(Iraq) Pigs Shot, Set on Fire in Military Training

November 27, 2006

(Crossposted from another newsgroup)

Originally Posted by rayshick

Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:31 am (PST)

Pigs Shot, Set on Fire in Military Training

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Tell DOD (Department of Defense) To Stop Cruel Training Exercises,

Develop More Appropriate Human Trauma Models

A recent article in The New York Times profiled a Navy medic in Iraq

who is treating wounded combat soldiers. In interviewing the medic,

the Times asked the 22-year-old how he trained for the job. The

medic said he took several courses before he was deployed, including

one advanced trauma treatment program where instructors gave each

corpsman an anesthetized pig. His pig was shot eight times and set

on fire during a 15-hour time period during which the medic worked

to keep the pig alive.

Excerpt from the article: (NYTimes, Nov. 2, 2006)

Petty Officer Kirby began to list the schools he had attended to be

ready for this moment. Some he had paid for himself, he said, to be

extra-prepared.

In one course, an advanced trauma treatment program he had taken

before deploying, he said, the instructors gave each corpsman an

anesthetized pig.

" The idea is to work with live tissue, " he said. " You get a pig and

you keep it alive. And every time I did something to help him, they

would wound him again. So you see what shock does, and what happens

when more wounds are received by a wounded creature. "

" My pig? " he said. " They shot him twice in the face with a 9-

millimeter pistol, and then six times with an AK-47 and then twice

with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he was set on fire. "

" I kept him alive for 15 hours, " he said. " That was my pig, " he said.

For complete article, go to:

Please contact the Secretary of Defense and chairs of the

Congressional Armed Services Committees about this matter.

* Urge them to cut funding for and endorsement of this type of

training.

* Tell them that there is enough violence in the world and that

causing animals to suffer over human-made conflicts is inappropriate

* Tell them that there are humane ways to learn about trauma

medicine, including by participating with human physicians in

hospitals all over the United States on patients who have been shot

or are severely injured and in need of trauma care.

Contact information follows:

Robert Gates

Secretary of Defense

1000 Defense Pentagon

Washington, DC 20301-1000

Rep. Duncan Hunter, Chair

House Armed Services Committee

2120 Rayburn House Office Building

Washington, DC 20515

Senator John Warner, Chair

Senate Armed Services Committee

228 Russell Senate Office Building

Washington, DC 20510

November 27, 2006

That is not a valid URL. I want to find the article. Can you give

me the title so I can find it at the NYT website?

Kim

>(Crossposted from another newsgroup)

>

>Originally Posted by <rayshick%40msn.com>rayshick

>Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:31 am (PST)

>

>Pigs Shot, Set on Fire in Military Training

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>Tell DOD (Department of Defense) To Stop Cruel Training Exercises,

>Develop More Appropriate Human Trauma Models

>

>A recent article in The New York Times profiled a Navy medic in Iraq

>who is treating wounded combat soldiers. In interviewing the medic,

>the Times asked the 22-year-old how he trained for the job. The

>medic said he took several courses before he was deployed, including

>one advanced trauma treatment program where instructors gave each

>corpsman an anesthetized pig. His pig was shot eight times and set

>on fire during a 15-hour time period during which the medic worked

>to keep the pig alive.

>

>Excerpt from the article: (NYTimes, Nov. 2, 2006)

>

>Petty Officer Kirby began to list the schools he had attended to be

>ready for this moment. Some he had paid for himself, he said, to be

>extra-prepared.

>

>In one course, an advanced trauma treatment program he had taken

>before deploying, he said, the instructors gave each corpsman an

>anesthetized pig.

>

> " The idea is to work with live tissue, " he said. " You get a pig and

>you keep it alive. And every time I did something to help him, they

>would wound him again. So you see what shock does, and what happens

>when more wounds are received by a wounded creature. "

>

> " My pig? " he said. " They shot him twice in the face with a 9-

>millimeter pistol, and then six times with an AK-47 and then twice

>with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he was set on fire. "

>

> " I kept him alive for 15 hours, " he said. " That was my pig, " he said.

