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Hi everyone,

 

My name is Sarah and I'm new to the group.  My son Mark is 2 and has been

vegetarian since birth--for various reasons, but not because of any food

allergies.  We eat eggs, dairy products, and occasional fish, but no red meat,

pork, chicken.  A concerned family member recently told me that her nutritionist

raised concerns about my feeding my son unfermented soy products (vs. fermented)

and this possibly leading to developmental problems, specifically with his

developing hormone system and muscle growth.  I did a brief on-line search and

found a couple of fear-based websites that I didn't find too reputable about the

" dangers of soy " .

 

Has anyone out there heard about this?  Anyone know of a reputable source that I

can point her to? (And reassure myself?)   I don't feed him a ton of soy, but

probably once a week (or once every 2 weeks) he has sauteed tofu or Morningstar

" chicken " nuggets.

 

On a side note, my step-son has been raised completely vegan due to severe

animal product allergies and has had no problems with hormal development that

I'm aware of (just beginning his teenage years and his voice is changing just

fine... ) and my vegetarian step-daughter has also consumed her fair share of

soy and seems to be develping normally as well (menses began at a normal age,

etc.).

 

On another side note, how do others cope with family members who express their

concern about children not getting enough nutrients from non-meat sources??  I

don't want to feel judged, but want to thank them for their concern.

 

Thank you!!

 

Sarah

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Sarah and welcome!

 

If you seach the message archives for " soy " and " protein " you will find several

resources from previous discussions; or you can sit tight and you will get many

helpful suggestions over the the few days.

 

Robin

 

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Sarah Fraley <fraley_sarah wrote:

 

Sarah Fraley <fraley_sarah

Unfermented soy products--should I worry?

 

Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 3:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

My name is Sarah and I'm new to the group.  My son Mark is 2 and has been

vegetarian since birth--for various reasons, but not because of any food

allergies.  We eat eggs, dairy products, and occasional fish, but no red meat,

pork, chicken.  A concerned family member recently told me that her nutritionist

raised concerns about my feeding my son unfermented soy products (vs. fermented)

and this possibly leading to developmental problems, specifically with his

developing hormone system and muscle growth.  I did a brief on-line search and

found a couple of fear-based websites that I didn't find too reputable about the

" dangers of soy " .

 

Has anyone out there heard about this?  Anyone know of a reputable source that I

can point her to? (And reassure myself?)   I don't feed him a ton of soy, but

probably once a week (or once every 2 weeks) he has sauteed tofu or Morningstar

" chicken " nuggets.

 

On a side note, my step-son has been raised completely vegan due to severe

animal product allergies and has had no problems with hormal development that

I'm aware of (just beginning his teenage years and his voice is changing just

fine... ) and my vegetarian step-daughter has also consumed her fair share of

soy and seems to be develping normally as well (menses began at a normal age,

etc.).

 

On another side note, how do others cope with family members who express their

concern about children not getting enough nutrients from non-meat sources??  I

don't want to feel judged, but want to thank them for their concern.

 

Thank you!!

 

Sarah

 

 

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Hi-

    It sounds like to me this 'nutritionist' (no, I'm not skeptical at all,

really!) is referring to the estrogen-mimicking properties of soy. Does this

sound familiar?  I have never heard ANYTHING related to the soy having been

fermented vs. unfermented, but am wondering at this point if this is why some

soy gives me a stomach ache and other types of soy do not! At any rate, I have

read various places about this and all of the what I considered 'reputable'

sources said that it's nothing to worry about. I'm hoping that someone else has

some more up-to-date info and more specifics for you.

