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Holli--I am struggling with something similar here, as my little one can't

tolerate soy or most nuts. I have temporarily (at least I hope it's temporary)

allowed her to have chicken, turkey, and eggs. I know for myself, if I eat

beef, I pay for it with GI problems. Eggs too, because I don't usually eat

either of these.

 

Many kids have been raised on even more restrictive diets than ours--I have

to keep reminding myself of that. I also need to remember that fruits and

veggies, along with beans and some grains, contain everything my child needs to

grow and develop (if there's anything I've left out, forgive me for

forgetting). She is healthy, bright, active and growing. She drinks organic

rice milk

and green smoothies made with fruit juice, fresh fruit, flaxseed, and leafy

greens.

 

As far as I'm concerned, no matter how much I need to leave out of her diet,

my child is a whole lot healthier than those children whose parents add in

all sorts of unhealthy " foods " to their children's diets. We aren't the ones

poisoning our kids with toxins, unhealthy fats, and enzyme deficient " plastic "

excuses for real food! Marilyn

 

 

 

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Holli,

I do know some people who started eating meat after being veg. They battled

same issues. Lasted several months for some, and others went back to veg.

Now, you can clear your son's allergies and be able to get back to being

veg. The system is called NAET. Natural allergy elimination system. There are

practitioners all over the country. Many are acupuncturists, some are not.

If you are interested in learning more, please feel free to email me

directly.

It has worked for many clients of mine and friends with severe food

allergies.

Laura

 

 

 

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Hi Holli,

 

I am so sorry for what you and your family are going through.  Your bodies do

not have the enzyme to process the meat, so it is making you ill. 

 

Alternatively, I would think that brown rice, beans, whole grain pastas, quinoa,

etc. would provide you with the protein that you need.  I strongly recommend

finding finding a veg-friendly nutritionist to work with.

 

Robin

 

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fierce_mink_2000 <fierce_mink_2000

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Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:58 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was raising my

son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food allergies pretty much his

whole life. We were coping pretty well with the food allergy veg. thing until

his most recent crop of allergies were confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat,

soy, egg, dairy, peanuts and treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely

remain a vegetarian with those restrictions. So here's the problem. I started

trialling various meats (with food allergies, you do one new thing a week to

give you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's reaction) about three weeks

ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh, for the most part (he was always omni).

Ds and I this week have been having some serious gi issues. My first thought is

allergies, but since it's both of us, probably not. My next thought was virus,

but neither of us feels particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a fever.

So I'm wondering if

it's because of the meat. Do any of you know any veggies who started eating

meat? Did they get sick? If so, did they get over it? Ds needs some kind of

nutrition, and I'm starting to feel a little desperate here. I'm calling his dr

in the morning, but I want some veggie input.

Thanks, Holli

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hi-

yes, you will get sick because your body does not produce the enzymes

necessary to process meat. my understanding is that your body will

eventually kick in and start producing those enzymes- but i don't

personally know how long that would take. my DH, who goes for long

stretches without eating meat, but isn't a veggie, often gets sick

when he eats it. for him, it doesn't seem to take long before he

doesn't feel sick while on a 'meat kick'.so that might be a good sign!

what a tough break- my friend's son is autistic and on a

gluten/soy/casein free diet- and it's not easy. i certainly hope you

are both feeling better soon!

, " fierce_mink_2000 "

<fierce_mink_2000 wrote:

>

> Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was

raising my son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food

allergies pretty much his whole life. We were coping pretty well

with the food allergy veg. thing until his most recent crop of

allergies were confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat, soy, egg,

dairy, peanuts and treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely

remain a vegetarian with those restrictions. So here's the problem.

I started trialling various meats (with food allergies, you do one

new thing a week to give you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's

reaction) about three weeks ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh,

for the most part (he was always omni). Ds and I this week have been

having some serious gi issues. My first thought is allergies, but

since it's both of us, probably not. My next thought was virus, but

neither of us feels particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a

fever. So I'm wondering if it's because of the meat. Do any of you

know any veggies who started eating meat? Did they get sick? If so,

did they get over it? Ds needs some kind of nutrition, and I'm

starting to feel a little desperate here. I'm calling his dr in the

morning, but I want some veggie input.

