Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny - 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? Thanks for reading! Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I have to laugh at your poop descriptions. Some years ago I actually carried a bag of multicolored poop (in a ziplock bag) to our pediatrician visit. She was NOT that impressed. We went with more fiber and zero dairy. Happiness returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Hi- Do you think it's possible that she's getting some molars or other teeth? I can't remember that far back with my first,and haven't reached that age yet with my other two. But I do very distinctly remember bad diarrhea- sometimes for a month or so, predictably when teething. Oh I know, I know, many doctors say the diarrhea is a coincidence and that there's no reason for it with teething, but like I said, it's worked out the same and has been very predictable with all three of my kids. And I remember it being stringy or ropey, too. I don't remember accompanying stomach pain, but just having the diarrhea could be causing the stomach pain, and not necessarily whatevers causing the diarrhea is also causing stomach pain. I hope this makes sense. Everyone in my house has the stomach flu and I don't know whether I'm comin' or goin'! Other folks probably have some better ideas, but that's my best one. Unless, of course, she has a stomach bug (hello! we're going through that right now ! Why didn't I think of that first??!!), which could easily last a week or two. The pain, which for me is usually lower than stomach- more like down in the intestines- could easily be caused by a stomach bug. That would also account for the frequency and odd consistency. Good luck! I'm sure she'll be back to her old pooping-self soon! , " Liz " <evergnault wrote: > > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > > > > DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant > foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny > - 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, > her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, > after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and > easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per > day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and > not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. > Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? > Thanks for reading! > Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I read on this group somewhere information that most humans can not digest milk past age 2 due the the way our bodies grow. I will see if I can find it for you. If this is the truth than her body may not be handling dairy like it used to. The easy way to see if this is an issue is to remove it from her d iet for a week or two and see if the issue resolves itself. Liz <evergnault Monday, August 18, 2008 7:22:24 PM 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny - 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? Thanks for reading! Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 If your daughter is uncomfortable, this really might be a medical issue, like a food allergy. My grandmother would have suggested a banana to " bind " . Until you know what is going on, keep her well hydrated. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Liz <evergnault wrote: Liz <evergnault 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... Monday, August 18, 2008, 7:22 PM If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny - 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? Thanks for reading! Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I would wait just a little while longer. It could be a virus. If it still persists, start a log of the food she eats and record when she has the problems. Go to the doctor to get a check up. She could be developing food allergies. Hope this helps. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Liz <evergnault wrote: > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > > DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant > foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny > - 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, > her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, > after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and > easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per > day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and > not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. > Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? > Thanks for reading! > Liz > > > -- Sarah Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them -- that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like. ~ Lao Tzu However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Hi Liz, My son is almost 3 ½. He has a milk allergy, so we don’t do any dairy. Stools will vary, some days 2-3, some days many more. We’re also going thru potty training and I think that has something to do with the frequency issue. More concerning is your daughter’s gas and uncomfortable tummy. Is she eating anything that you don’t know about? My son had some goldfish crackers at my gym and since they contain cheese, he was quite sick later that day and for the next few days. (the little girls that he plays with had some and shared. ) He’s now old enough to know to ask before he eats, and he knows he can’t have anything with milk. On the list of unknown foods, you’ll also want to check if she’s eating any non-foods. (toys, books, paper, etc.). Also, you might want to eliminate milk products and see if that helps. ~Audrey fruit Audrey Quick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Certified Health Educator Certified Health Coach 516-670-9694 <http://www.healthy-quicks./> www.healthy-quicks.