Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Hi Robin: I'm interested in your lunch list too. Thanks! Angelique _____ Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:34 AM Digest Number 2542 Are <;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNTltZzhqBF9TAzk3MzU5N zE1BGdycElkAzIwNzQ4NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyMDU0BHNlYwNoZHIEc2xrA2hwaARzdGltZ QMxMjI4MjE3NjEy> you raising a vegetarian or vegan child? If so The Vegetarian Resource Group, has created a network of parents and kids. Messages In This Digest (1 Message) 1a. Re: lunches - Sarah <> Measle's Animal Haven View </messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmN2xhMnI3BF9T Azk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwNzQ4NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyMDU0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNh dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMjgyMTc2MTM-?xm=1 & m=p & tidx=1> All Topics | Create </post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdnA4ZGtqBF9TAzk3 MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwNzQ4NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyMDU0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNudHBj BHN0aW1lAzEyMjgyMTc2MTM-> New Topic Message 1a. Re: lunches - Sarah </message/18504;_ylc=X3oDMTJybzk2djl xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwNzQ4NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyMDU0BG1zZ0lkAzE4NTA 0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMjgyMTc2MTM-> Posted by: " Measle's Animal Haven " measlesanimalhaven <measlesanimalhaven?Subject= Re%3A%20lunches%20-%20Sarah> measlesanimalhaven <http://profiles./measlesanimalhaven> Mon Dec 1, 2008 7:44 am (PST) Could you please send it to me too? I have a 3-year old and 1-year old twins who I am raising vegetarian. Thanks so much! Robin MeaslesAnimalHaven@ <MeaslesAnimalHaven%40> @gro <%40> ups.com, " Paige " <gosstucker wrote: > > Robin, can you send it to me? > > > > gosstucker > > > > Thanks much, > > Paige > > > > > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On > Behalf Of robin koloms > Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:26 PM > @gro <%40> ups.com > Re: lunches - Sarah > > > > I have a list of lunches that I put together with suggestions from this > group and others. Please let me know if you would like me to forward it > offlist (it is a fairly lengthy list). > > Robin > > --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Sarah Fraley <fraley_sarah@ > <fraley_sarah%40> > wrote: > > Sarah Fraley <fraley_sarah@ <fraley_sarah%40> > > > Unfermented soy products--Thank you > @gro <%40> ups.com > Saturday, November 22, 2008, 6:58 PM > > Hi everyone, > > Thanks to all who responded to my question about soy products for my little > boy. I feel much better after having read more about it--and don't have any > doubt that I am doing the best thing for my son. I hate feeling like I have > to have " ammunition " for people who might question my decisions about what I > feed my son, but it sounds like this is not uncommon among us in the group > . Anyway, I guess my continuing quest is to find things that are easy to > prepare (and pack for his daycare lunch when I'm dead tired the night > before) and that he will deign to eat. Of course the prepackaged stuff > (e.g., Morningstar) is infinitely easier, but loaded with preservatives. > Any ideas on quick low-cost healthy meals would be greatly appreciated! > > Cheers, > Sarah > > --- On Tue, 11/18/08, chandelle <earthmother213@ gmail.com> wrote: > > chandelle <earthmother213@ gmail.com> > Re: Unfermented soy products--should I worry? > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 7:55 PM > > Sarah, > > Much like dairy and many other foods, fermented soy products can be much > easier to digest. In our family, we focus on tempeh, miso and yogurt when > we eat soy foods. I would recommend this if you're concerned about the > nutrient viability in soy. > > There's a lot of scare-mongering right now about soy, much of it courtesy of > the Western A. Price Foundation. There are reasons to be concerned about > soy but the risks have been greatly exaggerated. It's important to eat a > varied diet, to avoid focusing your entire diet around soy, and to refrain > from processed foods containing soy, like packaged fake analogues. It's > common for these foods to take a center stage during the transitional period > into a veg*n diet, but ultimately they should be largely phased out in favor > of whole foods - whole grains, vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, other beans > and so on. Surely it's fine to take in some processed foods in small > amounts, including those based on isolated soy protein, but in my opinion, > they should be thought of as a treat and not as a real food or a normal part > of an everyday diet. > > When it comes to soy, processed soy is the biggest risk. Soybean oil is a > common ingredient in processed, packaged foods. Isolated soy protein is a > common component of meat analogues and it's also a filler in many processed, > packaged foods. Soy lecithin, soy protein > shakes/powders/ capsules/ supplements, etc., and other extracts of soy are > also problematic. The best way to have soy is in a form as close to its > original source as possible. Edamame, tempeh, miso and yogurt are the best > options for good health and digestibility, but