chickens

[Guest guest]

Am I missing something here? Raising chickens, especially with the intent to eat

them and/or

their eggs, most especially in a zoo (even a " nice " small one) IS NOT VEG*N.

 

This is ANIMAL EXPLOITATION, under the guise of being " educational " and

" neighborhood

friendly. " I'm sure people could learn about chickens and life cycles without

actually having to

hold them captive.

 

As a veg*n, I would use my position on this committee to dissuade them from

exploiting

chickens and other animals.

 

~Valerie

[Guest guest]

I don't buy into the whole PETA: a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy dogma.  I am

vegetarian for environmental and food-distribution reasons.  While I certainly

respect your beliefs, they are not mine (as mine are not yours).  I care about

the exploitation of people (buy only used and fairly traded items).

 

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, veganval <vatbloom wrote:

 

veganval <vatbloom

Re: Chickens

 

Sunday, December 21, 2008, 6:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Am I missing something here? Raising chickens, especially with the intent to eat

them and/or

their eggs, most especially in a zoo (even a " nice " small one) IS NOT VEG*N.

 

This is ANIMAL EXPLOITATION, under the guise of being " educational " and

" neighborhood

friendly. " I'm sure people could learn about chickens and life cycles without

actually having to

hold them captive.

 

As a veg*n, I would use my position on this committee to dissuade them from

exploiting

chickens and other animals.

 

~Valerie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You have to admit that in asking a bunch of vegetarians about raising chickens

you must have expected most of us to feel a little uneasy. 

Again, Peta has some serious flaws in their tactics, however I'm tired of

hearing them be put down for the one thing that I do believe in - animal

welfare/rights.

I'm really uncertain about this whole a rat is a pig is a boy thing or whatever

the point is you're making that Peta supposedly stands for.  Peta does help many

animals and I am a vegetarian first and foremost for the sake of the animals, so

please do not condescend.

 

Jill

 

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote:

 

robin koloms <rkoloms

Re: Re: Chickens

 

Monday, December 22, 2008, 3:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't buy into the whole PETA: a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy dogma.  I am

vegetarian for environmental and food-distribution reasons.  While I certainly

respect your beliefs, they are not mine (as mine are not yours)..  I care about

the exploitation of people (buy only used and fairly traded items).

 

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, veganval <vatbloom (AT) wildmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

veganval <vatbloom (AT) wildmail (DOT) com>

Re: Chickens

@gro ups.com

Sunday, December 21, 2008, 6:41 AM

 

Am I missing something here? Raising chickens, especially with the intent to eat

them and/or

their eggs, most especially in a zoo (even a " nice " small one) IS NOT VEG*N..

 

This is ANIMAL EXPLOITATION, under the guise of being " educational " and

" neighborhood

friendly. " I'm sure people could learn about chickens and life cycles without

actually having to

hold them captive.

 

As a veg*n, I would use my position on this committee to dissuade them from

exploiting

chickens and other animals.

 

~Valerie

 

 

[Guest guest]

Robin, are you intending to raise the chickens from chicks? If this isn't

essential, you could find a local farm sanctuary and adopt some chickens.

Most sanctuaries are constantly trying to adopt out their animals to worthy

homes who will not exploit or abuse them, and it's very difficult for them

to find such homes.

 

I don't believe that any interaction or coexistence with animals is

exploitative or abusive by default. We've adopted cats and dogs, not to eat

them or wear their fur, but to live with them in harmony. Humans are

animals and we've almost always lived with other animals. Living with

chickens need not be exploitative or abusive, as is evidenced in

sanctuaries. On our future homestead we plan to adopt sanctuary chickens

for the mutually beneficial arrangement of giving them a wonderful place to

live and be safe while their manure fertilizes our plants. In the wild

chickens would eat most of their own eggs, which helps them prevent calcium

deficiency, so you could allow them to do that rather than consuming the

eggs yourself.