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Juice Plus+...Fruits, Veggies, and Berries...whole food nutrition in capsules, chewables, or gummies...proven to be good preventive health for the busy family...a great health decision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 > Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > stomach is. It's great that you are taking your child seriously! When I was little, my own parents had NO idea about these things, and I suffered for YEARS with stomach problems until as an adult I discovered the causes. I'd strongly suspect an intolerance to dairy or eggs. Try eating vegan for a couple of days and see if that helps. You can become intolerant to any food at any time, and these are two common foods to cause problems. They do for me, which is why I mostly try to eat vegan and stay away from eggs and dairy as much as possible. And it could be that your child isn't eating because she is reacting to a food from a PREVIOUS meal. Try keeping a food diary, and noticing what she eats in the 24 hours BEFORE a tummy ache. Soy could be another offender, as can citrus, wheat, or any gluten containing grains. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? Frankly, I'd worry more about a nurse insisting your child " needs " chicken, or a doctor who had no clue! Wow! RUUUUUUNNNNN!!!!! Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I would say..take her to a different ped ...could be a simple stomach bug...but knowing everything is ok will put your mind at peace. Liz <evergnault Monday, August 18, 2008 7:22:24 PM 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny - 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? Thanks for reading! Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 My guesses as to what's happening - The sudden change may mean a food borne illness that will hopefully pass (no pun intended). But if not, this sounds similar to my son's experience around that age- or maybe a few months older. Her body may have reduced the amount of lactase enzyme that her small intestine is producing because she is at or is approaching her biological weaning age. Try switching to lactaid milk and other zero to low lactose dairy products and see if that makes a difference. or better yet, eliminate dairy completely. this and many other valid reasons are good motivation to do so. I saw a difference with my son within 24 hours of switching to lactaid milk, or soy, rice milk, cheeses etc. (make sure it's organic soy to avoid gmo soy). If this is what is happening, she may be still be producing a little lactase and can occasionally handle small amounts of lactose. If she is very sensitive (or becomes so with age), keep in mind that dairy products can be labeled " lactose free " (true for a lot of Kraft hard cheeses) if they have less than 0.5 grams of lactose per serving. A " serving " of cheese is not very much food, (1-2 ounces I think) so you can still get enough lactose to cause a problem eating " lactose free " dairy foods. Our son's lactose intolerance spurred my husband and I to learn more about problems with dairy and all three of us eventually became vegan. Also, as far as labeling people with lactose intolerance... since the vast majority of the people in the world stop producing lactase, (the big exception is mostly just folks that are of northern European descent, and not all of them continue producing it) - it really should be called by its proper name and be applied to those that are in the minority - the genetic trait is known as lactase persistence. Your daughter could be just " normal " and simply reacting to milk sugar that is intended for baby mammals...and she's getting to be a big girl, right?! ;-) As far as that nurse's comment- her supervising ped (or above that) should be informed that she is dispensing erroneous nutrition advice to patients. If they want to refer you to an RD that has expertise in veg diets that's one thing, but she should stick to nursing as her training and her behavior shows that she doesn't know beans about nutrition! Hope this helps! D (btw, I'm currently a nutrition and food science grad student working towards an MS RD and I intend to specialize in veg nutrition) > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > >DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant >foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny >- 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, >her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, >after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and >easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per >day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and >not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. >Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down >from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I >ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her >stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse >insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to >the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I >didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have >any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? >Thanks for reading! >Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Thank you all for taking the time to read and share I too suspected lactose intolerance as I am intolerant. She just weaned a couple months ago, so I would be surprised if her natural lactase production dropped so quickly. I tried cutting down on dairy, but didn't totally eliminate, and I know Grandma wasn't paying attention. We'll give it a try... She never drinks a glass of cow milk, her only dairy comes from yogurt or kefir or occasionally cheese. I suspected the soy, then, too. How long can a girl survive on bananas, avocados, sweet potatoes and greens? Just kidding! The nurse asked my what she ate yesterday. I said: *Oatmeal with walnuts and dried cherries cooked in soy milk *fruit smoothie with greens and some whole wheat crackers *Cheese quesadilla with black beans, broccoli and avocado *glass of soy milk and 2 figs It was then that he told me she needed more fiber IN THE FORM OF CHICKEN!!!!!! We usually see the nurse practitioner in this practice, whom I really like, as it is hard to find a provider who doesn't give me a bunch of grief about her size and our refusal to vax. I guess I can just tune this silly nurse out, right?! thank you all for the advice. I'll cut out dairy and soy for a couple days and see what happens. Liz , danitamark wrote: > > My guesses as to what's happening - > > The sudden change may mean a food borne illness that will hopefully pass (no pun intended). > > But if not, this sounds similar to my son's experience around that age- or maybe a few months older. > > Her body may