Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 well..happy birthday anyways lesley fraggle " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Hi Lesley > I think that the Vegan Society should be working on beating Ronald > McDonald at his own game, by presenting veganism as fun and > attractive to children and families. I think you are right there - otherwise the kids might want to go to McDs! I'm sorry your birthday was not as happy as it could have been - but I send my best wishes for happy days anyway. Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release 03/10/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Replied on . Janey - " Lesley Dove " <Lesley Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:58 PM Bad experience after the AGM > > Sometimes I wonder why I continue to bother with the Vegan Society, > or the vegan movement generally, I must be some sort of crazy > masochist, because although the VS appear very supportive of vegan > families on paper, we have found that in real life personal contact, > some of the members who attend the AGM are actually quite mean- > spirited and family-unfriendly, and even those who are not so bad are > pretty indifferent and don't speak out when a family is treated > badly. I was really upset on Saturday just after the AGM by one woman > there > > As an ordinary vegan family, it is not hard at all for us to see why > most vegans with young children fail to get involved in the Vegan > Society, as not only was it necessary for my husband to offer to pay > for the creche for the AGM (we haven't had a bill yet but will pay > when we know exactly how much), to keep it happening, so as to ensure > equal opportunities for parents (especially single parents with no > money to spare), but the social after the AGM was completely dead for > us, as everyone was in either the cookery demonstration or the > council meeting, and there was nothing for us and we just hung about > for a while looking and feeling like a bunch of lost souls, waiting > for the cookery demo to end and the general social to begin. The one > other couple with a child who had attended had left early. > > The worst bit that upset me and almost had me in tears, was that at > one point we just looked in at the back door of the cookery > demonstration, to see if there was anyone in particular we knew there > who we wanted to see, and maybe say goodbye to as we had decided by > nearly 6 o'clock that it was not worth our while staying, and the > woman running the cookery demonstration snapped at us for the kids > being noisy, and we were only looking in briefly to check if she had > finished, we also thought she had finished the formal bit where a > quiet audience was required because she had just asked if we wanted > to come in for food tasting. I thought she was very rude indeed to > tell us off straight after asking us in. She was giving mixed > messages. It was not our intention to disturb and we had > intentionally stayed out of the room for ages already while she was > addressing the group. I honestly thought she was inviting us in > because she had finished talking and it was time for the informal > general chit-chat and socialising. Her rudeness totally put me off > sticking around and I think someone ought to have had words with this > woman for making a young family feel so hurt and left out! But no-one > to my knowledge said anything to her in support of us and our right > to be welcomed. The general social aspect afterwards should have been > a family-friendly occasion as it was only late afternoon/early > evening, and if the Vegan Society want to attract " ordinary people " > to veganism and encourage their involvement in the Society they need > to have something for people like us, an ordinary family who happen > to be vegans and raising our kids that way. We felt completely > alienated and unwelcome, it was awful, it was my birthday and what a > miserable one. Some people need to try putting themselves in other > people's shoes for a change. If we as a vegan family get treated in > such an unfriendly rude way by our fellow vegans, what hope is there > of the vegan movement converting non-vegan families, with such > attitudes? We have to be a family-friendly movement to start with or > most ordinary people won't listen to us! > Most people have children at some point in their lives so it makes > sense that the VS should not alienate families! > > I just want vegan parents and the children they are raising in the > vegan way of life to be heard and welcomed within the Society, and at > the social after the AGM, now that is not a lot to ask is it? > > I think that the Vegan Society should be working on beating Ronald > McDonald at his own game, by presenting veganism as fun and > attractive to children and families. The fast food animal eating > industry markets to mainstream ordinary families so very > successfully, and only by vegans doing the same will veganism become > seen as a mainstream normal way of life. And this is what we want is > it not, to convert those raising the next generation, because it will > be very effective in saving animals? > > I'm so fearful that my kids will grow up bored and alienated with the > whole vegan scene, when we go to the AGM, look forward to mingling > afterwards and end up sticking out like a sore thumb because no-one > seems to want a young family around. I worry not just for myself but > about what will stick in my kids' minds about vegans and veganism, I > want to build up positive vegan-related memories for them, and the > Vegan Society is not making this an easy task. I did expect a few > more families we knew from the picnics and gatherings to attend and > was disappointed that none of them did. It needs the input of more > families before the Vegan Society will make the effort to become more > family-friendly, they won't care if we are the only ones there! > > I'm getting my faith in the Vegan Society seriously tested right now, > as the CEO, in response to my complaint about that horrid snappy > cookery demo woman, suggested that I should volunteer to organise an > event following next year's AGM that will meet the criteria of being > both family-friendly and all-inclusive. > > I don't mind giving it a try but I know I can't do it all on my own, > is anyone in this group willing to help me? > Actually on principle I think the VS should do it anyway but > obviously from what the CEO has said it probably will not happen > unless myself and other vegan families do it. As mostly non-parents, > most of the council lack the motivation to make it a priority. > But I know I'm not the only VS local contact person who is a parent, > so we really should be able to come up with something for next years > AGM social. > > Lesley > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 Thanks, I had not told all that many people it was my birthday, maybe if I had they would have made more effort to be welcoming - then again maybe not! The Vegan Society really needs some marketing experts on board who can guide them in promoting veganism to families, I think. Lesley , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Hi Lesley > > > I think that the Vegan Society should be working on beating Ronald > > McDonald at his own game, by presenting veganism as fun and > > attractive to children and families. > > I think you are right there - otherwise the kids might want to go to McDs! > > I'm sorry your birthday was not as happy as it could have been - but I send > my best wishes for happy days anyway. > > Jo > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release 03/10/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 I see Sharon Osbourne blames a lifetime of eating fast food for her bowel cancer. Jo macs must have the best marketing experts alive,for would people just choose to eat not very nutritious food. Maybe the vegan society could open up a similiar restaurant to macs,with better food. Simon ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release 03/10/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 - Lesley Dove Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:50 AM Re: Bad experience after the AGM <The Vegan Society really needs some marketing experts on board who can guide them in promoting veganism to families, I think.>Lesley. macs must have the best marketing experts alive,for would people just choose to eat not very nutritious food. Maybe the vegan society could open up a similiar restaurant to macs,with better food. Simon Maybe The vegan society could open up a vegan restaurant similiar to macs..with better food etc,, "Heartwork" <Heartwork@b...> wrote:> Hi Lesley> > > I think that the Vegan Society should be working on beating Ronald> > McDonald at his own game, by presenting veganism as fun and> > attractive to children and families.> > I think you are right there - otherwise the kids might want to go to McDs!> > I'm sorry your birthday was not as happy as it could have been - but I send> my best wishes for happy days anyway.> > Jo> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release 03/10/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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