Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say Turkey Day

[Guest guest]

Does this make anyone else as crazy as it makes me? GRRRRRRR! Obviously it

mostly bothers

me b/c I'm a vegan, but it also bothers me that a day that is about giving

thanks for our

blessings has been made into a day about turkey. Just like how the

commercialization of

Christmas irritates me.

 

I'd love to hear some rants from other veg*ns. It would be nice to feel like I'm

not alone on

this.

 

We plan to go to a sanctuary this weekend to their " honor the turkeys " day.

Crummy that

there is such a thing...that we are honoring turkeys to counteract those that

aren't. And...with

that are we in a way making it about the turkeys too? Blah.

[Guest guest]

I was JUST Thinking this as I'm seeing it all over Facebook. " I can't wait for

Turkey Day! " GRrrrrrr

 

I think that's a nice idea to honor the turkeys. We have wild turkeys around

our neighborhood (and I am about 25 minutes from san francisco so yeah that

surprised me too) and when I gush about them to people they go, you know,

thanksgiving is coming up, and they laugh and wink and whatever. It makes me

nuts. They are very silly birds and sort of ugly but beautiful too. You should

have seen my cat the first time she saw them! She went right up to them to say

hi! They surrounded her . . . I didn't wait to see what happens next, I opened

the door and called her in and they trotted off.

 

But anyway. . . as an atheist who celebrates christmas (sort of) I shouldn't be

too judgemental I guess. I like the spirit of the season, I like giving to

others and seeing my family and friends. I like watching my daughter open her

presents. I like the lights and the music and the general festive feeling. So

for some people to think thanksgiving is all about the food is fair, I guess.

How can you blame them when all the commercial aspects of the holiday are SO BIG

and IN YOUR FACE. UGH the " win a turkey " contests! I just don't like it rubbed

in my face. Or for people to " feel sorry " for me because I don't eat turkey.

Hello? It's not like I'm allergic to it, I have made a choice and I'm very

happy with it. I can still gather with my family and think about all the things

I have to be grateful for. One major reason for gratitude? My parents followed

me down the happy path and don't eat meat anymore either.

 

:-)

 

stay sane!

 

Dee

 

 

-

ad00rable_1

Monday, November 17, 2008 11:31 AM

Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say " Turkey Day "

 

 

Does this make anyone else as crazy as it makes me? GRRRRRRR! Obviously it

mostly bothers

me b/c I'm a vegan, but it also bothers me that a day that is about giving

thanks for our

blessings has been made into a day about turkey. Just like how the

commercialization of

Christmas irritates me.

 

I'd love to hear some rants from other veg*ns. It would be nice to feel like

I'm not alone on

this.

 

We plan to go to a sanctuary this weekend to their " honor the turkeys " day.

Crummy that

there is such a thing...that we are honoring turkeys to counteract those that

aren't. And...with

that are we in a way making it about the turkeys too? Blah.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

It is kind of silly. It makes me think of my grandmother who lived

during the Great Depression and came out of it with this belief that

meat on the table is a sign of opulence and wealth. Then, as she became

more financially stable, she ensured that all meals revolved around the

" status symbol " of the meat dish. She called meals " fancy schmancy " if

there was more than one meat dish. We often had turkey and ham on

Thanksgiving . . . to be fancy schmancy. :-)

 

We adopt a turkey from the Farm Sanctuary each year around this time.

We choose a turkey from a list of adoptees, and send a donation to the

FS, and they take care of a rescued turkey and send us a picture of the

turkey we chose, and a bit of info about them. We have 9 or 10 turkey

pictures on top of the piano on the dining room now. :-) It is

probably still allowing Thanksgiving to be about turkeys, but it's about

saving them and not eating them, so I'm okay with that. It's a

conversation starter for anyone who comes in our house in the fall, and

the kids in the family (vegetarian and not) always want to see the

pictures and find out where they live (the CA shelter or the NY one).

 

I guess, in that vein, I'm still even okay with people saying Turkey Day

since we've altered it in our house to be a day of admiration for

turkeys, celebration that we saved the life of a turkey at the shelter,

and a gathering of family and friends, where we talk about honoring our

adopted/living turkey. :-) It's our new way of being fancy schmancy.

