Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Pat, you are totally correct in all areas of this email! I was proud to become vegetarian (lacto-ovo) a year ago, as I had some minimal health concerns. I knew I would be healthier, which I totally am. I ate lots of raw carrots and broccoli with dips (hummus and spinach dip with tofutti sour cream). Fruits and veggies can be your analogues with some meal planning and great recipes. Soups really get me through the days that I just am not full! (Can I recommend the Black Bean soup at Panera Bread? Delish! Get it in a regular bowl, and you get a little piece of bread on the side, instead of the entire bread bowl) Keeping carbs to your average servings was difficult for me recently. When I first became veg, I rarely ate rice and had past once a week. There are some really great pasta recipes, though, and being Italian, I fell victim! LOL My weight isn't really an issue anymore, thanks to keeping those cholesterol-filled animals out of my diet. Using exercise is a good way to supplement the great eating habits we are adopting (though time is always an issue for me) That is how I justify those good fats from Flax oil, Olive oil, and raw nuts. Snacking can also help, if the snacks are whole foods. They will satisfy you, but not fill you to the max! Training your head and stomach to get into sync has been the most difficult part for me. Changing my eating habits to fit what I know has been my journey. Best of luck to all. Cassie --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Skinny Vegetarians? Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this week or two!!! Long story . . . ) I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be skinny and not have a weight problem. " Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, but let's just run through a few: 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have been filled with something from one of the burger places. Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the bakery products. 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at the end of a meal. 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to think that what we crave is what we need.) 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. There are all kinds of other traps of course. So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps listed above So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal sugar - to put it at its baldest. Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some feedback on this post!!! Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to watch what she eats all the time!) --- The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 You are quite right, these people are not vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and lost so much weight it was great. Here is how I did it: breakfast: 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb cooked veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It went really well for quite a while and then I started adding in bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit smoking, on went the pounds. Now I need to start all over again and try to loose. Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. You are so right about all of the traps. Hope everyone has a great day. Barb --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Skinny Vegetarians? Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this week or two!!! Long story . . . ) I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be skinny and not have a weight problem. " Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, but let's just run through a few: 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have been filled with something from one of the burger places. Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the bakery products. 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at the end of a meal. 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to think that what we crave is what we need.) 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. There are all kinds of other traps of course. So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps listed above So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal sugar - to put it at its baldest. Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some feedback on this post!!! Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to watch what she eats all the time!) --- The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Barb, My breakfast is 2-3 fruits as well. I really think it is a good start. Your story sounds similar to mine (minus the smoking, but glad you quit). I think I was really gung-ho about getting healthy and becoming veg, but then I got comfortable. It happens to the best of us. The difficult part is realizing what happened and starting fresh. I have been trying to start fresh for about 3 months. It can be done, especially since I do the shopping. Plus, with hubby gone so much, the junk is pretty much limited to a weekend-thing. We are here for you. Cassie --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Barb <tigger_twins wrote: Barb <tigger_twins Re: Skinny Vegetarians? Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:09 AM You are quite right, these people are not vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and lost so much weight it was great. Here is how I did it: breakfast: 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb cooked veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It went really well for quite a while and then I started adding in bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit smoking, on went the pounds. Now I need to start all over again and try to loose. Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. You are so right about all of the traps. Hope everyone has a great day. Barb --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant <drpatsant > wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant > Skinny Vegetarians? Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this week or two!!! Long story . . . ) I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be skinny and not have a weight problem. " Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, but let's just run through a few: 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have been filled with something from one of the burger places. Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the bakery products. 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at the end of a meal. 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to think that what we crave is what we need.) 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. There are all kinds of other traps of course. So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps listed above So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal sugar - to put it at its baldest. Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some feedback on this post!!! Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to watch what she eats all the time!) --- The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 For some unknown reason, fruit makes me hungry! Penne Ask me how I fight cancer. ..