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The following is the transcript of a debate organised by the Telegraph

newspaper of Kolkata on animal experimentation a few months ago:

 

 

http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

 

Monday, March 20, 2006, THE TELEGRAPH KNOWHOW

New-age terrorism

 

SHIBANI CHATTOPADHYAY CONDEMNS ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS

 

Animal rights activists have spelt doom for medical research

Chris Patten , Oxford University's chancellor, stealthily tiptoed his

way past a recent march in support of animal research. He refused to

take to the podium and stay long. Why all this caution? The

university's press office says, " There is no mechanism for deciding

whether the university should do so (support animal research) " .

Unofficially, however, university officials admit that keeping a low

profile is the best option to beat fanatical animal rights activists.

 

This behaviour is predictable after what befell Prof. Colin Blakemore,

a neurobiologist at Oxford. Animal rights activists sent him letter

bombs packed with tiny HIV-infected needles because he chose to debunk

many of their claims.

 

This is plain terrorism. Animal rights activists, however, demur.

True, the two aren't comparable in terms of the scale of destruction

and loss of life, but both are united by a common purpose: to

terrorise people into changing their viewpoints. Animal rights

activists have spelt doom for biological research from ancient times.

The most blatant example of this is Susruta, who introduced the

concept of surgery in India. His followers, however, couldn't contend

with Buddhism, which as the historical avatar of modern day animal

rights activism made sure that further advancements in this field were

discouraged. And the result was that knowledge advancement made no

progress in India.

 

Animal research has played a vital role in most of the medical

achievements of the last century. From dialysis to organ

transplantation, from the development of protease inhibitors to

dopamine replacement — everything is based on knowledge attained

through animal research. Therefore, we will be grossly wrong if we

think that the mutually exclusive goals of animal rights and medical

research can be attained simultaneously.

 

The fear of animal activists about too many animals being killed

remains unfounded. There are laws in place to check the gross abuse of

animals and the laws are getting stricter.

 

In her article supporting a moratorium on animal research in the

British Medical Journal, Pandora Pound identified 277 systematic

reviews (review of all published papers to reach a balanced judgement)

of animal research. Out of this, they offered six reviews to criticise

animal research. However, Blakemore and Prof. Tony Peatfield, another

supporter of animal research, debunked most of these arguments as

misinterpretations. In a letter to the journal, they argued that five

of the reviews showed that full analysis of the animal results

predicted the ineffectiveness of the treatment being tested.

 

Seeing the bigotry and fanaticism of animal rights activists, how can

they profess love for animals and at the same time harbour ire for

their fellow humans?

 

SHIBANI CHATTOPADHYAY

 

 

 

27 March, 2006, THE TELEGRAPH KNOWHOW

 

Medically futile

 

SHUBHOBROTO GHOSH QUESTIONS SPECIOUS SCIENCE

 

Some of the experiments on animals are specious

 

Pro-animal-research activists may say what they wish to (New-age

Terrorism, March 20) but there is little to substantiate their claim

that research on animals helps human beings. The argument that we owe

most or all of our advances in medicine to animal research misses out

on a basic point — animal models and humans have different

physiologies. Therefore, the conclusions drawn from animal research

" when applied to human diseases are likely to harm a patient, " Moneim

Fadali, a fellow of the American College of Surgeons, asserts in his

book Animal Experimentation: A Harvest Of Shame.

 

The fallacy of using animals for medical research is illustrated by

the fact that hundreds of drugs that would have been safe in humans

are deemed hazardous since they fail animal tests. For example,

aspirin and penicillin have all caused illness in animal models, but

have been highly effective when used on humans. On the other hand,

almost 70 per cent of drugs known to cause birth defects in humans

have no effect on pregnant monkeys. Such discrepancies impede medical

research since retrials are costly and time consuming.

 

Can animal experiments be replaced? Jane Goodall, a leading

primatologist, says that it's inconceivable that the human race, which

has developed technology to go to the moon, cannot develop something

to replace animal research with more humane alternatives.

 

And we certainly have such alternatives in the form of advancement in

medical technology. These technologies include silicon chips

containing thousands of liver cells meant to mimic animal metabolism.

