How Much is Enough Protein? / was Beans and Rice = Protein?

[Guest guest]

Does that mean I have no excuse for eating peanut butter by the spoonful?  Peggy

 

--- On Mon, 2/23/09, Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder wrote:

 

 

Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder

Re: How Much is Enough Protein? / was Beans and

Rice = Protein?

 

Monday, February 23, 2009, 2:07 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm addicted to baked beans on toast. No sugar no salt beans (sugar

and salt is added with HP brown sauce - hah) and on wholemeal or

granary bread. So amino acids are nicely combined - especially if I

add a smear of Tahini and sprinkle mixed seeds.

 

My wife often said I was obsessed by my supposed need for protein

and she's right. No more excuses for grabbing a handful of nuts

everytime I pass the kitchen.

 

Geoff

 

, Coop <rodstruelove@ ...>

wrote:

>

> An excellent article on the subject of protein can be found here by

Dr

> McDougall:

> http://www.drmcdoug all.com/misc/ 2007nl/apr/ dairy.htm

>

> In a nutshell, he says in all the patients he¹s treated, he has

NEVER ever

> seen a case of protein deficiency ‹ yet everyone worries about

getting

> enough. It¹s very interesting reading.

>

> Anna

>

> -------

> 296 / 233 / 130

> http://eatbreathemo ve.blogspot. com/

>

> On 23/2/09 2:07 AM, " drpatsant@. .. " <drpatsant@. ..> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi Kathleen,

> >

> > (Forgive me if I answer you at some length and repeat some things

which you

> > already know here, please. I am writing not just for you but for

other members

> > who may be interested in this discussion, including those who

have just become

> > vegetarian or vegan or who are still 'thinking about it' and

worrying about

> > how they are going to 'get enough protein'.)

> >

> > You are right that Frances Lappe's _Diet For A Small Planet_

discusses the

> > combining of legumes with grains at great length. Lappe thought

that you

> > needed to have both in the same meal, later she came to realize

(and actually

> > 'recanted' as it were) that any time in the day was fine as long

as you had

> > both. Now it is realized that it is not even that rigid a

requirement. Now I'm

> > a bit old-fashioned, so I like to make sure I have both at some

time in a

> > 48-hr period - it's hard to get rid of those 'first'

understandings for me

> > (and I read Lappe back when I was much younger and just starting

on the

> > vegetarian path). Besides, I like to eat both, so it pleases me

to do so.

> >

> > That said, many very healthy modern vegans do not worry about

such 'combining'

> > of proteins and do just fine. The fact that warnings about eating

too much

> > protein is directed mainly at omnivores and ovo-lacto vegetarians

cannot be

> > disputed - after all, how many of the so-called First World's

people are

> > strictly vegan in diet?! However, even vegans are reminded these

days by

> > various reliable and much honoured experts in the field that we

should not

> > overload on protein. It is considered that, like fat/oil (and I'm

speaking

> > about plant-based fats and oils now), protein should be no more

than 10 per

> > cent of our daily calories. Working that out takes a little bit of

> > oldfashioned arithmetic, but think of it this way: the omnivores

among us (I'm

> > speaking of North America now) eat on average between 10 and 20

per cent of

> > their calories in protein. (Eating 10 per cent according to WHO,

the

> > (American) NRC and others, is certainly sufficient - and that has

a good

> > margin of safety built in.) Others (eg. Dr. T. Colin Campbellof

_The China

> > Study_ shows that 5 per cent protein, just from plants alone, is

more than

> > plenty for excellent health. It would be desperately difficult to

eat plants

> > day in and day out without getting at least 5 per cent of one's

calories in

> > protein. Most of us probably equal or exceed 10 per cent, and

working at

> > putting 'more protein' into the diet would be a health error.

It's not protein

> > deficiency we need to worry about but excess protein, you see

> >

> > Okay, I'm off to watch something on cruelty to animals on the TV.

Take care,

> > everyone!

> >

> > Love, Pat

> >

> > ---

> > http://www.vegandon elight.com/ spice

> > http://beanvegan. blogspot. com

> > http://river- rambles.blogspot .com

> > " The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The calories don't count if you spoon it directly from the jar . . . right?

 

Pam

 

 

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344 wrote:

> Does that mean I have no excuse for eating peanut butter by the spoonful?

Peggy

>

> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder wrote:

>

>

> Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder

> Re: How Much is Enough Protein? / was Beans and

Rice = Protein?

