Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I LOVED reading Diet For A New America. It was the one and only book I read to get me vegetarian overnight. I am looking for a book like that, but more recent...any suggestions? I really like all of the aspects of the book- stats on desease and ill-health, pictures and stories on animal mistreatment, the whole first section was on animals as living feeling things was GREAT!. --- On Tue, 8/19/08, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote: > jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick > Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant > > Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:46 PM > Try " Diet for a New America', by John Robbins (heir > to the Baskin Robbins throne, which he declined). Chock full > of all kinds of statistics re:cancer, osteoporosis (ever > wondered why we are one of the highest dairy-consumption > countries in the world, but also one with the highest > osteoporosis? And in countries where there's almost no > dairy consumed, NO osteoporosis?), the list goes on...This > book is seen as depressing by some (which I can understand, > as it discusses and shows what factory farming is really all > about), but it is also extremely complete in that it attacks > animal-product consumption form all possible angles- animal > rights, nutrition, etc. It is also very well-researched in > that most of the info in it somes from primary sources- > medical journals, etc. It's not from sources that the > more uh, skeptical, 'meatarians' will discount as > being vegetarian propaganda- not that I don't love that, > too. > I've also seen 'The China Study' mentioned on > this board. Can't give specifics, haven't read it, > but plan to. I'm sure someone else will chime in and > give a synopsis. > ps if you google the author or title of book above, i'm > sure you'll come up with his organization (planetsave? > or something like that), which would probably be a great > on-line source of info if you lack the time etc. to delve > into the book. > > > > > Lebasi <lebasi.klotko > > Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:10:33 PM > Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day > camp!--a rant > > > Sorry but what can happen by eating animal products?. Ive > been looking for research on the effects of meat and all I > find is stuff on fat. My husband is still a meat eater and I > am constantly asked this question> I would love some > information. > > > SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree@ > gmail.com> > @gro ups.com > Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:07:07 AM > Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day > camp!--a rant > > I think it's very kind, you're being grateful and > encouraging when people > try to accommodate your vegan diet. But, I would be > concerned about > actually taking animal products into my body. I'm a > vegan. I don't do eat > animal products. This also sends a message. Please know I > say this with > respect for you and your decisions and not to be > confrontational or > critical. Just discussing. > SoyPalmtree > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Tanya <tcomer5 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote: > > > Sorry, folks. I'm behind so I just read this... > > > > I kind of have a policy on things like this. Maybe it > makes me a > > level two vegan instead of a level five, but if people > are trying > > very hard to be accommodating and miss the mark just a > bit I eat it > > anyway and just let them know in a kind way for next > time. Like > > yesterday my boss ordered pizza for the office and was > kind enough to > > order a half of one without cheese and with veggies. > She didn't > > realize the crust wasn't vegan. So I ate it anyway > with a smile, but > > let her know later. And one time my mom got us veggie > chicken > > nuggets. She didn't realize they had eggs in them. > I just > > appreciate so much people actually trying... and I > don't want to turn > > them off from trying again. And I get to be the nice > guy but also > > educate them a little too. Dunno. Food for thought... > > > > > > @gro ups.com <% > 40. com>, " iluvk5 " > > <skerns wrote: > > > > > > You are so not alone!!! We just finished up a > week of evening camp > > at > > > our church and it was unbelievable how closely I > had to watch our 3 > > > year old when the other kids were eating. > He's at an age where he > > > doesn't know how to discern what's vegan > or not so either Dad or I > > > have to have our eyes on him constantly when food > is being served. > > > The people at our church treat him like their own > because he's the > > > only toddler/baby there. So if he sees something > on their plate > > that > > > he wants to try, they love taking care of him, so > they would feed > > him > > > whatever he asked for...if we let them! There was > a meal and snack > > > served each night and the only thing we/he could > eat was