:-) And you should feel free to alter the day however you like, and

make it feel however you like - but you aren't going to be able to stop

Uncle Gus from saying Happy Turkey Day. :-) Hope it starts feeling

better for you soon! :-)

 

Happy Sweet Potato Day, :-)

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of ad00rable_1

Monday, November 17, 2008 11:31 AM

 

Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say " Turkey

Day "

 

Does this make anyone else as crazy as it makes me? GRRRRRRR! Obviously

it mostly bothers

me b/c I'm a vegan, but it also bothers me that a day that is about

giving thanks for our

blessings has been made into a day about turkey. Just like how the

commercialization of

Christmas irritates me.

 

I'd love to hear some rants from other veg*ns. It would be nice to feel

like I'm not alone on

this.

 

We plan to go to a sanctuary this weekend to their " honor the turkeys "

day. Crummy that

there is such a thing...that we are honoring turkeys to counteract those

that aren't. And...with

that are we in a way making it about the turkeys too? Blah.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am fairly negative towards Thanksgiving; while it is nice to gather with

family and friends, it represents a horrid time in American history.  The

destruction of the Native peoples and their way of life is ignored (or unknown)

by most.

 

Robin

 

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Dianna Lu <diannalu wrote:

 

Dianna Lu <diannalu

Re: Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say " Turkey Day "

 

Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:48 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was JUST Thinking this as I'm seeing it all over Facebook. " I can't wait for

Turkey Day! " GRrrrrrr

 

I think that's a nice idea to honor the turkeys. We have wild turkeys around our

neighborhood (and I am about 25 minutes from san francisco so yeah that

surprised me too) and when I gush about them to people they go, you know,

thanksgiving is coming up, and they laugh and wink and whatever. It makes me

nuts. They are very silly birds and sort of ugly but beautiful too. You should

have seen my cat the first time she saw them! She went right up to them to say

hi! They surrounded her . . . I didn't wait to see what happens next, I opened

the door and called her in and they trotted off.

 

But anyway. . . as an atheist who celebrates christmas (sort of) I shouldn't be

too judgemental I guess. I like the spirit of the season, I like giving to

others and seeing my family and friends. I like watching my daughter open her

presents. I like the lights and the music and the general festive feeling. So

for some people to think thanksgiving is all about the food is fair, I guess.

How can you blame them when all the commercial aspects of the holiday are SO BIG

and IN YOUR FACE. UGH the " win a turkey " contests! I just don't like it rubbed

in my face. Or for people to " feel sorry " for me because I don't eat turkey.

Hello? It's not like I'm allergic to it, I have made a choice and I'm very happy

with it. I can still gather with my family and think about all the things I have

to be grateful for. One major reason for gratitude? My parents followed me down

the happy path and don't eat meat anymore either.

 

:-)

 

stay sane!

 

Dee

 

-

ad00rable_1

@gro ups.com

Monday, November 17, 2008 11:31 AM

Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say " Turkey Day "

 

Does this make anyone else as crazy as it makes me? GRRRRRRR! Obviously it

mostly bothers

me b/c I'm a vegan, but it also bothers me that a day that is about giving

thanks for our

blessings has been made into a day about turkey. Just like how the

commercialization of

Christmas irritates me.

 

I'd love to hear some rants from other veg*ns. It would be nice to feel like I'm

not alone on

this.

 

We plan to go to a sanctuary this weekend to their " honor the turkeys " day.

Crummy that

there is such a thing...that we are honoring turkeys to counteract those that

aren't. And...with

that are we in a way making it about the turkeys too? Blah.

 

 

[Guest guest]

You really made me laugh! It is so crazy that people can't see clearly.

They have no idea that you can enjoy a day that is designed for Giving

Thanks without killing animals Coupled with the fact that we enjoy so many

vegetables and fruits

Meat eaters eat vegetables too. But I have noticed the American diet places

it's main focus on the animal. Or the user friendly word protein, when their

speaking to a Vegetarian

It is such a crazy life . Don't get up set . Teach them when you can and

keep doing the right thing

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[Guest guest]

I hate when people say " WHAT will you eat?? " as though there will be

no other food at Thanksgiving! I doubt any of them would be happy

eating ONLY the turkey!!

 

, " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer

wrote:

>

> Does this make anyone else as crazy as it makes me? GRRRRRRR!

Obviously it mostly bothers

> me b/c I'm a vegan, but it also bothers me that a day that is

about giving thanks for our

> blessings has been made into a day about turkey. Just like how the

commercialization of

> Christmas irritates me.

