Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 What does WAPF stand for? Is it a type of Attached parenting? Thanks, Cassie chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: what i don't understand is why WAPF seems to be so popular with natural family groups when they promote formula above breastfeeding. according to them, a woman should only nurse if she has a perfect diet, and their perfect diet seems impossible, not only physically (how can you eat so much food?!) but financially (i.e. a quart of raw milk a day only from local grass-fed cows, several raw eggs a day from local pastured chickens, several different types a meat every day from local grass-fed animals, cod liver oil, and so on - oh yeah, and by the way also some vegetables if you feel like it...). if a woman doesn't eat their perfect diet, they say, it would be better to feed the baby a formula based on liver, raw milk and eggs. whoo boy, can't wait 'til that baby spits up! chandelle On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Susan Williams <virgo.vegan wrote: > You are not the only one:) I am in FL and also in some natural family > groups. So many WAPF people, and only mine and one other family is vegan. > There are a few vegetarians in the group, but they drink RAW milk (another > WAPF thing) so it's okay and they are still getting their HIGH QUALITY > protein. What shocked me the most was when the other vegan mommy shared > the > mercola.com site with me - I asked her if she knew he was funded by WAPF > and > she didn't know. They sneak in everywhere. She was telling people to use > the formula recipe on that website because it was better than anything you > can buy in the stores. I looked up the recipe and one was beef liver and > raw eggs with olive oil - how can that be good for a baby. So we discussed > it a bit, and I don't know if she just stopped listening to me or if I > really opened her eyes. What is really odd about this situation is she is > about 80% raw food/vegan. Just kills me that people don't research what > they read on the Internet and just take it as valid scientific research > and > so much of it is just bad opinion. > > I had to ask at our last get together (with the natural mommy group) that > we > not discuss WAPF, religion, or politics. Too many of us are on very > opposite ends of the spectrum to have something divide us when we need the > support on extended BFing, co-sleeping, CD, etc... > > Susan > > On 4/1/08, chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > well, i'm glad i'm not the only one! i'm on a natural family living > > group > > as well, a local one, and almost everyone there is a WAP/NT proponent. i > > thought it might just be a utah thing. i can't seem to escape it. i get > so > > tired of being asked to defend my diet against it. what i've found is > that > > rarely does a SAD-eater bother me about it anymore; they know better > now, > > and they almost universally say something along the lines of, " i wish i > > could do that. " it's the WAPFers now who come at me with the ridiculous > > questions like " what about cholesterol? it's essential you know, " or > > " where > > do you get your HIGH-QUALITY protein? " or " well i eat like my ancestors > > ate, > > none of these NEWFANGLED diets. " gag. > > > > chandelle > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Lorraine <ldemi<ldemi%40ucsd.edu> > <ldemi%40ucsd.edu>> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Chandelle, > > > I know what you mean -- I'm on another list, based on natural family > > > living, and it's left and right Weston Price Foundation this, > grass-fed > > > beef that. For a " natural living " group, it's at least 2/3 Weston > Price > > > adherents - all of whom will lose their minds at a vegetarian > > > conversation. (though, have to say, we still have vegetarian > > > conversations.) It's one of the reasons I started joining vegetarian > > > groups - to hear/see info that applies to us. The natural living group > > > provides vital info in other areas of our lives - herbs, homeopathy, > > > " progressive " parenting books, and local info - but anything with a > > > subject line of " Weston Price blah, blah, blah " goes right in the > > > crapper here. :-) > > > Have a great day, > > > Lorraine > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><%40><%40g\ roups.com> [ > > > <%40><%40><%40g\ roups.com>] On > > > Behalf Of chandelle' > > > Monday, March 31, 2008 7:42 AM > > > <%40><%40><%40g\ roups.com> > > > Re: Today's Parade Magazine > > > > > > grrr...i cannot stand that woman. i had to endure having that > ridiculous > > > NY > > > times article sent to me by no fewer than 11 people last year. > luckily, > > > most of them came with the comment, " what this woman says can't be > true, > > > right? ...because your kids have been vegan since birth and they're > the > > > healthiest children i know! " so not all omnivores are complete idiots, > > > ready to fall all over themselves over anybody who encourages them to > > > eat > > > meat. that WAPF...will we ever escape their quackery? it seems like > > > every > > > single person i meet these days is encouraging me to read that > horrible > > > book > > > and spreading the disease that is animal-based dieting. > > > > > > great letter, by the way! > > > > > > chandelle > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:13 PM, <danitamark@earthlin > > > <danitamark%40earthlink.net> k.