> Thanks, Holli

>

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Hi Holli,

Welcome! And I'm so sorry to hear you're going through this! We know a

little girl who was recently tested for allergies, after a very serious

reaction one day - and it ends up that her allergy list is very similar

to your son's. Very challenging for you parents, I'm sure.

 

I've been vegetarian for almost 20 years now, and I know I get a stomach

ache if I accidentally eat any meat at all - even a taste of a soup with

a meat-based broth, anything. So it could easily be your stomachs

responding to a new, very difficult to digest substance. What about

seeds, beans, lentils, or split peas for protein rather than the meat?

(Maybe split peas are too close to the legume-y peanut to be okay,

though? I'm not sure.) But the others might be okay. You could do

bean or lentil or pea soups, chili, hummus, bean spreads on toast,

refried beans, burritos, tacos, casseroles (our favorite lately is

pasta, kidney beans, tomato sauce, herbs and cheese - you can use

alternative cheese [i think there's a rice cheese?] or skip it), bean

burgers, bean/nut loafs, and in this hot weather, we often eat cold

beans, right out of the can for a snack. And for seeds, we put

sunflower and pumpkin seeds on salads, sandwiches, baked potatoes, and

baked into bread and muffins, and sesame seeds on stir fries, steamed

veggies, rice, or just about anything - the mild flavor goes with

anything.

 

Best of luck! Hope you're all healthy and happy very soon!

Lorraine

 

 

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Friday, August 01, 2008 11:58 PM

 

new, please help

 

Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was

raising my son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food

allergies pretty much his whole life. We were coping pretty well with

the food allergy veg. thing until his most recent crop of allergies were

confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat, soy, egg, dairy, peanuts and

treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely remain a vegetarian

with those restrictions. So here's the problem. I started trialling

various meats (with food allergies, you do one new thing a week to give

you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's reaction) about three weeks

ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh, for the most part (he was

always omni). Ds and I this week have been having some serious gi

issues. My first thought is allergies, but since it's both of us,

probably not. My next thought was virus, but neither of us feels

particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a fever. So I'm wondering

if it's because of the meat. Do any of you know any veggies who started

eating meat? Did they get sick? If so, did they get over it? Ds needs

some kind of nutrition, and I'm starting to feel a little desperate

here. I'm calling his dr in the morning, but I want some veggie input.

Thanks, Holli

 

 

 

 

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Hi Holli,

 

If you or your ds haven't had meat in a very long time or in your ds' case -

ever - then there will be an adjustment period where you will have GI problems.

As I understand it, your body needs to produce a certain enzyme to be able to

break down flesh. If your ds has never had meat, his body has never produced it

- it isn't something we are born having. Your body probably stopped producing

it. Now both your bodies have to go through the process of starting or

restarting the production of this enzyme. Meat is also pretty harsh on our

systems and takes quite a bit of work on our body's part to digest it, with or

without this enzyme. I've known of folks for whom it has taken a short period

of time to readjust to eating meat (a month or so) and those for whom it has

taken a substantially longer time (a year or so). I think it depends on your

body. I don't know of anyone who has never had meat and then started eating it

so I can't tell you anything on that one.

 

I'm sure there are others on this list who probably have better information than

I do, but that's what I can tell you. Hope it helps even if just a little.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

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Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:58 AM

new, please help

 

 

Hi, I'm Holli. I've been a vegetarian my whole adult life, and was raising my

son to be vegetarian, too. He's 4.5, and has had food allergies pretty much his

whole life. We were coping pretty well with the food allergy veg. thing until

his most recent crop of allergies were confirmed. He is now allergic to wheat,

soy, egg, dairy, peanuts and treenuts. There's no way he could possibly safely

remain a vegetarian with those restrictions. So here's the problem. I started

trialling various meats (with food allergies, you do one new thing a week to

give you a chance to I.d. the culprit if there's reaction) about three weeks

ago. I am eating what he eats, as is dh, for the most part (he was always omni).