•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney Half Marathon*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•. Member Society of Decorative Painters --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet > Re: Skinny Vegetarians? > > Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:38 PM > Barb, > My breakfast is 2-3 fruits as well. I really think it is > a good start. > Your story sounds similar to mine (minus the smoking, but > glad you quit). I think I was really gung-ho about getting > healthy and becoming veg, but then I got comfortable. It > happens to the best of us. > The difficult part is realizing what happened and starting > fresh. I have been trying to start fresh for about 3 > months. It can be done, especially since I do the > shopping. Plus, with hubby gone so much, the junk is > pretty much limited to a weekend-thing. > We are here for you. > Cassie > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Barb <tigger_twins > wrote: > Barb <tigger_twins > Re: Skinny Vegetarians? > > Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:09 AM > > > > > You are quite right, these people are not > vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and lost so much > weight it was great. Here is how I did it: breakfast: > 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb cooked > veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It went > really well for quite a while and then I started adding in > bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit smoking, on > went the pounds. Now I need to start all over again and > try to loose. > >  > > Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. You are > so right about all of the traps. > >  > > Hope everyone has a great day. > > > >  Barb > > > > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant > <drpatsant > wrote: > > > > drpatsant <drpatsant > > > Skinny Vegetarians? > > > > Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM > > > > Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new > members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this > week or two!!! Long story . . . ) > > > > I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: > " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be > skinny and not > > have a weight problem. " > > > > Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that > were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a > problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not > exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had > put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all > manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others > interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) > > > > So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, > but let's just run through a few: > > > > 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all > animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in > cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing > eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. > > > > 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as > a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have > been filled with something from one of the burger places. > Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it > is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the > bakery products. > > > > 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the > so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it > matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch > dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) > > > > 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big > salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at > the end of a meal. > > > > 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. > > > > 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that > when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food > 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my > body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we > do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to > think that what we crave is what we need.) > > > > 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux > creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were > still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the > 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we > think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies > and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. > > > > There are all kinds of other traps of course. > > > > So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning > vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they > might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots > of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps > listed above > > > > So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole > grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal > sugar - to put it at its baldest. > > > > Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some > feedback on this post!!! > > > > Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to > watch what she eats all the time!) > > > > --- > > The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar > Wilde) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 You are probably sensitive to fructose. When I started to eat more fruit, I was hungry all the time, had loose stools, and was getting faint and dizzy from fructose-induced hypoglycemia. Try to stay away from/limit the highest-fructose fruits: pears, apples, watermelon, and grapes. Avoid fruit juices and dried fruits other than prunes. Stick mainly to stone fruits, berries, bananas, other melons, etc. Eat fruit along with nuts/seeds and/or greens when you can. My breakfast is a fresh (lower-fructose) fruit salad over greens, topped with (usually) walnuts and flax-seeds. Holds me until noon, where the traditional cereal, oatmeal, toast, etc. would not. I still occasionally eat the higher-fructose fruits, but in small amounts and together with something else. Pam On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Penne Beckett <msmoneypenne wrote: > For some unknown reason, fruit makes me hungry! Penne > > Ask me how I fight cancer. > .