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I was knocked off my bike 20 years ago and hit my left knee against a

wall. Years of niggling but not acute pain have now become more

serious. Probably arthritis but that knee is now not walking in a

straight line and hurts. I take a vegan sourced Glycosamine with MSM

but friend say to try Chondroitin. I can only find a fish source of

Chondroitin and as a vegan I can't take it.

Does anyone know of a vegan Chondroitin?

 

Any other vegan advice for easing knee pain please?

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder.com

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Hi Geoff,

 

I've always understood that there's no vegan chondroitin, but I just googled and

found this. You'll have to scroll down a few paragraphs to find it.

 

http://www.differentdaisy.com/nexternalhtml/veg-life-herbal-estrogen-.htm

 

Sorry you're in such pain. Hope you find something to help soonest.

 

Try to have a good New Year despite all :)

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

---

The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

 

 

 

 

________________________________

 

 

I was knocked off my bike 20 years ago and hit my left knee against a

wall. Years of niggling but not acute pain have now become more

serious. Probably arthritis but that knee is now not walking in a

straight line and hurts. I take a vegan sourced Glycosamine with MSM

but friend say to try Chondroitin. I can only find a fish source of

Chondroitin and as a vegan I can't take it.

Does anyone know of a vegan Chondroitin?

 

Any other vegan advice for easing knee pain please?

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder.com

 

 

 

---

 

 

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I use a product called Bio Freeze, you don't take it, you rub it on.... and I

have found exercise helps. Penne

 

Ask me how I fight cancer.

..•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•.

Member Society of Decorative Painters

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" drpatsant " <drpatsant

 

Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:12:47 PM

Re: need knee pain cure

 

 

Hi Geoff,

 

I've always understood that there's no vegan chondroitin, but I just googled and

found this. You'll have to scroll down a few paragraphs to find it.

 

http://www.differen tdaisy.com/ nexternalhtml/ veg-life- herbal-estrogen- .htm

 

Sorry you're in such pain. Hope you find something to help soonest.

 

Try to have a good New Year despite all :)

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

---

The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

I was knocked off my bike 20 years ago and hit my left knee against a

wall. Years of niggling but not acute pain have now become more

serious. Probably arthritis but that knee is now not walking in a

straight line and hurts. I take a vegan sourced Glycosamine with MSM

but friend say to try Chondroitin. I can only find a fish source of

Chondroitin and as a vegan I can't take it.

Does anyone know of a vegan Chondroitin?

 

Any other vegan advice for easing knee pain please?

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder. com

 

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Thanks Pat,

 

You are right in that there is still no vegan Chondroitin product.

The link you gave is for a site that gave advance notice of a vegan

Chondroitin from DEVA. Deva then found they couldn't make it and so

the advance adverts have been withdrawn.

 

Thanks too, Penne. Yes, we have ibuprofen gels and other analgesics I

use to get rid of the pain. Generally I put up with the niggling pain

and only use analgesics while on a hike or a long hilly bike ride. I

hoped not for pain relief but for a cure. If it gets worse I suppose

surgery and a new knee is on the horizon.

 

Off to the kitchen now to prepare a nut roast to same time tomorrow!

 

Best

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder.com

 

, Penne Beckett

<msmoneypenne wrote:

>

> I use a product called Bio Freeze, you don't take it, you rub it

on.... and I have found exercise helps. Penne

>

> Ask me how I fight cancer.

> .•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-

:¦:-·*¨¨*•.

> Member Society of Decorative Painters

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> " drpatsant " <drpatsant

>

> Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:12:47 PM

> Re: need knee pain cure

>

>

> Hi Geoff,

>

> I've always understood that there's no vegan chondroitin, but I

just googled and found this. You'll have to scroll down a few

paragraphs to find it.

>

> http://www.differen tdaisy.com/ nexternalhtml/ veg-life- herbal-

estrogen- .htm

>

> Sorry you're in such pain. Hope you find something to help soonest.