have reduced the amount of lactase enzyme that her small intestine is producing because she is at or is approaching her biological weaning age. > > Try switching to lactaid milk and other zero to low lactose dairy products and see if that makes a difference. or better yet, eliminate dairy completely. this and many other valid reasons are good motivation to do so. > > I saw a difference with my son within 24 hours of switching to lactaid milk, or soy, rice milk, cheeses etc. (make sure it's organic soy to avoid gmo soy). > > If this is what is happening, she may be still be producing a little lactase and can occasionally handle small amounts of lactose. If she is very sensitive (or becomes so with age), keep in mind that dairy products can be labeled " lactose free " (true for a lot of Kraft hard cheeses) if they have less than 0.5 grams of lactose per serving. A " serving " of cheese is not very much food, (1-2 ounces I think) so you can still get enough lactose to cause a problem eating " lactose free " dairy foods. > > Our son's lactose intolerance spurred my husband and I to learn more about problems with dairy and all three of us eventually became vegan. > > Also, as far as labeling people with lactose intolerance... > > since the vast majority of the people in the world stop producing lactase, (the big exception is mostly just folks that are of northern European descent, and not all of them continue producing it) - it really should be called by its proper name and be applied to those that are in the minority - the genetic trait is known as lactase persistence. Your daughter could be just " normal " and simply reacting to milk sugar that is intended for baby mammals...and she's getting to be a big girl, right?! ;-) > > As far as that nurse's comment- her supervising ped (or above that) should be informed that she is dispensing erroneous nutrition advice to patients. If they want to refer you to an RD that has expertise in veg diets that's one thing, but she should stick to nursing as her training and her behavior shows that she doesn't know beans about nutrition! > > Hope this helps! > > D > (btw, I'm currently a nutrition and food science grad student working towards an MS RD and I intend to specialize in veg nutrition) > > > > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > > > >DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant > >foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny > >- 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, > >her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, > >after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and > >easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per > >day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and > >not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. > >Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > >from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > >ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > >stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > >insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > >the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > >didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > >any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? > >Thanks for reading! > >Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Fiber from meat? --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Liz <evergnault wrote: Liz <evergnault Re: 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 3:12 PM Thank you all for taking the time to read and share I too suspected lactose intolerance as I am intolerant. She just weaned a couple months ago, so I would be surprised if her natural lactase production dropped so quickly. I tried cutting down on dairy, but didn't totally eliminate, and I know Grandma wasn't paying attention. We'll give it a try... She never drinks a glass of cow milk, her only dairy comes from yogurt or kefir or occasionally cheese. I suspected the soy, then, too. How long can a girl survive on bananas, avocados, sweet potatoes and greens? Just kidding! The nurse asked my what she ate yesterday. I said: *Oatmeal with walnuts and dried cherries cooked in soy milk *fruit smoothie with greens and some whole wheat crackers *Cheese quesadilla with black beans, broccoli and avocado *glass of soy milk and 2 figs It was then that he told me she needed more fiber IN THE FORM OF CHICKEN!!!!! ! We usually see the nurse practitioner in this practice, whom I really like, as it is hard to find a provider who doesn't give me a bunch of grief about her size and our refusal to vax. I guess I can just tune this silly nurse out, right?! thank you all for the advice. I'll cut out dairy and soy for a couple days and see what happens. Liz @gro ups.com, danitamark@. .. wrote: > > My guesses as to what's happening - > > The sudden change may mean a food borne illness that will hopefully pass (no pun intended). > > But if not, this sounds similar to my son's experience around that age- or maybe a few months older. > > Her body may have reduced the amount of lactase enzyme that her small intestine is producing because she is at or is approaching her biological weaning age. > > Try switching to lactaid milk and other zero to low lactose dairy products and see if that makes a difference. or better yet, eliminate dairy completely. this and many other valid reasons are good motivation to do so. > > I saw a difference with my son within 24 hours of switching to lactaid milk, or soy, rice milk, cheeses etc. (make sure it's organic soy to avoid gmo soy). > > If this is what is happening, she may be still be producing a little lactase and can occasionally handle small amounts of lactose. If she is very sensitive (or becomes so with age), keep in mind that dairy products can be labeled " lactose free " (true for a lot of Kraft hard cheeses) if they have less than 0.5 grams of lactose per serving. A " serving " of cheese is not very much food, (1-2 ounces I think) so you can still get enough lactose to cause a problem eating " lactose free " dairy foods. > > Our son's lactose intolerance spurred my husband and I to learn more about problems with dairy and all three of us eventually became vegan. > > Also, as far as labeling people with lactose intolerance. .. > > since the vast majority