>

> I'd love to hear some rants from other veg*ns. It would be nice to

feel like I'm not alone on

> this.

>

> We plan to go to a sanctuary this weekend to their " honor the

turkeys " day. Crummy that

> there is such a thing...that we are honoring turkeys to counteract

those that aren't. And...with

> that are we in a way making it about the turkeys too? Blah.

>

[Guest guest]

I hate that! I mean I am new the veggie life; well kind of I stopped

eating meat at the end of last year. But still, it bothers me; it

really is bad when people will say what will you eat? As if there will

be nothing in the world I can't eat! And then my mother says I'm not

making you anything that I'm not already making, then she wants to pick

7 fish for our Christmas dinner? I don't much care, however calling

it " turkey Day " Isn't right, its not about Turkey, or Football, Or

Macys, its about being with family, (or at least that's what many

people want it to be without knowing or understanding the real meaning)

I really wish that we could get back to having that type of

thanksgiving, and not one where my aunt says " Its Turkey Day so we all

have to eat tons of food and then sleep the rest of the day " , Really?

That's what Thanksgiving means to her. Well thanks for posting!

 

Shae!

(sorry for Spelling mistakes, it that are any)

[Guest guest]

Robin,

My DH and I stopped celebrating Thanksgiving years ago for this

reason (and the turkey issue). We don't visit family on that day at

all and DD has never heard the story we were taught in school. Now,

we have begun to celebrate gratefullness on that day at home with our

DD. We have considered celebrating on a different day, maybe in line

with another country. But DH has tied the fall harvest into his

explanation - which, although is in line with nature, is the story we

were told in school minus the peoples. We are thinking about

celebrating, at home, in the spring as well. What, if anything, do

you all do?

 

You usually have plenty or resources to share. Do you have some for

this issue? I had several websites marked but they seem to have

disappeared and the ones I have found recently aren't as good. Any

resources directed toward children? We will homeschool and will

probably approach this subject next year (or the year after - DD is

very sensitive to harmful subjects).

 

Thanks,

Carrol

 

 

 

, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote:

>

> I am fairly negative towards Thanksgiving; while it is nice to

gather with family and friends, it represents a horrid time in

American history.  The destruction of the Native peoples and their

way of life is ignored (or unknown) by most.

>  

> Robin

>

> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Dianna Lu <diannalu wrote:

>

> Dianna Lu <diannalu

> Re: Ugh...it drives me nuts when people

say " Turkey Day "

>

> Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:48 PM

I was JUST Thinking this as I'm seeing it all over Facebook. " I

can't wait for Turkey Day! " GRrrrrrr

>

> I think that's a nice idea to honor the turkeys. We have wild

turkeys around our neighborhood (and I am about 25 minutes from san

francisco so yeah that surprised me too) and when I gush about them

to people they go, you know, thanksgiving is coming up, and they

laugh and wink and whatever. It makes me nuts. They are very silly

birds and sort of ugly but beautiful too. You should have seen my cat

the first time she saw them! She went right up to them to say hi!

They surrounded her . . . I didn't wait to see what happens next, I

opened the door and called her in and they trotted off.

>

> But anyway. . . as an atheist who celebrates christmas (sort of) I

shouldn't be too judgemental I guess. I like the spirit of the

season, I like giving to others and seeing my family and friends. I

like watching my daughter open her presents. I like the lights and

the music and the general festive feeling. So for some people to

think thanksgiving is all about the food is fair, I guess. How can

you blame them when all the commercial aspects of the holiday are SO

BIG and IN YOUR FACE. UGH the " win a turkey " contests! I just don't

like it rubbed in my face. Or for people to " feel sorry " for me

because I don't eat turkey. Hello? It's not like I'm allergic to it,

I have made a choice and I'm very happy with it. I can still gather

with my family and think about all the things I have to be grateful

for. One major reason for gratitude? My parents followed me down the

happy path and don't eat meat anymore either.

>

> :-)

>

> stay sane!

>

> Dee

>

> -

> ad00rable_1

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, November 17, 2008 11:31 AM

> Ugh...it drives me nuts when people

say " Turkey Day "

>

> Does this make anyone else as crazy as it makes me? GRRRRRRR!

Obviously it mostly bothers

> me b/c I'm a vegan, but it also bothers me that a day that is about

giving thanks for our

> blessings has been made into a day about turkey. Just like how the

commercialization of

> Christmas irritates me.

