Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I belong to a culture and group where NO ONE is even vegetarian, much less vegan. The one thing that I would have trouble not eating if I became vegan is cheese. Everyone agrees that a lot of cheese is not good for you but I probably won't stop eating it until it actually bothers me in some way because I'm not one to sacrifice. I stopped eating meat because it affects me negatively and I feel much better since I stopped and, besides, I'm very fond of animals. I used to raise sheep and I felt a little like a cannibal!! Peggy --- On Fri, 2/13/09, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Re: Vegetarian tips and a Broc soup Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:26 AM > http://www.wholefoo dsmarket. com/nutrition/ vegetarian- diet.php<http://www.wholefoo dsmarket. com/nutrition/ vegetarian- diet.php> Good link, but it is rather typical of its source, I'm afraid. There are other ways to eat vegetarian than following commercially driven guidelines. As for the warnings for those following a vegan diet, well, that is also typical of many vegetarian (as well as omnivore) attitudes, which is why dairy and eggs continue to be enjoyed in excess to the detriment of so many people's health. I worry about that a lot, as I guess you can tell! LOL So I'll not go into the rest of what was on the page, sparing you my long lecture on that subject and others Just a word: it's not as complicated to eat vegetarian or vegan as one might think. A wide variety (think colour) of vegetables and fruits, plus grains and/or legumes will see you doing very well. But hey, keep reading! The more you learn, the more confident you'll feel, right? Some people on this group or its sister group Vegetarianspice have eaten vegetarian or vegan all their lives and rarely stop to think of things like essential fatty acids or protein or whatever. It's no biggie. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I know you're right about the cheese, especially since I do watch my salt intake because I have high BP. I like soy milk and almond milk, but I haven't found any soy cheese that I like. Peggy --- On Fri, 2/13/09, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Re: Vegetarian tips and a Broc soup Friday, February 13, 2009, 10:38 AM > . . . besides, I'm very fond of animals. I used to raise sheep and I felt a little like a cannibal!! Well good for you for realizing that It IS like being a cannibal - perhaps exactly the same thing, if you consider that non-human animals are also our fellow creatures *shrug* That's how I think anyway, and I could no more have a slice out of a sheep or a cow or chicken or fish than I could have a slice out of my human neighbour. Thinking like that can put one off me*t of all kinds, which is not a bad idea, eh? About the cheese. Well, like vegetarianism, veganism is a personal choice. It's the cruelty aspect of it that convinced me. But I think many vegetarians feel they cannot let go of cheese - and there is a kind of 'addiction' for want of a better word. I found late last summer that I was getted 'addicted' to the taste of Sheese (a vegan cheez product from Scotland). So I indulged myself for a while (have to watch salt, of course, so I didn't overdo it LOL). That way I hurt no one, and didn't do any harm to my bod. Anyway, hon, baby steps - right? You do what you have to do. But if you want to lose weight, I'd suggest you lose the dairy fast. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Hi Pat, I am vegan, I don¹t worry about getting enough of this, that or whatever. I eat a wide variety of foods as you say, but other than that I don¹t worry about anything. I¹ve always found that rather funny ‹ 6 years ago when I was 296 pounds and eating fast foods all day every day and stuffing my face with junk, no one ever concerned themselves with whether I was getting enough of the important nutrients ‹ I mean, French fries are vegetables, right? I never once had someone ask me whether I was getting enough calcium or B vitamins or essential fatty acids or any of the other things that people worry about. Now that I eat healthy every day, and never even touch junk food, everyone is concerned with whether I¹m getting enough protein, calcium, B12, fatty acids, etc. Why is that? The healthier you get the more concerned people get about whether you¹re healthy? Anna On 14/2/09 1:26 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote: > Some people on this group or its sister group Vegetarianspice have > eaten vegetarian or vegan all their lives and rarely stop to think of > things like essential fatty acids or protein or whatever. It's no biggie. > > Best, Pat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yes, you're right. I find it ironic as well. Pam On 2/13/09, Coop <rodstruelove wrote: > Hi Pat, > > I am vegan, I don¹t worry about getting enough of this, that or whatever. I > eat a wide variety of foods as you say, but other than that I don¹t worry > about anything. > > I¹ve always found that