Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Holli--I am struggling with something similar here, as my little one can't tolerate soy or most nuts. I have temporarily (at least I hope it's temporary) allowed her to have chicken, turkey, and eggs. I know for myself, if I eat beef, I pay for it with GI problems. Eggs too, because I don't usually eat either of these. Many kids have been raised on even more restrictive diets than ours--I have to keep reminding myself of that. I also need to remember that fruits and veggies, along with beans and some grains, contain everything my child needs to grow and develop (if there's anything I've left out, forgive me for forgetting). She is healthy, bright, active and growing. She drinks organic rice milk and green smoothies made with fruit juice, fresh fruit, flaxseed, and leafy greens. As far as I'm concerned, no matter how much I need to leave out of her diet, my child is a whole lot healthier than those children whose parents add in all sorts of unhealthy " foods " to their children's diets. We aren't the ones poisoning our kids with toxins, unhealthy fats, and enzyme deficient " plastic " excuses for real food! Marilyn **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Holli, I do know some people who started eating meat after being veg. They battled same issues. Lasted several months for some, and others went back to veg. Now, you can clear your son's allergies and be able to get back to being veg. The system is called NAET. Natural allergy elimination system. There are practitioners all over the country. Many are acupuncturists, some are not. If you are interested in learning more, please feel free to email me directly. It has worked for many clients of mine and friends with severe food allergies. Laura **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hi Holli, I am so sorry for what you and your family are going through. Your bodies do not have the enzyme to process the meat, so it is making you ill. Alternatively, I would think that brown rice, beans, whole grain pastas, quinoa, etc. would provide you with the protein that you need. I strongly recommend finding finding a veg-friendly nutritionist to work with. Robin --- On Sat, 8/2/08, fierce_mink_2000 <fierce_mink_2000 wrote: fierce_mink_2000 <fierce_mink_2000 new, please help Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:58 AM Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was raising my son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food allergies pretty much his whole life. We were coping pretty well with the food allergy veg. thing until his most recent crop of allergies were confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat, soy, egg, dairy, peanuts and treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely remain a vegetarian with those restrictions. So here's the problem. I started trialling various meats (with food allergies, you do one new thing a week to give you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's reaction) about three weeks ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh, for the most part (he was always omni). Ds and I this week have been having some serious gi issues. My first thought is allergies, but since it's both of us, probably not. My next thought was virus, but neither of us feels particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a fever. So I'm wondering if it's because of the meat. Do any of you know any veggies who started eating meat? Did they get sick? If so, did they get over it? Ds needs some kind of nutrition, and I'm starting to feel a little desperate here. I'm calling his dr in the morning, but I want some veggie input. Thanks, Holli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 hi- yes, you will get sick because your body does not produce the enzymes necessary to process meat. my understanding is that your body will eventually kick in and start producing those enzymes- but i don't personally know how long that would take. my DH, who goes for long stretches without eating meat, but isn't a veggie, often gets sick when he eats it. for him, it doesn't seem to take long before he doesn't feel sick while on a 'meat kick'.so that might be a good sign! what a tough break- my friend's son is autistic and on a gluten/soy/casein free diet- and it's not easy. i certainly hope you are both feeling better soon! , " fierce_mink_2000 " <fierce_mink_2000 wrote: > > Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was raising my son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food allergies pretty much his whole life. We were coping pretty well with the food allergy veg. thing until his most recent crop of allergies were confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat, soy, egg, dairy, peanuts and treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely remain a vegetarian with those restrictions. So here's the problem. I started trialling various meats (with food allergies, you do one new thing a week to give you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's reaction) about three weeks ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh, for the most part (he was always omni). Ds and I this week have been having some serious gi issues. My first thought is allergies, but since it's both of us, probably not. My next thought was virus, but neither of us feels particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a fever. So I'm wondering if it's because of the meat. Do any of you know any veggies who started eating meat? Did they get sick? If so, did they get over it? Ds needs some kind of nutrition, and I'm starting to feel a little desperate here. I'm calling his dr in the morning, but I want some veggie input. > Thanks, Holli > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hi Holli, Welcome! And I'm so sorry to hear you're going through this! We know a little girl who was recently tested for allergies, after a very serious reaction one day - and it ends up that her allergy list is very similar to your son's. Very challenging for you parents, I'm sure. I've been vegetarian for almost 20 years now, and I know I get a stomach ache if I accidentally eat any meat at all - even a taste of a soup with a meat-based broth, anything. So it could easily be your stomachs responding to a new, very difficult to digest substance. What about seeds, beans, lentils, or split peas for protein rather than the meat? (Maybe split peas are too close to the legume-y peanut to be okay, though? I'm not sure.) But the others might be okay. You could do bean or lentil or pea soups, chili, hummus, bean spreads on toast, refried beans, burritos, tacos, casseroles (our favorite lately is pasta, kidney beans, tomato sauce, herbs and cheese - you can use