>For complete article, go to:

>

>Please contact the Secretary of Defense and chairs of the

>Congressional Armed Services Committees about this matter.

>

>* Urge them to cut funding for and endorsement of this type of

>training.

>

>* Tell them that there is enough violence in the world and that

>causing animals to suffer over human-made conflicts is inappropriate

>

>* Tell them that there are humane ways to learn about trauma

>medicine, including by participating with human physicians in

>hospitals all over the United States on patients who have been shot

>or are severely injured and in need of trauma care.

>

>Contact information follows:

>

>Robert Gates

>Secretary of Defense

>1000 Defense Pentagon

>Washington, DC 20301-1000

>

>Rep. Duncan Hunter, Chair

>House Armed Services Committee

>2120 Rayburn House Office Building

>Washington, DC 20515

>

>Senator John Warner, Chair

>Senate Armed Services Committee

>228 Russell Senate Office Building

>Washington, DC 20510

>

November 28, 2006

*DOES THIS COME AS ANY SURPRISE CONSIDERING THAT THE ANGLO AMERICAN

COALITION HAS KILLED 650,000 CIVILIANS IN COLD BLOOD TO 'LIBERATE' IRAQ?

KILLING PIGS AND SETTING THEM ON FIRE IS UNQUESTIONABLY WRONG BUT IT IS ALSO

WRONG TO USE DEPLETED URANIUM TO KILL TWO MONTH OLD BABIES. IT IS ALSO WRONG

TO URINATE AND DEFECATE ON PRISONERS. IT ALSO WRONG TO SHOOT JOURNALISTS ON

DUTY. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO USE ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON PEOPLE DURING

INTERROGATION. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO MASTURBATE ON PEOPLE TO HAVE PHOTOS TAKEN

FOR FUN. HUMANS ARE ALSO ANIMALS, RIGHT? CONCERN FOR PIGS IS FINE BUT THERE

MUST BE CONCERN FOR PEOPLE AS WELL. ANY ANIMAL RIGHTS SCHEME THAT DISREGARDS

HUMAN RIGHTS CAN ONLY FLOUNDER. THIS IS UNCOMFORTABLE BUT IT HAS TO

BE REMINDED TO KEEP ISSUES IN PERSPECTIVE.*

On 11/27/06, Le Petit Chien <perro10 wrote:

>

> (Crossposted from another newsgroup)

>

> Originally Posted by rayshick <rayshick%40msn.com>

> Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:31 am (PST)

>

> Pigs Shot, Set on Fire in Military Training

>

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>

> Tell DOD (Department of Defense) To Stop Cruel Training Exercises,

> Develop More Appropriate Human Trauma Models

>

> A recent article in The New York Times profiled a Navy medic in Iraq

> who is treating wounded combat soldiers. In interviewing the medic,

> the Times asked the 22-year-old how he trained for the job. The

> medic said he took several courses before he was deployed, including

> one advanced trauma treatment program where instructors gave each

> corpsman an anesthetized pig. His pig was shot eight times and set

> on fire during a 15-hour time period during which the medic worked

> to keep the pig alive.

>

> Excerpt from the article: (NYTimes, Nov. 2, 2006)

>

> Petty Officer Kirby began to list the schools he had attended to be

> ready for this moment. Some he had paid for himself, he said, to be

> extra-prepared.

>

> In one course, an advanced trauma treatment program he had taken

> before deploying, he said, the instructors gave each corpsman an

> anesthetized pig.

>

> " The idea is to work with live tissue, " he said. " You get a pig and

> you keep it alive. And every time I did something to help him, they

> would wound him again. So you see what shock does, and what happens

> when more wounds are received by a wounded creature. "

>

> " My pig? " he said. " They shot him twice in the face with a 9-

> millimeter pistol, and then six times with an AK-47 and then twice

> with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he was set on fire. "

>

> " I kept him alive for 15 hours, " he said. " That was my pig, " he said.

