Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 That is awful and so misleading; thank you for the link, I will definitely write to them. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jbwrote: > Hi all, > > Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the mail > yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But as > I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the > recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I > wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I > read. > > They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant > protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women > consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, > you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice > and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " > > Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? > I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies and > have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was that > recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like that. > > If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them > here: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/contactUs > > By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the number > where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more > wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal > protein every day. > > Cheers, > Jacqueline > > > -- Regards, Vibeke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Here is my letter to them: I am disappointed about data posted in your subscription information to users of your product. At no time has any medical doctor or nutritionist/dietitian recommended the inclusion of animal protein in a pregnant woman's diet. A diet that includes saturated fat from animal sources is an unhealthy diet. With a little research and perhaps some solid medical information, a pregnant woman can properly feed herself and her growing baby eating a healthy diet which includes plants sources of protein like beans, nuts and seeds, especially soy beans and milk. With the ongoing damage to our environment through factory farming and the health hazards short and long term from eating a diet high in animal products, I think the more responsible thing for your corporation to do is to encourage a healthy diet that supports vegetable sources of protein rather than animal. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jbwrote: > Hi all, > > Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the mail > yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But as > I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the > recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I > wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I > read. > > They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant > protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women > consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, > you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice > and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " > > Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? > I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies and > have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was that > recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like that. > > If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them > here: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/contactUs > > By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the number > where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more > wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal > protein every day. > > Cheers, > Jacqueline > > > -- Regards, Vibeke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I did not recieve the below mentioned mail, but at my OB/GYN's offfice, with both of my last two pregnancies,the Nurse Practitioner/Genetic Counselor, upon finding out that I was a vegetarian, asked me if I was 'combining proteins'. I guess it's been awhile since she was in school- or never had any nutritional ed (big shock)- because no one has thought you needed to combine proteins in about 20 years. I guess the geniuses at Pampers are still on that bandwagon, too. Nice. --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb wrote: Jacqueline Bodnar <jb Pampers Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:20 AM Hi all, Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the mail yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But as I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I read. They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies and have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was that recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like that. If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them here: http://www.pampers. com/en_US/ contactUs By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the number where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal protein every day. Cheers, Jacqueline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 How frustrating! What a backslide! I hope nobody reads this and lessens their resolve to do the right thing for their baby. Very sad. I wrote them a little note but sadly it's out there already. Food combining even. How long since you've heard that one? sheesh. Thanks for pointing that out. Dee On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar wrote: > Hi all, > > Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the > mail > yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But > as > I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the > recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I > wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I > read. > > They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant > protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women > consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, > you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice > and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " > > Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? > I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies > and > have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was > that > recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like > that. > > If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them > here: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/contactUs > > By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the > number > where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more > wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal > protein every day. > > Cheers, > Jacqueline > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Ok, but this is Pampers we're talking about. One of those disposable diaper companies that might as well take out stock in our landfills. Being a mom of a baby/now toddler has really opened my eyes to how economic the whole baby industry is. For example, I just can't believe Gerber really cares at all about helping people feed their children and develop healthy tastes. They paint themselves as experts, but really they're just after the dollar value. Sorry about the rant. Hope you all are having a nice day! -Sarah " Desire the well-being of your fellow creature, eyeing his good fortune benevolently. Let his honor be as precious to you as your own, for you and your fellow are one and the same. " ---Moses Cordovero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Proctor & Gamble now offers " Pampers Village " under the Pampers' Parenting Network. In the online version (see http://www.pampers.com/en_US/parenting-articles/protein-requirements-during-preg\ nancy/4495 ), Margaret Freda, Ed.D., R.N., C.H.E.S., F.A.A.N. offers this poorly-considered advice: You should pay attention not only to the amount of protein you consume but to the type of protein as well. Pregnant women need to eat what's considered " quality " protein†" that is, protein containing large amounts of all the required amino acids. Most animal protein is quality protein, while most plant protein is not. That's why experts recommend that pregnant women consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or a vegan (someone who does not eat any animal products, including dairy), you'll need to eat special combinations of plant proteins, like rice and beans together, for instance, to make sure you get all the amino acids. Also on this site, Heidi Murkoff, author of the What to Expect Book Series and WhattoExpect.com suggests: What are your best protein choices? Go for lean meats, including beef, pork, turkey, and chicken, which will earn you the most bang for your protein buck (seven grams of protein per ounce!). Nuts, yogurt, milk, cheese, cottage cheese, and tofu are other good sources. You can rev up the protein content of your milk by adding a spoonful or two of powdered milk. This portable protein booster (stash some in a resealable plastic bag in your purse) is also a great addition to oatmeal or a yogurt-and-fruit smoothie. (Wow, you get calcium, vitamins, fiber, and protein all at once!). P & G is perpetuating the protein myth and setting the unborn, our fellow earthings, and our planet up for a lifetime of problems. Here are (some) counterpoints from Dr. Fuhrman, in " Disease-Proof your Child " : Page 28: We get too much protein, carbohydrate, and fat and insufficient micronutrients. This predicament promotes disease. Simply put, the goal of a healthy diet is to get the most micronutrients, both in amount and diversity, from the fewest calories. ... Protein deficiency is not a concern for anyone in the developed world. It is almost impossible to consume too little protein, no matter what you eat, unless the diet is significantly deficient in calories and other nutrients as well. Page 29: Most vegetables have more protein per calorie than meat and more calcium per calorie than milk. Nobody can consume too little protein by eating less animal products and substituting more vegetables, beans, nuts, and seeds. The focus on the importance of protein in the diet is one of the major reasons we have been led down the wrong path to dietary suicide. We were taught to equate protein with good nutrition and have thought that animal products, not vegetables, whole grains, beans, nuts and seeds, are our best source of protein. We bought a false bill of goods, and the dairy-and-meat-heavy diet brought forth a heart attack and cancer epidemic. …it is a myth repeated over and over that plant proteins are " incomplete " and need to be " complemented " for adequate protein. In fact, all vegetables and grains contain all eight of the essential amino acids (as well as the 12 other nonessential ones). Page 30: Animal protein does not contain antioxidants and phytochemicals, plant protein does. Plus, animal protein is married to saturated fat, the most dangerous type of fat. Page 31: All animals, directly or indirectly, receive protein (amino acids) from plants. Dr. Neil Barnard adds: Protein needs increase by about 30 percent during pregnancy. While there may be concern over whether protein intake is adequate at such an important time, most vegetarian women eat more than enough protein to meet their needs during pregnancy. With ample consumption of protein-rich foods such as legumes, nuts, seeds, vegetables, and whole grains, protein needs can easily be met during pregnancy. I would add that the consumption of animal products is morally indefensible, it greatly exacerbates problems with global warming, rainforest destruction, unsustainable demands on fresh water supplies, devastating pollution of both fresh water and ocean water, poor use of land, soil erosion, destruction of indigineous plant life, increased energy dependence, and world hunger. Please email the site: http://babycare.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/babycare.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php or email P & G: http://pg.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/pg.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php and ask that they stop promoting the consumption of animal products--for anyone! , " Jacqueline Bodnar " <jb wrote: > > Hi all, > > Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the mail > yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But as > I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the > recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I > wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I > read. > > They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant > protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women > consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, > you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice > and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " > > Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? > I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies and > have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was that > recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like that. > > If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them > here: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/contactUs > > By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the number > where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more > wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal > protein every day. > > Cheers, > Jacqueline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 FWIW, I email Pampers on the day the original post came through, and got a generic " thanks for your comment " automatic response. Nothing since then. If they ever do respond, I'll post it here. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Here is the response I received from my email to Pampers: Thanks for contacting us. I'm sorry you're unhappy with this information. We appreciate your feedback, and I'm sharing your concerns with the Pampers Team. Thanks again for taking the time to write. Terri Pampers Team On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM, ERB <bakwin wrote: > FWIW, I email Pampers on the day the original post came through, and got > a generic " thanks for your comment " automatic response. Nothing since then. > If they ever do respond, I'll post it here. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Don't you love it? " I'm sorry you're unhappy with this information. " As opposed to, I'm sorry we got factual information wrong. Sheesh. I got a generic response, so I'm still waiting for the personalized one you got (hah!). <<Thanks for sharing your comments with us. We appreciate your feedback, and I'm sharing your message with the appropriate people in our Company. Thanks again for taking the time to write. Pattie P & G Team>> ________________________________ Vibeke Vale <vibekevale Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:08:30 PM Re: Re: Pampers Here is the response I received from my email to Pampers: Thanks for contacting us. I'm sorry you're unhappy with this information. We appreciate your feedback, and I'm sharing your concerns with the Pampers Team. Thanks again for taking the time to write. Terri Pampers Team On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM, ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: > FWIW, I email Pampers on the day the original post came through, and got > a generic " thanks for your comment " automatic response. Nothing since then. > If they ever do respond, I'll post it here. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I think we should all inundate them with letters of complaint!!!! On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:42 PM, ERB <bakwin wrote: > Don't you love it? " I'm sorry you're unhappy with this information. " As > opposed to, I'm sorry we got factual information wrong. Sheesh. > > I got a generic response, so I'm still waiting for the personalized one you > got (hah!). > > <<Thanks for sharing your comments with us. > > We appreciate your feedback, and I'm sharing your message with the > appropriate people in our Company. > > Thanks again for taking the time to write. > > Pattie > P & G Team>> > > ________________________________ > Vibeke Vale <vibekevale <vibekevale%40gmail.com>> > <%40> > Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:08:30 PM > Re: Re: Pampers > > Here is the response I received from my email to Pampers: > > Thanks for contacting us. > > I'm sorry you're unhappy with this information. We appreciate your > feedback, and I'm sharing your concerns with the Pampers Team. > > Thanks again for taking the time to write. > > Terri > Pampers Team > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM, ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: > > > FWIW, I email Pampers on the day the original post came through, and got > > a generic " thanks for your comment " automatic response. Nothing since > then. > > If they ever do respond, I'll post it here. > > > > Liz > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. , " Jacqueline Bodnar " <jb wrote: > > Hi all, > > Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the mail > yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But as > I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the > recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I > wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I > read. > > They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant > protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women > consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, > you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice > and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " > > Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? > I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies and > have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was that > recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like that. > > If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them > here: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/contactUs > > By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the number > where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more > wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal > protein every day. > > Cheers, > Jacqueline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yes, I had a vegetarian pregnancy and had a very healthy baby. Most of my friends used to say ' You need to eat atleast egg to get protein and healthy baby' All that was ruled out after I delivered a vegetarian healthy baby. --- On Mon, 12/8/08, food4u1575 <dana.sommers wrote: food4u1575 <dana.sommers Re: Pampers Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:26 PM It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. @gro ups.com, " Jacqueline Bodnar " <jb wrote: > > Hi all, > > Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the mail > yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But as > I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the > recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I > wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I > read. > > They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant > protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women > consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, > you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice > and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " > > Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? > I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies and > have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was that > recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like that. > > If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them > here: > http://www.pampers. com/en_US/ contactUs > > By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the number > where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more > wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal > protein every day. > > Cheers, > Jacqueline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked with was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how healthy and beautiful (and large...) he was. I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good for you with the 19lb gain. :-) , " food4u1575 " <dana.sommers wrote: > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Hi- Was this your first child? In my experience (45-50 lbs; 25ish lbs;15 lbs for each of three pregnancies) and that of most of my friends, you gain less with each successive pregnancy. Our philosophy-not grounded in scientific knowledge whatsoever-is that your body adapts better with each pregnancy and realizes it doesn't have to store so much...No noticeable changes in eating habits for each pregnancy, either, so it's a mystery! --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 wrote: sazra73 <sazra73 Re: Pampers Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:21 AM I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked with was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how healthy and beautiful (and large...) he was. I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good for you with the 19lb gain. :-) @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " <dana.sommers@ ...> wrote: > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 If you'd like to let Proctor & Gamble know what you think of their focus on animal products for pregnant women, there are four quick and easy ways to respond: Vote with a '1' (and leave a comment if you're so inclined) on this site: http://www.pampers.com/en_US/parenting-articles/protein-requirements-during-preg\ nancy/4495 and on this site: http://www.pampers.com/en_US/parenting-articles/twins-carrying-more-than-one-bab\ y/4616 Then go to their " Pampers Village " site and complain: http://babycare.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/babycare.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php And then the P & G site: http://pg.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/pg.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php The last two steps are critical. P & G used Freda's recycled protein myth in its mail campaign, which likely targeted every expectant woman (and near-future candidates) in the country. It should take less than a minute to vote on both sites, but there are just a few votes on each, and only one comment (mine). I've included a rebuttal in my comment that may help if you want to email or write the company to complain. Please don't forget to ask that they stop promoting the consumption of animal products--for anyone! , " Jacqueline Bodnar " <jb wrote: > > Hi all, > > Did anyone else get the Pampers village pregnancy 2008 guide in the mail > yesterday? I did for some reason, not that I need it any longer. But as > I was flipping through it before getting ready to toss it into the > recycling box I saw the protein page. It caught my attention and I > wanted to see what they said about protein. I wasn't happy with what I > read. > > They say " Most animal protein is quality protein while most plant > protein is not. This is why experts recommend that pregnant women > consume animal protein every day. If you are a vegetarian or vegan, > you'll need to eat a special combination of plant proteins, like rice > and beans, to get all the amino acids your baby needs. " > > Ugh. Since when do experts recommend you eat animal protein every day? > I've written several articles on the topic of vegetarian pregnancies and > have interviewed plenty of professionals on the topic. Not once was that > recommended. It disappoints me that they would say something like that. > > If you would like to voice your opinion to them you can contact them > here: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/contactUs > > By the way, this will be the last time I get it because I saw the number > where I can call to request to be removed from their list. No more > wasted paper and resources and no more garbage about eating animal > protein every day. > > Cheers, > Jacqueline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I had not become vegetarian, though my food of choice was pb & j sandwiches, brownies, and ice cream. I also gained 55 lbs and my daughter was 7 lbs. 7oz. It took me 2 years to lose all that weight, but becoming veg took off the last 15 for me. I love being vegetarian and haven't looked back since Happy to hear about all these healthy and happy veg pregnancies, as in the next 2 years we hope to try for a 2nd child. Though planning isn't our strong suit I think being a veg will assist me in keeping off those extra pounds that pile on fast with the second child. Cassie --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 wrote: sazra73 <sazra73 Re: Pampers Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 10:21 AM I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked with was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how healthy and beautiful (and large...) he was. I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good for you with the 19lb gain. :-) @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " <dana.sommers@ ...