Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 I was at my daughter's husband's family over the holidays. They are nearly vegetarian and very health conscious. They gave me a paper on soy/tofu and I read it and was surprised. I found it on the net and read it again. Darold still eats some soy, but mostly tempeh and miso. It is about a down side to soy products (not tempeh or miso) that I had never heard of and its interference with protein useage by the body. Have any of you ever heard of the down side and if you do have time and a take a look at this I would like to hear your opinion of it and if you have other information. These are very nice people and very knowledgeable...she cooked an entire vegan meal for us and it was delicious. http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 We've had the go-around here several times on the soy " dangers " and such. But after reading both sides and thinking for myself, i have concluded it just wise to eat soy in moderation, as with all foods... too much of any one thing can be bad for a person. Balance is the key. So i take this with a grain of salt, but only one grain as too much salt is bad for us, too. *merry wink* ~ pt ~ It is in seeing the actions of vicious and wicked people and comparing them with what my conscience tells me regarding such actions that I have learnt what I ought to avoid and what I ought to do. The wise and prudent man will draw a useful lesson even from poison itself. ~ Lokman ~~~*~~~*~~~> , " linda " <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > I was at my daughter's husband's family over the holidays. They are nearly vegetarian and very health conscious. They gave me a paper on soy/tofu and I read it and was surprised. I found it on the net and read it again. Darold still eats some soy, but mostly tempeh and miso. It is about a down side to soy products (not tempeh or miso) that I had never heard of and its interference with protein useage by the body. Have any of you ever heard of the down side and if you do have time and a take a look at this I would like to hear your opinion of it and if you have other information. These are very nice people and very knowledgeable...she cooked an entire vegan meal for us and it was delicious. > > http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm > > linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Thanks for the input. The go-around about the soy must have been before I joined the group. I had never heard anything bad about it before except for a study done with the male population in Japan that linked frequent tofu usage to Alzheimers. What would you consider moderation? I drink soy in my coffee since I don't do dairy and that is everyday. I eat tofu maybe once or twice a week...however, most of the other products that I use...the faux meats and such also have soy in them so I suppose it adds up. I eat mostly vegetables though and salads (which, yes, I know, are veggies) <grinning> I take everything with a grain of salt. Everything. I need to see this " merry wink " for myself sometime...sounds like santa has come to your house too many times. LOL linda " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - ~ PT ~ We've had the go-around here several times on the soy " dangers " and such. But after reading both sides and thinking for myself, i have concluded it just wise to eat soy in moderation, as with all foods... too much of any one thing can be bad for a person. Balance is the key. So i take this with a grain of salt, but only one grain as too much salt is bad for us, too. *merry wink* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi Linda: I am confused as Tempeh and Miso are also soy products. I have heard that people with Thyroid problems should not eat a lot of soy. Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Yeah, the go-around was a while back. You can search the archived posts for it by using a key-word search feature in the messages section here on the list if you want to delve into it. You asked " What would you consider moderation? " i guess not eating it every meal, or even every day. As a lacto-ovo vegetarian i don't find that too difficult, but perhaps for a vegan it is near impossible depending upon your tastes. It is pervasive in pre-packaged meat analogs and vegetarian convenience foods, and you are right, it does add up. i didn't learn the art of the merry wink from Santa, but i did learn it by watching a fat man once. *lol* ~ pt ~ When anger rises, think of the consequences. ~ Confucius (551-479 BC) ~~~*~~~*~~~> , " linda " <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > Thanks for the input. The go-around about the soy must have been before I joined the group. I had never heard anything bad about it before except for a study done with the male population in Japan that linked frequent tofu usage to Alzheimers. What would you consider moderation? I drink soy in my coffee since I don't do dairy and that is everyday. I eat tofu maybe once or twice a week...however, most of the other products that I use...the faux meats and such also have soy in them so I suppose it adds up. I eat mostly vegetables though and salads (which, yes, I know, are veggies) <grinning> I take everything with a grain of salt. Everything. I need to see this " merry wink " for myself sometime...sounds like santa has come to your house too many times. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 > I have heard that people with Thyroid problems should not eat a lot > of soy. I hear this often too, but from what I've read (and I'm definitely no expert), it looks like what they should aim for is more of a consistent intake - so the medications they may be on work well. As far as I can tell, they need to be adjusted to compensate, and if you vary widely, you may end up with varying levels in your system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Sorry it took me so long to answer your question. The article is at http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm The short answer to your question lies in the fact of how tempeh and miso are processed. See below. I have absolutely no idea of how valid this article is at all and that is why I was asking the question to see if anyone else had input. " Analysis shows that calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc are present in the plant foods eaten in these areas, but the high phytate content of soy and rice based diets prevents their absorption. The soybean has a higher phytate content than any other grain or legume that has been studied. Furthermore, it seems to be highly resistant to many phytate reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking. Only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans. Thus fermented products such as tempeh and miso provide nourishment that is easily assimilated, but the nutritional value of tofu and bean curd, both high in phytates, is questionable. " linda " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - glpveg4life Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:50 PM Re: Article on Soy Hi Linda: I am confused as Tempeh and Miso are also soy products. I have heard that people with Thyroid problems should not eat a lot of soy. Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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