Cats ~ live mice! *lol*

[Guest guest]

Consider yourself lucky, Christie. Mine leave

me half eaten mice on my front stoop, and back

before i sealed up the pet-door, they were often

dropping live snakes onto my bare feet while

i was cooking dinner! *lol*

No more open pet-door for them!

Now they must be inspected prior to entering the

house!

 

~ pt ~

 

From quiet homes and first beginning,

Out to the undiscovered ends,

There's nothing worth the wear of winning,

But laughter and the love of friends.

~ Hillaire Belloc

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~> , Christie <

christie0131@g...> wrote:

> Unfortunately mine haven't been too quick to catch on to the fact that mostly

> our diets are very different. They still insist on presenting me with a wee

> midnight snack by dropping live mice into the bed beside me. So (my) cats

> are possibly not the best animal companions for a vegetarian.

> Christie

[Guest guest]

Where do you guys live, that there are so many rodents

and reptiles?

 

All I get from my cats is things knocked off of

shelves, scattered litter, and an occasional furball.

 

 

 

City Dweller

 

 

 

 

--- ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll wrote:

 

Consider yourself lucky, Christie. Mine leave me half

eaten mice on my front stoop, and back before i sealed

up the pet-door, they were often dropping live snakes

onto my bare feet while i was cooking dinner! *lol*

No more open pet-door for them!

Now they must be inspected prior to entering the

house!

 

~ pt ~

 

 

 

 

Christie christie0131@g...> wrote:

 

Unfortunately mine haven't been too quick to catch on

to the fact that mostly our diets are very different.

They still insist on presenting me with a wee midnight

snack by dropping live mice into the bed beside me. So

(my) cats are possibly not the best animal companions

for a vegetarian.

Christie

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I live in the city in Scotland and we are really overrun with mice. I

never had any problem with them in the house though until I had cats

who bring them indoors and then lose interest. Rodents are one thing

but having snakes dropped on my feet would finish me off though LOL.

 

Reading Tom's posts last month about living out in the woodlands made

me really nostalgic for the year back in the 70s when I hitchhiked

coast to coast in Canada and the months spent camping out in the

Rockies with daily encounters with black bears, moose (or is it meese)

and other wildlife. Being that close to nature was a really magical

time in my life and it saddens me that the closest I come to wildlife

these days is when a mouse is dropped into my bed. Lest this be too

far OT, I should add that I always felt quite good when the bears ate

my food because at least it was fairly healthy for them – the

processed food they got from other sources had a terrible effect on

their digestive systems – one particular trail through the woodland

was commonly known as Skid Row, for obvious reasons.

 

Christie

[Guest guest]

ROTFLMAO @ " skid row " !!! Your post was so funny.

Hey, no need worry about being too off-topic here

so long as we are talking food and critters and being

vegetarians in this crazy wild world. Besides, if we

go off too much our resident Sheriff Shawn down in

Texas will rustle us back on track in good fashion.

 

Isn't it funny how cats do that? They have fun with

a critter being so mean and then yawn and get bored.

Cats! *lol* Good thing i like snakes... but my daughter

was NOT amused at all over that so she made me

nail a board over that pet door.

 

Your hiking adventures sound so wonderful. Do you

have any good tried and true backpacking veggie meal

recipes?

 

~ pt ~

 

P.S. Where has Tom been? i have missed his posts.

Hope he didn't become part of some bear's food chain!

Eeek! :::knocks on wood:::

 

The mountain remains unmoved at seeming defeat

by the mist.

~ Rabindranath Tagore, poet, philosopher, author,

songwriter, painter, educator, composer, Nobel

laureate (1861-1941)

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~> , Christie <

christie0131@g...> wrote:

>

> I live in the city in Scotland and we are really overrun with mice. I

> never had any problem with them in the house though until I had cats

> who bring them indoors and then lose interest. Rodents are one thing

> but having snakes dropped on my feet would finish me off though LOL.

Lest this be too

> far OT, I should add that I always felt quite good when the bears ate

> my food because at least it was fairly healthy for them – the

> processed food they got from other sources had a terrible effect on

> their digestive systems – one particular trail through the woodland

> was commonly known as Skid Row, for obvious reasons.

[Guest guest]

>>> Do you have any good tried and true backpacking veggie meal

> recipes?

>

> Eeek - we are talking 30 years ago. I'm currently off work with post viral

> illness and struggle to remember what I ate yesterday, LOL. I know wasn't

> much of a cook then and ate lots of veggie soups, brown rice and stews,

> fresh fruit and nuts. (Come to think of it, not much has changed there,

> then.)These were the days that if you wanted to eat out as a vegetarian the

> only things you'd be offered were cheese omelette and chips (french fries)

> or cheese salad. I worked in a small town up in NW Quebec for a year and was

> told that I might be able to live as a vegetarian in Britain but that I

> wouldn't survive a Canadian winter unless I ate meat. As I recall I was one

> of the few people who didn't succumb to the flu that winter...