Ds and I this week have been having some serious gi issues. My first thought is

allergies, but since it's both of us, probably not. My next thought was virus,

but neither of us feels particularly ill (aside from our guts) or has a fever.

So I'm wondering if it's because of the meat. Do any of you know any veggies who

started eating meat? Did they get sick? If so, did they get over it? Ds needs

some kind of nutrition, and I'm starting to feel a little desperate here. I'm

calling his dr in the morning, but I want some veggie input.

Thanks, Holli

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Interesting point. I thought about bringing this up, but thought it might be a

little 'out there'. From an historical hunter/gatherer standpoint, people made

do with very little meat or other direct sources of protein (in most

environments), and remained quite healthy. The idea of  the 'hunter/gatherer'

that most of us have- the women staying on the home front, gathering, while the

men went out and brought back meat every day, is FAR from accurate. In most

societies for a long time, the 'gathering' actually supplied 90% or more of

daily calories, while the 'hunting' was a sometime thing. I suppose it's a

little off-topic as it relates to today's diets, but really most ancient peoples

were more vegetarian than not (with the notable exception of people who lived in

Arctic-type environments). The possibility of existing, and even thriving

without soy, dairy, meat, etc. is not only possible, but probably quite

'traditional'. Sorry, had to put my two cents

in...

 

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sahmomof8 <sahmomof8

Re: new, please help

 

Sunday, August 3, 2008, 9:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Holli--I am struggling with something similar here, as my little one can't

tolerate soy or most nuts. I have temporarily (at least I hope it's temporary)

allowed her to have chicken, turkey, and eggs. I know for myself, if I eat

beef, I pay for it with GI problems. Eggs too, because I don't usually eat

either of these.

 

Many kids have been raised on even more restrictive diets than ours--I have

to keep reminding myself of that. I also need to remember that fruits and

veggies, along with beans and some grains, contain everything my child needs to

grow and develop (if there's anything I've left out, forgive me for

forgetting). She is healthy, bright, active and growing. She drinks organic rice

milk

and green smoothies made with fruit juice, fresh fruit, flaxseed, and leafy

greens.

 

As far as I'm concerned, no matter how much I need to leave out of her diet,

my child is a whole lot healthier than those children whose parents add in

all sorts of unhealthy " foods " to their children's diets. We aren't the ones

poisoning our kids with toxins, unhealthy fats, and enzyme deficient " plastic "

excuses for real food! Marilyn

 

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Read reviews on AOL Autos.

(http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050

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I thought about bringing this up, but thought it might be a little 'out

there'.

 

I don't think there's anything " out there " about mentioning the fact that

many people throughout the world, and throughout history, have eaten a much more

natural, and much more vegetable/fruit oriented diet than we are used to in

our " modern " society. It's simply fact. Meat and dairy, and obviously all

processed foods, were not always considered part of the regular diet, by most

people. We as a society had simply not remembered that man existed quite well

on only what was provided for him through nature. Marilyn

 

 

 

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" we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc

 

Our teeth, if anyone really cares to check, are NOT the teeth of a

carnivore! That argument is completely invalid.

 

The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food anymore, or

killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh.

 

I'm with you, Dee! We know better now, regardless of what our ancestors did

or did not do. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

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I know, and that's the argument that so many meat-eaters have tried to use on me

through the years, " we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc but I

don't think we were " meant " to do anything, we just evolved doing the best we

could. The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food anymore, or

killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh.

 

:-)

 

Dee

 

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Monday, August 04, 2008 9:19 AM

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I thought about bringing this up, but thought it might be a little 'out

there'.