> For complete article, go to:

>

> Please contact the Secretary of Defense and chairs of the

> Congressional Armed Services Committees about this matter.

>

> * Urge them to cut funding for and endorsement of this type of

> training.

>

> * Tell them that there is enough violence in the world and that

> causing animals to suffer over human-made conflicts is inappropriate

>

> * Tell them that there are humane ways to learn about trauma

> medicine, including by participating with human physicians in

> hospitals all over the United States on patients who have been shot

> or are severely injured and in need of trauma care.

>

> Contact information follows:

>

> Robert Gates

> Secretary of Defense

> 1000 Defense Pentagon

> Washington, DC 20301-1000

>

> Rep. Duncan Hunter, Chair

> House Armed Services Committee

> 2120 Rayburn House Office Building

> Washington, DC 20515

>

> Senator John Warner, Chair

> Senate Armed Services Committee

> 228 Russell Senate Office Building

> Washington, DC 20510

>

November 29, 2006

I must agree with LPC. AAPN is a forum for diseminating news and

information about animal issues.

I think bringing up details of any other military atrocity (which are many

and not reserved for the " Anglo-American coalition " - whatever that

assertion might mean) is irrelevant and not constructive.

I think we should all remember what this forum is for and one of its

purposes is certainly not to try to " shoot down " each other for the news

they try to post.

I did not read that article to mean that LPC thought the treatment of these

pigs was worse than the treatment of any human - and I'm sure it was not

meant that way.

On 28/11/06, wrote:

>

> *DOES THIS COME AS ANY SURPRISE CONSIDERING THAT THE ANGLO AMERICAN

> COALITION HAS KILLED 650,000 CIVILIANS IN COLD BLOOD TO 'LIBERATE' IRAQ?

> KILLING PIGS AND SETTING THEM ON FIRE IS UNQUESTIONABLY WRONG BUT IT IS

> ALSO

> WRONG TO USE DEPLETED URANIUM TO KILL TWO MONTH OLD BABIES. IT IS ALSO

> WRONG

> TO URINATE AND DEFECATE ON PRISONERS. IT ALSO WRONG TO SHOOT JOURNALISTS

> ON

> DUTY. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO USE ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON PEOPLE DURING

> INTERROGATION. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO MASTURBATE ON PEOPLE TO HAVE PHOTOS

> TAKEN

> FOR FUN. HUMANS ARE ALSO ANIMALS, RIGHT? CONCERN FOR PIGS IS FINE BUT

> THERE

> MUST BE CONCERN FOR PEOPLE AS WELL. ANY ANIMAL RIGHTS SCHEME THAT

> DISREGARDS

> HUMAN RIGHTS CAN ONLY FLOUNDER. THIS IS UNCOMFORTABLE BUT IT HAS TO

> BE REMINDED TO KEEP ISSUES IN PERSPECTIVE.*

>

> On 11/27/06, Le Petit Chien <perro10 <perro10%40xs4all.nl>>

> wrote:

> >

> > (Crossposted from another newsgroup)

> >

> > Originally Posted by rayshick

<rayshick%40msn.com><rayshick%40msn.com>

>

> > Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:31 am (PST)

> >

> > Pigs Shot, Set on Fire in Military Training

> >

>

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> >

> > Tell DOD (Department of Defense) To Stop Cruel Training Exercises,

> > Develop More Appropriate Human Trauma Models

> >

> > A recent article in The New York Times profiled a Navy medic in Iraq

> > who is treating wounded combat soldiers. In interviewing the medic,

> > the Times asked the 22-year-old how he trained for the job. The

> > medic said he took several courses before he was deployed, including

> > one advanced trauma treatment program where instructors gave each

> > corpsman an anesthetized pig. His pig was shot eight times and set

> > on fire during a 15-hour time period during which the medic worked

> > to keep the pig alive.

> >

> > Excerpt from the article: (NYTimes, Nov. 2, 2006)

> >

> > Petty Officer Kirby began to list the schools he had attended to be

> > ready for this moment. Some he had paid for himself, he said, to be

> > extra-prepared.

