Turkey news

[Guest guest]

This morning I actually slept until the alarm woke me up (rare occasion with a

2.5 year old).  But, it wasn't hip hop music I awoke to, however.  It was a

prank phone call from a dj at the station to the Butterball Help Line.  He had

gone into great detail about how he had purchased/caught (can't remember, as I

was a bit groggy) a wild turkey.  He wanted the woman on the help line to give

him the best way to kill the turkey, and she was absolutely appalled at him and

his suggestions to wring it's neck or use a machete.  She was in tears beggin

him to purchase a turkey that was more humanely killed (oxymoron)  from

Butterball.  He was getting mad at her for not helping him to kill it, she

explained that she was only there to give recipe and cooking idea and help. 

I hate talk radio, yet I continued to listen, awaiting the revelation of the

help line woman to see how she was contradicting herself...

My best girlfriend from college is a huge PETA supporter, forwards all her

emails to us, and even listed PETA as a holiday contribution she will make.

My questions lie in : How can people draw a line where there is none?  If my

friend is a PETA supporter and hate animal abuse, shouldn't she be living more

of a vegan lifestyle?  If the woman on the help line was shocked to have this

caller tell her he would allow the headless turkey to roam in the yard for his

children to watch (he was a joking dj), isn't she assisting in the whole " turkey

based " thanksgiving and by supporting Butterball she is contributing to it all?

I thought this went along with the unhappy thread on a non-thanks centered

thanksgiving.

Cassie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to comment on the lady whose sister was going to shove

meat down her kid's throat.

Although I am not a vegetarian, I support the choice that my daughter

made when she was 8 years old. We were eating barbecue and the

restaurant where we were eating had these cute cartoons of a smiling

pig and smiling cow- if any of you are in South and Central Texas,

you will know what place I am talking about. My daughter was looking

at the pictures and looked down at her food and looked at the

pictures again and could not finish her food. Although we never lied

about where meat came from, it really clicked for her that night. I

had a backlash from family members (her Dad's) when I told them to

please not force her to eat meat when she went over, telling us that

we were letting the child control and telling us we should trick her.

We stood our ground and told them that we would not force our child

to do something she was morally opposed to. Of course they said this

would turn into not wanting to bathe or brush her teeth and her

running over me(which it didn't)I still support my child who is now

about to turn twelve. She is perfectly happy eating her sides for

Thanksgiving. I think most of the time, if your Thanksgiving is a

buffet style, no one notices what you get and there is always some

glutton who will over serve themselves anyway. I think there are ways

to help your niece without " appearing " that you are going against

your sister (which I think, if I know sisters) may have been the

bigger issue.

But am not psychologist.

Good Luck!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet

wrote:

>

> This morning I actually slept until the alarm woke me up (rare

occasion with a 2.5 year old).  But, it wasn't hip hop music I awoke

to, however.  It was a prank phone call from a dj at the station to

the Butterball Help Line.  He had gone into great detail about how he

had purchased/caught (can't remember, as I was a bit groggy) a wild

turkey.  He wanted the woman on the help line to give him the best

way to kill the turkey, and she was absolutely appalled at him and

his suggestions to wring it's neck or use a machete.  She was in

tears beggin him to purchase a turkey that was more humanely killed

(oxymoron)  from Butterball.  He was getting mad at her for not

helping him to kill it, she explained that she was only there to give

recipe and cooking idea and help. 

> I hate talk radio, yet I continued to listen, awaiting the

revelation of the help line woman to see how she was contradicting

herself...

> My best girlfriend from college is a huge PETA supporter, forwards

all her emails to us, and even listed PETA as a holiday contribution

she will make.

> My questions lie in : How can people draw a line where there is

none?  If my friend is a PETA supporter and hate animal abuse,

shouldn't she be living more of a vegan lifestyle?  If the woman on

the help line was shocked to have this caller tell her he would allow

the headless turkey to roam in the yard for his children to watch (he

was a joking dj), isn't she assisting in the whole " turkey based "

thanksgiving and by supporting Butterball she is contributing to it

all?

> I thought this went along with the unhappy thread on a non-thanks

centered thanksgiving.

> Cassie

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

I wonder what your sister's cholesterol is...

 

--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb wrote:

 

Jacqueline Bodnar <jb

RE: Re: Turkey news

 

Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cevavila2004 wrote " I think there are ways

to help your niece without " appearing " that you are going against

your sister (which I think, if I know sisters) may have been the

bigger issue. "

 

I don't think so. The real issue is that my sister and her husband are

one of those hunting/fishing " I love to kill animals " kinds of people.

My sister pretty much ONLY eats meat, it's sick really. She doesn't like

fruits/vegetables at all. She eats pork about five days per week for

dinner. And she is always bringing meat up to me when I talk to her on

the phone. She likes to brag about the hunting and what they are eating.

