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I LOVED reading Diet For A New America. It was the one and only book I read to

get me vegetarian overnight.

I am looking for a book like that, but more recent...any suggestions? I really

like all of the aspects of the book- stats on desease and ill-health, pictures

and stories on animal mistreatment, the whole first section was on animals as

living feeling things was GREAT!.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote:

 

> jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick

> Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

>

> Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:46 PM

> Try " Diet for a New America', by John Robbins (heir

> to the Baskin Robbins throne, which he declined). Chock full

> of all kinds of statistics re:cancer, osteoporosis (ever

> wondered why we are one of the highest dairy-consumption

> countries in the world, but also one with the highest

> osteoporosis? And in countries where there's almost no

> dairy consumed, NO osteoporosis?), the list goes on...This

> book is seen as depressing by some (which I can understand,

> as it discusses and shows what factory farming is really all

> about), but it is also extremely complete in that it attacks

> animal-product consumption form all possible angles- animal

> rights, nutrition, etc. It is also very well-researched in

> that most of the info in it somes from primary sources-

> medical journals, etc. It's not from sources that the

> more uh, skeptical, 'meatarians' will discount as

> being vegetarian propaganda- not that I don't love that,

> too.

> I've also seen 'The China Study' mentioned on

> this board. Can't give specifics, haven't read it,

> but plan to. I'm sure someone else will chime in and

> give a synopsis.

> ps if you google the author or title of book above, i'm

> sure you'll come up with his organization (planetsave?

> or something like that), which would probably be a great

> on-line source of info if you lack the time etc. to delve

> into the book.

>

>

>

>

> Lebasi <lebasi.klotko

>

> Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:10:33 PM

> Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day

> camp!--a rant

>

>

> Sorry but what can happen by eating animal products?. Ive

> been looking for research on the effects of meat and all I

> find is stuff on fat. My husband is still a meat eater and I

> am constantly asked this question> I would love some

> information.

>

>

> SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree@

> gmail.com>

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:07:07 AM

> Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day

> camp!--a rant

>

> I think it's very kind, you're being grateful and

> encouraging when people

> try to accommodate your vegan diet. But, I would be

> concerned about

> actually taking animal products into my body. I'm a

> vegan. I don't do eat

> animal products. This also sends a message. Please know I

> say this with

> respect for you and your decisions and not to be

> confrontational or

> critical. Just discussing. :)

> SoyPalmtree

>

> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Tanya <tcomer5 (AT) (DOT)

> com> wrote:

>

> > Sorry, folks. I'm behind so I just read this...

> >

> > I kind of have a policy on things like this. Maybe it

> makes me a

> > level two vegan instead of a level five, but if people

> are trying

> > very hard to be accommodating and miss the mark just a

> bit I eat it

> > anyway and just let them know in a kind way for next

> time. Like

> > yesterday my boss ordered pizza for the office and was

> kind enough to

> > order a half of one without cheese and with veggies.

> She didn't

> > realize the crust wasn't vegan. So I ate it anyway

> with a smile, but

> > let her know later. And one time my mom got us veggie

> chicken

> > nuggets. She didn't realize they had eggs in them.

> I just

> > appreciate so much people actually trying... and I

> don't want to turn

> > them off from trying again. And I get to be the nice

> guy but also

> > educate them a little too. Dunno. Food for thought...

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com <%

> 40. com>, " iluvk5 "

> > <skerns wrote:

> > >

> > > You are so not alone!!! We just finished up a

> week of evening camp

> > at

> > > our church and it was unbelievable how closely I

> had to watch our 3

> > > year old when the other kids were eating.

> He's at an age where he

> > > doesn't know how to discern what's vegan

> or not so either Dad or I

> > > have to have our eyes on him constantly when food

> is being served.

> > > The people at our church treat him like their own

> because he's the

> > > only toddler/baby there. So if he sees something

> on their plate

> > that

> > > he wants to try, they love taking care of him, so

> they would feed

> > him

> > > whatever he asked for...if we let them! There was

> a meal and snack

> > > served each night and the only thing we/he could

> eat was spaghetti

> > > with pasta sauce and some pretzels. The

> " snacks " cracked me up

> > > because they were not at all vegan. The ladies

> serving snacks tried

> > > every night to serve my son and even made him a

> special plate.

