Thank whatever you hold holy for www.Caloriecount.about.com!

February 10, 2009

I would speculate selenium, maybe some other trace minerals. B12, of

course. But of course you can get any of those in a multi . . .

Pam

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder wrote:

> I don't want to diss your veggie doc but it is a nonsense. Admittedly

> your allergies make getting a balanced nutrition more difficult but

> certainly not impossiblle. It can't be for the amino acids (protein)

> nor the essential fats and vitamins. What is it in meat and fish your

> doc thinks you can't get from a non-animal source?

>

> Geoff

>

> , The Dragon

>

> <dragonsteeluk wrote:

>>

>> Hi Peggy

>>

>> Because I cannot eat nuts (fatally allergic) and this does tend to

> cut out a load of seeds as well (go down the same packing line) my

> doctor (who is Veggie and advocates a strongly veggie diet) wants me

> to eat m**t or f**h once a fortnight to keep me healthy (rest of the

> time I eat tofu, mushrooms, pulses)

>>

>> The Dragon (aka High Priestess Enchanting Even weave)

>> Current stitching - RSPCA Perfect Pets, Map of Durham, Cat

> Ornaments, Green Man

>> http://tempewytch.blogspot.com/ - stitching/house

>> http://tempewytchdiet.blogspot.com/ - diet/angst

>>

>> --- On Tue, 10/2/09, Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344 wrote:

>> Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344

>> Re: Thank whatever you hold holy for

> www.Caloriecount.about.com!

>>

>> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 9:37 PM

>>

>> What and why does the doc require you to eat nonvegetarian?Â Peggy

>>

February 11, 2009

Yeah, Geoff, I have a lacto-veggie doc who thinks that because of my age (I'm 69

this November) I should be drinking lots of milk. Well duh. I asked why and she

said . . . . well, you can recreate THAT conversation with your hands tied

behind your back/s! LOL Anyway, when I pointed out a few things it became

obvious that she was simply saying what (almost) all docs say, what they were

taught in med school (or picked up along the way). So I do what I know I must

do, and she is thrilled because she thinks I'm following her advice (I haven't

said so, but doesn't everyone? LOL) and that therefore her advice is the reason

my health is so great. I admit, she doesn't say I should eat Me*t or F*sh - she

knows better. That's a nonsense.

So much harm being done in the world through ignorance!!!!!

Thanks for writing in - you too pdw!

Love, Pat

---

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

" The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

________________________________

Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:08:43 PM

Re: Thank whatever you hold holy for

www.Caloriecount.about.com!

I don't want to diss your veggie doc but it is a nonsense. Admittedly

your allergies make getting a balanced nutrition more difficult but

certainly not impossiblle. It can't be for the amino acids (protein)

nor the essential fats and vitamins. What is it in meat and fish your

doc thinks you can't get from a non-animal source?

Geoff

, The Dragon

<dragonsteeluk wrote:

>

> Hi Peggy

>

> Because I cannot eat nuts (fatally allergic) and this does tend to

cut out a load of seeds as well (go down the same packing line) my

doctor (who is Veggie and advocates a strongly veggie diet) wants me

to eat m**t or f**h once a fortnight to keep me healthy (rest of the

time I eat tofu, mushrooms, pulses)

>

> The Dragon (aka High Priestess Enchanting Even weave)

> Current stitching - RSPCA Perfect Pets, Map of Durham, Cat

Ornaments, Green Man

> http://tempewytch.blogspot.com/ - stitching/house

> http://tempewytchdiet.blogspot.com/ - diet/angst

>

> --- On Tue, 10/2/09, Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344 wrote:

> Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344

> Re: Thank whatever you hold holy for

www.Caloriecount.about.com!

>

> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 9:37 PM

>

> What and why does the doc require you to eat nonvegetarian?Â Peggy

>

February 11, 2009

I do get people telling me they¹d worry about calcium if they didn¹t consume

dairy products. I find that so funny ‹ I mean, where did we get it from

before we domesticated the cow and started taking it¹s milk? LOL Actually,

consuming dairy can actually leech calcium from your body, which is why the

countries with the highest dairy consumption also have the highest incidence

of osteoporosis.