>

> I'd love to hear some rants from other veg*ns. It would be nice to

feel like I'm not alone on

> this.

>

> We plan to go to a sanctuary this weekend to their " honor the

turkeys " day. Crummy that

> there is such a thing...that we are honoring turkeys to counteract

those that aren't. And...with

> that are we in a way making it about the turkeys too? Blah.

>

>

[Guest guest]

A Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn is the best resource I

have found on the topic of native peoples.  Last year my daughter's seventh

grade social studies class read an excerpt a week from just before Columbus day

until Thanksgiving.  Most of the kids had not been exposed to the read stories

of Columbus, the development of the US, etc. 

 

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote:

 

rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail

Re: Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say " Turkey Day "

 

Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 1:03 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Robin,

My DH and I stopped celebrating Thanksgiving years ago for this

reason (and the turkey issue). We don't visit family on that day at

all and DD has never heard the story we were taught in school. Now,

we have begun to celebrate gratefullness on that day at home with our

DD. We have considered celebrating on a different day, maybe in line

with another country. But DH has tied the fall harvest into his

explanation - which, although is in line with nature, is the story we

were told in school minus the peoples. We are thinking about

celebrating, at home, in the spring as well. What, if anything, do

you all do?

 

You usually have plenty or resources to share. Do you have some for

this issue? I had several websites marked but they seem to have

disappeared and the ones I have found recently aren't as good. Any

resources directed toward children? We will homeschool and will

probably approach this subject next year (or the year after - DD is

very sensitive to harmful subjects).

 

Thanks,

Carrol

 

@gro ups.com, robin koloms <rkoloms > wrote:

>

> I am fairly negative towards Thanksgiving; while it is nice to

gather with family and friends, it represents a horrid time in

American history.  The destruction of the Native peoples and their

way of life is ignored (or unknown) by most.

>  

> Robin

>

> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Dianna Lu <diannalu@.. .> wrote:

>

> Dianna Lu <diannalu@.. .>

> Re: Ugh...it drives me nuts when people

say " Turkey Day "

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:48 PM

I was JUST Thinking this as I'm seeing it all over Facebook. " I

can't wait for Turkey Day! " GRrrrrrr

>

> I think that's a nice idea to honor the turkeys. We have wild

turkeys around our neighborhood (and I am about 25 minutes from san

francisco so yeah that surprised me too) and when I gush about them

to people they go, you know, thanksgiving is coming up, and they

laugh and wink and whatever. It makes me nuts. They are very silly

birds and sort of ugly but beautiful too. You should have seen my cat

the first time she saw them! She went right up to them to say hi!

They surrounded her . . . I didn't wait to see what happens next, I

opened the door and called her in and they trotted off.

>

> But anyway. . . as an atheist who celebrates christmas (sort of) I

shouldn't be too judgemental I guess. I like the spirit of the

season, I like giving to others and seeing my family and friends. I

like watching my daughter open her presents. I like the lights and

the music and the general festive feeling. So for some people to

think thanksgiving is all about the food is fair, I guess. How can

you blame them when all the commercial aspects of the holiday are SO

BIG and IN YOUR FACE. UGH the " win a turkey " contests! I just don't

like it rubbed in my face. Or for people to " feel sorry " for me

because I don't eat turkey. Hello? It's not like I'm allergic to it,

I have made a choice and I'm very happy with it. I can still gather

with my family and think about all the things I have to be grateful

for. One major reason for gratitude? My parents followed me down the

happy path and don't eat meat anymore either.

>

> :-)

>

> stay sane!

>

> Dee

>

> -

> ad00rable_1

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, November 17, 2008 11:31 AM

> Ugh...it drives me nuts when people

say " Turkey Day "

>

> Does this make anyone else as crazy as it makes me? GRRRRRRR!

Obviously it mostly bothers

> me b/c I'm a vegan, but it also bothers me that a day that is about

giving thanks for our

> blessings has been made into a day about turkey. Just like how the

commercialization of

> Christmas irritates me.

>

> I'd love to hear some rants from other veg*ns. It would be nice to

feel like I'm not alone on

> this.

>

> We plan to go to a sanctuary this weekend to their " honor the

turkeys " day. Crummy that

> there is such a thing...that we are honoring turkeys to counteract

those that aren't. And...with

> that are we in a way making it about the turkeys too? Blah.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Robin,

A belated thanks. I will look for this book.