> > Every

> > > night I had to politely decline and they would

> expect an

> > explanation.

> > > One night a lady made homemade gummies (like

> jello jigglers). She

> > > made my son a special cup of them with his

> favorite sea shapes (she

> > > had starfish and seahorse gummies). I told her he

> couldn't have

> > them

> > > and she said, " But they're

> sugar-free! " Like that was supposed to

> > > make it better! She then asked why he

> couldn't have them and I just

> > > politely replied that we don't feed him

> artificial colors (not to

> > > mention the gelatin in them and the fact they

> were animal shaped!).

> > > She just couldn't understand why. And

> let's not even get started on

> > > the grandparents who think one little bite is not

> a big

> > deal...that' s

> > > another issue for another day! It was quite an

> interesting week.

> > > Anyway, just wanted to sympathize with you. I

> understand your

> > > ranting. It's good to know you're not

> alone!

> > > @gro ups.com

> <% 40. com>,

> > sahmomof8@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I am so glad all three of my girls can go to

> the special needs day

> > > camp this

> > > > year. But why, oh WHY do they feed my kids

> such CRAP? I often

> > feel I

> > > am the

> > > > only parent in the universe that would never

> even THINK about

> > buying

> > > > artificially colored, flavored, and

> sweetened ices and ice cream

> > for

> > > my kids. This is

> > > > the second time Anna (13) has come home

> completely wired to the

> > gills,

> > > > bouncing off the walls. And it's the

> second time they've had these

> > > frozen

> > > > " treats " . Coincidence? I think

> not. UGH.

> > > >

> > > > I have yet to find a camp, school, church,

> amusement park, or

> > > anyplace else

> > > > that deals with children that doesn't

> have any of this total

> > JUNK. I

> > > am so

> > > > disgusted. :P Marilyn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ************ **Get fantasy football with

> free live scoring. Sign

> > up for

> > > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

> > > > (http://www.fanhouse .com/fantasyaffa

> ir?ncid=aolspr00 050000000020)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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What about Food Revolution or something else even more current by John Robbins?

Renee

 

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--- On Tue, 8/19/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote:

 

Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet

Re: Book WAS Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

 

Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 8:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I LOVED reading Diet For A New America. It was the one and only book I read to

get me vegetarian overnight.

I am looking for a book like that, but more recent...any suggestions? I really

like all of the aspects of the book- stats on desease and ill-health, pictures

and stories on animal mistreatment, the whole first section was on animals as

living feeling things was GREAT!.

 

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ > wrote:

 

> jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ >

> Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:46 PM

> Try " Diet for a New America', by John Robbins (heir

> to the Baskin Robbins throne, which he declined). Chock full

> of all kinds of statistics re:cancer, osteoporosis (ever

> wondered why we are one of the highest dairy-consumption

> countries in the world, but also one with the highest

> osteoporosis? And in countries where there's almost no

> dairy consumed, NO osteoporosis? ), the list goes on...This

> book is seen as depressing by some (which I can understand,

> as it discusses and shows what factory farming is really all

> about), but it is also extremely complete in that it attacks

> animal-product consumption form all possible angles- animal

> rights, nutrition, etc. It is also very well-researched in

> that most of the info in it somes from primary sources-

> medical journals, etc. It's not from sources that the

> more uh, skeptical, 'meatarians' will discount as

> being vegetarian propaganda- not that I don't love that,

> too.

> I've also seen 'The China Study' mentioned on

> this board. Can't give specifics, haven't read it,

> but plan to. I'm sure someone else will chime in and

> give a synopsis.

> ps if you google the author or title of book above, i'm

> sure you'll come up with his organization (planetsave?

> or something like that), which would probably be a great

> on-line source of info if you lack the time etc. to delve

> into the book.

>

>

>

>

> Lebasi <lebasi.klotko@ >

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:10:33 PM

> Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day

> camp!--a rant

>

>

> Sorry but what can happen by eating animal products?. Ive

> been looking for research on the effects of meat and all I

> find is stuff on fat. My husband is still a meat eater and I

> am constantly asked this question> I would love some

> information.

