Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 <Well before was born, I was involved in helping journalists, poets, teachers, and others > Fair enough, Sir ! As someone who was perhaps born just a couple of years earlier than , even I too have serious thoughts which I may like to express in full integrity and honour of 'Freedom of Speech and Press'. I hope you take this as healthy criticism because atleast this time I have tried not to be 'profoundly ignorant' of the fact that there are many people who perhaps having born in the same time and having served in this world for many years now in the field of animal rights have strict reservations against you. Even if I may believe and sometimes I truly do that you are an accomplished Journalist yet, why is it then that the Great Professor Gary Francione has this to say about you: http://articles.animalconcerns.org/ar-voices/archive/nabr.html You say in your lifetime you have been helping journalists, poets, teachers, and others. Does the 'others' include animals as well ?? Azam Siddiqui On 2/22/07, Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl wrote: > > With all due respect to Paul Watson's > positive accomplishments, his equation of the > present criminal charges against Rod Coronado > with alleged repression of free speech is > paranoid gibberish. > > So is his denunciation of the recently > passed Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. In final > form, AETA included this language, introduced > by Diane Feinstein, the Democratic Senator from > San Francisco who has one of the very best > pro-animal and pro-civil liberties records in > U.S. politics: > > " The term 'economic damage'[the subject > of AETA] Š does not include any lawful economic > disruption (including a lawful boycott) that > results from lawful public, governmental, or > business reaction to the disclosure of > information about an animal enterprise. " > > Further, under " Rules of Construction " : > > " Nothing in this section shall be > construed (1) to prohibit any expressive conduct > (including peaceful picketing or other peaceful > demonstration) protected from legal prohibition > by the First Amendment to the Constitution " or > " (2) to create new remedies for interference with > activities protected by the free speech or free > exercise clauses of the First Amendment to the > Constitution, regardless of the point of view > expressed. " > > In fact, all AETA really does is > consolidate into one piece of legislation the > various penalties that already might have been > brought against people who commit bombings, > arsons, and other violent crimes in the name of > animal advocacy. > > This is consistent with how penalties > have been consolidated in much recent pro-animal > legislation, e.g. the introduction of felony > penalties for specific types of egregious cruelty. > > With that clarified, let me point out > that I had already been putting my butt on the > line for authentic freedom of speech & press for > several years before Paul Watson cofounded > Greenpeace. > > In the same year that Watson's public > career began, I began publishing a magazine > called SAMISDAT, which for 242 monthly editions > was instrumental in giving voice to anti-war > Vietnam veterans (I was among the very first to > publish many of the best-known anti-war Namvets), > opponents of U.S. support of Latin American > dictatorships, opponents of nuclear weapons, > advocates of civil liberties in all parts of the > world, proponents of women's rights and gay > rights, and yes, animal rights. > > Well before was born, > I was involved in helping journalists, poets, > teachers, and others who had run into trouble > for exercise of freedom of speech and press to > find safe refuge in the U.S. and Canada--and was > also involved in bootlegging alternative > publishing know-how and technology into Poland, > China, and miscellaneous police states. > > (I was in fact the founder of an > organization called Alternative Poland, which in > 1982-1983 routed technological information to the > Polish organization Solidarity.) > > My book The SAMISDAT Method: A > Do-It-Yourself Guide to Printing may be the most > widely distributed how-to manual ever written on > how publish on a budget of nothing. It is not > about the business side of publishing; it is > about building, rebuilding, maintaining, and > using inexpensive printing equipment (offset > presses, mimeograph machines, spirit > duplicators), written for publishers working > under remote and primitive conditions. > > It is now technologically very obsolete > in the developed world, but I still receive > requests for it from time to time from Africa, > Asia, and eastern Europe, and always send it at > my own expense.. > > None of this activity had a thing in > common with the most recent charges against Rod > Coronado, which result from his having given an > audience rather explicit instructions about how > to manufacture gasoline bombs. > > I didn't spent half my life promoting the > notion that " Freedom of the press belongs to > those who own a press " to further the activities > of bomb-throwers. > > Bomb-throwers, and those who incite them, belong in jail. > > My purpose was to encourage the > expression and distribution of much