again, these should only be > one part of a varied diet. Barring allergies, sensitivity or overuse, > including soy in the diet should be neutral to beneficial rather than > harmful. As for what you feed your son right now, the tofu should be fine > but maybe you could try breading and baking seitan for nuggets instead of > buying something as heavily processed as a Morningstar Farms product. > > I would be wary of " he-said she-said " when it comes to family members or > friends who may be well-intentioned but also have limited information about > the way you live in your daily life. A concerned family member mentioning * > your* vegetarianism to *his or her* nutritionist is very suspect. I > understand that this family member is just trying to be helpful and may be > trying to allay their own fears, but quite frankly, it simply is not their > business, and it's very presumptuous for them to pass on second-hand > information from a provider who does not know you and is in no position to > be making recommendations for your family. > > I will be very honest with you about the issue of dealing with family > members' concern. My family has been vegan (except for honey, which is a > recent addition) since my son was 3 weeks old. This has been our family > diet for almost four years. My children have always been normal- sized > (actually, tall for their age), very healthy and advanced in their > development. They crave healthy foods and they're so smart and lovely and > simply delicious. And I let that speak for itself. I spent a lot of time, > when my son was a baby, researching everything to death and trying to > convince everyone around me that it was okay to raise a child vegan. I > would share articles and statistics and books and letters. And none of it > had the slightest effect on anyone. Everyone started out completely > convinced that my children would probably die or at least be very depressed > and tiny and sickly, and my grandmother was also of the opinion that without > the joy of McDonald's, my kids would probably blow up their schools. (I am > not exaggerating. ) Talking about it to death, constantly trying to convince > other people, just made me look insecure and desperate for validation - and > I was. As my kids have grown and demonstrated every day of their lives that > they are normal and healthy, doing better than most of their peers, I've > quieted down - and so has everyone else. I let my healthy kids speak for > themselves. I don't try to convince anyone anymore. I just smile. If > people try to make recommendations or pick my kids apart for evidence of > deficiency, I repeat my mantra: " We're always evaluating our diet and doing > the best we can. The kids are healthy but there's always room for > improvement. I appreciate your concern for our kids' health and I know they > do, too. " Then I change the subject. If the person continues to press, I > say, kindly but firmly, " Again, I appreciate your concern, but this is my > family and we will do what we feel is best after we've researched as best we > can and experimented to find our own needs. Please respect my family's > autonomy in this issue, just as I respect yours. " And then I do not allow > more discussion on the issue. Of course, this conversation would be very > different if the person showed an honest desire to learn and understand, but > this is rare when it comes to our families. > > Hope this helps! > > Chandelle > Whole Food Whole Family <http://www.wholefoo dwholefamily. blogspot. com> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Sarah Fraley <fraley_sarah@ > >wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My name is Sarah and I'm new to the group. My son Mark is 2 and has been > > vegetarian since birth--for various reasons, but not because of any food > > allergies. We eat eggs, dairy products, and occasional fish, but no red > > meat, pork, chicken. A concerned family member recently told me that her > > nutritionist raised concerns about my feeding my son unfermented soy > > products (vs. fermented) and this possibly leading to developmental > > problems, specifically with his developing hormone system and muscle > > growth. I did a brief on-line search and found a couple of fear- based > > websites that I didn't find too reputable about the " dangers of soy " . > > > > Has anyone out there heard about this? Anyone know of a reputable source > > that I can point her to? (And reassure myself?) I don't feed him a ton of > > soy, but probably once a week (or once every 2 weeks) he has sauteed tofu > or > > Morningstar " chicken " nuggets. > > > > On a side note, my step-son has been raised completely vegan due to severe > > animal product allergies and has had no problems with hormal development > > that I'm aware of (just beginning his teenage years and his voice is > > changing just fine... ) and my vegetarian step-daughter has also consumed > > her fair share of soy and seems to be develping normally as well (menses > > began at a normal age, etc.). > > > > On another side note, how do others cope with family members who express > > their concern about children not getting enough nutrients from non-meat > > sources?? I don't want to feel judged, but want to thank them for their > > concern. > > > > Thank you!! > > > > Sarah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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