>

> Try to have a good New Year despite all :)

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

> ---

> The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> I was knocked off my bike 20 years ago and hit my left knee against

a

> wall. Years of niggling but not acute pain have now become more

> serious. Probably arthritis but that knee is now not walking in a

> straight line and hurts. I take a vegan sourced Glycosamine with

MSM

> but friend say to try Chondroitin. I can only find a fish source of

> Chondroitin and as a vegan I can't take it.

> Does anyone know of a vegan Chondroitin?

>

> Any other vegan advice for easing knee pain please?

>

> Geoff

> http://geoffnelder. com

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

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Sorry, Geoff. I googled in a hurry and didn't read as much as I should have -

blame it on the time of year :( I remember hearing some time ago that there was

to be vegan chondroitin and therefore . . . Thanks for updating me on that. What

a pest that is for you!

 

New knee? Sounds tricky, although I know people who have them.

 

Good luck - and enjoy whateveer it is you celebrate right now, if you celebrate

right now ;) (We don't.) And Happy New Year!

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

---

The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

Thanks Pat,

 

You are right in that there is still no vegan Chondroitin product.

The link you gave is for a site that gave advance notice of a vegan

Chondroitin from DEVA. Deva then found they couldn't make it and so

the advance adverts have been withdrawn.

 

Thanks too, Penne. Yes, we have ibuprofen gels and other analgesics I

use to get rid of the pain. Generally I put up with the niggling pain

and only use analgesics while on a hike or a long hilly bike ride. I

hoped not for pain relief but for a cure. If it gets worse I suppose

surgery and a new knee is on the horizon.

 

Off to the kitchen now to prepare a nut roast to same time tomorrow!

 

Best

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder.com

 

, Penne Beckett

<msmoneypenne wrote:

>

> I use a product called Bio Freeze, you don't take it, you rub it

on.... and I have found exercise helps. Penne

>

> Ask me how I fight cancer.

> .•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-

:¦:-·*¨¨*•.

> Member Society of Decorative Painters

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> " drpatsant " <drpatsant

>

> Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:12:47 PM

> Re: need knee pain cure

>

>

> Hi Geoff,

>

> I've always understood that there's no vegan chondroitin, but I

just googled and found this. You'll have to scroll down a few

paragraphs to find it.

>

> http://www.differen tdaisy.com/ nexternalhtml/ veg-life- herbal-

estrogen- .htm

>

> Sorry you're in such pain. Hope you find something to help soonest.

>

> Try to have a good New Year despite all :)

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

> ---

> The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> I was knocked off my bike 20 years ago and hit my left knee against

a

> wall. Years of niggling but not acute pain have now become more

> serious. Probably arthritis but that knee is now not walking in a

> straight line and hurts. I take a vegan sourced Glycosamine with

MSM

> but friend say to try Chondroitin. I can only find a fish source of

> Chondroitin and as a vegan I can't take it.

> Does anyone know of a vegan Chondroitin?

>

> Any other vegan advice for easing knee pain please?

>

> Geoff

> http://geoffnelder. com

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

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That's all right Pat.

 

I don't celebrate Christmas as a religious festival though plenty do

around here so I'm up for any excuse to party! Call it winter

solstice or just being amazed that our planet sustains us for another

year!

 

Love and chaos,

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder.com

 

, " drpatsant "

<drpatsant wrote:

>

> Sorry, Geoff. I googled in a hurry and didn't read as much as I

should have - blame it on the time of year :( I remember hearing some

time ago that there was to be vegan chondroitin and therefore . . .

Thanks for updating me on that. What a pest that is for you!

>

> New knee? Sounds tricky, although I know people who have them.

>

> Good luck - and enjoy whateveer it is you celebrate right now, if

you celebrate right now ;) (We don't.) And Happy New Year!

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

> ---

> The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

> Thanks Pat,

>

> You are right in that there is still no vegan Chondroitin product.

> The link you gave is for a site that gave advance notice of a vegan

> Chondroitin from DEVA. Deva then found they couldn't make it and so

> the advance adverts have been withdrawn.

>

> Thanks too, Penne. Yes, we have ibuprofen gels and other analgesics

I

> use to get rid of the pain. Generally I put up with the niggling

pain

> and only use analgesics while on a hike or a long hilly bike ride.