    As an aside, I'm wondering what the heck this relative was doing discussing

what you feed your kid with her nutritionist. I have two things to say about

that: 1) I would suggest, very nicely, that she find a nutritionist who knows a

little more about veg nutrition, because this one probably does not, and 2) the

billions of Asian kids who have been eating soy in all its glorious forms for

thousands of years, probably on a DAILY basis, are testament to the normal

'development' that can be had with soy products. As well, their consumption of

soy protein is probably at least in part responsible for their far higher life

expectancies in Asian countries, as opposed to our very dismal longevity rates

in this country-especially considering we're first world and most of them are

not. Your step daughter had menses at a normal age probably BECAUSE of her veg

diet; menses, as I'm sure you know, has been occuring at earlier and earlier

ages-to the great

detriment of girls' health- and one of the main suspects for this is all the

hormones etc. in meat and dairy products. I'd say THAT is more of a hormonal

concern than what might be in soy, fermented or not.

    As for thanking the relative for her concern, I'd say just that: " I

appreciate your concern, but my dietary choices for my lovely child have been

very well-researched, and the dangers of feeding him meat and dairy far outweigh

any concerns about soy. But I'll keep it in mind " . For me, the 'I'll keep it in

mind' gives those well-meaning relatives satisfaction because it means that you

listened to them, are considering what they have to say, but then you can

actually let it go out of your mind without a second thought. Hope this helps!

jenni

 

 

 

 

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Sarah Fraley <fraley_sarah

 

Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:18:20 PM

Unfermented soy products--should I worry?

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

My name is Sarah and I'm new to the group.  My son Mark is 2 and has been

vegetarian since birth--for various reasons, but not because of any food

allergies.  We eat eggs, dairy products, and occasional fish, but no red meat,

pork, chicken.  A concerned family member recently told me that her nutritionist

raised concerns about my feeding my son unfermented soy products (vs. fermented)

and this possibly leading to developmental problems, specifically with his

developing hormone system and muscle growth.  I did a brief on-line search and

found a couple of fear-based websites that I didn't find too reputable about the

" dangers of soy " .

 

Has anyone out there heard about this?  Anyone know of a reputable source that I

can point her to? (And reassure myself?)   I don't feed him a ton of soy, but

probably once a week (or once every 2 weeks) he has sauteed tofu or Morningstar

" chicken " nuggets.

 

On a side note, my step-son has been raised completely vegan due to severe

animal product allergies and has had no problems with hormal development that

I'm aware of (just beginning his teenage years and his voice is changing just

fine... ) and my vegetarian step-daughter has also consumed her fair share of

soy and seems to be develping normally as well (menses began at a normal age,

etc.).

 

On another side note, how do others cope with family members who express their

concern about children not getting enough nutrients from non-meat sources??  I

don't want to feel judged, but want to thank them for their concern.

 

Thank you!!

 

Sarah

 

 

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Sarah,

 

Much like dairy and many other foods, fermented soy products can be much

easier to digest. In our family, we focus on tempeh, miso and yogurt when

we eat soy foods. I would recommend this if you're concerned about the

nutrient viability in soy.

 

There's a lot of scare-mongering right now about soy, much of it courtesy of

the Western A. Price Foundation. There are reasons to be concerned about

soy but the risks have been greatly exaggerated. It's important to eat a

varied diet, to avoid focusing your entire diet around soy, and to refrain

from processed foods containing soy, like packaged fake analogues. It's

common for these foods to take a center stage during the transitional period

into a veg*n diet, but ultimately they should be largely phased out in favor

of whole foods - whole grains, vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, other beans

and so on. Surely it's fine to take in some processed foods in small

amounts, including those based on isolated soy protein, but in my opinion,

they should be thought of as a treat and not as a real food or a normal part

of an everyday diet.

 

When it comes to soy, processed soy is the biggest risk. Soybean oil is a

common ingredient in processed, packaged foods. Isolated soy protein is a

common component of meat analogues and it's also a filler in many processed,

packaged foods. Soy lecithin, soy protein

shakes/powders/capsules/supplements, etc., and other extracts of soy are

also problematic. The best way to have soy is in a form as close to its

original source as possible. Edamame, tempeh, miso and yogurt are the best

options for good health and digestibility, but again, these should only be

one part of a varied diet. Barring allergies, sensitivity or overuse,

including soy in the diet should be neutral to beneficial rather than

harmful. As for what you feed your son right now, the tofu should be fine

but maybe you could try breading and baking seitan for nuggets instead of

buying something as heavily processed as a Morningstar Farms product.