Carrol

 

, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote:

>

> A Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn is the best

resource I have found on the topic of native peoples.  >

> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote:

 

> Robin,

> >

> You usually have plenty or resources to share. Do you have some for

> this issue? I had several websites marked but they seem to have

> disappeared and the ones I have found recently aren't as good. Any

> resources directed toward children? We will homeschool and will

> probably approach this subject next year (or the year after - DD is

> very sensitive to harmful subjects).

>

> Thanks,

> Carrol

>

> @gro ups.com, robin koloms <rkoloms@ > wrote:

> >

> > I am fairly negative towards Thanksgiving; while it is nice to

> gather with family and friends, it represents a horrid time in

> American history.  The destruction of the Native peoples and their

> way of life is ignored (or unknown) by most.

> >  

> > Robin

> >

[Guest guest]

Carrol,

 

You are welcome; Howard Zinn is a brilliant historian and I think that you will

learn so much from this book.  Keep in mind that this is not a kids' book,

though you will likely find excerpts that an older child can absorb; I think

that I mentioned that my daughter's 7th grade social studies class read

excerpts, I do not think that a younger child would be able to understand the

material.

 

Robin

 

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote:

 

rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail

Re: Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say " Turkey Day "

 

Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:45 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Robin,

A belated thanks. I will look for this book.

Carrol

 

@gro ups.com, robin koloms <rkoloms > wrote:

>

> A Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn is the best

resource I have found on the topic of native peoples.  >

> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail@ ...> wrote:

 

> Robin,

> >

> You usually have plenty or resources to share. Do you have some for

> this issue? I had several websites marked but they seem to have

> disappeared and the ones I have found recently aren't as good. Any

> resources directed toward children? We will homeschool and will

> probably approach this subject next year (or the year after - DD is

> very sensitive to harmful subjects).

>

> Thanks,

> Carrol

>

> @gro ups.com, robin koloms <rkoloms@ > wrote:

> >

> > I am fairly negative towards Thanksgiving; while it is nice to

> gather with family and friends, it represents a horrid time in

> American history.  The destruction of the Native peoples and their

> way of life is ignored (or unknown) by most.

> >  

> > Robin

> >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

My mom grew up during the Depression, and she became a vegetarian in

her 40s!!! She was a trailblazer for sure!

 

I read my son a book 'Twas the Night Before Thanksgiving by Dav

Pilkey. It is very nicely illustrated, but it doesn't hide any facts

about what happens to turkeys at Thanksgiving. Fortunately in this

story, the turkeys are saved by some children. My son's preschool

teacher knows that we are all veg*ns and occasionally asks me

questions about it. She told me last week that she was going to do a

turkey craft with the kids, but then started thinking about my son and

started to reconsider. I thought that was very nice of her. Most

people wouldn't care. I told her that it was fine. She said she also

started doing some research about turkey farming and found it

disturbing. I'm impressed that she's even thinking about it. A lot of

people don't try to understand why others are veg*n. They just

immediately judge.

 

, " Lorraine " <ldemi wrote:

>

> Hi,

> It is kind of silly. It makes me think of my grandmother who lived

> during the Great Depression and came out of it with this belief that

> meat on the table is a sign of opulence and wealth. Then, as she became

> more financially stable, she ensured that all meals revolved around the

> " status symbol " of the meat dish.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lisa,

What a WONDERFUL teacher your son has! That is amazing that she is so

thoughtful and careful about your family beliefs. 'Course, we're making

a pinecone turkey craft here at home today . . . to celebrate our love

for those gobbly birds. :-) I suggested that we make one for Grandma

and take it to her tomorrow as a gift - our son said he'd make one, show

it to Grandma, let her put it in the middle of the dinner table as a

decoration, but he'll be taking it back home with him. :-) To say he

loves the turkey is an understatement. :-)

 

And isn't that great that your mom came out of the Depression as a

vegetarian! I think my Grandmother living on a farm had a bit of a

different take on it . . . it was their livelihood and their emotional

" wealth " simultaneously. I think sometimes how that denial of a living

being affected her and my Grandfather, and my Mom's generation in the

family and mine. There has to be a hardening of the emotions to be able

to handle that life. And then I think how happy I am that I'm off to

make an organic cranberry relish and green beans and balsamic salad and

mulled cider and check on the garden . . . and not have to deal with a

dead bird on our table at all tomorrow. :-) Maybe our current economic

environment will suggest the freedom of vegetarianism to more folks like

the Depression did to your mom! :-)

 

Have a great weekend!