> >

> > In one course, an advanced trauma treatment program he had taken

> > before deploying, he said, the instructors gave each corpsman an

> > anesthetized pig.

> >

> > " The idea is to work with live tissue, " he said. " You get a pig and

> > you keep it alive. And every time I did something to help him, they

> > would wound him again. So you see what shock does, and what happens

> > when more wounds are received by a wounded creature. "

> >

> > " My pig? " he said. " They shot him twice in the face with a 9-

> > millimeter pistol, and then six times with an AK-47 and then twice

> > with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he was set on fire. "

> >

> > " I kept him alive for 15 hours, " he said. " That was my pig, " he said.

> > For complete article, go to:

> >

> > Please contact the Secretary of Defense and chairs of the

> > Congressional Armed Services Committees about this matter.

> >

> > * Urge them to cut funding for and endorsement of this type of

> > training.

> >

> > * Tell them that there is enough violence in the world and that

> > causing animals to suffer over human-made conflicts is inappropriate

> >

> > * Tell them that there are humane ways to learn about trauma

> > medicine, including by participating with human physicians in

> > hospitals all over the United States on patients who have been shot

> > or are severely injured and in need of trauma care.

> >

> > Contact information follows:

> >

> > Robert Gates

> > Secretary of Defense

> > 1000 Defense Pentagon

> > Washington, DC 20301-1000

> >

> > Rep. Duncan Hunter, Chair

> > House Armed Services Committee

> > 2120 Rayburn House Office Building

> > Washington, DC 20515

> >

> > Senator John Warner, Chair

> > Senate Armed Services Committee

> > 228 Russell Senate Office Building

> > Washington, DC 20510

> >

November 30, 2006

Dear ,

I think in order to advocate animal rights, we - the human activists

for animal rights have to keep our focus exclusively concentrated

on " ANIMALS " and their " RIGHTS " and " WELFARE " and nothing else.

Otherwise what difference does it make between us and the selfish

Governmental policies etc which despite framing laws and rules for

animal welfare give priority when it comes to ther human brethrens.

What difference does it make to the sufferings of an animal when you

try explaining the animal about the wrong doings of your fellow

human beings ?

Why are you there for ?

Why are we for ?

Why is AAPN for ?

Human rights posts should simply not be permitted on AAPN.

They can be sent to the hundreds of Human Rights links on Google,

Viz: Amnesty International ( I am sure such posts shall always be

respected and not criticized as it is on AAPN ).

I have 1st hand experince when last year there were riots between

two ethnic tribes of Assam, the Karbis and the Dimasas ( some

political issue ). As a result of which people in busses were burnt

alive, huts and villages were burnt. Valuable human lives were lost.

Animals were set on fire. Huge compensation was paid by the

Government later.

I reached a spot 24 hrs hours later for news reporting after one bus

full of 24 people was set on fire killing all the passengers and

also a Village where many houses were set ablaze, I saw there were

no villagers, some had died, some fled to neighbouring safe areas,

rest were either killed or nursing wounds in hospitals and rehab

camps far away.

Then I saw something which was sad, very tragic.

I saw the injured animals, livestock, cattle, pigs, poultry without

their guardians, searching for food around the burnt huts.

Not a single grain was to be found. No food !

Although for the poultry and the cattle and livestock they managed

to graze in the surrounding greenery.

But there was simply nothing for the DOGS, and they were many.

They were starving, they came running to me and my crew, for they

saw HUMANS. The same HUMANS who they were dependent on. They knew

they will get food. What they didnt know was that they I would soon

leave them to die a painful death due to starvation.

I was not carrying any food, nothing but bottles of mineral water.

I was helpless, I could see their eyes, I could feel what they

wanted, but I was miles away from civilisation.

I cursed myself for not taking anything, because there was a curfew

in that whole region. Even our priority was to reach that areas

asap, so food arrangement was something no one had thought of.

I know the DOGS later starved to death, because the situation was so

tense that even para military was not daring to carry out combing

operations.