Anna

On 11/2/09 11:09 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote

>

> Yeah, Geoff, I have a lacto-veggie doc who thinks that because of my age (I'm

> 69 this November) I should be drinking lots of milk. Well duh. I asked why and

> she said . . . . well, you can recreate THAT conversation with your hands tied

> behind your back/s! LOL Anyway, when I pointed out a few things it became

> obvious that she was simply saying what (almost) all docs say, what they were

> taught in med school (or picked up along the way). So I do what I know I must

> do, and she is thrilled because she thinks I'm following her advice (I haven't

> said so, but doesn't everyone? LOL) and that therefore her advice is the

> reason my health is so great. I admit, she doesn't say I should eat Me*t or

> F*sh - she knows better. That's a nonsense.

>

> So much harm being done in the world through ignorance!!!!!

>

> Thanks for writing in - you too pdw!

>

> Love, Pat

>

> ---

> http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

> http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

> " The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

>

> ________________________________

> Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder <geoffnelder%40> >

>

> <%40>

> Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:08:43 PM

> Re: Thank whatever you hold holy for

> www.Caloriecount.about.com!

>

> I don't want to diss your veggie doc but it is a nonsense. Admittedly

> your allergies make getting a balanced nutrition more difficult but

> certainly not impossiblle. It can't be for the amino acids (protein)

> nor the essential fats and vitamins. What is it in meat and fish your

> doc thinks you can't get from a non-animal source?

>

> Geoff

>

> <%40> , The Dragon

> <dragonsteeluk wrote:

>> >

>> > Hi Peggy

>> >

>> > Because I cannot eat nuts (fatally allergic) and this does tend to

> cut out a load of seeds as well (go down the same packing line) my

> doctor (who is Veggie and advocates a strongly veggie diet) wants me

> to eat m**t or f**h once a fortnight to keep me healthy (rest of the

> time I eat tofu, mushrooms, pulses)

>> >

>> > The Dragon (aka High Priestess Enchanting Even weave)

>> > Current stitching - RSPCA Perfect Pets, Map of Durham, Cat

> Ornaments, Green Man

>> > http://tempewytch.blogspot.com/ - stitching/house

>> > http://tempewytchdiet.blogspot.com/ - diet/angst

>> >

>> > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344 wrote:

>> > Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344

>> > Re: Thank whatever you hold holy for

> www.Caloriecount.about.com!

>> >

>> <%40>

>> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 9:37 PM

>> >

>> > What and why does the doc require you to eat nonvegetarian?Â Peggy

>> >

February 11, 2009

Agreed, Geoff. As for pointing fingers, I don't figure any of us are in a

position to do that

We have all made our mistakes, made our choices and, for many of us, are still

doing both.

Of course, the difficulty is when wrong information is passed along as a given

truth and

then we have to decide whether to correct misapprehensions or to just let people

go on doing

what they want to do *shrug* Either way, no one will love you for it!

Best, Pat

---

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

" The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

.. I agree that it is

easy for a healthy fit vegan to be condescending and point fingers

at 'almost' veggies but then when a problem occurs it can be a

puzzle what to do.

Geoff

February 11, 2009

True enough. For me, I turn to dark green leaves for lots of calcium. Of course,

one has to eat an awful lot of 'em!

Best, Pat

---

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

" The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

consuming dairy can actually leech calcium from your body, which is why the

countries with the highest dairy consumption also have the highest incidence

of osteoporosis.

February 11, 2009

I would question a doctor who told me I had to eat fish, meat or dairy! I

didn't quit because it hurt animals(well, that was part of it), but mainly I

quit because it is so unhealthy!!! Penne

Ask me how I fight cancer.

..•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney and Indy Monumental Half Marathons*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•.

Member Society of Decorative Painters

________________________________

Coop <rodstruelove

" "

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:26:47 AM

Re: Re: Thank whatever you hold holy for

www.Caloriecount.about.com!

I do get people telling me they¹d worry about calcium if they didn¹t consume

dairy products. I find that so funny ‹ I mean, where did we get it from

before we domesticated the cow and started taking it¹s milk? LOL Actually,

consuming dairy can actually leech calcium from your body, which is why the

countries with the highest dairy consumption also have the highest incidence

of osteoporosis.

Anna

On 11/2/09 11:09 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant > wrote