of the people in the world stop producing lactase, (the big exception is mostly just folks that are of northern European descent, and not all of them continue producing it) - it really should be called by its proper name and be applied to those that are in the minority - the genetic trait is known as lactase persistence. Your daughter could be just " normal " and simply reacting to milk sugar that is intended for baby mammals...and she's getting to be a big girl, right?! ;-) > > As far as that nurse's comment- her supervising ped (or above that) should be informed that she is dispensing erroneous nutrition advice to patients. If they want to refer you to an RD that has expertise in veg diets that's one thing, but she should stick to nursing as her training and her behavior shows that she doesn't know beans about nutrition! > > Hope this helps! > > D > (btw, I'm currently a nutrition and food science grad student working towards an MS RD and I intend to specialize in veg nutrition) > > > > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > > > >DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant > >foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny > >- 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, > >her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, > >after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and > >easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per > >day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and > >not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. > >Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > >from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > >ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > >stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > >insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > >the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > >didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > >any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? > >Thanks for reading! > >Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 here's our proof, folks, that here needs to be more nutrition education in the health professions. But we all probably know that, don't we!!?? I think this may have been my biggest laugh of the day. ps some kinds of soy give me a stomach ache, too. great idea to cut it out for awhile and see... Liz <evergnault Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:12:04 PM Re: 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... Thank you all for taking the time to read and share I too suspected lactose intolerance as I am intolerant. She just weaned a couple months ago, so I would be surprised if her natural lactase production dropped so quickly. I tried cutting down on dairy, but didn't totally eliminate, and I know Grandma wasn't paying attention. We'll give it a try... She never drinks a glass of cow milk, her only dairy comes from yogurt or kefir or occasionally cheese. I suspected the soy, then, too. How long can a girl survive on bananas, avocados, sweet potatoes and greens? Just kidding! The nurse asked my what she ate yesterday. I said: *Oatmeal with walnuts and dried cherries cooked in soy milk *fruit smoothie with greens and some whole wheat crackers *Cheese quesadilla with black beans, broccoli and avocado *glass of soy milk and 2 figs It was then that he told me she needed more fiber IN THE FORM OF CHICKEN!!!!! ! We usually see the nurse practitioner in this practice, whom I really like, as it is hard to find a provider who doesn't give me a bunch of grief about her size and our refusal to vax. I guess I can just tune this silly nurse out, right?! thank you all for the advice. I'll cut out dairy and soy for a couple days and see what happens. Liz @gro ups.com, danitamark@. .. wrote: > > My guesses as to what's happening - > > The sudden change may mean a food borne illness that will hopefully pass (no pun intended). > > But if not, this sounds similar to my son's experience around that age- or maybe a few months older. > > Her body may have reduced the amount of lactase enzyme that her small intestine is producing because she is at or is approaching her biological weaning age. > > Try switching to lactaid milk and other zero to low lactose dairy products and see if that makes a difference. or better yet, eliminate dairy completely. this and many other valid reasons are good motivation to do so. > > I saw a difference with my son within 24 hours of switching to lactaid milk, or soy, rice milk, cheeses etc. (make sure it's organic soy to avoid gmo soy). > > If this is what is happening, she may be still be producing a little lactase and can occasionally handle small amounts of lactose. If she is very sensitive (or becomes so with age), keep in mind that dairy products can be labeled " lactose free " (true for a lot of Kraft hard cheeses) if they have less than 0.5 grams of lactose per serving. A " serving " of cheese is not very much food, (1-2 ounces I think) so you can still get enough lactose to cause a problem eating " lactose free " dairy foods. > > Our son's lactose intolerance spurred my husband and I to learn more about problems with dairy and all three of us eventually became vegan. > > Also, as far as labeling people with lactose intolerance. .. > > since the vast majority of the people in the world stop producing lactase, (the big exception is mostly just folks that are of northern European descent, and not all of them continue producing it) - it really should be called by its proper name and be applied to those that are in the minority - the genetic trait is known as lactase persistence. Your daughter could be just " normal " and simply reacting to milk sugar that is intended for baby mammals...and she's getting to be a big girl, right?! ;-) > > As far as that nurse's comment- her supervising ped (or above that) should be informed that she is dispensing erroneous nutrition advice to patients. If they want to refer you to an RD that has expertise in veg diets that's one thing, but she should stick to nursing as her training and her behavior shows that she doesn't know beans about nutrition! > > Hope this helps! > > D > (btw, I'm currently a nutrition and food science grad student working towards an MS RD and I intend to specialize in veg