There is also vision research with scanners, which can replace brain

experiments on animals. Moreover, computer programmes, molecular

research, demographic analyses and test-tube culture are slowly but

surely making animal research less important. In his book, Vivisection

or Science, Dr Pietro Croce, a spokesperson for the group, Doctors and

Lawyers for Responsible Medicine, says that he had conducted

experiments on animals for years. Croce, however, now feels that

" traditional reliance on animal experiments is scientifically

misplaced " .

 

While it cannot be said that no good has ever come from animal

research, what can be said with certainty is that if the same amount

of money and brainpower had been used in other ways, much more benefit

would have accrued.

 

Moreover, some of these experiments on helpless animals, which wear

the garb of medical research, are misleadingly attractive. Last month,

300 neurologists and neurosurgeons signed a petition for a moratorium

on a cruel Ohio State University research. It asked students to

paralyse mice by dropping heavy weights on their spinal cords. Aysha

Akhtar, a member of Physicians Committed for Responsible Medicine,

rightfully says that the experiment is not only cruel, but also

" medically futile " .

 

 

SHUBHOBROTO GHOSH

 

 

 

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> Animal rights activists have spelt doom for medical research

 

Serves them right.

 

This is exactly what the profile of an animal rights activist are

should be: To spell DOOM for anything that terrorises the animal

kingdom.

" TERRORISM " : The use of this smart word is a passion for HUMAN

beings these days. It is perhaps the most widely used word in

today`s date. Let me also throw some light on it, since I am also a

HUMAN.

 

I wish someday soon Science and Technology develops itself to such

an extent that these human reporters can get to exclusively

interview the primates and asks these questions:

 

WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE REAL TERRORIST ?

THE MAN WHO OPPOSES YOUR TESTING FOR MEDICINES AND RESEARCH, OR THE

MAN WHO REPETEDLY CARRIES OUT TESTS ON EVERY NERVE, EVERY ORGAN,

EVERY LIMB OF YOUR BODY, AND THEN LEAVES YOU TO DIE MANY DEATHS TILL

FINALLY YOU SUCCUMB TO THE INJURIES ? ?

 

 

I would love to live till the day, Science and the reporters of

Science could get me the above answers ( as they say from the

horse`s mouth) !!

 

Azam Siddiqui

 

 

aapn , " "

wrote:

>

> The following is the transcript of a debate organised by the

Telegraph

> newspaper of Kolkata on animal experimentation a few months ago:

>

>

> http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

>

> Monday, March 20, 2006, THE TELEGRAPH KNOWHOW

> New-age terrorism

>

> SHIBANI CHATTOPADHYAY CONDEMNS ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS

>

> Animal rights activists have spelt doom for medical research

> Chris Patten , Oxford University's chancellor, stealthily tiptoed

his

> way past a recent march in support of animal research. He refused

to

> take to the podium and stay long. Why all this caution? The

> university's press office says, " There is no mechanism for deciding

> whether the university should do so (support animal research) " .

> Unofficially, however, university officials admit that keeping a

low

> profile is the best option to beat fanatical animal rights

activists.

>

> This behaviour is predictable after what befell Prof. Colin

Blakemore,

> a neurobiologist at Oxford. Animal rights activists sent him letter

> bombs packed with tiny HIV-infected needles because he chose to

debunk

> many of their claims.

>

> This is plain terrorism. Animal rights activists, however, demur.

> True, the two aren't comparable in terms of the scale of

destruction

> and loss of life, but both are united by a common purpose: to

> terrorise people into changing their viewpoints. Animal rights

> activists have spelt doom for biological research from ancient

times.

> The most blatant example of this is Susruta, who introduced the

> concept of surgery in India. His followers, however, couldn't

contend

> with Buddhism, which as the historical avatar of modern day animal

> rights activism made sure that further advancements in this field

were

> discouraged. And the result was that knowledge advancement made no

> progress in India.

>

> Animal research has played a vital role in most of the medical

> achievements of the last century. From dialysis to organ

> transplantation, from the development of protease inhibitors to

> dopamine replacement — everything is based on knowledge attained

> through animal research. Therefore, we will be grossly wrong if we

> think that the mutually exclusive goals of animal rights and

medical

> research can be attained simultaneously.

>

> The fear of animal activists about too many animals being killed

> remains unfounded. There are laws in place to check the gross

abuse of

> animals and the laws are getting stricter.