>

>

> SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree@

> gmail.com>

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:07:07 AM

> Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day

> camp!--a rant

>

> I think it's very kind, you're being grateful and

> encouraging when people

> try to accommodate your vegan diet. But, I would be

> concerned about

> actually taking animal products into my body. I'm a

> vegan. I don't do eat

> animal products. This also sends a message. Please know I

> say this with

> respect for you and your decisions and not to be

> confrontational or

> critical. Just discussing. :)

> SoyPalmtree

>

> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Tanya <tcomer5 (AT) (DOT)

> com> wrote:

>

> > Sorry, folks. I'm behind so I just read this...

> >

> > I kind of have a policy on things like this. Maybe it

> makes me a

> > level two vegan instead of a level five, but if people

> are trying

> > very hard to be accommodating and miss the mark just a

> bit I eat it

> > anyway and just let them know in a kind way for next

> time. Like

> > yesterday my boss ordered pizza for the office and was

> kind enough to

> > order a half of one without cheese and with veggies.

> She didn't

> > realize the crust wasn't vegan. So I ate it anyway

> with a smile, but

> > let her know later. And one time my mom got us veggie

> chicken

> > nuggets. She didn't realize they had eggs in them.

> I just

> > appreciate so much people actually trying... and I

> don't want to turn

> > them off from trying again. And I get to be the nice

> guy but also

> > educate them a little too. Dunno. Food for thought...

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com <%

> 40. com>, " iluvk5 "

> > <skerns wrote:

> > >

> > > You are so not alone!!! We just finished up a

> week of evening camp

> > at

> > > our church and it was unbelievable how closely I

> had to watch our 3

> > > year old when the other kids were eating.

> He's at an age where he

> > > doesn't know how to discern what's vegan

> or not so either Dad or I

> > > have to have our eyes on him constantly when food

> is being served.

> > > The people at our church treat him like their own

> because he's the

> > > only toddler/baby there. So if he sees something

> on their plate

> > that

> > > he wants to try, they love taking care of him, so

> they would feed

> > him

> > > whatever he asked for...if we let them! There was

> a meal and snack

> > > served each night and the only thing we/he could

> eat was spaghetti

> > > with pasta sauce and some pretzels. The

> " snacks " cracked me up

> > > because they were not at all vegan. The ladies

> serving snacks tried

> > > every night to serve my son and even made him a

> special plate.

> > Every

> > > night I had to politely decline and they would

> expect an

> > explanation.

> > > One night a lady made homemade gummies (like

> jello jigglers). She

> > > made my son a special cup of them with his

> favorite sea shapes (she

> > > had starfish and seahorse gummies). I told her he

> couldn't have

> > them

> > > and she said, " But they're

> sugar-free! " Like that was supposed to

> > > make it better! She then asked why he

> couldn't have them and I just

> > > politely replied that we don't feed him

> artificial colors (not to

> > > mention the gelatin in them and the fact they

> were animal shaped!).

> > > She just couldn't understand why. And

> let's not even get started on

> > > the grandparents who think one little bite is not

> a big

> > deal...that' s

> > > another issue for another day! It was quite an

> interesting week.

> > > Anyway, just wanted to sympathize with you. I

> understand your

> > > ranting. It's good to know you're not

> alone!

> > > @gro ups.com

> <% 40. com>,

> > sahmomof8@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I am so glad all three of my girls can go to

> the special needs day

> > > camp this

> > > > year. But why, oh WHY do they feed my kids

> such CRAP? I often

> > feel I

> > > am the

> > > > only parent in the universe that would never

> even THINK about

> > buying

> > > > artificially colored, flavored, and

> sweetened ices and ice cream

> > for

> > > my kids. This is

> > > > the second time Anna (13) has come home

> completely wired to the

> > gills,

> > > > bouncing off the walls. And it's the

> second time they've had these

> > > frozen

> > > > " treats " . Coincidence? I think

> not. UGH.

> > > >

> > > > I have yet to find a camp, school, church,

> amusement park, or

> > > anyplace else

> > > > that deals with children that doesn't

> have any of this total

> > JUNK. I

> > > am so

> > > > disgusted. :P Marilyn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ************ **Get fantasy football with

> free live scoring. Sign

> > up for

> > > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

> > > > (http://www.fanhouse .com/fantasyaffa

> ir?ncid=aolspr00 050000000020)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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