spaghetti > > > with pasta sauce and some pretzels. The > " snacks " cracked me up > > > because they were not at all vegan. The ladies > serving snacks tried > > > every night to serve my son and even made him a > special plate. > > Every > > > night I had to politely decline and they would > expect an > > explanation. > > > One night a lady made homemade gummies (like > jello jigglers). She > > > made my son a special cup of them with his > favorite sea shapes (she > > > had starfish and seahorse gummies). I told her he > couldn't have > > them > > > and she said, " But they're > sugar-free! " Like that was supposed to > > > make it better! She then asked why he > couldn't have them and I just > > > politely replied that we don't feed him > artificial colors (not to > > > mention the gelatin in them and the fact they > were animal shaped!). > > > She just couldn't understand why. And > let's not even get started on > > > the grandparents who think one little bite is not > a big > > deal...that' s > > > another issue for another day! It was quite an > interesting week. > > > Anyway, just wanted to sympathize with you. I > understand your > > > ranting. It's good to know you're not > alone! > > > @gro ups.com > <% 40. com>, > > sahmomof8@ wrote: > > > > > > > > I am so glad all three of my girls can go to > the special needs day > > > camp this > > > > year. But why, oh WHY do they feed my kids > such CRAP? I often > > feel I > > > am the > > > > only parent in the universe that would never > even THINK about > > buying > > > > artificially colored, flavored, and > sweetened ices and ice cream > > for > > > my kids. This is > > > > the second time Anna (13) has come home > completely wired to the > > gills, > > > > bouncing off the walls. And it's the > second time they've had these > > > frozen > > > > " treats " . Coincidence? I think > not. UGH. > > > > > > > > I have yet to find a camp, school, church, > amusement park, or > > > anyplace else > > > > that deals with children that doesn't > have any of this total > > JUNK. I > > > am so > > > > disgusted. Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **Get fantasy football with > free live scoring. Sign > > up for > > > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > > > (http://www.fanhouse .com/fantasyaffa > ir?ncid=aolspr00 050000000020) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 What about Food Revolution or something else even more current by John Robbins? Renee http://www.youtube.com/renecarol25 --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet Re: Book WAS Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 8:27 PM I LOVED reading Diet For A New America. It was the one and only book I read to get me vegetarian overnight. I am looking for a book like that, but more recent...any suggestions? I really like all of the aspects of the book- stats on desease and ill-health, pictures and stories on animal mistreatment, the whole first section was on animals as living feeling things was GREAT!. --- On Tue, 8/19/08, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ > wrote: > jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ > > Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day camp!--a rant > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:46 PM > Try " Diet for a New America', by John Robbins (heir > to the Baskin Robbins throne, which he declined). Chock full > of all kinds of statistics re:cancer, osteoporosis (ever > wondered why we are one of the highest dairy-consumption > countries in the world, but also one with the highest > osteoporosis? And in countries where there's almost no > dairy consumed, NO osteoporosis? ), the list goes on...This > book is seen as depressing by some (which I can understand, > as it discusses and shows what factory farming is really all > about), but it is also extremely complete in that it attacks > animal-product consumption form all possible angles- animal > rights, nutrition, etc. It is also very well-researched in > that most of the info in it somes from primary sources- > medical journals, etc. It's not from sources that the > more uh, skeptical, 'meatarians' will discount as > being vegetarian propaganda- not that I don't love that, > too. > I've also seen 'The China Study' mentioned on > this board. Can't give specifics, haven't read it, > but plan to. I'm sure someone else will chime in and > give a synopsis. > ps if you google the author or title of book above, i'm > sure you'll come up with his organization (planetsave? > or something like that), which would probably be a great > on-line source of info if you lack the time etc. to delve > into the book. > > > > > Lebasi <lebasi.klotko@ > > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:10:33 PM > Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day > camp!