>

> In her article supporting a moratorium on animal research in the

> British Medical Journal, Pandora Pound identified 277 systematic

> reviews (review of all published papers to reach a balanced

judgement)

> of animal research. Out of this, they offered six reviews to

criticise

> animal research. However, Blakemore and Prof. Tony Peatfield,

another

> supporter of animal research, debunked most of these arguments as

> misinterpretations. In a letter to the journal, they argued that

five

> of the reviews showed that full analysis of the animal results

> predicted the ineffectiveness of the treatment being tested.

>

> Seeing the bigotry and fanaticism of animal rights activists, how

can

> they profess love for animals and at the same time harbour ire for

> their fellow humans?

>

> SHIBANI CHATTOPADHYAY

>

>

>

> 27 March, 2006, THE TELEGRAPH KNOWHOW

>

> Medically futile

>

> SHUBHOBROTO GHOSH QUESTIONS SPECIOUS SCIENCE

>

> Some of the experiments on animals are specious

>

> Pro-animal-research activists may say what they wish to (New-age

> Terrorism, March 20) but there is little to substantiate their

claim

> that research on animals helps human beings. The argument that we

owe

> most or all of our advances in medicine to animal research misses

out

> on a basic point — animal models and humans have different

> physiologies. Therefore, the conclusions drawn from animal research

> " when applied to human diseases are likely to harm a patient, "

Moneim

> Fadali, a fellow of the American College of Surgeons, asserts in

his

> book Animal Experimentation: A Harvest Of Shame.

>

> The fallacy of using animals for medical research is illustrated by

> the fact that hundreds of drugs that would have been safe in humans

> are deemed hazardous since they fail animal tests. For example,

> aspirin and penicillin have all caused illness in animal models,

but

> have been highly effective when used on humans. On the other hand,

> almost 70 per cent of drugs known to cause birth defects in humans

> have no effect on pregnant monkeys. Such discrepancies impede

medical

> research since retrials are costly and time consuming.

>

> Can animal experiments be replaced? Jane Goodall, a leading

> primatologist, says that it's inconceivable that the human race,

which

> has developed technology to go to the moon, cannot develop

something

> to replace animal research with more humane alternatives.

>

> And we certainly have such alternatives in the form of advancement

in

> medical technology. These technologies include silicon chips

> containing thousands of liver cells meant to mimic animal

metabolism.

> There is also vision research with scanners, which can replace

brain

> experiments on animals. Moreover, computer programmes, molecular

> research, demographic analyses and test-tube culture are slowly but

> surely making animal research less important. In his book,

Vivisection

> or Science, Dr Pietro Croce, a spokesperson for the group, Doctors

and

> Lawyers for Responsible Medicine, says that he had conducted

> experiments on animals for years. Croce, however, now feels that

> " traditional reliance on animal experiments is scientifically

> misplaced " .

>

> While it cannot be said that no good has ever come from animal

> research, what can be said with certainty is that if the same

amount

> of money and brainpower had been used in other ways, much more

benefit

> would have accrued.

>

> Moreover, some of these experiments on helpless animals, which wear

> the garb of medical research, are misleadingly attractive. Last

month,

> 300 neurologists and neurosurgeons signed a petition for a

moratorium

> on a cruel Ohio State University research. It asked students to

> paralyse mice by dropping heavy weights on their spinal cords.

Aysha

> Akhtar, a member of Physicians Committed for Responsible Medicine,

> rightfully says that the experiment is not only cruel, but also

> " medically futile " .

>

>

> SHUBHOBROTO GHOSH

>

>

>

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Dear Azam,

I think you have raised an important issue. Please check

the following link for some more information:

http://www.buav.org/resources/political/tackling_extremism_together_transcript.p\

df

It is a transcript of a discussion entitled 'Tackling Extremism Together',

Fringe event at Labour Party conference, held on 26th September, 2006, and

features Alistair Currie, Campaigns Director, British Union for the

Abolition of Vivisection, Dr Dilder Choudhury, Muslim Council of Britain,

and David Modell, documentary film maker. The meeting was chaired by Shahid

Malik, MP. I am sorry that not all the speakers are animal related people

but I got it from the BUAV website so I think it should be OK!