I call it her digs. It was more like a case of she can dish it but can't

take it. :-)

 

Jacqueline

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yikes! Your work is cut out for you! If I suspected all that I would

not have made the presumption to think part of it had to do with

sibling rivalry. Good luck! And not that it will make you feel better

now, but if your niece is old enough, she will remember your honesty

with her. And maybe she won't get caught up in her family's

mentality. There is a chance- after all you and you sister came from

the same family.

, " Jacqueline Bodnar " <jb wrote:

>

> Cevavila2004 wrote " I think there are ways

> to help your niece without " appearing " that you are going against

> your sister (which I think, if I know sisters) may have been the

> bigger issue. "

>

> I don't think so. The real issue is that my sister and her husband

are

> one of those hunting/fishing " I love to kill animals " kinds of

people.

> My sister pretty much ONLY eats meat, it's sick really. She doesn't

like

> fruits/vegetables at all. She eats pork about five days per week for

> dinner. And she is always bringing meat up to me when I talk to her

on

> the phone. She likes to brag about the hunting and what they are

eating.

> I call it her digs. It was more like a case of she can dish it but

can't

> take it. :-)

>

> Jacqueline

>

[Guest guest]

Just what I was thinking. Her health is good? Has she had her bone

density checked? One salad must put her on the toilet for hours. Ugh,

I can't even imagine!

 

I'll admit that I tend to volley back and forth between vegan and

vegetarian, but my skin just crawls at the thought of flesh in my

mouth. It gets especially gruesome when my family thinks they're being

funny or cute by slipping my son a slice of turkey in his sandwich or

real hotdogs instead of 'smart dogs' when they watch him. Of course,

he gets sick and irratable and they tell me that he was misbehaved the

rest of the day.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jacqueline,

This is an interesting article - even more interesting is that all 3

comments posted are from veg*ns. That's nice to see it isn't a big

argument amongst readers. (yet) :-) The other day, I was doing a

craft with our 4-year-old on the living room floor, and had the Planet

Green's Emeril show in the background so I could hear the Thanksgiving

recipes he was teaching - just to get ideas. Our son dropped what he

was doing at the mention of one recipe, and stared at the tv and said

slowly, " people EAT turkeys?! " He pointed to the pictures of adopted

turkeys in our dining room and said, " like those turkeys? " He was

appalled. I realized that he knows that some people in other families

eat meat, but he didn't yet understand that our celebration of turkeys

on Thanksgiving was in opposition to the eating of turkeys in other

homes. He hadn't linked that yet. Since no one in our family eats

turkey, we haven't had to explain that . . . we just explained to him

that his cousins eat different chicken nuggets than he eats (vegan ones

from Native Foods restaurant are way different than chickens). That was

enough of a culture shock for him for a while. :-)

 

Thanks for the article. And if you have time, please send us the

link/reminder when your op-ed comes out!

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of Jacqueline Bodnar

Friday, November 21, 2008 10:06 AM

 

RE: Re: Turkey news

 

Here's an article on Thanksgiving and vegetarians:

http://www.newsweek <http://www.newsweek.com/id/169906> .com/id/169906

 

On another note - I will have an op/ed piece in this Sunday's edition of

the Orlando Sentinel newspaper. It's about teaching kids compassion this

Thanksgiving. :-)

 

Jacqueline

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This may be kind of graphic for some, so you are for warned....

 

Today, on the news there was a piece with Sarah Palin, and she was

speaking in front of a place where they were killing turkeys behind

her - they at least censored part of what they were doing, but you

could tell they were still pushing it into this hopper thing -some of

it was not censored, but you could still see what the result was.

Apparently, she was told what was going on behind her, but she didn't

care. Part of the media was about how she decided to do the piece in

front of this stuff, not caring for the graphic nature of it.

Ugh. She just gets worse and worse, Grrrrr, I'm so glad the election

went the way it did.The tagling under her was that she pardoned one

turkey while others were killed behind her. At least they made it a

point of it not being appropriate (and they did sensor part of it -

but still...)

 

We have a potluck with our son's classmates/families (it's a small

private school) and so, we are bringing what we said we would bring

(some awesome herbed rolls my son and I made) and I also made just a

few things for us, as I don't expect we'll be able to have most things

there (our son has a milk protein allergy, so anything with

butter/milk is out, and our family is as a whole largely vegan) So I

made a tofurkey (Bryanna's recipe, but I steamed it, and finished it

off in the oven) and I made gravy, and mashed potatoes and sweet

potatoes (with a pinch of cardamom YUM!). I'm happy to share our

tofurkey, but I don't think that anyone will ask us for some. I'd be

thrilled if they did...but I'm not counting on it. I'm looking at it

as a way to have a dry run for Thanksgiving at my in-laws house

(though they have acomodated us in that they use olive oil or a vegan

margarine that they now use daily - the Smart Balance Light I think it

is, says vegan right on the side, and is available all over - (my mom

even uses it now instead of whatever she used before.