 

I would be wary of " he-said she-said " when it comes to family members or

friends who may be well-intentioned but also have limited information about

the way you live in your daily life. A concerned family member mentioning *

your* vegetarianism to *his or her* nutritionist is very suspect. I

understand that this family member is just trying to be helpful and may be

trying to allay their own fears, but quite frankly, it simply is not their

business, and it's very presumptuous for them to pass on second-hand

information from a provider who does not know you and is in no position to

be making recommendations for your family.

 

I will be very honest with you about the issue of dealing with family

members' concern. My family has been vegan (except for honey, which is a

recent addition) since my son was 3 weeks old. This has been our family

diet for almost four years. My children have always been normal-sized

(actually, tall for their age), very healthy and advanced in their

development. They crave healthy foods and they're so smart and lovely and

simply delicious. And I let that speak for itself. I spent a lot of time,

when my son was a baby, researching everything to death and trying to

convince everyone around me that it was okay to raise a child vegan. I

would share articles and statistics and books and letters. And none of it

had the slightest effect on anyone. Everyone started out completely

convinced that my children would probably die or at least be very depressed

and tiny and sickly, and my grandmother was also of the opinion that without

the joy of McDonald's, my kids would probably blow up their schools. (I am

not exaggerating.) Talking about it to death, constantly trying to convince

other people, just made me look insecure and desperate for validation - and

I was. As my kids have grown and demonstrated every day of their lives that

they are normal and healthy, doing better than most of their peers, I've

quieted down - and so has everyone else. I let my healthy kids speak for

themselves. I don't try to convince anyone anymore. I just smile. If

people try to make recommendations or pick my kids apart for evidence of

deficiency, I repeat my mantra: " We're always evaluating our diet and doing

the best we can. The kids are healthy but there's always room for

improvement. I appreciate your concern for our kids' health and I know they

do, too. " Then I change the subject. If the person continues to press, I

say, kindly but firmly, " Again, I appreciate your concern, but this is my

family and we will do what we feel is best after we've researched as best we

can and experimented to find our own needs. Please respect my family's

autonomy in this issue, just as I respect yours. " And then I do not allow

more discussion on the issue. Of course, this conversation would be very

different if the person showed an honest desire to learn and understand, but

this is rare when it comes to our families.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Chandelle

Whole Food Whole Family <http://www.wholefoodwholefamily.blogspot.com>

 

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Sarah Fraley <fraley_sarahwrote:

 

> Hi everyone,

>

> My name is Sarah and I'm new to the group. My son Mark is 2 and has been

> vegetarian since birth--for various reasons, but not because of any food

> allergies. We eat eggs, dairy products, and occasional fish, but no red

> meat, pork, chicken. A concerned family member recently told me that her

> nutritionist raised concerns about my feeding my son unfermented soy

> products (vs. fermented) and this possibly leading to developmental

> problems, specifically with his developing hormone system and muscle

> growth. I did a brief on-line search and found a couple of fear-based

> websites that I didn't find too reputable about the " dangers of soy " .

>

> Has anyone out there heard about this? Anyone know of a reputable source

> that I can point her to? (And reassure myself?) I don't feed him a ton of

> soy, but probably once a week (or once every 2 weeks) he has sauteed tofu or

> Morningstar " chicken " nuggets.

>

> On a side note, my step-son has been raised completely vegan due to severe

> animal product allergies and has had no problems with hormal development

> that I'm aware of (just beginning his teenage years and his voice is

> changing just fine... ) and my vegetarian step-daughter has also consumed

> her fair share of soy and seems to be develping normally as well (menses

> began at a normal age, etc.).

>

> On another side note, how do others cope with family members who express

> their concern about children not getting enough nutrients from non-meat

> sources?? I don't want to feel judged, but want to thank them for their

> concern.

>

> Thank you!!

>

> Sarah

>

>

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