better and > more effective ideas than just the sorry old > dictum that " Might makes right. " > > -- > Merritt Clifton > Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE > P.O. Box 960 > Clinton, WA 98236 > > Telephone: 360-579-2505 > Fax: 360-579-2575 > E-mail: anmlpepl <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> > Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org > > [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent > newspaper providing original investigative > coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded > in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes > the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal > protection organizations. We have no alignment > or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; > for free sample, send address.] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 >why is it then that the Great Professor Gary Francione has >this to say about you: > >http://articles.animalconcerns.org/ar-voices/archive/nabr.html Thank you for providing the link. Readers who go there will see first my remarks to the members of the National Association for Biomedical Research 11 years ago, which closely parallel my AAPN comments about people who practice terrorism in the name of animal rights. Of note, however, is that the intensity of violence involved in ALF attacks escalated markedly within the next several years of my summary of their actions. At that time the bombings and arsons had just barely begun. I went on to recommend that both biomedical researchers and opponents of animal experimentation should pursue a 10-point peace plan for promoting more ethical and productive discourse. Many have. Part of the peace place was that universities should " Halt classroom dissection exercises at all levels below upper division university level courses for people majoring or minoring in biomedical subjects, " and " Quit buying animals from Class B dealers. " Both recommendations have now been adopted at far more institutions than not. Following my remarks, Francione in my estimation made a fool of himself. Others may draw whatever conclusions they wish. -- Merritt Clifton Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE P.O. Box 960 Clinton, WA 98236 Telephone: 360-579-2505 Fax: 360-579-2575 E-mail: anmlpepl Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal protection organizations. We have no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; for free sample, send address.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 > Well before was born, > I was involved in helping journalists, poets, > teachers, and others who had run into trouble > for exercise of freedom of speech and press to > find safe refuge in the U.S. and Canada--and was > also involved in bootlegging alternative > publishing know-how and technology into Poland, > China, and miscellaneous police states. Working in the media industry myself, I can only admire, applaud and appreciate the effort of any individual to forward the cause of the freedom of speech and press even if he does not share all my beliefs and ideologies. The Poland bit is very interesting since today the Telegraph has published my tribute to Ryszard Kapuscinski, who as the sole foreign correspondent of the Polish Press agency, created a record of sorts by covering 27 wars and coups and has been described by the media as " the best reporter of the twentieth century. " However, I must point out that concerns about the freedom of the press are not restricted to police states. The American press is among the very best in the world but there have been concerns about bias and partisan reporting especially after September 9/11. One of the most succinct commentaries on the assault on press freedom in US in recent times is Australian journalist John Pilger's book, " Tell Me No Lies. " I would therefore say that I share Paul Watson's concern about the current state of press freedom in North America on animal and other issues. > My book The SAMISDAT Method: A > Do-It-Yourself Guide to Printing may be the most > widely distributed how-to manual ever written on > how publish on a budget of nothing. This is a commendable and a very significant achievement and I would very much like to read the book. > I didn't spent half my life promoting the > notion that " Freedom of the press belongs to > those who own a press " to further the activities > of bomb-throwers. Sir Arthur C Clarke, who is a champion of press freedom and also an environmental activist, recently wrote an article in the Indian magazine Outlook saying that, " Historically, organised and commercialised mass media have existed only in the past five centuries, since the first newspapers—as we know them—emerged in Europe. Before the printing press was invented, all news was local and there were few gatekeepers controlling its flow. Having evolved highly centralised systems of media for half a millennium, we are now returning to a second era of mass media—in the true sense of that term. Blogs, wikis and citizen journalism are all signs of things to come. The American writer A.J. Leibling once said, " Freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. " This was very much the case—until recently. In theory, at least, the internet now