rather funny ‹ 6 years ago when I was 296 pounds and > eating fast foods all day every day and stuffing my face with junk, no one > ever concerned themselves with whether I was getting enough of the important > nutrients ‹ I mean, French fries are vegetables, right? I never once had > someone ask me whether I was getting enough calcium or B vitamins or > essential fatty acids or any of the other things that people worry about. > > Now that I eat healthy every day, and never even touch junk food, everyone > is concerned with whether I¹m getting enough protein, calcium, B12, fatty > acids, etc. Why is that? The healthier you get the more concerned people > get about whether you¹re healthy? > > Anna > > > > On 14/2/09 1:26 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote: > >> Some people on this group or its sister group Vegetarianspice have >> eaten vegetarian or vegan all their lives and rarely stop to think of >> things like essential fatty acids or protein or whatever. It's no biggie. >> >> Best, Pat >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I know, same thing here - no one worries about your eating habits when you eat junk but everyone engages with you over them when you eat well However, I figure they aren't really THAT foolish and what they want is to be reassured that they could never ever ever eat as we do. You know? Love, Pat --- http://beanvegan.blogspot.com http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice " The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde) ________________________________ Coop <rodstruelove " " Friday, February 13, 2009 10:12:16 PM Re: Re: Vegetarian tips and a Broc soup Hi Pat, I am vegan, I don¹t worry about getting enough of this, that or whatever. I eat a wide variety of foods as you say, but other than that I don¹t worry about anything. I¹ve always found that rather funny ‹ 6 years ago when I was 296 pounds and eating fast foods all day every day and stuffing my face with junk, no one ever concerned themselves with whether I was getting enough of the important nutrients ‹ I mean, French fries are vegetables, right? I never once had someone ask me whether I was getting enough calcium or B vitamins or essential fatty acids or any of the other things that people worry about. Now that I eat healthy every day, and never even touch junk food, everyone is concerned with whether I¹m getting enough protein, calcium, B12, fatty acids, etc. Why is that? The healthier you get the more concerned people get about whether you¹re healthy? Anna On 14/2/09 1:26 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote: > Some people on this group or its sister group Vegetarianspice have > eaten vegetarian or vegan all their lives and rarely stop to think of > things like essential fatty acids or protein or whatever. It's no biggie. > > Best, Pat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I don't worry about eating well balanced meals each time, or each day for that matter. It's all about balance over time, for me anyway. I recently had this discussion in my environmental science class when we were talking about the food chain and thermodynamics. One guy was spouting all sorts of assumptions about vegetarians including the thought that we have to spend so much of our time worrying about mixing/matching foods to get everything we need when he just throws a burger on and knows he gets everything he needs. Yea, I know. :-) Being the only vegetarian in class, I set him straight. He realized he was stereotyping something he didn't know much about and apologized. :-) Cindi --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Coop <rodstruelove wrote: Coop <rodstruelove Re: Re: Vegetarian tips and a Broc soup " " Friday, February 13, 2009, 7:12 PM Hi Pat, I am vegan, I don¹t worry about getting enough of this, that or whatever. I eat a wide variety of foods as you say, but other than that I don¹t worry about anything. I¹ve always found that rather funny ‹ 6 years ago when I was 296 pounds and eating fast foods all day every day and stuffing my face with junk, no one ever concerned themselves with whether I was getting enough of the important nutrients ‹ I mean, French fries are vegetables, right? I never once had someone ask me whether I was getting enough calcium or B vitamins or essential fatty acids or any of the other things that people worry about. Now that I eat healthy every day, and never even touch junk food, everyone is concerned with whether I¹m getting enough protein, calcium, B12, fatty acids, etc. Why is that? The healthier you get the more concerned people get about whether you¹re healthy? Anna On 14/2/09 1:26 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant > wrote: > Some people on this group or its sister group Vegetarianspice have > eaten vegetarian or vegan all their lives and rarely stop to think of > things like essential fatty acids or protein or whatever. It's no biggie. > > Best, Pat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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