 

Please also check out another link:

http://iacmusic.com/station.aspx?StationID=2883

PRESS RELEASE

 

You think you know the truth and then something dramatic changes your view

in a moment. In this case it'll take around an hour! You think you have

heard the questions and know all the answers but you are about to be

challenged to do some serious thinking. Your instinct is that the truth is

better left unsaid because it's always been that way but you suddenly find

yourself keen to know more. Far from being a rude awakening this will be

enlightening.

 

These are some of the reactions from people who have seen the new film

Behind The Mask which is due to be screened publicly in London for the first

time on September 18.

 

The heart thumping 72-minute documentary mixes unseen footage and music with

interviews with the men and women who risk everything to save animals. It is

a fascinating story that challenges the stereotype and raises some serious

questions about our treatment of other animals and the popular view of those

who risk everything to rescue them.

 

If you think these people are the " evil monsters " talked about in the media,

if you think they are freedom fighters or if you haven't formed a view

either way or simply want to be entertained then this will be a memorable

night out for you.

 

Presented in person by Shannon Keith, US lawyer and Mask maker and Keith

Mann, well known ALF activist who has served prison time for breaking

animals out of laboratories, there will be a chance to ask questions and

challenge their view that the end justifies the means when seeking to save

the lives of others and raise serious issues.

As I mentioned these issues need more discussion.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

On 11/30/06, azam24x7 <azamsiddiqui wrote:

>

> > Animal rights activists have spelt doom for medical research

>

> Serves them right.

>

> This is exactly what the profile of an animal rights activist are

> should be: To spell DOOM for anything that terrorises the animal

> kingdom.

> " TERRORISM " : The use of this smart word is a passion for HUMAN

> beings these days. It is perhaps the most widely used word in

> today`s date. Let me also throw some light on it, since I am also a

> HUMAN.

>

> I wish someday soon Science and Technology develops itself to such

> an extent that these human reporters can get to exclusively

> interview the primates and asks these questions:

>

> WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE REAL TERRORIST ?

> THE MAN WHO OPPOSES YOUR TESTING FOR MEDICINES AND RESEARCH, OR THE

> MAN WHO REPETEDLY CARRIES OUT TESTS ON EVERY NERVE, EVERY ORGAN,

> EVERY LIMB OF YOUR BODY, AND THEN LEAVES YOU TO DIE MANY DEATHS TILL

> FINALLY YOU SUCCUMB TO THE INJURIES ? ?

>

> I would love to live till the day, Science and the reporters of

> Science could get me the above answers ( as they say from the

> horse`s mouth) !!

>

> Azam Siddiqui

>

> aapn <aapn%40>, " "

> wrote:

> >

> > The following is the transcript of a debate organised by the

> Telegraph

> > newspaper of Kolkata on animal experimentation a few months ago:

> >

> >

> > http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

> >

> > Monday, March 20, 2006, THE TELEGRAPH KNOWHOW

> > New-age terrorism

> >

> > SHIBANI CHATTOPADHYAY CONDEMNS ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS

> >

> > Animal rights activists have spelt doom for medical research

> > Chris Patten , Oxford University's chancellor, stealthily tiptoed

> his

> > way past a recent march in support of animal research. He refused

> to

> > take to the podium and stay long. Why all this caution? The

> > university's press office says, " There is no mechanism for deciding

> > whether the university should do so (support animal research) " .

> > Unofficially, however, university officials admit that keeping a

> low

> > profile is the best option to beat fanatical animal rights

> activists.

> >

> > This behaviour is predictable after what befell Prof. Colin

> Blakemore,

> > a neurobiologist at Oxford. Animal rights activists sent him letter

> > bombs packed with tiny HIV-infected needles because he chose to

> debunk

> > many of their claims.

> >

> > This is plain terrorism. Animal rights activists, however, demur.

> > True, the two aren't comparable in terms of the scale of

> destruction

> > and loss of life, but both are united by a common purpose: to

> > terrorise people into changing their viewpoints. Animal rights

> > activists have spelt doom for biological research from ancient

> times.

> > The most blatant example of this is Susruta, who introduced the

> > concept of surgery in India. His followers, however, couldn't

> contend

> > with Buddhism, which as the historical avatar of modern day animal

> > rights activism made sure that further advancements in this field

> were

> > discouraged. And the result was that knowledge advancement made no

> > progress in India.

