Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 i am not an expert. Sorry. However, this is a very good question and one that has been hashed out several times on this list. Seems to pop up every month or so, so i am thinking there is quite a bit of information to be found on the web both for and against the use of soy. i think there is some validity to negative side effects of eating too much soy, and also there are some medical conditions people have in which they should avoid all soy... but i think as an average person in good health we can feel safe eating moderate amounts of soy. Moderation is the key. But please do your own reading and decide for yourself. Hopefully someone who is an expert on this subject will chime in and give you some links to studies and information you are seeking so you can make an informed choice. Do check through our group message archives since some of those sites previously shared might be of interest to you. A final note: When reading any published articles either for or against soy, it is best to know who paid for the research and what might be their motivation. For example, the dairy industry would be very interested in making us afraid to switch to drinking soy milk, don't you think? ~ pt ~ People change and forget to tell each other. ~ Lillian Hellman, playwright (1905-1984) ~~~*~~~*~~~> , " Daniel " <maxmakers> wrote: > > I've been doing a bunch of research ever since I heard someone say > that soy is actually bad for you, and now I really don't know what to > think. > > Are there any experts out there that can help me understand this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 > i am not an expert. Sorry. > However, this is a very good question and one that > has been hashed out several times on this list. > Seems to pop up every month or so, so i am thinking > there is quite a bit of information to be found on the > web both for and against the use of soy. Yes, I'd have to say that there are equal amounts of both, which doesn't help me very much... > i think there is some validity to negative side effects > of eating too much soy, and also there are some medical > conditions people have in which they should avoid all > soy... but i think as an average person in good health we > can feel safe eating moderate amounts of soy. Moderation > is the key. I understand that, but I'm wondering what moderation is in this case. If you drink soy milk everyday, and have tofu frequently for lunch, in your snacks, in your smoothies, and sometimes for dinner, is that a lot? Don't vegetarians (and especially vegans) eat quite a bit of soy? > But please do your own reading and decide for yourself. > Hopefully someone who is an expert on this subject will > chime in and give you some links to studies and information > you are seeking so you can make an informed choice. > Do check through our group message archives since > some of those sites previously shared might be of interest > to you. > I will, thanks. > A final note: When reading any published articles either for > or against soy, it is best to know who paid for the research > and what might be their motivation. For example, the dairy > industry would be very interested in making us afraid to > switch to drinking soy milk, don't you think? Very good point. It's hard to decide what to believe about anything in this world, because there are so many alterior motives. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. -Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hi Daniel. You asked, " If you drink soy milk everyday, and have tofu frequently for lunch, in your snacks, in your smoothies, and sometimes for dinner, is that a lot? " ~Well, in my opinion that is a lot.... but i am just speaking for myself, and not an expert. " Don't vegetarians (and especially vegans) eat quite a bit of soy? " ~ i don't eat soy with every meal, and i don't drink soy milk every day. If you are noticing some of the negative side effects that you have read could happen from consuming too much soy, you should probably cut back. Drink some other type of non-dairy milk alternative, like rice milk or one of the nut milks; i love almond milk. " It's hard to decide what to believe about anything in this world, because there are so many alterior motives. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. " ~ You are more than welcome. i just wish i were an expert and could be of more help. You sure are right about it being difficult to decipher the mass of information out there. i guess all we can do for now is research and then research the research to find out who's money is behind it and who has the most to gain, etc... and then go with our own intuition. Of course if you are feeling ill effects from consuming soy products you should go to a doctor and make changes in your diet. There are so many delicious veggies and alternatives to eating soy; it isn't the only protein source for us vegetarians.... so there is hope! ~ pt ~ Even when all the experts agree, they may well be mistaken. ~ Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) ~~~*~~~*~~~> , " Daniel " <maxmakers> wrote: > Yes, I'd have to say that there are equal amounts of both, which > doesn't help me very much... > I understand that, but I'm wondering what moderation is in this case. > If you drink soy milk everyday, and have tofu frequently for lunch, in > your snacks, in your smoothies, and sometimes for dinner, is that a > lot? Don't vegetarians (and especially vegans) eat quite a bit of soy? > Very good point. It's hard to decide what to believe about anything in > this world, because there are so many alterior motives. > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. > > -Daniel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 everything in moderation. The problem with soy, IMHO, is the same as the problem with everything else commercially available today - it's messed with. not only that,m but soy is used as a filler or oil in everything from popcorn to crackers to *gasp* precooked/seasoned ham. Some who gags at the thought of tofu isn't a label reader, they have no idea how much soy they are ingesting. Yes, it contains plant estrogens and is relatively high on the list of possible allergens, but that doesn't make it bad if you eat it in moderation. Also, we eat too much. The typical Japanese serving of tofu is 2 or 3 cubes in a broth-based soup, or a tablespoon of miso going into a broth-based soup. The typical American serving of tofu is 1/2 of a block used in place of meat or an entire bowl of miso-based soup, with tofu cubes thrown in on top of that. Meg Meg On 1/21/06, Daniel <maxmakers wrote: > > I've been doing a bunch of research ever since I heard someone say > that soy is actually bad for you, and now I really don't know what to > think. > > Are there any experts out there that can help me understand this? > > Thanks, > Daniel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 There are so many options for dairy substitutes that don't involve soy. You can buy veggie cheese, rice milk, almond milk, etc. We don't eat a lot of soy in my family. I do buy soy milk for the younger two when my budget is low for the week and buying rice milk is a stretch (the younger two can't have dairy or goat's milk for health reasons). We dont eat soy meat subs on a regualr basis in my family. I can't tell you the last time I bought fake meat, and we opt for veggie burgers over soy when we get those, but mostly I make my own. I buy maybe 1 cube of tofu a month and I split it into two meals for the 6 of us. We opt for things like hummus, beans, veggie " cheese " , real vegetables, etc. If I want a sandwich I reach for cucumber and tomato slices, not something made from soy that is supposed to taste like ham. That's just us though, ymmv. meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Vegan cheese, but not veggie cheese. Veggie cheese has milk protein in it. And some people (like myself) are violently allergic to almonds. Doesn't leave much options other than vegan cheese and rice milk. On 1/23/06, Meg <itszen4me wrote: > > There are so many options for dairy substitutes that don't involve soy. > You > can buy veggie cheese, rice milk, almond milk, etc. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 that's what I mean, i keep forgetting there is actually a brand named veggie cheese, my bad! You can buy rice milk cheese at health food stores here, but we dislike it so much we end up not buying it often. meg On 1/23/06, Kyrene Ariadne (Andrea) <kyrene wrote: > Vegan cheese, but not veggie cheese. Veggie cheese has milk protein in it. > And some people (like myself) are violently allergic to almonds. Doesn't > leave much options other than vegan cheese and rice milk. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 The rice cheeses I've found also have dairy in them. Sadly, it's hard to find vegan cheese. On 1/23/06, Meg <itszen4me wrote: > > that's what I mean, i keep forgetting there is actually a brand named > veggie cheese, my bad! You can buy rice milk cheese at health food > stores here, but we dislike it so much we end up not buying it often. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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