 

It's taken many years to get them to this point, which surprised us,

considering the food allergy - but whatever. It's a lot less stressful

bringing the moveable feast everywhere...but at least we don't have to

make the whole thing.

 

Missie

 

 

 

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Cassie Dixon

<roxy87cabriolet wrote:

> This morning I actually slept until the alarm woke me up (rare occasion with

> a 2.5 year old). But, it wasn't hip hop music I awoke to, however. It was

> a prank phone call from a dj at the station to the Butterball Help Line. He

> had gone into great detail about how he had purchased/caught (can't

> remember, as I was a bit groggy) a wild turkey. He wanted the woman on the

> help line to give him the best way to kill the turkey, and she was

> absolutely appalled at him and his suggestions to wring it's neck or use a

> machete. She was in tears beggin him to purchase a turkey that was more

> humanely killed (oxymoron) from Butterball. He was getting mad at her for

> not helping him to kill it, she explained that she was only there to give

> recipe and cooking idea and help.

> I hate talk radio, yet I continued to listen, awaiting the revelation of the

> help line woman to see how she was contradicting herself...

> My best girlfriend from college is a huge PETA supporter, forwards all her

> emails to us, and even listed PETA as a holiday contribution she will make.

> My questions lie in : How can people draw a line where there is none? If my

> friend is a PETA supporter and hate animal abuse, shouldn't she be living

> more of a vegan lifestyle? If the woman on the help line was shocked to

> have this caller tell her he would allow the headless turkey to roam in the

> yard for his children to watch (he was a joking dj), isn't she assisting in

> the whole " turkey based " thanksgiving and by supporting Butterball she is

> contributing to it all?

> I thought this went along with the unhappy thread on a non-thanks centered

> thanksgiving.

> Cassie

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know, I thought the same thing. When I was in the hospital delivering my

second child, my daughter asked her grandpa (my inlaws were watching Lillian)

for a piece of chicken from his chinese food. He gave her a piece, which she

chewed and promptly spit out. Grandma's response to this was 'Good Girl!' (thank

goodness). My husband told me about this somewhat guiltily when I was still in a

post-baby glow, and I don't think it really sunk in. Once I had a chance to

think about it I became extremely angry. I told him to tell his dad if it ever

happens again he will never babysit my kids again. This would be terrible all

the way around, as my in laws are the only people who have ever babysat my three

kids, and there is lots of mutual love. At any rate, we all talked about it

casually and Grandma assured me it would never happen again.

Something like this is absolutely unacceptable. It can make your son very ill

(as they found out!) and they're lucky he wasn't more violently so. This kind of

stuff makes me so mad! They wouldn't think it was so funny if you tried to put

some of your 'vegetarian propaganda' on their kids, or forced them to go to a

different church, etc. GGGRRRR.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Jacqueline Bodnar <jb

 

Friday, November 21, 2008 12:14:09 PM

RE: Re: Turkey news

 

 

Stacey wrote " It gets especially gruesome when my family thinks they're

being

funny or cute by slipping my son a slice of turkey in his sandwich or

real hotdogs instead of 'smart dogs' when they watch him. "

 

If someone in my family did that it would be the last time they were

alone with my kids. :-)

They know how serious I am about feeding them only vegetarian food. They

don't want any of my wrath! LOL

 

Jacqueline

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Do not let your son stay alone with those people! That is heinous! He isn't used

to that stuff and he's probably feeling sick from it, poor thing. No wonder he'd

misbehave, so would I. NOT cool. I don't see how they could think it was funny,

it sound really malicious to me. What if you took their dog and fed it

chocolate? Or took their kids for the day and took them to satanic rituals or

something ? :-) Anyway that kind of stuff sure gets my goat.

 

Dee

-

" Stacey " <bandana.mama

 

Friday, November 21, 2008 8:10:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific

Re: Turkey news

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just what I was thinking. Her health is good? Has she had her bone

density checked? One salad must put her on the toilet for hours. Ugh,

I can't even imagine!

 

I'll admit that I tend to volley back and forth between vegan and

vegetarian, but my skin just crawls at the thought of flesh in my

mouth. It gets especially gruesome when my family thinks they're being

funny or cute by slipping my son a slice of turkey in his sandwich or

real hotdogs instead of 'smart dogs' when they watch him. Of course,

he gets sick and irratable and they tell me that he was misbehaved the

rest of the day.