> >

> > Animal research has played a vital role in most of the medical

> > achievements of the last century. From dialysis to organ

> > transplantation, from the development of protease inhibitors to

> > dopamine replacement — everything is based on knowledge attained

> > through animal research. Therefore, we will be grossly wrong if we

> > think that the mutually exclusive goals of animal rights and

> medical

> > research can be attained simultaneously.

> >

> > The fear of animal activists about too many animals being killed

> > remains unfounded. There are laws in place to check the gross

> abuse of

> > animals and the laws are getting stricter.

> >

> > In her article supporting a moratorium on animal research in the

> > British Medical Journal, Pandora Pound identified 277 systematic

> > reviews (review of all published papers to reach a balanced

> judgement)

> > of animal research. Out of this, they offered six reviews to

> criticise

> > animal research. However, Blakemore and Prof. Tony Peatfield,

> another

> > supporter of animal research, debunked most of these arguments as

> > misinterpretations. In a letter to the journal, they argued that

> five

> > of the reviews showed that full analysis of the animal results

> > predicted the ineffectiveness of the treatment being tested.

> >

> > Seeing the bigotry and fanaticism of animal rights activists, how

> can

> > they profess love for animals and at the same time harbour ire for

> > their fellow humans?

> >

> > SHIBANI CHATTOPADHYAY

> >

> >

> >

> > 27 March, 2006, THE TELEGRAPH KNOWHOW

> >

> > Medically futile

> >

> > SHUBHOBROTO GHOSH QUESTIONS SPECIOUS SCIENCE

> >

> > Some of the experiments on animals are specious

> >

> > Pro-animal-research activists may say what they wish to (New-age

> > Terrorism, March 20) but there is little to substantiate their

> claim

> > that research on animals helps human beings. The argument that we

> owe

> > most or all of our advances in medicine to animal research misses

> out

> > on a basic point — animal models and humans have different

> > physiologies. Therefore, the conclusions drawn from animal research

> > " when applied to human diseases are likely to harm a patient, "

> Moneim

> > Fadali, a fellow of the American College of Surgeons, asserts in

> his

> > book Animal Experimentation: A Harvest Of Shame.

> >

> > The fallacy of using animals for medical research is illustrated by

> > the fact that hundreds of drugs that would have been safe in humans

> > are deemed hazardous since they fail animal tests. For example,

> > aspirin and penicillin have all caused illness in animal models,

> but

> > have been highly effective when used on humans. On the other hand,

> > almost 70 per cent of drugs known to cause birth defects in humans

> > have no effect on pregnant monkeys. Such discrepancies impede

> medical

> > research since retrials are costly and time consuming.

> >

> > Can animal experiments be replaced? Jane Goodall, a leading

> > primatologist, says that it's inconceivable that the human race,

> which

> > has developed technology to go to the moon, cannot develop

> something

> > to replace animal research with more humane alternatives.

> >

> > And we certainly have such alternatives in the form of advancement

> in

> > medical technology. These technologies include silicon chips

> > containing thousands of liver cells meant to mimic animal

> metabolism.

> > There is also vision research with scanners, which can replace

> brain

> > experiments on animals. Moreover, computer programmes, molecular

> > research, demographic analyses and test-tube culture are slowly but

> > surely making animal research less important. In his book,

> Vivisection

> > or Science, Dr Pietro Croce, a spokesperson for the group, Doctors

> and

> > Lawyers for Responsible Medicine, says that he had conducted

> > experiments on animals for years. Croce, however, now feels that

> > " traditional reliance on animal experiments is scientifically

> > misplaced " .

> >

> > While it cannot be said that no good has ever come from animal

> > research, what can be said with certainty is that if the same

> amount

> > of money and brainpower had been used in other ways, much more

> benefit

> > would have accrued.

> >

> > Moreover, some of these experiments on helpless animals, which wear

> > the garb of medical research, are misleadingly attractive. Last

> month,

> > 300 neurologists and neurosurgeons signed a petition for a

> moratorium

> > on a cruel Ohio State University research. It asked students to

> > paralyse mice by dropping heavy weights on their spinal cords.

> Aysha

> > Akhtar, a member of Physicians Committed for Responsible Medicine,

> > rightfully says that the experiment is not only cruel, but also

> > " medically futile " .

> >

> >

> > SHUBHOBROTO GHOSH

> >

> >

> >

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