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of Lisa Veg*n

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:17 AM

 

Re: Ugh...it drives me nuts when people say

" Turkey Day "

 

My mom grew up during the Depression, and she became a vegetarian in

her 40s!!! She was a trailblazer for sure!

 

I read my son a book 'Twas the Night Before Thanksgiving by Dav

Pilkey. It is very nicely illustrated, but it doesn't hide any facts

about what happens to turkeys at Thanksgiving. Fortunately in this

story, the turkeys are saved by some children. My son's preschool

teacher knows that we are all veg*ns and occasionally asks me

questions about it. She told me last week that she was going to do a

turkey craft with the kids, but then started thinking about my son and

started to reconsider. I thought that was very nice of her. Most

people wouldn't care. I told her that it was fine. She said she also

started doing some research about turkey farming and found it

disturbing. I'm impressed that she's even thinking about it. A lot of

people don't try to understand why others are veg*n. They just

immediately judge.

 

@gro <%40>

ups.com, " Lorraine " <ldemi wrote:

>

> Hi,

> It is kind of silly. It makes me think of my grandmother who lived

> during the Great Depression and came out of it with this belief that

> meat on the table is a sign of opulence and wealth. Then, as she

became

> more financially stable, she ensured that all meals revolved around

the

> " status symbol " of the meat dish.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree. It is a shame really- but some people are not/ chose not too

educate themselves on the horror that actually takes place in killing

animals for food. Whether it be factory farming or the one off.

 

I would bet if everyone had to kill their own meat- there would be a

heck of alot more vegans.

 

It is sad, but some people choose not to know. What is the saying -

ignorance is bliss?

 

It is really nice that your son's preschool teacher thought enough to

look into it and also that she has compassion and understands your

beliefs a little better.

 

Josie

 

 

 

 

, " Lisa Veg*n " <vegetariankids

wrote:

>

> My mom grew up during the Depression, and she became a vegetarian in

> her 40s!!! She was a trailblazer for sure!

>

> I read my son a book 'Twas the Night Before Thanksgiving by Dav

> Pilkey. It is very nicely illustrated, but it doesn't hide any facts

> about what happens to turkeys at Thanksgiving. Fortunately in this

> story, the turkeys are saved by some children. My son's preschool

> teacher knows that we are all veg*ns and occasionally asks me

> questions about it. She told me last week that she was going to do a

> turkey craft with the kids, but then started thinking about my son

and

> started to reconsider. I thought that was very nice of her. Most

> people wouldn't care. I told her that it was fine. She said she also

> started doing some research about turkey farming and found it

> disturbing. I'm impressed that she's even thinking about it. A lot

of

> people don't try to understand why others are veg*n. They just

> immediately judge.

>

> , " Lorraine " <ldemi@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> > It is kind of silly. It makes me think of my grandmother who

lived

> > during the Great Depression and came out of it with this belief

that

> > meat on the table is a sign of opulence and wealth. Then, as she

became

> > more financially stable, she ensured that all meals revolved

around the

> > " status symbol " of the meat dish.

>

[Guest guest]

I just want to say how much I appreciate everyone's responses to my post. It

helped me

immensely to hear the suggestions, rants, and just all around understanding from

others

in the same boat. It really, really helped to read through the responses again

today as a

reminder that my immediate family are not the only ones out there who support a

compassionate Thanksgiving. My prayer for the day along with thanking God for my

many

blessings (including this wonderful group) will be that there are other out

there thinking

twice about having the remnants of a dead bird on their plate...whether it be

b/c of Sarah

Palin's interview, my postings for a compassionate Thanksgiving on myspace &

facebook,

or any other influence.

 

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you!

 

--

Take care & God bless.

 

Nancy

 

ÒUntil he extends his circle of compassion to all living things, man will not

himself find

peace.Ó Albert Schweitzer

 

Saving One Animal May Not Change The WorldÉ

But Surely, For That One Animal...

The World Will Change Forever!

 

Genesis 1:29-30

29 Then God said, " I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the

whole earth

and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30

And to all the

beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move

on the

groundÑeverything that has the breath of life in itÑI give every green plant for

food. "

And it was so.