enables everyone who owns a computer to have her own 'printing press' and 'broadcast station'. " Even as I write the most popular citizen journalism site, Oh My News International, is calling for individuals all over the world to post articles on the condition of animals in zoos and aquariums. Link here : http://english.ohmynews.com/TALK_BACK/bbs_view.asp?ba_code=108 & bb_code=472141 Whether the press and media should further the objectives of alleged bomb throwers is a complex topic. It was the perceived bias in the Western media in reporting events of the current political scenario that led to the rise of one of the most sensational channels, Al Jazeera in Qatar, that has been regularly presenting the views of militants in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Animal Liberation Front maintains that there is a similar bias against them in the mainstream Western media. One American journalist, Jane Velez Mitchell, testifies to this in the film. It is quite apparent that Paul Watson's concerns are shared by many in the media industry in US and UK. Whether airing the views of the Animal Liberation Front amounts to furthering the objectives of bomb throwers is questionable since journalists the world over present the views of alleged terrorists and militants in consonance with accepted journalistic standards. > Bomb-throwers, and those who incite them, belong in jail. > My purpose was to encourage the > expression and distribution of much better and > more effective ideas than just the sorry old > dictum that " Might makes right. " The film has encouraged me to read more about the activities of the Animal Liberation Front and other groups that believe in direct action on animal rights and environmental issues. It is apparent that there is a conflict between ends and means in this context. I found the ten point dialogue proposal quite interesting and would be keen to know if the ALF negotiates with medical researchers at all. At least one individual, Ingrid Newkirk, has made it cogent that she has and is not satisfied with the outcome and therefore she lends support to direct action. The clash of interest in direct action has been addressed by many. Steve Best, a philosophy professor, has written a summary of the philosophy of the Animal Liberation Front that is well worth reading : http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Behind_The_Mask.pdf But one of the most balanced perspectives on this dilemma of direct action in the animal rights movement was given by Peter Singer in his book 'Animal Liberation'. Many of us have read the book but it is well worth recapitulating his comments since it exposes the prevalent dilemma in the animal rights movement. Singer says, " The wrongs we inflict on other species is undeniable once they are seen plainly and it is in the rightness of our cause, and not the fear of our bombs, that our prospects of victory lie. " However, he also expresses admiration of direct action thus: " No one who understands just what animals are enduring can be critical of impatience. In the face of continuing atrocity it is scarely enough to sit back and write letters. The need is to help animals now. But how? The usual legitimate channels for political protest are slow and uncertain. Should one break in and free the animals? That is illegal, but the obligation to obey the law is not absolute. It was justifiably broken by those who helped runaway slaves in the American South, to mention only one possible parallel. A more serious problem is the liberation of animals from laboratories and factory farms can only be a token gesture, for the researchers will simply order another batch of animals, and who can find homes for a thousand factory farm pigs or 100,000 hens? Raids by Animal Liberation Front groups in several countries have been more effective when they have obtained evidence of animal abuse that could not otherwise have come to light. In the case of the raid on Dr Thomas Gennarelli's laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania, for example, stolen videotapes provided the evidence that finally convinced even the secretary for health and human services that the experiments must stop. It is hard to imagine that this result could have been achieved in any other way, and I have nothing but praise for the courageous, caring and thoughtful people who carried out that particular action. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Forgive me if I'm disillusioned - but I felt that AAPN was a forum to share information and experiences to help all of us grow stronger and further the Animal Welfare movement. Recently it seems to have become a bit of a metaphorical boxing ring and I'm not entirely sure why we need this public display of " I'm better than you " . I particulary take offense to the " India is better than Westerners " . This seems to come out of one incident (Elephant Polo) which was supported by some aristocratic fools who certainly do not represent England's people - let alone the West. There also seems to be some confusion about the Freedom of Speech issue. Some are vehemently defending the rights of " Animal Liberators " to speak freely - and at the same time, cutting down Merritt for expressing his own opinion. I'm not sure how that works. We