

throne, which he declined). Chock full of all kinds of statistics re:cancer,

osteoporosis (ever wondered why we are one of the highest dairy-consumption

countries in the world, but also one with the highest osteoporosis? And in

countries where there's almost no dairy consumed, NO osteoporosis?), the list

goes on...This book is seen as depressing by some (which I can understand, as it

discusses and shows what factory farming is really all about), but it is also

extremely complete in that it attacks animal-product consumption form all

possible angles- animal rights, nutrition, etc. It is also very well-researched

in that most of the info in it somes from primary sources- medical journals,

etc. It's not from sources that the more uh, skeptical, 'meatarians' will

discount as being vegetarian propaganda- not that I don't love that, too.

I've also seen 'The China Study' mentioned on this board. Can't give specifics,

haven't read it, but plan to. I'm sure someone else will chime in and give a

synopsis.

ps if you google the author or title of book above, i'm sure you'll come up with

his organization (planetsave? or something like that), which would probably be a

great on-line source of info if you lack the time etc. to delve into the book.

Lebasi <lebasi.klotko

Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:10:33 PM

Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

Sorry but what can happen by eating animal products?. Ive been looking for

research on the effects of meat and all I find is stuff on fat. My husband is

still a meat eater and I am constantly asked this question> I would love some

information.

SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree@ gmail.com>