 

Chandelle

 

--

" The demand for equal rights in every vocation of life is just and fair;

but, after all, the most vital right is the right to love and be loved. "

~Emma Goldman

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I live in a rural area near St. Louis and my family and I have an unincorporated

farm

sanctuary. We do not breed animals but rather have forever homes to farm animals

in need

from the humane society or other needy situations. We consider the critters to

be our non

human family members.

We have had many chickens over the years and they are very easy to care for.

Providing a

warm place for the birds and protecting them from predators. Are the most

essential things

they need other than fresh food and water.

If anyone who is considering providing homes for existing birds and would like

some tips I

will be happy to help you.

Teresa

[Guest guest]

We live in between St. Louis and Chicago (C-U area) and I personally would not

keep chickens unless it was a rescue situation, but there are several families

who have/had chickens. Most of them do not anymore. One of our friends had

such an issue with predators (raccoons and the like) that she had to get rid of

the chickens (she kept them for eggs and in my opinion took okay care of them,

but they rarely got out and didn't have much interaction). Another friend let

them run wild most of the time and several were run over by cars. Yet another

friend who seemed to take the best care ironically had a couple of her chickens

die. There was a pretty nice support system of people who were all raising

urban chickens in this area yet several of them no longer have them. I used to

work on an animal sanctuary and it seems like a different situation taking care

of chickens in a more urban setting. All of these chickens were related and I

was not involved in

how the people were trained on how to care for them, but it just didn't end

well for many of them.

 

Linda

A Marketplace for a Better World (Cruelty-free, Environmentally-Conscious, and

Fair Labor Products)

http://triballife.net/

http://triballifeinc.blogspot.com/

My personal blog:

http://veganlinda.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

________________________________

kalienya <taldrich

 

Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:46:07 PM

chickens

 

 

Hi,

I live in a rural area near St. Louis and my family and I have an unincorporated

farm

sanctuary. We do not breed animals but rather have forever homes to farm animals

in need

from the humane society or other needy situations. We consider the critters to

be our non

human family members.

We have had many chickens over the years and they are very easy to care for.

Providing a

warm place for the birds and protecting them from predators. Are the most

essential things

they need other than fresh food and water.

If anyone who is considering providing homes for existing birds and would like

some tips I

will be happy to help you.

Teresa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Teresa,

What wonderful work you do by running a sanctuary! Thank you for doing

that! I better get this e off my screen before my partner wanders in

and re-fuels his dream of turning our suburban backyard into a sanctuary

for farm animals! :-) (He's a city boy and has no idea how little the

neighbors 5 feet away might love this idea . . . let alone the HOA or

the zoning commission that both forbid such a venture in our

neighborhood . . .) :-)

Thanks for what you do!

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of kalienya

Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:46 PM

 

chickens

 

Hi,

I live in a rural area near St. Louis and my family and I have an

unincorporated farm

sanctuary. We do not breed animals but rather have forever homes to farm

animals in need

from the humane society or other needy situations. We consider the

critters to be our non

human family members.

We have had many chickens over the years and they are very easy to care

for. Providing a

warm place for the birds and protecting them from predators. Are the

most essential things

they need other than fresh food and water.

If anyone who is considering providing homes for existing birds and

would like some tips I

will be happy to help you.

Teresa

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Theresa.  I am sure that we will have questions once we get going. I

will hold onto your contact information.

 

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, kalienya <taldrich wrote:

 

kalienya <taldrich

chickens

 

Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:46 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

I live in a rural area near St. Louis and my family and I have an unincorporated

farm

sanctuary. We do not breed animals but rather have forever homes to farm animals

in need

from the humane society or other needy situations. We consider the critters to

be our non

human family members.

We have had many chickens over the years and they are very easy to care for.

Providing a

warm place for the birds and protecting them from predators. Are the most

essential things

they need other than fresh food and water.

If anyone who is considering providing homes for existing birds and would like

some tips I

will be happy to help you.