I

> hoped not for pain relief but for a cure. If it gets worse I

suppose

> surgery and a new knee is on the horizon.

>

> Off to the kitchen now to prepare a nut roast to same time

tomorrow!

>

> Best

>

> Geoff

> http://geoffnelder.com

>

> , Penne Beckett

> <msmoneypenne@> wrote:

> >

> > I use a product called Bio Freeze, you don't take it, you rub it

> on.... and I have found exercise helps. Penne

> >

> > Ask me how I fight cancer.

> > .•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-

> :¦:-·*¨¨*•.

> > Member Society of Decorative Painters

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > " drpatsant@ " <drpatsant@>

> >

> > Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:12:47 PM

> > Re: need knee pain cure

> >

> >

> > Hi Geoff,

> >

> > I've always understood that there's no vegan chondroitin, but I

> just googled and found this. You'll have to scroll down a few

> paragraphs to find it.

> >

> > http://www.differen tdaisy.com/ nexternalhtml/ veg-life- herbal-

> estrogen- .htm

> >

> > Sorry you're in such pain. Hope you find something to help

soonest.

> >

> > Try to have a good New Year despite all :)

> >

> > Love and hugs, Pat

> >

> > ---

> > The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > I was knocked off my bike 20 years ago and hit my left knee

against

> a

> > wall. Years of niggling but not acute pain have now become more

> > serious. Probably arthritis but that knee is now not walking in a

> > straight line and hurts. I take a vegan sourced Glycosamine with

> MSM

> > but friend say to try Chondroitin. I can only find a fish source

of

> > Chondroitin and as a vegan I can't take it.

> > Does anyone know of a vegan Chondroitin?

> >

> > Any other vegan advice for easing knee pain please?

> >

> > Geoff

> > http://geoffnelder. com

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

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I find the bio freeze much more powerful than any other product. Exercise does a

lot for pain. I have done 2 half marathons, and I am in much better shape than

before I started exercising. I have arthritis in my hands hip, knees. Penne

 

Ask me how I fight cancer.

..•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•.

Member Society of Decorative Painters

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder

 

Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:22:57 AM

Re: need knee pain cure

 

 

That's all right Pat.

 

I don't celebrate Christmas as a religious festival though plenty do

around here so I'm up for any excuse to party! Call it winter

solstice or just being amazed that our planet sustains us for another

year!

 

Love and chaos,

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder. com

 

, " drpatsant@. .. "

<drpatsant@. ..> wrote:

>

> Sorry, Geoff. I googled in a hurry and didn't read as much as I

should have - blame it on the time of year :( I remember hearing some

time ago that there was to be vegan chondroitin and therefore . . .

Thanks for updating me on that. What a pest that is for you!

>

> New knee? Sounds tricky, although I know people who have them.

>

> Good luck - and enjoy whateveer it is you celebrate right now, if

you celebrate right now ;) (We don't.) And Happy New Year!

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

> ---

> The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

> Thanks Pat,

>

> You are right in that there is still no vegan Chondroitin product.

> The link you gave is for a site that gave advance notice of a vegan

> Chondroitin from DEVA. Deva then found they couldn't make it and so

> the advance adverts have been withdrawn.

>

> Thanks too, Penne. Yes, we have ibuprofen gels and other analgesics

I

> use to get rid of the pain. Generally I put up with the niggling

pain

> and only use analgesics while on a hike or a long hilly bike ride.

I

> hoped not for pain relief but for a cure. If it gets worse I

suppose

> surgery and a new knee is on the horizon.

>

> Off to the kitchen now to prepare a nut roast to same time

tomorrow!

>

> Best

>

> Geoff

> http://geoffnelder. com

>

> , Penne Beckett

> <msmoneypenne@ > wrote:

> >

> > I use a product called Bio Freeze, you don't take it, you rub it

> on.... and I have found exercise helps. Penne

> >

> > Ask me how I fight cancer.

> > .•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-

> :¦:-·*¨¨*•.