 

Isaiah 11:6-10

" In that day the wolf and the lamb will lie down together, and the leopard and

goats will

be at peace. Calves and fat cattle will be safe among lions, and the little

child shall lead

them all. The cows will graze among bears; cubs and calves will lie down

together, and

lions will eat grass like the cows. . . Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my

holy mountain,

for as the waters fill the sea, so shall the earth be full of the knowledge of

the Lord. "

 

, " josephinemilotte " <josephinemilotte

wrote:

>

> I agree. It is a shame really- but some people are not/ chose not too

> educate themselves on the horror that actually takes place in killing

> animals for food. Whether it be factory farming or the one off.

>

> I would bet if everyone had to kill their own meat- there would be a

> heck of alot more vegans.

>

> It is sad, but some people choose not to know. What is the saying -

> ignorance is bliss?

>

> It is really nice that your son's preschool teacher thought enough to

> look into it and also that she has compassion and understands your

> beliefs a little better.

>

> Josie

>

>

>

>

> , " Lisa Veg*n " <vegetariankids@>

> wrote:

> >

> > My mom grew up during the Depression, and she became a vegetarian in

> > her 40s!!! She was a trailblazer for sure!

> >

> > I read my son a book 'Twas the Night Before Thanksgiving by Dav

> > Pilkey. It is very nicely illustrated, but it doesn't hide any facts

> > about what happens to turkeys at Thanksgiving. Fortunately in this

> > story, the turkeys are saved by some children. My son's preschool

> > teacher knows that we are all veg*ns and occasionally asks me

> > questions about it. She told me last week that she was going to do a

> > turkey craft with the kids, but then started thinking about my son

> and

> > started to reconsider. I thought that was very nice of her. Most

> > people wouldn't care. I told her that it was fine. She said she also

> > started doing some research about turkey farming and found it

> > disturbing. I'm impressed that she's even thinking about it. A lot

> of

> > people don't try to understand why others are veg*n. They just

> > immediately judge.

> >

> > , " Lorraine " <ldemi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > It is kind of silly. It makes me think of my grandmother who

> lived

> > > during the Great Depression and came out of it with this belief

> that

> > > meat on the table is a sign of opulence and wealth. Then, as she

> became

> > > more financially stable, she ensured that all meals revolved

> around the

> > > " status symbol " of the meat dish.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hope Grandma appreciated the extra dinner guest!

 

Actually my mom grew up on a farm, too. She would tell a story about

slaughter days when tons of people would come over to help out, and

then her mother would make a huge meal. She actually just brought this

up the other day. She and her sister would take eggs to the market to

exchange for other products. If there was a penny left over, they

could buy candy. What a different world! Her brothers hunted. I grew

up on a farm, although my father wasn't a farmer. It was a working

farm though...steers primarily. If anything, it made me more aware of

how aware and individual animals are. I've met people who didn't even

know that cows have fur. They thought they were like leather!!! Is

that unreal!?

 

Speaking of growing up with Depression-era family members, do you find

it difficult to throw anything away that might be useful to someone in

the world somewhere? Haaa! My husband and I both had parents of the

Depression (all of our parents were " old " when they had us), and we

both suffer from this affliction, which I guess is good for the

environment. Thank god for Freecycle and donation centers. I can't put

anything in a landfill that may be of use. My husband's father has a

collection of used toothbrushes (yes, used), plastic yogurt

containers, milk jugs, twisty ties, sneakers that he " retread " with

flipflops. It's insanity...but very " green, " I suppose!

 

, " Lorraine " <ldemi wrote:

>

> Hi Lisa,

> 'Course, we're making

> a pinecone turkey craft here at home today . . . to celebrate our love

> for those gobbly birds. :-) I suggested that we make one for Grandma

> and take it to her tomorrow as a gift - our son said he'd make one, show

> it to Grandma, let her put it in the middle of the dinner table as a

> decoration, but he'll be taking it back home with him. :-) To say he

> loves the turkey is an understatement. :-)

>

> And isn't that great that your mom came out of the Depression as a

> vegetarian! I think my Grandmother living on a farm had a bit of a

> different take on it . . . it was their livelihood and their emotional

> " wealth " simultaneously.

[Guest guest]

I agree, Josie. I've had a lot of people tell me they don't even think

about it, bc they know it would bother them. I guess they choose to

live mindlessly when it comes to their food.

, " josephinemilotte "

<josephinemilotte wrote:

>

>

> It is sad, but some people choose not to know. What is the saying -

> ignorance is bliss?

>