nutrition) > > > > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > > > >DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant > >foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny > >- 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, > >her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, > >after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and > >easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per > >day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and > >not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. > >Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > >from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > >ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > >stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > >insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > >the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > >didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > >any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? > >Thanks for reading! > >Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I guess I can just tune this silly nurse out, right?! You CAN, but I'm not so sure you SHOULD. You know better than she does, but some not so well informed new mommy is going to BELIEVE this nutritional nightmare of a nurse, and I just don't think that's a good idea. Someone just passing by on the street is not so important to deal with, but this woman impacts a lot of lives, including yours. She NEEDS to be better informed! JMO. Marilyn **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 That's an oxymoron right? On Behalf Of robin koloms Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:57 PM Re: Re: 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... Fiber from meat? --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Liz <evergnault <evergnault%40> > wrote: Liz <evergnault <evergnault%40> > Re: 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... <%40> Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 3:12 PM Thank you all for taking the time to read and share I too suspected lactose intolerance as I am intolerant. She just weaned a couple months ago, so I would be surprised if her natural lactase production dropped so quickly. I tried cutting down on dairy, but didn't totally eliminate, and I know Grandma wasn't paying attention. We'll give it a try... She never drinks a glass of cow milk, her only dairy comes from yogurt or kefir or occasionally cheese. I suspected the soy, then, too. How long can a girl survive on bananas, avocados, sweet potatoes and greens? Just kidding! The nurse asked my what she ate yesterday. I said: *Oatmeal with walnuts and dried cherries cooked in soy milk *fruit smoothie with greens and some whole wheat crackers *Cheese quesadilla with black beans, broccoli and avocado *glass of soy milk and 2 figs It was then that he told me she needed more fiber IN THE FORM OF CHICKEN!!!!! ! We usually see the nurse practitioner in this practice, whom I really like, as it is hard to find a provider who doesn't give me a bunch of grief about her size and our refusal to vax. I guess I can just tune this silly nurse out, right?! thank you all for the advice. I'll cut out dairy and soy for a couple days and see what happens. Liz @gro ups.com, danitamark@. .. wrote: > > My guesses as to what's happening - > > The sudden change may mean a food borne illness that will hopefully pass (no pun intended). > > But if not, this sounds similar to my son's experience around that age- or maybe a few months older. > > Her body may have reduced the amount of lactase enzyme that her small intestine is producing because she is at or is approaching her biological weaning age. > > Try switching to lactaid milk and other zero to low lactose dairy products and see if that makes a difference. or better yet, eliminate dairy completely. this and many other valid reasons are good motivation to do so. > > I saw a difference with my son within 24 hours of switching to lactaid milk, or soy, rice milk, cheeses etc. (make sure it's organic soy to avoid gmo soy). > > If this is what is happening, she may be still be producing a little lactase and can occasionally handle small amounts of lactose. If she is very sensitive (or becomes so with age), keep in mind that dairy products can be labeled " lactose free " (true for a lot of Kraft hard cheeses) if they have less than 0.5 grams of lactose per serving. A " serving " of cheese is not very much food, (1-2 ounces I think) so you can still get enough lactose to cause a problem eating " lactose free " dairy foods. > > Our son's lactose intolerance spurred my husband and I to learn more about problems with dairy and all three of us eventually became vegan. > > Also, as far as labeling people with lactose intolerance. .. > > since the vast majority of the people in the world stop producing lactase, (the big exception is mostly just folks that are of northern European descent, and not all of them continue producing it) - it really should be called by its proper name and be applied to those that are in the minority - the genetic trait is known as lactase persistence. Your daughter could be just " normal " and simply reacting to milk sugar that is intended for baby mammals...and she's getting to be a big girl, right?! ;-) > > As far as that nurse's comment- her supervising ped (or above that) should be informed that she is dispensing erroneous nutrition advice to patients. If they want to refer you to an RD that has expertise in veg diets that's one thing, but she should stick to nursing as her training and her behavior shows that she doesn't know beans about nutrition! > > Hope this helps! > > D > (btw, I'm currently a nutrition and food science grad student working towards an MS RD and I intend to specialize in veg nutrition) > > > > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > > > >DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant > >foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny > >- 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, > >her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, > >after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and > >easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per > >day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and > >not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. > >Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > >from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > >ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > >stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > >insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > >the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > >didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > >any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? > >Thanks for reading! > >Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Well, at the very least " moronic " . ) God's Peace, Gayle - Azur Zouiden Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:29 PM RE: Re: 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... That's an oxymoron right? On Behalf Of robin koloms Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:57 PM Re: Re: 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... Fiber from meat? --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Liz <evergnault <evergnault%40> > wrote: Liz <evergnault <evergnault%40> > Re: 2 year old poop - HELP! Detailed ...... <%40> Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 3:12 PM Thank you all for taking the time to read and share I too suspected lactose intolerance as I am intolerant. She just weaned a couple months ago, so I would be surprised if her natural lactase production dropped so quickly. I tried cutting down on dairy, but didn't totally eliminate, and I know Grandma wasn't paying attention. We'll give it a try... She never drinks a glass of cow milk, her only dairy comes from yogurt or kefir or occasionally cheese. I suspected the soy, then, too. How long can a girl survive on bananas, avocados, sweet potatoes and greens? Just kidding! The nurse asked my what she ate yesterday. I said: *Oatmeal with walnuts and dried cherries cooked in soy milk *fruit smoothie with greens and some whole wheat crackers *Cheese quesadilla with black beans, broccoli and avocado *glass of soy milk and 2 figs It was then that he told me she needed more fiber IN THE FORM OF CHICKEN!!!!! ! We usually see the nurse practitioner in this practice, whom I really like, as it is hard to find a provider who doesn't give me a bunch of grief about her size and our refusal to vax. I guess I can just tune this silly nurse out, right?! thank you all for the advice. I'll cut out dairy and soy for a couple days and see what happens. Liz @gro ups.com, danitamark@. .. wrote: > > My guesses as to what's happening - > > The sudden change may mean a food borne illness that will hopefully pass (no pun intended). > > But if not, this sounds similar to my son's experience around that age- or maybe a few months older. > > Her body may have reduced the amount of lactase enzyme that her small intestine is producing because she is at or is approaching her biological weaning age. > > Try switching to lactaid milk and other zero to low lactose dairy products and see if that makes a difference. or better yet, eliminate dairy completely. this and many other valid reasons are good motivation to do so. > > I saw a difference with my son within 24 hours of switching to lactaid milk, or soy, rice milk, cheeses etc. (make sure it's organic soy to avoid gmo soy). > > If this is what is happening, she may be still be producing a little lactase and can occasionally handle small amounts of lactose. If she is very sensitive (or becomes so with age), keep in mind that dairy products can be labeled " lactose free " (true for a lot of Kraft hard cheeses) if they have less than 0.5 grams of lactose per serving. A " serving " of cheese is not very much food, (1-2 ounces I think) so you can still get enough lactose to cause a problem eating " lactose free " dairy foods. > > Our son's lactose intolerance spurred my husband and I to learn more about problems with dairy and all three of us eventually became vegan. > > Also, as far as labeling people with lactose intolerance. .. > > since the vast majority of the people in the world stop producing lactase, (the big exception is mostly just folks that are of northern European descent, and not all of them continue producing it) - it really should be called by its proper name and be applied to those that are in the minority - the genetic trait is known as lactase persistence. Your daughter could be just " normal " and simply reacting to milk sugar that is intended for baby mammals...and she's getting to be a big girl, right?! ;-) > > As far as that nurse's comment- her supervising ped (or above that) should be informed that she is dispensing erroneous nutrition advice to patients. If they want to refer you to an RD that has expertise in veg diets that's one thing, but she should stick to nursing as her training and her behavior shows that she doesn't know beans about nutrition! > > Hope this helps! > > D > (btw, I'm currently a nutrition and food science grad student working towards an MS RD and I intend to specialize in veg nutrition) > > > > If this topic might make you squeamish, back out while you can! > > > >DD is 32 months old. She eats eggs and dairy and a variety of plant > >foods. I probably worry more than average because she is super skinny > >- 34 inches tall and 21 pounds soaking wet. So, for the last week, > >her poop has been " different " . Normal for her is 2-3 times a day, > >after most meals. It is generally soft, formed, uniform in color and > >easy to pass. For about a week now, she has been going 4-8 times per > >day. Some days she has a LOT of gas, and her stool is very soft and > >not formed. Other times, it is long, thin, ropy, and multi colored. > >Nothing has changed in her diet. A couple times she has gotten down > >from the table without eating, saying that her belly hurts. When I > >ask her to show me where, she points to down low, not where her > >stomach is. I called the ped, who has a new nurse. The new nurse > >insisted that no child can grow properly without chicken. I argued to > >the point that it became silly, and pressed for a better answer. I > >didn't get one. Anyhow, he was not concerned, either. Anyone have > >any ideas about this? Should I continue to worry? > >Thanks for reading! > >Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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