don't all have to agree on methods employed, who we like and who we dont like. Surely we just have to remember that we're fighting for animals. If animals had a voice surely they'd ask us not to fight amongst ourselves? Might I respectfully request that we allow everyone to have an opinion even if it differs from our own - as we already know that we are at least trying to fight on the same team; and try to keep AAPN as the constructive forum that it is? On 22/02/07, AZAM SIDDIQUI <azam24x7 wrote: > > <Well before was born, > I was involved in helping journalists, poets, > teachers, and others > > > Fair enough, Sir ! > > As someone who was perhaps born just a couple of years earlier than > , even I too have serious thoughts which I may like to express > in > full integrity and honour of 'Freedom of Speech and Press'. > > I hope you take this as healthy criticism because atleast this time I have > tried not to be 'profoundly ignorant' of the fact that there are many > people > who perhaps having born in the same time and having served in this world > for > many years now in the field of animal rights have strict reservations > against you. > > Even if I may believe and sometimes I truly do that you are an > accomplished > Journalist yet, why is it then that the Great Professor Gary Francione has > this to say about you: > > http://articles.animalconcerns.org/ar-voices/archive/nabr.html > > You say in your lifetime you have been helping journalists, poets, > teachers, > and others. > > Does the 'others' include animals as well ?? > > Azam Siddiqui > > > > > On 2/22/07, Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl wrote: > > > > With all due respect to Paul Watson's > > positive accomplishments, his equation of the > > present criminal charges against Rod Coronado > > with alleged repression of free speech is > > paranoid gibberish. > > > > So is his denunciation of the recently > > passed Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. In final > > form, AETA included this language, introduced > > by Diane Feinstein, the Democratic Senator from > > San Francisco who has one of the very best > > pro-animal and pro-civil liberties records in > > U.S. politics: > > > > " The term 'economic damage'[the subject > > of AETA] Š does not include any lawful economic > > disruption (including a lawful boycott) that > > results from lawful public, governmental, or > > business reaction to the disclosure of > > information about an animal enterprise. " > > > > Further, under " Rules of Construction " : > > > > " Nothing in this section shall be > > construed (1) to prohibit any expressive conduct > > (including peaceful picketing or other peaceful > > demonstration) protected from legal prohibition > > by the First Amendment to the Constitution " or > > " (2) to create new remedies for interference with > > activities protected by the free speech or free > > exercise clauses of the First Amendment to the > > Constitution, regardless of the point of view > > expressed. " > > > > In fact, all AETA really does is > > consolidate into one piece of legislation the > > various penalties that already might have been > > brought against people who commit bombings, > > arsons, and other violent crimes in the name of > > animal advocacy. > > > > This is consistent with how penalties > > have been consolidated in much recent pro-animal > > legislation, e.g. the introduction of felony > > penalties for specific types of egregious cruelty. > > > > With that clarified, let me point out > > that I had already been putting my butt on the > > line for authentic freedom of speech & press for > > several years before Paul Watson cofounded > > Greenpeace. > > > > In the same year that Watson's public > > career began, I began publishing a magazine > > called SAMISDAT, which for 242 monthly editions > > was instrumental in giving voice to anti-war > > Vietnam veterans (I was among the very first to > > publish many of the best-known anti-war Namvets), > > opponents of U.S. support of Latin American > > dictatorships, opponents of nuclear weapons, > > advocates of civil liberties in all parts of the > > world, proponents of women's rights and gay > > rights, and yes, animal rights. > > > > Well before was born, > > I was involved in helping journalists, poets, > > teachers, and others who had run into trouble > > for exercise of freedom of speech and press to > > find safe refuge in the U.S. and Canada--and was > > also involved in bootlegging alternative > > publishing know-how and technology into Poland, > > China, and miscellaneous police states. > > > > (I was in fact the founder of an > > organization called Alternative Poland, which in > > 1982-1983 routed technological information to the > > Polish organization Solidarity.) > > > > My book The SAMISDAT Method: A > > Do-It-Yourself Guide to Printing may be the most > > widely distributed how-to manual ever written on > > how publish on a budget of nothing. It is not > > about the business side of publishing; it is > > about building, rebuilding, maintaining, and > > using inexpensive printing equipment (offset > > presses, mimeograph machines, spirit > > duplicators), written for publishers working > > under remote and primitive conditions. > > > > It is now technologically