How Much is Enough Protein? / was Beans and Rice = Protein?

[Guest guest]

An excellent article on the subject of protein can be found here by Dr

McDougall:

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm

 

In a nutshell, he says in all the patients he¹s treated, he has NEVER ever

seen a case of protein deficiency ‹ yet everyone worries about getting

enough. It¹s very interesting reading.

 

Anna

 

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http://eatbreathemove.blogspot.com/

 

On 23/2/09 2:07 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote:

>

>

> Hi Kathleen,

>

> (Forgive me if I answer you at some length and repeat some things which you

> already know here, please. I am writing not just for you but for other members

> who may be interested in this discussion, including those who have just become

> vegetarian or vegan or who are still 'thinking about it' and worrying about

> how they are going to 'get enough protein'.)

>

> You are right that Frances Lappe's _Diet For A Small Planet_ discusses the

> combining of legumes with grains at great length. Lappe thought that you

> needed to have both in the same meal, later she came to realize (and actually

> 'recanted' as it were) that any time in the day was fine as long as you had

> both. Now it is realized that it is not even that rigid a requirement. Now I'm

> a bit old-fashioned, so I like to make sure I have both at some time in a

> 48-hr period - it's hard to get rid of those 'first' understandings for me

> (and I read Lappe back when I was much younger and just starting on the

> vegetarian path). Besides, I like to eat both, so it pleases me to do so.

>

> That said, many very healthy modern vegans do not worry about such 'combining'

> of proteins and do just fine. The fact that warnings about eating too much

> protein is directed mainly at omnivores and ovo-lacto vegetarians cannot be

> disputed - after all, how many of the so-called First World's people are

> strictly vegan in diet?! However, even vegans are reminded these days by

> various reliable and much honoured experts in the field that we should not

> overload on protein. It is considered that, like fat/oil (and I'm speaking

> about plant-based fats and oils now), protein should be no more than 10 per

> cent of our daily calories. Working that out takes a little bit of

> oldfashioned arithmetic, but think of it this way: the omnivores among us (I'm

> speaking of North America now) eat on average between 10 and 20 per cent of

> their calories in protein. (Eating 10 per cent according to WHO, the

> (American) NRC and others, is certainly sufficient - and that has a good

> margin of safety built in.) Others (eg. Dr. T. Colin Campbellof _The China

> Study_ shows that 5 per cent protein, just from plants alone, is more than

> plenty for excellent health. It would be desperately difficult to eat plants

> day in and day out without getting at least 5 per cent of one's calories in

> protein. Most of us probably equal or exceed 10 per cent, and working at

> putting 'more protein' into the diet would be a health error. It's not protein

> deficiency we need to worry about but excess protein, you see

>

> Okay, I'm off to watch something on cruelty to animals on the TV. Take care,

> everyone!

>

> Love, Pat

>

> ---

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> http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

> http://river-rambles.blogspot.com

> " The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for that link, Anna - I have just placed it in the Health and

Nutrition folder in our Links section - I'm amazed that it wasn't there, but I

haven't updated some of these folders in a while.

 

Dr McDougall's article is excellent - see again at

 

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm

 

and I highly recommend it for everyone, not just those worrying about protein.

It gives you ammunition against all those people (and I was asked just the other

day by someone who should have known better) who ask 'But where do you get your

protein?' It is also empowering in other ways.

 

Btw, my apologies - the WHO according to Dr McDougall recommends 5 per cent of

calories in protein. It really IS enough, ya know!!

 

Thanks again - much appreciated.

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

---

http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

http://river-rambles.blogspot.com

" The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

 

 

 

 

________________________________

An excellent article on the subject of protein can be found here by Dr

McDougall:

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm

 

In a nutshell, he says in all the patients he¹s treated, he has NEVER ever

seen a case of protein deficiency ‹ yet everyone worries about getting

enough. It¹s very interesting reading.

 

Anna

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm addicted to baked beans on toast. No sugar no salt beans (sugar

and salt is added with HP brown sauce - hah) and on wholemeal or

granary bread. So amino acids are nicely combined - especially if I

add a smear of Tahini and sprinkle mixed seeds.

 

My wife often said I was obsessed by my supposed need for protein

and she's right. No more excuses for grabbing a handful of nuts

everytime I pass the kitchen.

 

Geoff

 

 

, Coop <rodstruelove

wrote:

>

> An excellent article on the subject of protein can be found here by

Dr

> McDougall:

> http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm

>

> In a nutshell, he says in all the patients he¹s treated, he has

NEVER ever

> seen a case of protein deficiency ‹ yet everyone worries about

getting

> enough. It¹s very interesting reading.

>

> Anna

>

> -------

> 296 / 233 / 130

> http://eatbreathemove.blogspot.com/

>

> On 23/2/09 2:07 AM, " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi Kathleen,

> >

> > (Forgive me if I answer you at some length and repeat some things

which you

> > already know here, please. I am writing not just for you but for

other members

> > who may be interested in this discussion, including those who

have just become

> > vegetarian or vegan or who are still 'thinking about it' and

worrying about

> > how they are going to 'get enough protein'.)

> >

> > You are right that Frances Lappe's _Diet For A Small Planet_

discusses the

> > combining of legumes with grains at great length. Lappe thought

that you

> > needed to have both in the same meal, later she came to realize

(and actually

> > 'recanted' as it were) that any time in the day was fine as long

as you had

> > both. Now it is realized that it is not even that rigid a

requirement. Now I'm

> > a bit old-fashioned, so I like to make sure I have both at some

time in a

> > 48-hr period - it's hard to get rid of those 'first'

understandings for me

> > (and I read Lappe back when I was much younger and just starting

on the

> > vegetarian path). Besides, I like to eat both, so it pleases me

to do so.

> >

> > That said, many very healthy modern vegans do not worry about

such 'combining'

> > of proteins and do just fine. The fact that warnings about eating

too much

> > protein is directed mainly at omnivores and ovo-lacto vegetarians

cannot be

> > disputed - after all, how many of the so-called First World's

people are

> > strictly vegan in diet?! However, even vegans are reminded these

days by

> > various reliable and much honoured experts in the field that we

should not

> > overload on protein. It is considered that, like fat/oil (and I'm

speaking

> > about plant-based fats and oils now), protein should be no more

than 10 per

> > cent of our daily calories. Working that out takes a little bit of

> > oldfashioned arithmetic, but think of it this way: the omnivores

among us (I'm

> > speaking of North America now) eat on average between 10 and 20

per cent of

> > their calories in protein. (Eating 10 per cent according to WHO,

the

> > (American) NRC and others, is certainly sufficient - and that has

a good

> > margin of safety built in.) Others (eg. Dr. T. Colin Campbellof

_The China

> > Study_ shows that 5 per cent protein, just from plants alone, is

more than

> > plenty for excellent health. It would be desperately difficult to

eat plants

> > day in and day out without getting at least 5 per cent of one's

calories in

> > protein. Most of us probably equal or exceed 10 per cent, and

working at

> > putting 'more protein' into the diet would be a health error.

It's not protein

> > deficiency we need to worry about but excess protein, you see

> >

> > Okay, I'm off to watch something on cruelty to animals on the TV.

Take care,

> > everyone!

> >

> > Love, Pat

> >

> > ---

> > http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

> > http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

> > http://river-rambles.blogspot.com

> > " The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

> >

>

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