Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 I totally agree with what Jennie said about meat eaters and if they had to kill the animals themselves we would have a lot more vegetarians. And I feel a person is entitled to eat meat that they have killed themselves if they are Ok with that...what really gets me is the people who eat meat that comes in those little packages and then WASTE meat! I mean one the effects/reasons for factory farming is so that the meat will be cheaper.... so people don't really see the value in the meat and end up throwing so much carelessly in the trash! Not even thinking about or knowing the suffering these animals endured on factory farm, just to be thrown in the trash makes me ill....so I wish more meat eaters would go and kill their own meat, but I'l bet many would not keep eating it then... , jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote: > > Hi- > I, too, have family that are bona fide meat and potatoes/rancher- types- of beef, and other assorted agricultural products. These people have NO idea what to make of someone who bucks the family trend- not only the food, but the livelihood itself. And I'm a woman- I can only imagine the different spin being a man would put on all those issues. > One thing for the two of you to consider is that perhaps the family should be MORE respected that they are actually willing to go out and hunt their own food. Most cannot claim those kinds of huevos, if you get my drift. Most Americans are content to think that meat comes from a sanitary (well, not really, but you know what I mean) package that is bought at the grocery store, with no connection to actual life that was taken to obtain it. As well, by hunting their own food, as disgusting as that is to me personally, they are sidestepping the whole factory farming issue, which so many of us are passionate about. So perhaps there's a common ground to discuss at family events, if such a ground exists. Plus, at least what they're eating isn't pumped full of hormones, kept in tiny cages for a miserable life, etc. It's meat the way it was meant to be eaten. EEKK! Did I just actually type that??? I, of course, meant that it wasn't meant to be eaten, but if you > gotta do it, going out and doing the dirty work yourself is the way to go. I think if more people were forced to kill their own meat, there would be a lot more vegetarians in the world. But, of course, don't carve them up on MY kitchen counters! > > > > Danielle & Joe <jdbdmob > > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 1:48:14 PM > Men's Vegetarian Group > > > Group, > > My husband and I arrived at being vegetarian at about the same time > for a full range of reasons - during my first pregnancy and before > our son turned 1. However, he does eat the occasional fish. > > He finds it difficult in the workplace to be vegetarian, especially > at catered meetings. Vegetarian options are limited. One coworker > actually flew in some pork sandwiches from MN to serve to the whole > office. Joe and his boss (female, vegetarian) went out for lunch. > He tends to hang with the women in the office who order/eat salads > for lunch because the other options are the meat eaters (he is a > little disturbed by share grilled, etc.). At his company picnic, the > caterer *forgot* to provide the veggie burgers so all we had were > lettuce sandwiches and some fruit to eat. At home, we all eat the > same foods so all is fine and he can take in left overs. > > Another thing, we both were raised in the mid-west - meat and > potatoes country. Where " what is for dinner " is answered by the meat > du jour and no mention of vegetables in the main dish. Visiting > family is always so difficult when the only vegetable/plant options > are smothered in cheese and butter or way overcooked or the relish > tray (olives and such). Some members of our family have a hard time > understanding the whole perspective and several members of Joe's > family are - bleck! - hunters/fishers who eat what they hunt and > serve it up for everyone! Freezers full of meat... Joe's family has > a very set view of what it is to be *masculine* and Joe doesn't > always feel he meets those standards. > > I am sure he would appreciate a forum in which to discuss these > issues and any issues that may be more relevant to men than women > (?), and to discuss his journey, how he came to think about the > issues (animal rights, global warming, etc.), and the affects on his > life and his health. And yes, he has read books like " Omnivores > Dilemma " . He has " Skinny Bitch " on hold at the library and is > looking for The China Experiment (?). He would love to discuss such > books and relevant studies. > > My progression stemmed around my maternal health and the health of > our children. Joe's journey while including my prospective came from > a different perspective and we are constantly evolving. > > Danielle ( & Joe) > > @gro ups.com, Jillene Wenzel <jillben2008@ ...> > wrote: > > > > I will talk to my husband about a men's veg group tonight. > > He is under the impression that the only other veg men out there > are, um, " weird " . > > I know that's terrible and silly and terrible. But we don't meet > other vegetarians and the impression is that we are " weird " . > > We are definitely veg due to animal welfare issues and to a much > smaller extent for health. So, I guess I would hope that a veg men's > group wouldn't confirm his belief. We are not health nuts. We use > Peta's " vegan " list. We drive cars. Before digital, we used film. > However, we have also participated in circus/kfc protests. > > I know sometimes I don't write on this group because I feel that I > will be judged as a " bad " vegan - I love my epidurals, I only nursed > for a couple of months, etc, etc, etc. > > Hopefully men wouldn't run into their own things like that. > > > > > > > > > > hilbro <hilbro@> > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, September 8, 2008 7:21:20 PM > > Re: CHANGE THE HUSBAND'S MIND campaign - > thank you > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, VAP79@ wrote: > > > > > > Jill, > > > My husband is vegan as is my 12 yr. old son. I often think it > would be > > a > > > great idea to have a vegan men's group. > > > Laura in MD > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree - a vegan/vegetarian men's group would be wonderful! I don't > > know any other male vegetarians and I think if my husband had > contact > > with other vegetarians he might not feel so out of place. He says he > > is uncomfortable " being special " in front of others, but seriously > he > > has special needs regarding food anyway. He's super picky - no > onions > > (unless blended), no tomatoes but pizza sauce is okay, no spaghetti > > sauce on pasta (plain with butter), peas have to be baby peas from > the > > can (no other kind), nothing can be mixed so casseroles are out, > skippy > > peanut butter only (I tried bringing home jiff once and he went > right > > out and bought skippy because in the third grade his class did a > taste > > test with brands and he liked skippy, no need to ever try anything > > else)... the list goes on. He says this is mostly a texture thing. I > > try to understand but sometimes I just lose it. for instance, I made > > cream of carrot soup a couple days ago thinking he eats carrots so > > that's good, and it's blended so that's good. He hated it. During > the > > argument that followed he said " maybe there is a hint of carrot > flavor > > in there but that's it. " THERE WERE TWELVE FRIGGIN CARROTS IN THERE > and > > one potato. Give me a break! > > > > okay, we worked past that one and I better not get all in a tiffy > again > > over it or it will ruin my night > > > > SO, a vegetarian/vegan men's group would be great, as I was saying > > earlier... > > > > Hilary > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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