> > Member Society of Decorative Painters

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " drpatsant@ " <drpatsant@>

> >

> > Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:12:47 PM

> > Re: need knee pain cure

> >

> >

> > Hi Geoff,

> >

> > I've always understood that there's no vegan chondroitin, but I

> just googled and found this. You'll have to scroll down a few

> paragraphs to find it.

> >

> > http://www.differen tdaisy.com/ nexternalhtml/ veg-life- herbal-

> estrogen- .htm

> >

> > Sorry you're in such pain. Hope you find something to help

soonest.

> >

> > Try to have a good New Year despite all :)

> >

> > Love and hugs, Pat

> >

> > ---

> > The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > I was knocked off my bike 20 years ago and hit my left knee

against

> a

> > wall. Years of niggling but not acute pain have now become more

> > serious. Probably arthritis but that knee is now not walking in a

> > straight line and hurts. I take a vegan sourced Glycosamine with

> MSM

> > but friend say to try Chondroitin. I can only find a fish source

of

> > Chondroitin and as a vegan I can't take it.

> > Does anyone know of a vegan Chondroitin?

> >

> > Any other vegan advice for easing knee pain please?

> >

> > Geoff

> > http://geoffnelder. com

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

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Oh I'm seriously into 'any excuse' :) It's my catchphrase! But I appreciated the

solstice (not necessarily the weather it brought us) and I continue like you to

be amazed! Happy New Year!

 

Love and chaos right back atcha!

 

Pat

 

 

That's all right Pat.

 

I don't celebrate Christmas as a religious festival though plenty do

around here so I'm up for any excuse to party! Call it winter

solstice or just being amazed that our planet sustains us for another

year!

 

Love and chaos,

 

Geoff

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I agree with Pat that Chondroitin is only from animal sources.

 

 

 

One thing that helps in general arthritic-type pain is to regularly take

omega-3 fatty acid supplements. You can buy it made from seaweed. You

don't have to take fish oil!

 

Walnuts and flax seeds are also sources. It has been shown to be good for

the heart and other things, too.

 

 

 

Another thing you HAVE to do with arthritis is do range of motion exercises.

The pain and stiffness only gets worse from disuse. (I know. I have

arthritis and have had one hip replaced.)

 

 

 

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PS Hempseed nut is one of the best sources of protein period. It is also an

incredible source of omega oils.

-

Maida Genser

Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:07 PM

Re: need knee pain cure

 

 

I agree with Pat that Chondroitin is only from animal sources.

 

One thing that helps in general arthritic-type pain is to regularly take

omega-3 fatty acid supplements. You can buy it made from seaweed. You

don't have to take fish oil!

 

Walnuts and flax seeds are also sources. It has been shown to be good for

the heart and other things, too.

 

Another thing you HAVE to do with arthritis is do range of motion exercises.

The pain and stiffness only gets worse from disuse. (I know. I have

arthritis and have had one hip replaced.)

 

~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.

~.~

 

(my signature) from Maida

 

Please sign the petition to allow pets, link in upper left at

www.petsincondos.org

 

Are you shopping online for the holidays? Please use any of the online

shopping malls on www.petsincondos.org/HelpUsHelp.htm.

 

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Can we please take this off-list now?

 

Geoff, I do hope you find a cure - it's really too bad that there's

not a vegan chondroitin (hey, they can put a man to walk on the moon,

but they can't help this man to walk!).

 

I wish we could help further, but perhaps some who have first-hand

experience of something they have taken and which could help could

write to you privately since, as we say, this group is 'the place for

medical advice' - health and nutritional advice, vegan product advice,

yes! All suggestions posted so far have been most appreciated. Thanks!

 

Best, Pat

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I made your statement bold below as I don't get it, his question does relate to

his health. What am I missing here?

 

Ask me how I fight cancer.

..•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•.

Member Society of Decorative Painters

 

 

 

 

________________________________

drpatsant <drpatsant

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 10:23:52 AM

Re: need knee pain cure

 

 

Can we please take this off-list now?

 

Geoff, I do hope you find a cure - it's really too bad that there's

not a vegan chondroitin (hey, they can put a man to walk on the moon,

but they can't help this man to walk!).