very obsolete > > in the developed world, but I still receive > > requests for it from time to time from Africa, > > Asia, and eastern Europe, and always send it at > > my own expense.. > > > > None of this activity had a thing in > > common with the most recent charges against Rod > > Coronado, which result from his having given an > > audience rather explicit instructions about how > > to manufacture gasoline bombs. > > > > I didn't spent half my life promoting the > > notion that " Freedom of the press belongs to > > those who own a press " to further the activities > > of bomb-throwers. > > > > Bomb-throwers, and those who incite them, belong in jail. > > > > My purpose was to encourage the > > expression and distribution of much better and > > more effective ideas than just the sorry old > > dictum that " Might makes right. " > > > > -- > > Merritt Clifton > > Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE > > P.O. Box 960 > > Clinton, WA 98236 > > > > Telephone: 360-579-2505 > > Fax: 360-579-2575 > > E-mail: anmlpepl <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> > > Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org > > > > [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent > > newspaper providing original investigative > > coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded > > in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes > > the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal > > protection organizations. We have no alignment > > or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; > > for free sample, send address.] > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Thanks Sonia. Completely agree to your concern. Let aapn be a forum for animals. Constructive cooperation will lead to overall progess in the desired direction. AAPN postings in my inbox, to be honest, are mostly deleted . I could, of course, opt for myself to be deleted from the mailing list but I don't want to miss on certain topics and debate which could be of some use. But in the recent past flurry of " cut-paste mails " and depraved condemnation of each other has left me bewildered if I were not wasting my time. Sorry to be critical. At the end of the day, it is my responsibility to assimilate what is beneficial for the betterment of " animal's world " and drop the junk in my thrash folder. Best wishes to all. Keep it up. ------------------ Dr Naveen Pandey Shelter vet Kalimpong Animal Shelter ( A Unit of Help In Suffering) Kalimpong, W.Bengal INDIA 734 301 ------------------ (M) 98320 27208 www.helpinsuffering.org.au ----------------------- - " Sonia Gibbon - 3R " <sonia.gibbon " AZAM SIDDIQUI " <azam24x7 Cc: " Merritt Clifton " <anmlpepl; <aapn > Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:12 AM Re: Freedom of speech & press Forgive me if I'm disillusioned - but I felt that AAPN was a forum to share information and experiences to help all of us grow stronger and further the Animal Welfare movement. Recently it seems to have become a bit of a metaphorical boxing ring and I'm not entirely sure why we need this public display of " I'm better than you " . I particulary take offense to the " India is better than Westerners " . This seems to come out of one incident (Elephant Polo) which was supported by some aristocratic fools who certainly do not represent England's people - let alone the West. There also seems to be some confusion about the Freedom of Speech issue. Some are vehemently defending the rights of " Animal Liberators " to speak freely - and at the same time, cutting down Merritt for expressing his own opinion. I'm not sure how that works. We don't all have to agree on methods employed, who we like and who we dont like. Surely we just have to remember that we're fighting for animals. If animals had a voice surely they'd ask us not to fight amongst ourselves? Might I respectfully request that we allow everyone to have an opinion even if it differs from our own - as we already know that we are at least trying to fight on the same team; and try to keep AAPN as the constructive forum that it is? On 22/02/07, AZAM SIDDIQUI <azam24x7 wrote: > > <Well before was born, > I was involved in helping journalists, poets, > teachers, and others > > > Fair enough, Sir ! > > As someone who was perhaps born just a couple of years earlier than > , even I too have serious thoughts which I may like to express > in > full integrity and honour of 'Freedom of Speech and Press'. > > I hope you take this as healthy criticism because atleast this time I have > tried not to be 'profoundly ignorant' of the fact that there are many > people > who perhaps having born in the same time and having served in this world > for > many years now in the field of animal rights have strict reservations > against you. > > Even if I may believe and sometimes I truly do that you are an > accomplished > Journalist yet, why is it then that the Great Professor Gary Francione has > this to say about you: > > http://articles.animalconcerns.org/ar-voices/archive/nabr.html > > You say in your lifetime you have been helping journalists, poets, > teachers, > and others. > > Does the 'others' include animals as well ?? > > Azam Siddiqui > > > > > On 2/22/07, Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl wrote: > > > > With all due respect to Paul Watson's > > positive accomplishments, his equation of the > > present criminal charges against Rod Coronado > > with alleged repression of free speech is > > paranoid gibberish. > > > > So is his denunciation of the recently > > passed Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. In final > > form, AETA included this language, introduced > > by Diane Feinstein, the Democratic Senator from > > San Francisco who has one of the very best > > pro-animal and pro-civil liberties records in > > U.S. politics: > > > > " The term 'economic damage'[the subject > > of AETA] S does not include any lawful economic > > disruption (including a lawful boycott) that > > results from lawful public, governmental, or > > business reaction to the disclosure of > > information about an animal enterprise. " > > > > Further, under " Rules of Construction " : > > > > " Nothing in this section shall be > > construed (1) to prohibit any expressive conduct > > (including peaceful picketing or other peaceful > > demonstration) protected from legal prohibition > > by the First Amendment to the Constitution " or > > " (2) to create new remedies for interference with > > activities protected by the free speech or free > > exercise clauses of the First Amendment to the > > Constitution, regardless of the point of view > > expressed. " > > > > In fact, all AETA really does is > > consolidate into one piece of legislation the > > various penalties that already might have been > > brought against people who commit bombings, > > arsons, and other violent crimes in the name of > > animal advocacy. > > > > This is consistent with how penalties > > have been consolidated in much recent pro-animal > > legislation, e.g. the introduction of felony > > penalties for specific types of egregious cruelty. > > > > With that clarified, let me point out > > that I had already been putting my butt on the > > line for authentic freedom of speech & press for > > several years before Paul Watson cofounded > > Greenpeace. > > > > In the same year that Watson's public > > career began, I began publishing a magazine > > called SAMISDAT, which for 242 monthly editions > > was instrumental in giving voice to anti-war > > Vietnam veterans (I was among the very first to > > publish many of the best-known anti-war Namvets), > > opponents of U.S. support of Latin American > > dictatorships, opponents of nuclear weapons, > > advocates of civil liberties in all parts of the > > world, proponents of women's rights and gay > > rights, and yes, animal rights. > > > > Well before was born, > > I was involved in helping journalists, poets, > > teachers, and others who had run into trouble > > for exercise of freedom of speech and press to > > find safe refuge in the U.S. and Canada--and was > > also involved in bootlegging alternative > > publishing know-how and technology into Poland, > > China, and miscellaneous police states. > > > > (I was in fact the founder of an > > organization called Alternative Poland, which in > > 1982-1983 routed technological information to the > > Polish organization Solidarity.) > > > > My book The SAMISDAT Method: A > > Do-It-Yourself Guide to Printing may be the most > > widely distributed how-to manual ever written on > > how publish on a budget of nothing. It is not > > about the business side of publishing; it is > > about building, rebuilding, maintaining, and > > using inexpensive printing equipment (offset > > presses, mimeograph machines, spirit > > duplicators), written for publishers working > > under remote and primitive conditions. > > > > It is now technologically very obsolete > > in the developed world, but I still receive > > requests for it from time to time from Africa, > > Asia, and eastern Europe, and always send it at > > my own expense.. > > > > None of this activity had a thing in > > common with the most recent charges against Rod > > Coronado, which result from his having given an > > audience rather explicit instructions about how > > to manufacture gasoline bombs. > > > > I didn't spent half my life promoting the > > notion that " Freedom of the press belongs to > > those who own a press " to further the activities > > of bomb-throwers. > > > > Bomb-throwers, and those who incite them, belong in jail. > > > > My purpose was to encourage the > > expression and distribution of much better and > > more effective ideas than just the sorry old > > dictum that " Might makes right. " > > > > -- > > Merritt Clifton > > Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE > > P.O. Box 960 > > Clinton, WA 98236 > > > > Telephone: 360-579-2505 > > Fax: 360-579-2575 > > E-mail: anmlpepl <anmlpepl%40whidbey.com> > > Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org > > > > [ANIMAL PEOPLE is the leading independent > > newspaper providing original investigative > > coverage of animal protection worldwide, founded > > in 1992. Our readership of 30,000-plus includes > > the decision-makers at more than 10,000 animal > > protection organizations. We have no alignment > > or affiliation with any other entity. $24/year; > > for free sample, send address.] > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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