>

> Monday, February 23, 2009, 2:07 PM

I'm addicted to baked beans on toast. No sugar no salt beans (sugar

> and salt is added with HP brown sauce - hah) and on wholemeal or

> granary bread. So amino acids are nicely combined - especially if I

> add a smear of Tahini and sprinkle mixed seeds.

>

> My wife often said I was obsessed by my supposed need for protein

> and she's right. No more excuses for grabbing a handful of nuts

> everytime I pass the kitchen.

>

> Geoff

>

> , Coop <rodstruelove@ ...>

> wrote:

>>

>> An excellent article on the subject of protein can be found here by

> Dr

>> McDougall:

>> http://www.drmcdoug all.com/misc/ 2007nl/apr/ dairy.htm

>>

>> In a nutshell, he says in all the patients he¹s treated, he has

> NEVER ever

>> seen a case of protein deficiency ‹ yet everyone worries about

> getting

>> enough. It¹s very interesting reading.

>>

>> Anna

>>

>> -------

>> 296 / 233 / 130

>> http://eatbreathemo ve.blogspot. com/

>>

>> On 23/2/09 2:07 AM, " drpatsant@. .. " <drpatsant@. ..> wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi Kathleen,

>> >

>> > (Forgive me if I answer you at some length and repeat some things

> which you

>> > already know here, please. I am writing not just for you but for

> other members

>> > who may be interested in this discussion, including those who

> have just become

>> > vegetarian or vegan or who are still 'thinking about it' and

> worrying about

>> > how they are going to 'get enough protein'.)

>> >

>> > You are right that Frances Lappe's _Diet For A Small Planet_

> discusses the

>> > combining of legumes with grains at great length. Lappe thought

> that you

>> > needed to have both in the same meal, later she came to realize

> (and actually

>> > 'recanted' as it were) that any time in the day was fine as long

> as you had

>> > both. Now it is realized that it is not even that rigid a

> requirement. Now I'm

>> > a bit old-fashioned, so I like to make sure I have both at some

> time in a

>> > 48-hr period - it's hard to get rid of those 'first'

> understandings for me

>> > (and I read Lappe back when I was much younger and just starting

> on the

>> > vegetarian path). Besides, I like to eat both, so it pleases me

> to do so.

>> >

>> > That said, many very healthy modern vegans do not worry about

> such 'combining'

>> > of proteins and do just fine. The fact that warnings about eating

> too much

>> > protein is directed mainly at omnivores and ovo-lacto vegetarians

> cannot be

>> > disputed - after all, how many of the so-called First World's

> people are

>> > strictly vegan in diet?! However, even vegans are reminded these

> days by

>> > various reliable and much honoured experts in the field that we

> should not

>> > overload on protein. It is considered that, like fat/oil (and I'm

> speaking

>> > about plant-based fats and oils now), protein should be no more

> than 10 per

>> > cent of our daily calories. Working that out takes a little bit of

>> > oldfashioned arithmetic, but think of it this way: the omnivores

> among us (I'm

>> > speaking of North America now) eat on average between 10 and 20

> per cent of

>> > their calories in protein. (Eating 10 per cent according to WHO,

> the

>> > (American) NRC and others, is certainly sufficient - and that has

> a good

>> > margin of safety built in.) Others (eg. Dr. T. Colin Campbellof

> _The China

>> > Study_ shows that 5 per cent protein, just from plants alone, is

> more than

>> > plenty for excellent health. It would be desperately difficult to

> eat plants

>> > day in and day out without getting at least 5 per cent of one's

> calories in

>> > protein. Most of us probably equal or exceed 10 per cent, and

> working at

>> > putting 'more protein' into the diet would be a health error.

> It's not protein

>> > deficiency we need to worry about but excess protein, you see

>> >

>> > Okay, I'm off to watch something on cruelty to animals on the TV.

> Take care,

>> > everyone!

>> >

>> > Love, Pat

>> >

>> > ---

>> > http://www.vegandon elight.com/ spice

>> > http://beanvegan. blogspot. com

>> > http://river- rambles.blogspot .com

>> > " The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

As long as you stand while you're eating it!! LOL  Peggy

 

--- On Mon, 2/23/09, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

 

 

pdw <pdworkman

Re: Re: How Much is Enough Protein? / was Beans

and Rice = Protein?

 

Monday, February 23, 2009, 5:57 PM

 

 

The calories don't count if you spoon it directly from the jar . . .  right?