 

I wish we could help further, but perhaps some who have first-hand

experience of something they have taken and which could help could

write to you privately since, as we say, this group is 'the place for

medical advice' - health and nutritional advice, vegan product advice,

yes! All suggestions posted so far have been most appreciated. Thanks!

 

Best, Pat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What you are missing here is that further help for Geoff would entail discussion

of medical solutions to his health problem, not nutritional solutions or the

information he originally requested on whether there was vegan chondroitin or a

substitute for it. It's a pity, because one would hope to be able to help. If

anyone can do so, I'd be most grateful, as Geoff is a valued member here.

 

If you need further clarification, please write to me at

vegetarianslimming-owner - okay? Happy to explain, but no more

list time on explanations on my part.

 

Many thanks!

 

Best to all, Pat

 

---

The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Penne Beckett <msmoneypenne

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 11:30:15 AM

Re: Re: need knee pain cure

 

I made your statement bold below as I don't get it, his question does relate to

his health. What am I missing here?

 

Ask me how I fight cancer.

..«*ÕÕ*Ø-:Ô:-Ø*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*Ø-:Ô:-Ø*ÕÕ*«.

Member Society of Decorative Painters

 

 

 

 

________________________________

drpatsant <drpatsant

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 10:23:52 AM

Re: need knee pain cure

 

 

Can we please take this off-list now?

 

Geoff, I do hope you find a cure - it's really too bad that there's

not a vegan chondroitin (hey, they can put a man to walk on the moon,

but they can't help this man to walk!).

 

I wish we could help further, but perhaps some who have first-hand

experience of something they have taken and which could help could

write to you privately since, as we say, this group is 'the place for

medical advice' - health and nutritional advice, vegan product advice,

yes! All suggestions posted so far have been most appreciated. Thanks!

 

Best, Pat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Before this disappears off list, thanks muchly to those who have

emailed me with nutritional and exercise advice for my dodgy knee.

 

Thanks particularly to Wani who emailed me offlist to emphasise the

need to take magnesium rather than calcium for such problems.

 

I do take DEVA's mix of vegan glycosamine and MSM but I needed to up

the dose.

 

Jolly post-festivities knees-ups to all

 

 

Geoff

http://geoffnelder.com

 

, " drpatsant "

<drpatsant wrote:

>

> What you are missing here is that further help for Geoff would

entail discussion of medical solutions to his health problem, not

nutritional solutions or the information he originally requested on

whether there was vegan chondroitin or a substitute for it. It's a

pity, because one would hope to be able to help. If anyone can do so,

I'd be most grateful, as Geoff is a valued member here.

>

> If you need further clarification, please write to me at

> vegetarianslimming-owner - okay? Happy to explain,

but no more list time on explanations on my part.

>

> Many thanks!

>

> Best to all, Pat

>

> ---

> The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Penne Beckett <msmoneypenne

>

> Friday, December 26, 2008 11:30:15 AM

> Re: Re: need knee pain cure

>

> I made your statement bold below as I don't get it, his question

does relate to his health. What am I missing here?

>

> Ask me how I fight cancer.

> .«*ÕÕ*Ø-:Ô:-Ø*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*Ø-

:Ô:-Ø*ÕÕ*«.

> Member Society of Decorative Painters

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> drpatsant <drpatsant

>

> Friday, December 26, 2008 10:23:52 AM

> Re: need knee pain cure

>

>

> Can we please take this off-list now?

>

> Geoff, I do hope you find a cure - it's really too bad that there's

> not a vegan chondroitin (hey, they can put a man to walk on the

moon,

> but they can't help this man to walk!).

>

> I wish we could help further, but perhaps some who have first-hand

> experience of something they have taken and which could help could

> write to you privately since, as we say, this group is 'the place

for

> medical advice' - health and nutritional advice, vegan product

advice,

> yes! All suggestions posted so far have been most appreciated.

Thanks!

>

> Best, Pat

 

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>Jolly post-festivities knees-ups to all

 

LOL And to you, Geoff! Hope that knee gets better soon. Can't have you missing

out on a knees-up! What's for New Year?

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

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The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde)

 

 

 

 

 

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