--a rant > > > Sorry but what can happen by eating animal products?. Ive > been looking for research on the effects of meat and all I > find is stuff on fat. My husband is still a meat eater and I > am constantly asked this question> I would love some > information. > > > SoyPalmtree SoyPalmtree <soypalmtree@ > gmail.com> > @gro ups.com > Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:07:07 AM > Re: Re: ARGH. I love/hate day > camp!--a rant > > I think it's very kind, you're being grateful and > encouraging when people > try to accommodate your vegan diet. But, I would be > concerned about > actually taking animal products into my body. I'm a > vegan. I don't do eat > animal products. This also sends a message. Please know I > say this with > respect for you and your decisions and not to be > confrontational or > critical. Just discussing. > SoyPalmtree > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Tanya <tcomer5 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote: > > > Sorry, folks. I'm behind so I just read this... > > > > I kind of have a policy on things like this. Maybe it > makes me a > > level two vegan instead of a level five, but if people > are trying > > very hard to be accommodating and miss the mark just a > bit I eat it > > anyway and just let them know in a kind way for next > time. Like > > yesterday my boss ordered pizza for the office and was > kind enough to > > order a half of one without cheese and with veggies. > She didn't > > realize the crust wasn't vegan. So I ate it anyway > with a smile, but > > let her know later. And one time my mom got us veggie > chicken > > nuggets. She didn't realize they had eggs in them. > I just > > appreciate so much people actually trying... and I > don't want to turn > > them off from trying again. And I get to be the nice > guy but also > > educate them a little too. Dunno. Food for thought... > > > > > > @gro ups.com <% > 40. com>, " iluvk5 " > > <skerns wrote: > > > > > > You are so not alone!!! We just finished up a > week of evening camp > > at > > > our church and it was unbelievable how closely I > had to watch our 3 > > > year old when the other kids were eating. > He's at an age where he > > > doesn't know how to discern what's vegan > or not so either Dad or I > > > have to have our eyes on him constantly when food > is being served. > > > The people at our church treat him like their own > because he's the > > > only toddler/baby there. So if he sees something > on their plate > > that > > > he wants to try, they love taking care of him, so > they would feed > > him > > > whatever he asked for...if we let them! There was > a meal and snack > > > served each night and the only thing we/he could > eat was spaghetti > > > with pasta sauce and some pretzels. The > " snacks " cracked me up > > > because they were not at all vegan. The ladies > serving snacks tried > > > every night to serve my son and even made him a > special plate. > > Every > > > night I had to politely decline and they would > expect an > > explanation. > > > One night a lady made homemade gummies (like > jello jigglers). She > > > made my son a special cup of them with his > favorite sea shapes (she > > > had starfish and seahorse gummies). I told her he > couldn't have > > them > > > and she said, " But they're > sugar-free! " Like that was supposed to > > > make it better! She then asked why he > couldn't have them and I just > > > politely replied that we don't feed him > artificial colors (not to > > > mention the gelatin in them and the fact they > were animal shaped!). > > > She just couldn't understand why. And > let's not even get started on > > > the grandparents who think one little bite is not > a big > > deal...that' s > > > another issue for another day! It was quite an > interesting week. > > > Anyway, just wanted to sympathize with you. I > understand your > > > ranting. It's good to know you're not > alone! > > > @gro ups.com > <% 40. com>, > > sahmomof8@ wrote: > > > > > > > > I am so glad all three of my girls can go to > the special needs day > > > camp this > > > > year. But why, oh WHY do they feed my kids > such CRAP? I often > > feel I > > > am the > > > > only parent in the universe that would never > even THINK about > > buying > > > > artificially colored, flavored, and > sweetened ices and ice cream > > for > > > my kids. This is > > > > the second time Anna (13) has come home > completely wired to the > > gills, > > > > bouncing off the walls. And it's the > second time they've had these > > > frozen > > > > " treats " . Coincidence? I think > not. UGH. > > > > > > > > I have yet to find a camp, school, church, > amusement park, or > > > anyplace else > > > > that deals with children that doesn't > have any of this total > > JUNK. I > > > am so > > > > disgusted. Marilyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **Get fantasy football with > free live scoring. Sign > > up for > > > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > > > (http://www.fanhouse .com/fantasyaffa > ir?ncid=aolspr00 050000000020) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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