 

I don't think there's anything " out there " about mentioning the fact that

many people throughout the world, and throughout history, have eaten a much

more

natural, and much more vegetable/fruit oriented diet than we are used to in

our " modern " society. It's simply fact. Meat and dairy, and obviously all

processed foods, were not always considered part of the regular diet, by most

people. We as a society had simply not remembered that man existed quite well

on only what was provided for him through nature. Marilyn

 

**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?

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I'm a little confused. I think the below comment was aimed at my

assertion that traditional diets were made up of up to 90%-and often

more- 'gathered' foods, with the rest being 'hunted'. I was in no way

advocating for a 90% meat diet, and I was saying quite the opposite.

I assumed everyone would understand that 'gathered' foods is

referring to vegetable matter- that 90% or more of traditional diets

were vegetable matter, and the conventional idea of men going out and

bringing back meat every day is not historically accurate. I would be

quite an idiot to belong to a vegetarian group, and then advocate for

a mostly meat-based diet. At any rate, my point was to question if

really a vegetarian couldn't survive a soy/dairy free diet. A

nutritionist could answer that- I cannot. I was not making any points

about what our ancestors did and whether we should know better. It

seems that since we're all here, discussing plant-based diets, that

we're all mostly on the same page. Sorry if my comments were

confusing to some, I was not intending to inflame.

BTW, I echo the below sentiment that we do not have the teeth of

carnivores. No sharp canines for ripping flesh, but we do have the

flat chewing surfaces on the molars as herbivores do. Also, the

length of our intestines points to a vegetable-matter based diet.

Most carnivores have intestines in the 5 feet range, while ours are a

good 20 feet.

 

, sahmomof8 wrote:

>

> " we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc

>

> Our teeth, if anyone really cares to check, are NOT the teeth of a

> carnivore! That argument is completely invalid.

>

> The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food

anymore, or

> killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh.

>

> I'm with you, Dee! We know better now, regardless of what our

ancestors did

> or did not do. Marilyn

>

>

>

>

> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your

budget?

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> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?

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>

>

>

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yeah i got you

 

i was being ironic silly! it's all the meat eaters around me, they say such

ridiculous things and many of them would eat a 90% meat diet if they could.

well anyway americans eat WAY too much meat. IMHO.

 

:-)

 

dee

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jennigarverick

Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:22 PM

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I'm a little confused. I think the below comment was aimed at my

assertion that traditional diets were made up of up to 90%-and often

more- 'gathered' foods, with the rest being 'hunted'. I was in no way

advocating for a 90% meat diet, and I was saying quite the opposite.

I assumed everyone would understand that 'gathered' foods is

referring to vegetable matter- that 90% or more of traditional diets

were vegetable matter, and the conventional idea of men going out and

bringing back meat every day is not historically accurate. I would be

quite an idiot to belong to a vegetarian group, and then advocate for

a mostly meat-based diet. At any rate, my point was to question if

really a vegetarian couldn't survive a soy/dairy free diet. A

nutritionist could answer that- I cannot. I was not making any points

about what our ancestors did and whether we should know better. It

seems that since we're all here, discussing plant-based diets, that

we're all mostly on the same page. Sorry if my comments were

confusing to some, I was not intending to inflame.

BTW, I echo the below sentiment that we do not have the teeth of

carnivores. No sharp canines for ripping flesh, but we do have the

flat chewing surfaces on the molars as herbivores do. Also, the

length of our intestines points to a vegetable-matter based diet.

Most carnivores have intestines in the 5 feet range, while ours are a

good 20 feet.

 

, sahmomof8 wrote:

>

> " we were meant to eat meat, look at our teeth " etc etc

>

> Our teeth, if anyone really cares to check, are NOT the teeth of a

> carnivore! That argument is completely invalid.

>

> The best I can do now does not involve killing for my food

anymore, or

> killing myself by eating 90% meat diet! sheesh.

>

> I'm with you, Dee! We know better now, regardless of what our

ancestors did

> or did not do. Marilyn

>

>

>

>

> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your

budget?

> Read reviews on AOL Autos.

> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?

ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

>

>

>

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Here is a great website about raw foods eating that might help you.

 

http://thegardendiet.com/

 

I am saying you need to go to a raw foods diet but it might help if you

learn more. I love to learn and never want to stop, so please do not

take this as an insult.

Warmly,

Jill M.

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