Teresa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I was a child during WWII and many people kept chickens within the city limits. We didn't have any, but the neighbors on both sides of us did. I don't remember anyone in my family complaining about them and one neighbor had a rooster. That family didn't even have a fence, but the chickens never seemed to leave their yard. I also remember seeing the poor chickens getting their necks wrung and flopping all over the yard. Oddly enough, it didn't seem to upset me, probably because I was so young and had always seen it happen. All this stopped after the war, though.Patricia--- On Mon, 9/14/09, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:heartwerk

<jo.heartwork Re: silk? Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 11:50 PMI think people start to keep chickens without thinking about the hard work involved. Apart from the money on providing suitable shelter and fencing (don't forget most hen keepers clip the hens' wings - which isn't really fair) hens get lice and other parasites that need to be dealt with on a very regular basis - with pesticides. I believe the recommendation is to thoroughly dust the hens to de-louse them every six weeks. This means holding them upside down so that the pesticide powder goes into all their feathers. Their hutches, runs need to be cleaned out every day, and sometimes fumigated to rid them of red mites. Sometimes the hens catch diseases from the wild birds and need to be treated with antibiotics. All this costs money, takes up time,

and introduces poisons into your environment.There is also the problem of neighbours complaining about the noise. Even if you don't have a cockerel the hens still make quite a bit of noise, and one friend of mine had to get rid of her hens because of complaints by neighbours.You also need to check with your local authority (in the UK) whether you can keep hens. Often there is some by-law against it.Anyway - all worth thinking about before buying hens.Jo , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote:>> Unfortunately, I can't keep chickens where I live.> > Patricia> > --- On Mon, 9/14/09, CeAnne Jacques <ceannetj wrote:> > CeAnne Jacques <ceannetj> RE:

silk?> > Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:27 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure where you live US or UK but there is a group called Freecycle () where everything is free. If you get on it explains what it is and how to find a local group. > I acquired a few hens that way. Chickens are funny... CeAnne> > --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote:> > Patricia <moondreamer64_2000> RE:

silk?> > Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > I wish I could have a couple of hens.> > Patricia> > --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Underwood-Fowler Cindy <CDUFOWLER (AT) mail (DOT) dstl.gov. uk> wrote:> > Underwood-Fowler Cindy <CDUFOWLER (AT) mail (DOT) dstl.gov. uk>> RE: silk?> @gro ups.com> Monday, September 14, 2009, 2:05 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > People who can't feel sympathy for a chicken obviously have > never spent much time around one. They are such friendly, intelligent, comical > little creatures and they love to interact with humans.> Opalline> > > > > @gro ups.com > [vegan_ chat@ .com] On Behalf Of Blue > Rose> 11 September 2009 21:40> > @gro ups.com> Re: > silk?> > > > > That's typically what I hear about chicken and fish...sometimes even > cows.> > > > . > > > "This e-mail is intended for the recipient only. If you are not > the> intended recipient you must not use, disclose,

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[Guest guest]

laws and regulations vary per community

here, the law states that you can't have a chicken coop (or duck enclosure, or the like) within twenty feet of a dwelling or door.

our hen houses in the past were right up against the side of my haus. nuthin ever became of it.

it is illegal at this time to have roosters within the city limits. yet, i hear them crowing all the time. and i shudder when i think of what they are probably used for.

 

"Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me."

[Guest guest]

One friend had to get rid of her hens because the neighbours didn't like the

noises they made early in the morning in midsummer. Maybe you all have bigger

gardens/yards in America than we do here.

 

I know 7 people who keep hens and the hens all get lice from the wild birds.

They are not easily seen you know, and all hen keeping books recommend regular

(every six weeks) delousing.

 

One person had a hen who caught some virus and had to be on antibiotics for

about three weeks, and on a special nutrient for a while afterwards.

 

My main point is that people tend to assume you just buy some hens, stick them

in a coop and run, feed them and gather the eggs, but this is not the case.

There is a lot of regular work, vets bills etc.

 

Jo

[Guest guest]

The laws do vary here, but I know someone who rescued three hens and then had to

give them away because a neighbour complained - the local council came out and

told her that it was against the local council laws to keep hens.

 

Jo

 

Fraggle wrote:

laws and regulations vary per community

 

here, the law states that you can't have a chicken coop (or duck enclosure, or

the like) within twenty feet of a dwelling or door.