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello all! > > > > > > > > In response to today's Parade magazine article " 6 Superfoods to > Know " , > > > > written by none other than Nina Planck, (the author of last years NY > > > Times > > > > " Death > > > > by Veganism " opinion piece and also a big fan of Weston Price) I > > > submitted > > > > > > > > the following to > > > > > > > > http://www.parade. <http://www.parade.com/opencms/contactUs.do> > > > > > > com/opencms/contactUs.do > > > > > > > > and I thought you might want to reply to Parade also - so they will > > > stop > > > > using her as a nutrition source. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Danita > > > > > > > > " 6 Superfoods to Know " not a super article to read > > > > > > > > Today's Parade magazine article on " 6 Superfoods to Know " included > > > only > > > > one true superfood and that is nuts. > > > > > > > > Nina Planck's article left out blueberries, sweet potatoes, > broccoli, > > > > tomatoes, > > > > citrus, whole grains, legumes, flax, chia, kale, etc... but somehow > > > > included grass-fed beef. > > > > > > > > Overwhelming data shows that American's high rates of chronic > diseases > > > are > > > > exacerbated by high intakes of beef. The marginal improvement in > > > quality of > > > > grass-fed vs grain-fed beef does not warrant listing it as a > > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > In addition, the limited availability and high price of grass-fed > beef > > > > does not > > > > make it an attractive choice for most American consumers when other > > > much > > > > healthier and cheaper sources of iron, B-vitamins and zinc are > readily > > > > available. > > > > > > > > The jury is still out on the possible benefits of coconut milk- as > Ms. > > > > Planck states herself- and there is plenty of data indicating high > > > intake of > > > > saturated fats, from plants or animals, is not beneficial. Given > that > > > > Americans are overweight and consume too much fat already, it is > > > extremely > > > > premature to feature coconut milk as a " superfood " . > > > > > > > > Cinnamon is a spice that is consumed in such relatively small > > > quantities > > > > and often on high fat, high sugar, refined flour treats that the > > > > " superfoods " aspect > > > > is usually negated by the other characteristics of the food source. > > > > Without such > > > > caveats, eating yet another Cinnabon is the likely outcome for > Parade > > > > readers of > > > > this article. > > > > > > > > Honey, molasses, and olive oil reside at the top of the food > pyramid, > > > > which means > > > > " eat sparingly " , hardly a ringing endorsement or qualification as a > > > > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > In addition to the inferior content of this article, Parade magazine > > > > should not > > > > publish a nutrition article by a writer who promotes the nutrition > > > > quackery of the Weston Price Foundation in her other writings. Her > > > extreme > > > > bias is reflected in her inclusion of grass-fed beef as a > " superfood " . > > > > > > > > Ms. Planck describes herself on her website as > > > > > > > > " ...an advocate for traditional foods, an entrepreneur, and the > > > leading > > > > American > > > > expert on farmers' markets and local food. " > > > > > > > > While long on hyperbole her bio is woefully short on education or > > > > experience in > > > > the field of nutrition or medicine - which probably explains why she > > > > repeatedly > > > > makes nutrition errors in print and on her website. > > > > > > > > Dr. John McDougall's response to her NY Times opinion piece > published > > > May > > > > 2007 > > > > > > > > http://www.drmcdoug > > > <http://www.drmcdougall.com/response_to_ny_times.htm> > > > all.com/response_to_ny_times.htm > > > > > > > > reveals just how misguided Ms. Planck is when it comes to nutrition. > > > > > > > > Please get a registered dietitian or some other qualified person to > > > write > > > > your nutrition articles in the future. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > " religion is not based on evidence. if it were, it would be called > > > science, > > > and no one would believe in it. " > > > > > > ~stephen colbert > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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