 

Pam

 

 

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Peggy Lewis <lwspeggy344 wrote:

> Does that mean I have no excuse for eating peanut butter by the spoonful? 

Peggy

>

> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder wrote:

>

>

> Geoff Nelder <geoffnelder

> Re: How Much is Enough Protein? / was Beans and

Rice = Protein?

>

> Monday, February 23, 2009, 2:07 PM

I'm addicted to baked beans on toast. No sugar no salt beans (sugar

> and salt is added with HP brown sauce - hah) and on wholemeal or

> granary bread. So amino acids are nicely combined - especially if I

> add a smear of Tahini and sprinkle mixed seeds.

>

> My wife often said I was obsessed by my supposed need for protein

> and she's right. No more excuses for grabbing a handful of nuts

> everytime I pass the kitchen.

>

> Geoff

>

> , Coop <rodstruelove@ ...>

> wrote:

>>

>> An excellent article on the subject of protein can be found here by

> Dr

>> McDougall:

>> http://www.drmcdoug all.com/misc/ 2007nl/apr/ dairy.htm

>>

>> In a nutshell, he says in all the patients he¹s treated, he has

> NEVER ever

>> seen a case of protein deficiency ‹ yet everyone worries about

> getting

>> enough. It¹s very interesting reading.

>>

>> Anna

>>

>> -------

>> 296 / 233 / 130

>> http://eatbreathemo ve.blogspot. com/

>>

>> On 23/2/09 2:07 AM, " drpatsant@. .. " <drpatsant@. ..> wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi Kathleen,

>> >

>> > (Forgive me if I answer you at some length and repeat some things

> which you

>> > already know here, please. I am writing not just for you but for

> other members

>> > who may be interested in this discussion, including those who

> have just become

>> > vegetarian or vegan or who are still 'thinking about it' and

> worrying about

>> > how they are going to 'get enough protein'.)

>> >

>> > You are right that Frances Lappe's _Diet For A Small Planet_

> discusses the

>> > combining of legumes with grains at great length. Lappe thought

> that you

>> > needed to have both in the same meal, later she came to realize

> (and actually

>> > 'recanted' as it were) that any time in the day was fine as long

> as you had

>> > both. Now it is realized that it is not even that rigid a

> requirement. Now I'm

>> > a bit old-fashioned, so I like to make sure I have both at some

> time in a

>> > 48-hr period - it's hard to get rid of those 'first'

> understandings for me

>> > (and I read Lappe back when I was much younger and just starting

> on the

>> > vegetarian path). Besides, I like to eat both, so it pleases me

> to do so.

>> >

>> > That said, many very healthy modern vegans do not worry about

> such 'combining'

>> > of proteins and do just fine. The fact that warnings about eating

> too much

>> > protein is directed mainly at omnivores and ovo-lacto vegetarians

> cannot be

>> > disputed - after all, how many of the so-called First World's

> people are

>> > strictly vegan in diet?! However, even vegans are reminded these

> days by

>> > various reliable and much honoured experts in the field that we

> should not

>> > overload on protein. It is considered that, like fat/oil (and I'm

> speaking

>> > about plant-based fats and oils now), protein should be no more

> than 10 per

>> > cent of our daily calories. Working that out takes a little bit of

>> > oldfashioned arithmetic, but think of it this way: the omnivores

> among us (I'm

>> > speaking of North America now) eat on average between 10 and 20

> per cent of

>> > their calories in protein. (Eating 10 per cent according to WHO,

> the

>> > (American) NRC and others, is certainly sufficient - and that has

> a good

>> > margin of safety built in.) Others (eg. Dr. T. Colin Campbellof

> _The China

>> > Study_ shows that 5 per cent protein, just from plants alone, is

> more than

>> > plenty for excellent health. It would be desperately difficult to

> eat plants

>> > day in and day out without getting at least 5 per cent of one's

> calories in

>> > protein. Most of us probably equal or exceed 10 per cent, and

> working at

>> > putting 'more protein' into the diet would be a health error.

> It's not protein

>> > deficiency we need to worry about but excess protein, you see

>> >

>> > Okay, I'm off to watch something on cruelty to animals on the TV.

> Take care,

>> > everyone!

>> >

>> > Love, Pat

>> >

>> > ---

>> > http://www.vegandon elight.com/ spice

>> > http://beanvegan. blogspot. com

>> > http://river- rambles.blogspot .com

>> > " The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>