I am sure you understand the militancy and insurgency in this region.

I have reported in this region for six years now.

I have always seen that the Government sets up Rehabilitation,

rescue camps for the HUMANS, Medical camps for the HUMANS, but

nothing for the animals in distress.Animal welfare in such

situations is always lowest on priority.

Last year there was an incident when the Indian Army came to know of

ULFA militants camping inside the Dibru Saikhowa National Park in

Assam. They went for a combing operation, many days of cross fire,

several animals were displaced, killed, poached because of this from

both the sides.

All the conservation efforts of the wildlife went in vain. Why?

Because human lives were at risk.

We all know, there is a HUMAN RIGHTS lobby which is strong enough to

take note of the human attrocities and also the ailing humans are

alteast strong enough to speak up.

But not the animals. It we, and only we as animal rights advocates

who carry some hope for the animal kingdom in distress.

Never have I come across the Indian Government or any organisation

on the lines of the Red Cross etc who rush with an SOS for animals

in distress during conflicts, apart from NGOs.

A WAR like IRAQ may a times catchs the international attention of

groups like PETA and others where many animals do get justice.

But several hundreds of incidents like I mentioned go unseen

unheard, and if our attitudes towards prioritizing human rights for

animal rights does not change. The future for animal rights indeed

will be weak.

So my friend Shubho, please can we try and collectively think of

only animal rights/welfare.

I know most of us would agree after all this is theonly reason we

are on AAPN, or atleast I am.

Azam Siddiqui

------------------

THE ANGLO AMERICAN

> > COALITION HAS KILLED 650,000 CIVILIANS IN COLD BLOOD

TO 'LIBERATE' IRAQ?

> > KILLING PIGS AND SETTING THEM ON FIRE IS UNQUESTIONABLY WRONG

BUT IT IS

> > ALSO

> > WRONG TO USE DEPLETED URANIUM TO KILL TWO MONTH OLD BABIES. IT

IS ALSO

> > WRONG

> > TO URINATE AND DEFECATE ON PRISONERS. IT ALSO WRONG TO SHOOT

JOURNALISTS

> > ON

> > DUTY. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO USE ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON PEOPLE DURING

> > INTERROGATION. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO MASTURBATE ON PEOPLE TO HAVE

PHOTOS

> > TAKEN

> > FOR FUN. HUMANS ARE ALSO ANIMALS, RIGHT? CONCERN FOR PIGS IS

FINE BUT

> > THERE

> > MUST BE CONCERN FOR PEOPLE AS WELL. ANY ANIMAL RIGHTS SCHEME THAT

> > DISREGARDS

> > HUMAN RIGHTS CAN ONLY FLOUNDER

aapn , " Sonia Gibbon " <sonia.gibbon wrote:

>

> I must agree with LPC. AAPN is a forum for diseminating news and

> information about animal issues.

>

> I think bringing up details of any other military atrocity (which

are many

> and not reserved for the " Anglo-American coalition " - whatever that

> assertion might mean) is irrelevant and not constructive.

>

> I think we should all remember what this forum is for and one of

its

> purposes is certainly not to try to " shoot down " each other for

the news

> they try to post.

>

> I did not read that article to mean that LPC thought the treatment

of these

> pigs was worse than the treatment of any human - and I'm sure it

was not

> meant that way.

>

> On 28/11/06, wrote:

> >

> > *DOES THIS COME AS ANY SURPRISE CONSIDERING THAT THE ANGLO

AMERICAN

> > COALITION HAS KILLED 650,000 CIVILIANS IN COLD BLOOD

TO 'LIBERATE' IRAQ?