alternative cheese [i think there's a rice cheese?] or skip it), bean burgers, bean/nut loafs, and in this hot weather, we often eat cold beans, right out of the can for a snack. And for seeds, we put sunflower and pumpkin seeds on salads, sandwiches, baked potatoes, and baked into bread and muffins, and sesame seeds on stir fries, steamed veggies, rice, or just about anything - the mild flavor goes with anything. Best of luck! Hope you're all healthy and happy very soon! Lorraine On Behalf Of fierce_mink_2000 Friday, August 01, 2008 11:58 PM new, please help Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was raising my son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food allergies pretty much his whole life. We were coping pretty well with the food allergy veg. thing until his most recent crop of allergies were confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat, soy, egg, dairy, peanuts and treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely remain a vegetarian with those restrictions. So here's the problem. I started trialling various meats (with food allergies, you do one new thing a week to give you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's reaction) about three weeks ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh, for the most part (he was always omni). Ds and I this week have been having some serious gi issues. My first thought is allergies, but since it's both of us, probably not. My next thought was virus, but neither of us feels particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a fever. So I'm wondering if it's because of the meat. Do any of you know any veggies who started eating meat? Did they get sick? If so, did they get over it? Ds needs some kind of nutrition, and I'm starting to feel a little desperate here. I'm calling his dr in the morning, but I want some veggie input. Thanks, Holli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Hi Holli, If you or your ds haven't had meat in a very long time or in your ds' case - ever - then there will be an adjustment period where you will have GI problems. As I understand it, your body needs to produce a certain enzyme to be able to break down flesh. If your ds has never had meat, his body has never produced it - it isn't something we are born having. Your body probably stopped producing it. Now both your bodies have to go through the process of starting or restarting the production of this enzyme. Meat is also pretty harsh on our systems and takes quite a bit of work on our body's part to digest it, with or without this enzyme. I've known of folks for whom it has taken a short period of time to readjust to eating meat (a month or so) and those for whom it has taken a substantially longer time (a year or so). I think it depends on your body. I don't know of anyone who has never had meat and then started eating it so I can't tell you anything on that one. I'm sure there are others on this list who probably have better information than I do, but that's what I can tell you. Hope it helps even if just a little. God's Peace, Gayle - fierce_mink_2000 Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:58 AM new, please help Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was raising my son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food allergies pretty much his whole life. We were coping pretty well with the food allergy veg. thing until his most recent crop of allergies were confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat, soy, egg, dairy, peanuts and treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely remain a vegetarian with those restrictions. So here's the problem. I started trialling various meats (with food allergies, you do one new thing a week to give you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's reaction) about three weeks ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh, for the most part (he was always omni). Ds and I this week have been having some serious gi issues. My first thought is allergies, but since it's both of us, probably not. My next thought was virus, but neither of us feels particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a fever. So I'm wondering if it's because of the meat. Do any of you know any veggies who started eating meat? Did they get sick? If so, did they get over it? Ds needs some kind of nutrition, and I'm starting to feel a little desperate here. I'm calling his dr in the morning, but I want some veggie input. Thanks, Holli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Interesting point. I thought about bringing this up, but thought it might be a little 'out there'. From an historical hunter/gatherer standpoint, people made do with very little meat or other direct sources of protein (in most environments), and remained quite healthy. The idea of the 'hunter/gatherer' that most of us have- the women staying on the home front, gathering, while the men went out and brought back meat every day, is FAR from accurate. In most societies for a long time, the 'gathering' actually supplied 90% or more of daily calories, while the 'hunting' was a sometime thing. I suppose it's a little off-topic as it relates to today's diets, but really most ancient peoples were more vegetarian than not (with the notable exception of people who lived in Arctic-type environments). The possibility of existing, and even thriving without soy, dairy, meat, etc. is not only possible, but probably quite 'traditional'. Sorry, had to put my two cents in... --- On Sun, 8/3/08, sahmomof8 <sahmomof8 wrote: sahmomof8 <sahmomof8 Re: new, please help Sunday, August 3, 2008, 9:39 AM Holli--I am struggling with something similar here, as my little one can't tolerate soy or most nuts. I have temporarily (at least I hope it's temporary) allowed her to have chicken, turkey, and eggs. I know for myself, if I eat beef, I pay for it with GI problems. Eggs too, because I don't usually eat either of these. Many kids have been raised on even more restrictive diets than ours--I have to keep reminding myself of that. I also need to remember that fruits and veggies, along with beans and some grains, contain everything my child needs to grow and develop (if there's anything I've left out, forgive me for forgetting). She is healthy, bright, active and growing. She drinks organic rice milk and green smoothies made with fruit juice, fresh fruit, flaxseed, and leafy greens. As far as I'm concerned, no matter how much I need to leave out of her diet, my child is a whole lot healthier than those children whose parents add in all sorts of unhealthy " foods " to their children's diets. We aren't the ones poisoning our kids with toxins, unhealthy fats, and enzyme deficient " plastic " excuses for real food! Marilyn ************ **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I thought about bringing this up, but thought it might be a little 'out there'. I don't think there's anything " out there " about mentioning the fact that many people throughout the world, and throughout history, have eaten a much more natural, and much more vegetable/fruit oriented diet than we are used to in our " modern " society. It's simply fact. Meat and dairy, and obviously all processed foods, were not always considered part of the regular diet, by most people. We as a society had simply not remembered that man existed quite well on only what was provided for him through nature. Marilyn **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 " we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc Our teeth, if anyone really cares to check, are NOT the teeth of a carnivore! That argument is completely invalid. The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food anymore, or killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh. I'm with you, Dee! We know better now, regardless of what our ancestors did or did not do. Marilyn **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I know, and that's the argument that so many meat-eaters have tried to use on me through the years, " we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc but I don't think we were " meant " to do anything, we just evolved doing the best we could. The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food anymore, or killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh. :-) Dee - sahmomof8 Monday, August 04, 2008 9:19 AM Re: new, please help I thought about bringing this up, but thought it might be a little 'out there'. I don't think there's anything " out there " about mentioning the fact that many people throughout the world, and throughout history, have eaten a much more natural, and much more vegetable/fruit oriented diet than we are used to in our " modern " society. It's simply fact. Meat and dairy, and obviously all processed foods, were not always considered part of the regular diet, by most people. We as a society had simply not remembered that man existed quite well on only what was provided for him through nature. Marilyn **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I'm a little confused. I think the below comment was aimed at my assertion that traditional diets were made up of up to 90%-and often more- 'gathered' foods, with the rest being 'hunted'. I was in no way advocating for a 90% meat diet, and I was saying quite the opposite. I assumed everyone would understand that 'gathered' foods is referring to vegetable matter- that 90% or more of traditional diets were vegetable matter, and the conventional idea of men going out and bringing back meat every day is not historically accurate. I would be quite an idiot to belong to a vegetarian group, and then advocate for a mostly meat-based diet. At any rate, my point was to question if really a vegetarian couldn't survive a soy/dairy free diet. A nutritionist could answer that- I cannot. I was not making any points about what our ancestors did and whether we should know better. It seems that since we're all here, discussing plant-based diets, that we're all mostly on the same page. Sorry if my comments were confusing to some, I was not intending to inflame. BTW, I echo the below sentiment that we do not have the teeth of carnivores. No sharp canines for ripping flesh, but we do have the flat chewing surfaces on the molars as herbivores do. Also, the length of our intestines points to a vegetable-matter based diet. Most carnivores have intestines in the 5 feet range, while ours are a good 20 feet. , sahmomof8 wrote: > > " we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc > > Our teeth, if anyone really cares to check, are NOT the teeth of a > carnivore! That argument is completely invalid. > > The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food anymore, or > killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh. > > I'm with you, Dee! We know better now, regardless of what our ancestors did > or did not do. Marilyn > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 yeah i got you i was being ironic silly! it's all the meat eaters around me, they say such ridiculous things and many of them would eat a 90% meat diet if they could. well anyway americans eat WAY too much meat. IMHO. :-) dee - jennigarverick Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:22 PM Re: new, please help I'm a little confused. I think the below comment was aimed at my assertion that traditional diets were made up of up to 90%-and often more- 'gathered' foods, with the rest being 'hunted'. I was in no way advocating for a 90% meat diet, and I was saying quite the opposite. I assumed everyone would understand that 'gathered' foods is referring to vegetable matter- that 90% or more of traditional diets were vegetable matter, and the conventional idea of men going out and bringing back meat every day is not historically accurate. I would be quite an idiot to belong to a vegetarian group, and then advocate for a mostly meat-based diet. At any rate, my point was to question if really a vegetarian couldn't survive a soy/dairy free diet. A nutritionist could answer that- I cannot. I was not making any points about what our ancestors did and whether we should know better. It seems that since we're all here, discussing plant-based diets, that we're all mostly on the same page. Sorry if my comments were confusing to some, I was not intending to inflame. BTW, I echo the below sentiment that we do not have the teeth of carnivores. No sharp canines for ripping flesh, but we do have the flat chewing surfaces on the molars as herbivores do. Also, the length of our intestines points to a vegetable-matter based diet. Most carnivores have intestines in the 5 feet range, while ours are a good 20 feet. , sahmomof8 wrote: > > " we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc > > Our teeth, if anyone really cares to check, are NOT the teeth of a > carnivore! That argument is completely invalid. > > The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food anymore, or > killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh. > > I'm with you, Dee! We know better now, regardless of what our ancestors did > or did not do. Marilyn > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Here is a great website about raw foods eating that might help you. http://thegardendiet.com/ I am saying you need to go to a raw foods diet but it might help if you learn more. I love to learn and never want to stop, so please do not take this as an insult. Warmly, Jill M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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