 

When I was travelling through Quebec and Ontario I often found " Last of the

Brown Rice Road Runners " written in chalk by the roadside. I've no idea who

wrote it or why but I always felt I was on track when I saw it and thought

of myself as an honorary brown rice road runner, although I suppose that

would make whoever wrote it the penultimate rather than the last?

Christie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Is that possible to have a vegetarian cat? I thought it was very

important for cats to get some form of meat....or something from it.

I remember Melody was really knowledgeable in that department. Is it

turine that they need?

 

Here we go...

 

Cats - a vegetarian diet?

 

Although it is possible to keep dogs on a vegetarian diet

satisfactorily, cats are more specialised and you are advised to

consider carefully before changing your cat to a vegetarian diet.

 

Cats are natural carnivores and are unlikely to willingly forego meat

from their diet. Cats fed on vegetarian diets are likely to look

elsewhere for their preferred meat diet, and many cats will hunt and

kill small rodents and birds.

 

Cats require certain nutrients from meat that cannot be obtained in

sufficient amounts from plant foods. These include taurine,

arachidonic acid, vitamin A, and vitamin B12.

Taurine

Taurine is an amino acid essential for cats but not for other mammals.

In the prolonged absence of taurine, a cat's retina slowly degenerates

and the cat suffers eye problems and can become irreversibly blind.

This condition is called central retinal degeneration (CRD). Cow's

milk is a poor source of taurine and there is none in plant foods. The

only rich source is meat.

Arachidonic acid

Cats need a dietary source of essential fatty acids which they can

then convert into other essential substances. A dietary source of the

essential fatty acid, arachidonic acid, is not needed by humans as

they can synthesise it from linoleic acid present in vegetable fat.

However, cats lack the necessary enzymes to synthesise arachidonic

acid and so a dietary source is essential. Fatty tissues and milk

contain almost none and only small amounts occur in eggs. Meat is the

only major source. Arachidonic acid deficiency takes some time to

develop but its effect on the cat is profound.

Vitamin A

Cats cannot utilise the provitamin A of vegetables and therefore

require preformed vitamin A (retinol) which occurs only in animal

foods. There are only small quantities of vitamin A in eggs and dairy

produce. The richest source is liver.

Vitamin B12

Cat's cannot synthesise their own vitamin B12 and a dietary source is

necessary. Vitamin B12 is present only in animal products.

Niacin

Unlike other mammals, cats cannot synthesise useful quantities of this

vitamin from protein and therefore require a good dietary supply. Eggs

and dairy produce are very poor sources and the niacin in cereals is

largely unavailable to cats. A diet based on cereals, milk and eggs

will always be deficient in niacin for cats. Meat is a rich source.

Thiamin

Cats are very susceptible to deficiency of this vitamin, which is

rapidly destroyed by heat. Eggs and dairy produce are poor sources,

wholemeal cereals and pulses are fair sources, meat is a good source.

Protein

Cat's require large amounts of protein in their diet and this can be a

problem on a vegetarian diet. Over 25% of a cat's diet should be a

protein.

 

Whilst cats may enjoy certain plant foods, vegetarian diets high in

fibre and polyunsaturated fatty acids may be detrimental to a cat's

health. High fibre foods can fill the cat's digestive system without

providing the necessary nutrients in sufficient concentrations. Excess

polyunsaturated fatty acids in vegetable oils can lead to a vitamin E

deficiency related illness.

 

If you do decide to give your cat a vegetarian diet, then a supplement

is available from:

Katz Go Vegan, The Vegan Society, 7 Battle Road, St.Leonards on Sea,

East Sussex, TN37 7AA

This is a powder which can be added to your cat's meals. If you do not

feel it is appropriate to feed your cat a vegetarian diet, then you

may find it preferable to use concentrated dry cat food rather than

canned. Most major cat food manufacturers now produce concentrated dry

foods which may be less offensive to handle for vegetarian cat owners

as well as conferring health benefits for your cat in comparison with

traditional canned food.

 

Vegetarian cat owners should always be prepared to seek professional

help by contacting either their veterinary officer or an animal

nutritionist through the RSPCA.

Further Information

 

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/catfood.html

 

On 11/9/05, Ezevia wrote:

> We have 5 cats, two ol ladies who go outdoors and used to bring home

> goodies, a live bird we had to catch, a mouse running round the living

> room,

> but now that they are older they seem to have more sense about those

> things.

> But we do have two vegetarian cats

> One in particular who would be happier eating our food than his own,he is

> Fluffy Wuffy and 16 pounds of HUGE cat, the vet says he is not overweight,

> His favorite veggie is asparagus, as a small kitten he ripped one of my

> plate quicker than we could see and sat and ate it like a squirrel would

> eat

> a nut!

> He runs when he smells me cooking asparagus, but sits with us in a chair at

> the dinner table each night and waits for his share.

> Then there is Snowball he is the youngest only one and will eat popcorn and

> anything else you give him, he loves peas too.. he is huge also a funny

> attest to veggie cats isn't it,

> Does anyone else have veggie preference cats?

> the VET thinks I am a nut!

> personally I would rather have them eat their veggies than a mouse!

> Cat Vegan

> Ezevia