> > KILLING PIGS AND SETTING THEM ON FIRE IS UNQUESTIONABLY WRONG

BUT IT IS

> > ALSO

> > WRONG TO USE DEPLETED URANIUM TO KILL TWO MONTH OLD BABIES. IT

IS ALSO

> > WRONG

> > TO URINATE AND DEFECATE ON PRISONERS. IT ALSO WRONG TO SHOOT

JOURNALISTS

> > ON

> > DUTY. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO USE ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON PEOPLE DURING

> > INTERROGATION. IT IS ALSO WRONG TO MASTURBATE ON PEOPLE TO HAVE

PHOTOS

> > TAKEN

> > FOR FUN. HUMANS ARE ALSO ANIMALS, RIGHT? CONCERN FOR PIGS IS

FINE BUT

> > THERE

> > MUST BE CONCERN FOR PEOPLE AS WELL. ANY ANIMAL RIGHTS SCHEME THAT

> > DISREGARDS

> > HUMAN RIGHTS CAN ONLY FLOUNDER. THIS IS UNCOMFORTABLE BUT IT HAS

TO

> > BE REMINDED TO KEEP ISSUES IN PERSPECTIVE.*

> >

> > On 11/27/06, Le Petit Chien <perro10 <perro10%40xs4all.nl>>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > (Crossposted from another newsgroup)

> > >

> > > Originally Posted by rayshick <rayshick%

40msn.com><rayshick%40msn.com>

> >

> > > Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:31 am (PST)

> > >

> > > Pigs Shot, Set on Fire in Military Training

> > >

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> > >

> > > Tell DOD (Department of Defense) To Stop Cruel Training

Exercises,

> > > Develop More Appropriate Human Trauma Models

> > >

> > > A recent article in The New York Times profiled a Navy medic

in Iraq

> > > who is treating wounded combat soldiers. In interviewing the

medic,

> > > the Times asked the 22-year-old how he trained for the job. The

> > > medic said he took several courses before he was deployed,

including

> > > one advanced trauma treatment program where instructors gave

each

> > > corpsman an anesthetized pig. His pig was shot eight times and

set

> > > on fire during a 15-hour time period during which the medic

worked

> > > to keep the pig alive.

> > >

> > > Excerpt from the article: (NYTimes, Nov. 2, 2006)

> > >

> > > Petty Officer Kirby began to list the schools he had attended

to be

> > > ready for this moment. Some he had paid for himself, he said,

to be

> > > extra-prepared.

> > >

> > > In one course, an advanced trauma treatment program he had

taken

> > > before deploying, he said, the instructors gave each corpsman

an

> > > anesthetized pig.

> > >

> > > " The idea is to work with live tissue, " he said. " You get a

pig and

> > > you keep it alive. And every time I did something to help him,

they

> > > would wound him again. So you see what shock does, and what

happens

> > > when more wounds are received by a wounded creature. "

> > >

> > > " My pig? " he said. " They shot him twice in the face with a 9-

> > > millimeter pistol, and then six times with an AK-47 and then

twice

> > > with a 12-gauge shotgun. And then he was set on fire. "

> > >

> > > " I kept him alive for 15 hours, " he said. " That was my pig, "

he said.

> > > For complete article, go to:

> > >

> > > Please contact the Secretary of Defense and chairs of the

> > > Congressional Armed Services Committees about this matter.

> > >

> > > * Urge them to cut funding for and endorsement of this type of

> > > training.

> > >

> > > * Tell them that there is enough violence in the world and that

> > > causing animals to suffer over human-made conflicts is

inappropriate

> > >

> > > * Tell them that there are humane ways to learn about trauma

> > > medicine, including by participating with human physicians in

> > > hospitals all over the United States on patients who have been

shot

> > > or are severely injured and in need of trauma care.

> > >

> > > Contact information follows:

> > >

> > > Robert Gates

> > > Secretary of Defense

> > > 1000 Defense Pentagon

> > > Washington, DC 20301-1000

> > >

> > > Rep. Duncan Hunter, Chair

> > > House Armed Services Committee

> > > 2120 Rayburn House Office Building

> > > Washington, DC 20515

> > >

> > > Senator John Warner, Chair

> > > Senate Armed Services Committee

> > > 228 Russell Senate Office Building

> > > Washington, DC 20510

> > >

November 30, 2006

Hear, hear!

Chinny

azam24x7 [azamsiddiqui]

Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:12 PM

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