> wrote: > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I too was vegetarian throughout my pregnancies. They were wonderful. I had a midwife deliver my two children and even though I was 37 and 39 at the time, the births could not have gone better. I kept a nice weight up and exercised regularly throughout my pregnancies. It was great! Sheila B On Behalf Of Cassie Dixon Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:45 PM Re: Re: Pampers I had not become vegetarian, though my food of choice was pb & j sandwiches, brownies, and ice cream. I also gained 55 lbs and my daughter was 7 lbs. 7oz. It took me 2 years to lose all that weight, but becoming veg took off the last 15 for me. I love being vegetarian and haven't looked back since Happy to hear about all these healthy and happy veg pregnancies, as in the next 2 years we hope to try for a 2nd child. Though planning isn't our strong suit I think being a veg will assist me in keeping off those extra pounds that pile on fast with the second child. Cassie --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 <sazra73%40> > wrote: sazra73 <sazra73 <sazra73%40> > Re: Pampers <%40> Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 10:21 AM I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked with was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how healthy and beautiful (and large...) he was. I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good for you with the 19lb gain. :-) @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " <dana.sommers@ ...> wrote: > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 the 19lb gain was for my first child (any only so far). I barely gained anything for the first 7 months and they had me freaking out. They kept saying I was measuring small and the baby would be 5.5 - 6lbs. In the last month I gained about 8lbs but a lot of people still didn't even know I was pregnant. It was a shock when she was born and they said 7lbs 9oz. I had them re-weigh her! Although my nurse practitioner was really good about me being vegan, it still goes to show how medical professionals have these charts and numbers that they are so strict about and any deviation means something isn't right to them. , jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote: > > Hi- > Was this your first child? In my experience (45-50 lbs; 25ish lbs;15 lbs for each of three pregnancies) and that of most of my friends, you gain less with each successive pregnancy. Our philosophy- not grounded in scientific knowledge whatsoever-is that your body adapts better with each pregnancy and realizes it doesn't have to store so much...No noticeable changes in eating habits for each pregnancy, either, so it's a mystery! > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 wrote: > > sazra73 <sazra73 > Re: Pampers > > Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:21 AM I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked with > was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. > > They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how healthy > and beautiful (and large...) he was. > > I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good > for you with the 19lb gain. :-) > > @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " <dana.sommers@ ...> > wrote: > > > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very > > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No > > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained > > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Yes, indeed, he was my first child. But I have to say... in the last three months of my pregnancy, I ate Soy Delicious Turtle Trails ice cream quite a bit. :-) He didn't move a lot, and I would get freaked out, eat something sweet, and lie down and feel him kick. Additionally, he was 2 weeks overdue (at one point, I gained 3 pounds in a week); I was so huge that I could barely move, so I would bake. My stepdaughter was thrilled at the vegan brownies in her lunchbox. ;-) I am still working on losing the last 10-15 pounds. But I dropped 25 in the week after I got home. It's a magical mystery. I was so healthy during my pregnancy, everybody commented on it. My father (who eats anything) always tells me my son is so strong and healthy because of all the vegetables and beans. It's good advertising to all those naysayers, for sure. Sara , jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote: > > Hi- > Was this your first child? In my experience (45-50 lbs; 25ish lbs;15 lbs for each of three pregnancies) and that of most of my friends, you gain less with each successive pregnancy. Our philosophy-not grounded in scientific knowledge whatsoever-is that your body adapts better with each pregnancy and realizes it doesn't have to store so much...No noticeable changes in eating habits for each pregnancy, either, so it's a mystery! > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 wrote: > > I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good > for you with the 19lb gain. :-) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Thank you for researching the info and sharing these links - I will be sending a complaint as well. And I will certainly mention that I will no longer buy any of their products. (We use G-diapers at home, but disposables when we go out.) Sara , " ny.vegan " <usvegan wrote: > > If you'd like to let Proctor & Gamble know what you think of their > focus on animal products for pregnant women, there are four quick and > easy ways to respond: > > Vote with a '1' (and leave a comment if you're so inclined) on this site: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/parenting-articles/protein- requirements-during-pregnancy/4495 > > and on this site: > http://www.pampers.com/en_US/parenting-articles/twins-carrying-more- than-one-baby/4616 > > Then go to their " Pampers Village " site and complain: > http://babycare.custhelp.com/cgi- bin/babycare.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php > > And then the P & G site: > http://pg.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/pg.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php > > The last two steps are critical. P & G used Freda's recycled protein > myth in its mail campaign, which likely targeted every expectant woman > (and near-future candidates) in the country. > > It should take less than a minute to vote on both sites, but there are > just a few votes on each, and only one comment (mine). I've included > a rebuttal in my comment that may help if you want to email or write > the company to complain. Please don't forget to ask that they stop > promoting the consumption of animal products--for anyone! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Haha, I got that, too- except the opposite. I, too, didn't start gaining weight until well into the 6th or 7th month (with #s 2 and 3), and I was so huge, stomach-wise, by the end, all three times they were predicting 9 lb babies. None of my kids was over 7 lbs! Here's my OTHER non-scientific philosophy: if you're short (I'm 5'2 " ), the baby has nowhere else to go but out. This time, my last time being pregnant, I have vowed several things to myself: enjoy the heck out of it; don't take any tests I don't want to take (they stress me out); do not listen to ANY predictions of baby's size. I TOTALLY agree with you re: the 'charts' and deviations. That aspect of being pregnant-aside from spending half your life in the doctor's office- drives me nuts. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, food4u1575 <dana.sommers wrote: food4u1575 <dana.sommers Re: Pampers Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:57 AM the 19lb gain was for my first child (any only so far). I barely gained anything for the first 7 months and they had me freaking out. They kept saying I was measuring small and the baby would be 5.5 - 6lbs. In the last month I gained about 8lbs but a lot of people still didn't even know I was pregnant. It was a shock when she was born and they said 7lbs 9oz. I had them re-weigh her! Although my nurse practitioner was really good about me being vegan, it still goes to show how medical professionals have these charts and numbers that they are so strict about and any deviation means something isn't right to them. @gro ups.com, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ ...> wrote: > > Hi- > Was this your first child? In my experience (45-50 lbs; 25ish lbs;15 lbs for each of three pregnancies) and that of most of my friends, you gain less with each successive pregnancy. Our philosophy- not grounded in scientific knowledge whatsoever-is that your body adapts better with each pregnancy and realizes it doesn't have to store so much...No noticeable changes in eating habits for each pregnancy, either, so it's a mystery! > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 > wrote: > > sazra73 <sazra73 > > Re: Pampers > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:21 AM I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked with > was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. > > They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how healthy > and beautiful (and large...) he was. > > I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good > for you with the 19lb gain. :-) > > @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " <dana.sommers@ ...> > wrote: > > > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very > > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No > > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained > > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 what do you mean by protein combining? please explain.. thanks Kate ________________________________ jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:54:45 PM Re: Re: Pampers Haha, I got that, too- except the opposite. I, too, didn't start gaining weight until well into the 6th or 7th month (with #s 2 and 3), and I was so huge, stomach-wise, by the end, all three times they were predicting 9 lb babies. None of my kids was over 7 lbs! Here's my OTHER non-scientific philosophy: if you're short (I'm 5'2 " ), the baby has nowhere else to go but out. This time, my last time being pregnant, I have vowed several things to myself: enjoy the heck out of it; don't take any tests I don't want to take (they stress me out); do not listen to ANY predictions of baby's size. I TOTALLY agree with you re: the 'charts' and deviations. That aspect of being pregnant-aside from spending half your life in the doctor's office- drives me nuts. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, food4u1575 <dana.sommers@ wholefoods. com> wrote: food4u1575 <dana.sommers@ wholefoods. com> Re: Pampers @gro ups.com Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:57 AM the 19lb gain was for my first child (any only so far). I barely gained anything for the first 7 months and they had me freaking out. They kept saying I was measuring small and the baby would be 5.5 - 6lbs. In the last month I gained about 8lbs but a lot of people still didn't even know I was pregnant. It was a shock when she was born and they said 7lbs 9oz. I had them re-weigh her! Although my nurse practitioner was really good about me being vegan, it still goes to show how medical professionals have these charts and numbers that they are so strict about and any deviation means something isn't right to them. @gro ups.com, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ ...> wrote: > > Hi- > Was this your first child? In my experience (45-50 lbs; 25ish lbs;15 lbs for each of three pregnancies) and that of most of my friends, you gain less with each successive pregnancy. Our philosophy- not grounded in scientific knowledge whatsoever-is that your body adapts better with each pregnancy and realizes it doesn't have to store so much...No noticeable changes in eating habits for each pregnancy, either, so it's a mystery! > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 > wrote: > > sazra73 <sazra73 > > Re: Pampers > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:21 AM I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked with > was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. > > They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how healthy > and beautiful (and large...) he was. > > I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good > for you with the 19lb gain. :-) > > @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " <dana.sommers@ ...> > wrote: > > > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a very > > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. No > > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only gained > > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Combining items that have protein like brown rice with beans. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:27 PM, kate coyle <coylemk wrote: > what do you mean by protein combining? please explain.. > thanks Kate > > ________________________________ > jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick<jennigarverick%40> > > > <%40> > Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:54:45 PM > Re: Re: Pampers > > Haha, I got that, too- except the opposite. I, too, didn't start gaining > weight until well into the 6th or 7th month (with #s 2 and 3), and I was so > huge, stomach-wise, by the end, all three times they were predicting 9 lb > babies. None of my kids was over 7 lbs! Here's my OTHER non-scientific > philosophy: if you're short (I'm 5'2 " ), the baby has nowhere else to go but > out. This time, my last time being pregnant, I have vowed several things to > myself: enjoy the heck out of it; don't take any tests I don't want to take > (they stress me out); do not listen to ANY predictions of baby's size. I > TOTALLY agree with you re: the 'charts' and deviations. That aspect of being > pregnant-aside from spending half your life in the doctor's office- drives > me nuts. > > --- On Wed, 12/10/08, food4u1575 <dana.sommers@ wholefoods. com> wrote: > > food4u1575 <dana.sommers@ wholefoods. com> > Re: Pampers > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:57 AM > > the 19lb gain was for my first child (any only so far). I barely > gained anything for the first 7 months and they had me freaking out. > They kept saying I was measuring small and the baby would be 5.5 - > 6lbs. In the last month I gained about 8lbs but a lot of people still > didn't even know I was pregnant. It was a shock when she was born and > they said 7lbs 9oz. I had them re-weigh her! Although my nurse > practitioner was really good about me being vegan, it still goes to > show how medical professionals have these charts and numbers that > they are so strict about and any deviation means something isn't > right to them. > > @gro ups.com, jenni claire garverick > <jennigarverick@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi- > > Was this your first child? In my experience (45-50 lbs; 25ish > lbs;15 lbs for each of three pregnancies) and that of most of my > friends, you gain less with each successive pregnancy. Our philosophy- > not grounded in scientific knowledge whatsoever-is that your body > adapts better with each pregnancy and realizes it doesn't have to > store so much...No noticeable changes in eating habits for each > pregnancy, either, so it's a mystery! > > > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73 > wrote: > > > > sazra73 <sazra73 > > > Re: Pampers > > @gro ups.com > > Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked > with > > was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. > > > > They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how > healthy > > and beautiful (and large...) he was. > > > > I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good > > for you with the 19lb gain. :-) > > > > @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " > <dana.sommers@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > > > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a > very > > > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. > No > > > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only > gained > > > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 protein combining is a very old school thought that the only way vegetarians could be healthy and get the proper amount of protein was to combine certain foods. The theory behind it was that plant foods did not contain all of the essential amino acids and building blocks we need grow, develop, and stay strong. We were all told that we had to combine foods, like rice and beans, at each meal in order to get complete proteins. Hearing it now seems like a completely insane thought. We all know that as long as we eat a varied diet there is not issue with getting the essential amino acids we need. , kate coyle <coylemk wrote: > > what do you mean by protein combining? please explain.. > thanks Kate > > > > ________________________________ > jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick > > Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:54:45 PM > Re: Re: Pampers > > > Haha, I got that, too- except the opposite. I, too, didn't start gaining weight until well into the 6th or 7th month (with #s 2 and 3), and I was so huge, stomach-wise, by the end, all three times they were predicting 9 lb babies. None of my kids was over 7 lbs! Here's my OTHER non-scientific philosophy: if you're short (I'm 5'2 " ), the baby has nowhere else to go but out. This time, my last time being pregnant, I have vowed several things to myself: enjoy the heck out of it; don't take any tests I don't want to take (they stress me out); do not listen to ANY predictions of baby's size. I TOTALLY agree with you re: the 'charts' and deviations. That aspect of being pregnant-aside from spending half your life in the doctor's office- drives me nuts. > > --- On Wed, 12/10/08, food4u1575 <dana.sommers@ wholefoods. com> wrote: > > food4u1575 <dana.sommers@ wholefoods. com> > Re: Pampers > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:57 AM > > the 19lb gain was for my first child (any only so far). I barely > gained anything for the first 7 months and they had me freaking out. > They kept saying I was measuring small and the baby would be 5.5 - > 6lbs. In the last month I gained about 8lbs but a lot of people still > didn't even know I was pregnant. It was a shock when she was born and > they said 7lbs 9oz. I had them re-weigh her! Although my nurse > practitioner was really good about me being vegan, it still goes to > show how medical professionals have these charts and numbers that > they are so strict about and any deviation means something isn't > right to them. > > @gro ups.com, jenni claire garverick > <jennigarverick@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi- > > Was this your first child? In my experience (45-50 lbs; 25ish > lbs;15 lbs for each of three pregnancies) and that of most of my > friends, you gain less with each successive pregnancy. Our philosophy- > not grounded in scientific knowledge whatsoever-is that your body > adapts better with each pregnancy and realizes it doesn't have to > store so much...No noticeable changes in eating habits for each > pregnancy, either, so it's a mystery! > > > > --- On Tue, 12/9/08, sazra73 <sazra73@ > wrote: > > > > sazra73 <sazra73@ > > > Re: Pampers > > @gro ups.com > > Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was vegetarian during my pregnancy, too, and everybody I worked > with > > was amazed that I was so " disciplined " and ate so well. > > > > They all were in awe of my son's birth announcement, and how > healthy > > and beautiful (and large...) he was. > > > > I have to chuckle - my baby was 9 lbs, but I gained 55lbs!!!! Good > > for you with the 19lb gain. :-) > > > > @gro ups.com, " food4u1575 " > <dana.sommers@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > It's amazing that people, especially those in the medical field, > > > still think like that. I, like most of us in this group, had a > very > > > healthy vegan pregnancy. I just made sure I ate a healthy diet. > No > > > protein combining. I had a very healthy 7lb 9oz baby and only > gained > > > 19lbs. try that on a meat diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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