•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney Half Marathon*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•. > Member Society of Decorative Painters > > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > >> Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet > >> Re: Skinny Vegetarians? >> >> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:38 PM >> Barb, >> My breakfast is 2-3 fruits as well. I really think it is >> a good start. >> Your story sounds similar to mine (minus the smoking, but >> glad you quit). I think I was really gung-ho about getting >> healthy and becoming veg, but then I got comfortable. It >> happens to the best of us. >> The difficult part is realizing what happened and starting >> fresh. I have been trying to start fresh for about 3 >> months. It can be done, especially since I do the >> shopping. Plus, with hubby gone so much, the junk is >> pretty much limited to a weekend-thing. >> We are here for you. >> Cassie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Barb <tigger_twins >> wrote: >> Barb <tigger_twins >> Re: Skinny Vegetarians? >> >> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:09 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are quite right, these people are not >> vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and lost so much >> weight it was great. Here is how I did it: breakfast: >> 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb cooked >> veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It went >> really well for quite a while and then I started adding in >> bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit smoking, on >> went the pounds. Now I need to start all over again and >> try to loose. >> >> >> >> Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. You are >> so right about all of the traps. >> >> >> >> Hope everyone has a great day. >> >> >> >> Barb >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant >> <drpatsant > wrote: >> >> >> >> drpatsant <drpatsant > >> >> Skinny Vegetarians? >> >> >> >> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM >> >> >> >> Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new >> members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this >> week or two!!! Long story . . . ) >> >> >> >> I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: >> " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be >> skinny and not >> >> have a weight problem. " >> >> >> >> Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that >> were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a >> problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not >> exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had >> put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all >> manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others >> interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) >> >> >> >> So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, >> but let's just run through a few: >> >> >> >> 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all >> animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in >> cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing >> eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. >> >> >> >> 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as >> a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have >> been filled with something from one of the burger places. >> Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it >> is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the >> bakery products. >> >> >> >> 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the >> so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it >> matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch >> dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) >> >> >> >> 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big >> salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at >> the end of a meal. >> >> >> >> 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. >> >> >> >> 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that >> when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food >> 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my >> body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we >> do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to >> think that what we crave is what we need.) >> >> >> >> 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux >> creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were >> still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the >> 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we >> think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies >> and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. >> >> >> >> There are all kinds of other traps of course. >> >> >> >> So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning >> vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they >> might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots >> of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps >> listed above >> >> >> >> So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole >> grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal >> sugar - to put it at its baldest. >> >> >> >> Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some >> feedback on this post!!! >> >> >> >> Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to >> watch what she eats all the time!) >> >> >> >> --- >> >> The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar >> Wilde) >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Oh, citrus fruits are good too. Pam On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote: > You are probably sensitive to fructose. When I started to eat more > fruit, I was hungry all the time, had loose stools, and was getting > faint and dizzy from fructose-induced hypoglycemia. Try to stay away > from/limit the highest-fructose fruits: pears, apples, watermelon, and > grapes. Avoid fruit juices and dried fruits other than prunes. Stick > mainly to stone fruits, berries, bananas, other melons, etc. Eat > fruit along with nuts/seeds and/or greens when you can. My breakfast > is a fresh (lower-fructose) fruit salad over greens, topped with > (usually) walnuts and flax-seeds. Holds me until noon, where the > traditional cereal, oatmeal, toast, etc. would not. I still > occasionally eat the higher-fructose fruits, but in small amounts and > together with something else. > > Pam > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Penne Beckett <msmoneypenne wrote: >> For some unknown reason, fruit makes me hungry! Penne >> >> Ask me how I fight cancer. >> .•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney Half Marathon*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•. >> Member Society of Decorative Painters >> >> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet wrote: >> >>> Cassie Dixon <roxy87cabriolet >> >>> Re: Skinny Vegetarians? >>> >>> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:38 PM >>> Barb, >>> My breakfast is 2-3 fruits as well. I really think it is >>> a good start. >>> Your story sounds similar to mine (minus the smoking, but >>> glad you quit). I think I was really gung-ho about getting >>> healthy and becoming veg, but then I got comfortable. It >>> happens to the best of us. >>> The difficult part is realizing what happened and starting >>> fresh. I have been trying to start fresh for about 3 >>> months. It can be done, especially since I do the >>> shopping. Plus, with hubby gone so much, the junk is >>> pretty much limited to a weekend-thing. >>> We are here for you. >>> Cassie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Barb <tigger_twins >>> wrote: >>> Barb <tigger_twins >>> Re: Skinny Vegetarians? >>> >>> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:09 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> You are quite right, these people are not >>> vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and lost so much >>> weight it was great. Here is how I did it: breakfast: >>> 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb cooked >>> veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It went >>> really well for quite a while and then I started adding in >>> bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit smoking, on >>> went the pounds. Now I need to start all over again and >>> try to loose. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. You are >>> so right about all of the traps. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope everyone has a great day. >>> >>> >>> >>> Barb >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant >>> <drpatsant > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> drpatsant <drpatsant > >>> >>> Skinny Vegetarians? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new >>> members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this >>> week or two!!! Long story . . . ) >>> >>> >>> >>> I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: >>> " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be >>> skinny and not >>> >>> have a weight problem. " >>> >>> >>> >>> Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that >>> were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a >>> problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not >>> exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had >>> put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all >>> manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others >>> interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) >>> >>> >>> >>> So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, >>> but let's just run through a few: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all >>> animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in >>> cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing >>> eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as >>> a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have >>> been filled with something from one of the burger places. >>> Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it >>> is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the >>> bakery products. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the >>> so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it >>> matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch >>> dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big >>> salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at >>> the end of a meal. >>> >>> >>> >>> 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. >>> >>> >>> >>> 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that >>> when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food >>> 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my >>> body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we >>> do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to >>> think that what we crave is what we need.) >>> >>> >>> >>> 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux >>> creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were >>> still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the >>> 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we >>> think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies >>> and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are all kinds of other traps of course. >>> >>> >>> >>> So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning >>> vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they >>> might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots >>> of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps >>> listed above >>> >>> >>> >>> So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole >>> grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal >>> sugar - to put it at its baldest. >>> >>> >>> >>> Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some >>> feedback on this post!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to >>> watch what she eats all the time!) >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar >>> Wilde) >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 hi barb i have read with interest the whole set of mails exchanged. one thing be clear. just like vegetarianism is not substitution of graver things in place of flesh of animals. It is also not dieting. The wish to live dies unless the palate and the stomach will get the feeling of eating. so 1. never eat frozen items. They dont carry the taste. It takes a few minutes to cut a vegetable or a leaf. 2. add viniger or some simple tomato ketchup or peppers, black pepper or cinnamon or other things not having fats but add taste . you may try fresh butter, cottage cheese or even the peanut butter. It does not hurt to have another 100 or so calories when you have cut down from the massive non veg. food. 3. Eat plenty and stomachful. While eating dont count calories with evey bite and feel guilty. 4. Eat good carbs in the form of rice or wheat and proteins in the form of cereals. 5. Eat sprouted seeds with a lemon and honey dash. 6. Dring plenty of water 7. Exercise for atleast 45 minutes a day 8. Do not worry to have a glass of wine with dinner 9. Do feasting one of the weekend days with some sweets and some extra carbs. 10. Eat leaves with each salad. 11. my suggestion is that not all of us are made to look like a model. 12. If we are normal human beings not cut to become a model, why kill yourself. I am not sure I am able to impress you the need to eat for slimming truly m.s.sastry  ________________________________ Barb <tigger_twins Thursday, 13 November, 2008 9:39:27 PM Re: Skinny Vegetarians? You are quite right, these people are not vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and lost so much weight it was great. Here is how I did it: breakfast: 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb cooked veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It went really well for quite a while and then I started adding in bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit smoking, on went the pounds. Now I need to start all over again and try to loose.  Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. You are so right about all of the traps.  Hope everyone has a great day.  Barb --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant <drpatsant > wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant > Skinny Vegetarians? Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this week or two!!! Long story . . . ) I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be skinny and not have a weight problem. " Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, but let's just run through a few: 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have been filled with something from one of the burger places. Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the bakery products. 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at the end of a meal. 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to think that what we crave is what we need.) 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. There are all kinds of other traps of course. So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps listed above So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal sugar - to put it at its baldest. Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some feedback on this post!!! Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to watch what she eats all the time!) --- The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Thank you! Makes sense to me! Penne Ask me how I fight cancer. ..•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney Half Marathon*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•. Member Society of Decorative Painters --- On Thu, 11/13/08, pdw <pdworkman wrote: > pdw <pdworkman > Re: Skinny Vegetarians? > > Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:49 PM > You are probably sensitive to fructose. When I started to > eat more > fruit, I was hungry all the time, had loose stools, and was > getting > faint and dizzy from fructose-induced hypoglycemia. Try to > stay away > from/limit the highest-fructose fruits: pears, apples, > watermelon, and > grapes. Avoid fruit juices and dried fruits other than > prunes. Stick > mainly to stone fruits, berries, bananas, other melons, > etc. Eat > fruit along with nuts/seeds and/or greens when you can. My > breakfast > is a fresh (lower-fructose) fruit salad over greens, topped > with > (usually) walnuts and flax-seeds. Holds me until noon, > where the > traditional cereal, oatmeal, toast, etc. would not. I > still > occasionally eat the higher-fructose fruits, but in small > amounts and > together with something else. > > Pam > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Penne Beckett > <msmoneypenne wrote: > > For some unknown reason, fruit makes me hungry! Penne > > > > Ask me how I fight cancer. > > .•*¨¨*·-:¦:-·*Did the Disney Half > Marathon*·-:¦:-·*¨¨*•. > > Member Society of Decorative Painters > > > > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Cassie Dixon > <roxy87cabriolet wrote: > > > >> Cassie Dixon > <roxy87cabriolet > > > >> Re: Skinny > Vegetarians? > >> > >> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:38 PM > >> Barb, > >> My breakfast is 2-3 fruits as well. I really > think it is > >> a good start. > >> Your story sounds similar to mine (minus the > smoking, but > >> glad you quit). I think I was really gung-ho > about getting > >> healthy and becoming veg, but then I got > comfortable. It > >> happens to the best of us. > >> The difficult part is realizing what happened and > starting > >> fresh. I have been trying to start fresh for > about 3 > >> months. It can be done, especially since I do the > >> shopping. Plus, with hubby gone so much, the junk > is > >> pretty much limited to a weekend-thing. > >> We are here for you. > >> Cassie > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Barb > <tigger_twins > >> wrote: > >> Barb <tigger_twins > >> Re: Skinny > Vegetarians? > >> > >> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:09 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> You are quite right, these people are not > >> vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and > lost so much > >> weight it was great. Here is how I did it: > breakfast: > >> 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb > cooked > >> veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It > went > >> really well for quite a while and then I started > adding in > >> bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit > smoking, on > >> went the pounds. Now I need to start all over > again and > >> try to loose. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. > You are > >> so right about all of the traps. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hope everyone has a great day. > >> > >> > >> > >> Barb > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant > >> <drpatsant > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> drpatsant <drpatsant (AT) (DOT) > com> > >> > >> Skinny Vegetarians? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to > other new > >> members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit > behind this > >> week or two!!! Long story . . . ) > >> > >> > >> > >> I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent > post: > >> " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I > should be > >> skinny and not > >> > >> have a weight problem. " > >> > >> > >> > >> Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! > If that > >> were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and > never have a > >> problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group > would not > >> exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ > who had > >> put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of > course, all > >> manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others > >> interested in our lifestyle join now and are most > welcome.) > >> > >> > >> > >> So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all > know this, > >> but let's just run through a few: > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing > all > >> animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The > calories in > >> cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways > of doing > >> eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the > waistline. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, > etc., as > >> a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would > otherwise have > >> been filled with something from one of the burger > places. > >> Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that > goes on it > >> is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest > of the > >> bakery products. > >> > >> > >> > >> 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, > even the > >> so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a > Tbsp. it > >> matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't > touch > >> dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) > >> > >> > >> > >> 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially > big > >> salads - so that there's no feeling of > satisfaction at > >> the end of a meal. > >> > >> > >> > >> 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very > satisfying. > >> > >> > >> > >> 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) > so that > >> when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich > food > >> 'because my body is crying out for it and I > listen to my > >> body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. > (Yeah, we > >> do have cravings, but it's an old wives' > tale to > >> think that what we crave is what we need.) > >> > >> > >> > >> 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux > cheezes, faux > >> creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as > if we were > >> still omnivores, simply substituting these > analogues for the > >> 'real thing'. They can be higher in > calories than we > >> think, and really add up if we add to them the > rich gravies > >> and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. > >> > >> > >> > >> There are all kinds of other traps of course. > >> > >> > >> > >> So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking > that turning > >> vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose > weight, they > >> might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots > and lots > >> of pounds, but then they aren't falling into > the traps > >> listed above > >> > >> > >> > >> So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel > whole > >> grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce > and minimal > >> sugar - to put it at its baldest. > >> > >> > >> > >> Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to > have some > >> feedback on this post!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL > has to > >> watch what she eats all the time!) > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> The world is a stage, but the play is badly > cast.(Oscar > >> Wilde) > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 thank you for the post. One of the things I love about being vegetarian is all of the great foods that I can eat without harming any type of animal. I am not using just for slimming (but that is part of it), I feel that it is a wonderful way to eat. I plant a large garden each year and freeze a ton of veggies for during the winter when I don't have fresh. One of the things I use to substitute meat in a lot of dishes that I make is mushrooms. These are something that I have always enjoyed, now I just eat more of them. I know that I have to loose weight and eating a vegetarian lifestyle without all of the sauces, gravies and things that I used to have are helping in that way. I am also more concious of what I eat now (I read ingredients on packages) and try to make most things from scratch. Barb --- On Fri, 11/14/08, sankar sastry <shankarsastry wrote: sankar sastry <shankarsastry Re: Skinny Vegetarians? Friday, November 14, 2008, 2:45 AM hi barb i have read with interest the whole set of mails exchanged. one thing be clear. just like vegetarianism is not substitution of graver things in place of flesh of animals. It is also not dieting. The wish to live dies unless the palate and the stomach will get the feeling of eating. so 1. never eat frozen items. They dont carry the taste. It takes a few minutes to cut a vegetable or a leaf. 2. add viniger or some simple tomato ketchup or peppers, black pepper or cinnamon or other things not having fats but add taste . you may try fresh butter, cottage cheese or even the peanut butter. It does not hurt to have another 100 or so calories when you have cut down from the massive non veg. food. 3. Eat plenty and stomachful. While eating dont count calories with evey bite and feel guilty. 4. Eat good carbs in the form of rice or wheat and proteins in the form of cereals. 5. Eat sprouted seeds with a lemon and honey dash. 6. Dring plenty of water 7. Exercise for atleast 45 minutes a day 8. Do not worry to have a glass of wine with dinner 9. Do feasting one of the weekend days with some sweets and some extra carbs. 10. Eat leaves with each salad. 11. my suggestion is that not all of us are made to look like a model. 12. If we are normal human beings not cut to become a model, why kill yourself. I am not sure I am able to impress you the need to eat for slimming truly m.s.sastry ____________ _________ _________ __ Barb <tigger_twins@ > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 9:39:27 PM Re: Skinny Vegetarians? You are quite right, these people are not vegetarians. When I first went vegetarian and lost so much weight it was great. Here is how I did it: breakfast: 3 fruit, during the day 1 lb raw veggies and 1 lb cooked veggies. To drink it was green tea or water. It went really well for quite a while and then I started adding in bread, pasta and the junk food. Plus I quit smoking, on went the pounds. Now I need to start all over again and try to loose. Thank you for the tips of what I am falling into. You are so right about all of the traps. Hope everyone has a great day. Barb --- On Thu, 11/13/08, drpatsant <drpatsant > wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant > Skinny Vegetarians? Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:17 AM Hi Barb - and welcome to the group as well as to other new members (Forgive me, guys - I'm a bit behind this week or two!!! Long story . . . ) I just wanted to comment on Barb's recent post: " People tell me that since I am vegetarian I should be skinny and not have a weight problem. " Are those people vegetarian, Barb??? I doubt it! If that were true, that vegetarians were all skinny and never have a problem with gaining unwanted pounds, this group would not exist! (It was originally set up for _vegetarians_ who had put on weight that they needed to lose! LOL Of course, all manner of vegetarians, semi-vegetarians and others interested in our lifestyle join now and are most welcome.) So what makes vegetarians gain weight? OK we all know this, but let's just run through a few: 1. Eating as if you were an omnivore but replacing all animal flesh with cheese, other dairy, eggs. The calories in cheese really really add up quickly, and some ways of doing eggs (Eggs Benedict anyone?) are murder on the waistline. 2. Eating more bread, muffins, cake, pie, cookies, etc., as a quick way of satisfying a hunger that would otherwise have been filled with something from one of the burger places. Bread isn't all bad, but all the stuff that goes on it is loaded with sweets and fats - likewise the rest of the bakery products. 3. Cooking those veggies with a lot of oil (yes, even the so-called 'good' oil) - at 120 calories a Tbsp. it matches all other fats. (Even vegans who don't touch dairy or eggs can fall into problems here.) 4. Not eating enough fresh vegetables - especially big salads - so that there's no feeling of satisfaction at the end of a meal. 5. Not eating enough fresh fruit - very satisfying. 6. Not eating a balanced diet (see 4 and 5 above) so that when feeling depleted we eat more and more rich food 'because my body is crying out for it and I listen to my body' to satisfy what we think of as hunger. (Yeah, we do have cravings, but it's an old wives' tale to think that what we crave is what we need.) 7. Relying too heavily on faux me*ts, faux cheezes, faux creme, etc., and continuing to eat, in effect, as if we were still omnivores, simply substituting these analogues for the 'real thing'. They can be higher in calories than we think, and really add up if we add to them the rich gravies and sauces that we used on our me*ts before. There are all kinds of other traps of course. So if anyone came here as an omnivore thinking that turning vegetarian will miraculously help them to lose weight, they might be disappointed. Certainly some do lose lots and lots of pounds, but then they aren't falling into the traps listed above So this group is a low-fat group and we counsel whole grains, beans and lentils, lots of fresh produce and minimal sugar - to put it at its baldest. Good luck to everyone - and I'd just love to have some feedback on this post!!! Love and hugs, Pat (who eats only vegan and STILL has to watch what she eats all the time!) --- The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.(Oscar Wilde) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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